Some great feedback from the comments on this one. For the next one in this format I'll throw my camera on screen so you can tell when I'm talking or when it's a live-reaction. Thanks for watching and good luck out there on the ladder. Luckily people buying maphacks are rare these days and do tend to get banned if enough people report them. Thanks for watching
I do not think that is true about all accounts... apparently "computer" name account on NA server has been dropping games for over two years straight and still seems to be higher MMR and not banned for the duration of that time...
@@markpayton3895 Sure Pig did :) As he said at the end, and on many more videos of the like, we are required to report "en masse" in order for one cheater to get banned from matches. Also, Winter showed live at least two times how to report. If I were an actual SC player, I would download the replay, analyse it again, (and report in this case). It's a chance you have the process included in the game instead of having to register on an external official forum or even worse, send mail or complain social network. I believe that's among top reasons why SC is still not dead, people actually have the opportunity to play fair.
@@markpayton3895 I reported "computer" for cheating for over a year and just gave up... There are over 50-75 reports from me alone. I give that account credit for sending me back down to Bronze League after being paired up with him 25 or more times to lose 2 on 1 odds in double matches.
i fail to see how the guy cheated. In fact i would have a bigger marrine army then him by 4mins even after losing this many scv because mule power. That said i only watch up to 7 minutes. Those 2 hidden barracks are standard when bunker rushing. Its called doing a proxy, was a very popular strategy durring heart of the swarm days.
“Dear Harstem. Protoss is so unimaginably imbalanced that they beat me even with vision of the entire map, because of how perfect my scouting was. I don’t know what exactly about protoss is imba, but im certain that it is. So Harstem, is it imba or do i suck?”
Definitely was very damning the way he did it. I do sometimes click on fog of war areas to see terrain, and find overlord spots. So if you see someone do this, look at the details to try to ferret out if it's map hack or just a monkey trying to remember some detail about the map.
I was not convinced at all until that sus af marine movement for the oracles. Most of what happened seemed reasonable for a GM game, but the weird marine split, and then them walking to the correct cut off point instead of camping near minerals or guarding edges of base. Edit: Later it got worse. My god.
I think this shows quite the opposite. This is a rather simple hack and it gets you a rank so much higher that you would have. In many other games you would need much more complicated and harder to use hacks to hope getting any advantage. This simple vision hack gets you so much higher rank, which is the objective of the hack. So not useless. Of course it doesn't get you skill, no hack does anyway.
These guys are soooo bad and they still got to higher ranks. Nevertheless, their awful play is noticable to every person they encounter in game and they still achieve nothing but contempt from others. Why would they do this?
@@maxime4086 an aimbot on csgo for example can easily make a silver player global elite, that's probably where the comparison comes from. A bronze player in sc couldn't ever be gm with map hacks
I played this player a few days ago and he dodged my prism with his banshee then goes to where it is when it’s half way on the map without vision of it. He also went directly to my proxy pylon without scouting anywhere else
So, here's my own concept for justice for these guys: Create an opt in "maphacker busting" program, where if a maphacker is queued at the same time as you, but is much lower MMR you get a prompt: "Bust a maphacker?", and then someone who's significantly higher MMR gets to smack them around. Do this instead of banning them, don't tell them they're in the program.
The first time I ran into a map hacker was in WoL on that 4-player map Metalopolis. I was only in gold league at the time and when I posted the replay in the official forums to report them, most just wrote it off with "lol why would someone map hack in gold league", which was really frustrating. But you watch the replay and it was very obvious, as watching it from his point of view he was constantly looking at my base. The most egregious was when I built a nydus worm in that small area at the back of the bases that was surrounded in those fumes. He didn't have any vision of that area, but he somehow knew immediately the moment it started building (this wasn't after you hear the nydus worm scream after it pops out, this was as soon as started to build). He then proceeded to attack my base with his entire army, which he somehow knew the position of without ever scouting even once (remember it was a 4 player spawn map). It was soooo obvious when you watched it. "Why would someone map hack in gold league" is a good question, but I guess map hackers need to start in the lower leagues and work their way up like everyone else does.
haha yeah the first people to respond on forums usually aren't the ones that finish reading the post or taking the time to watch the replay. Luckily cheaters are a minority eespecially these days
i think it look more like gold than plat to be honest, plat will have better understanding of the game it self. from what i see in rank roulette what do's the rest of comments think about that ? gold / plat what do u think ?
The issue is that the maphacking gives them a slight edge in their one track mind when they're going to engage. You can clearly see that they only do all-in hoping to get their opponents in the first time. If they fail, they rarely have a back up plan. Another thing is that this hacker is horribly bad that I think it's easier to see them as gold considering that they crack so fast when they get run by or dropped on. So, limited strats. Very poor map awareness. Very bad micro/macro. Worse than your average gold tbh. At least some gold or plat try to be on the map at times. Without the maphack, they'll likely stay gold (if on EU) or plat on any other servers.
I think map hackers who have been identified should permanently have all wins give double MMR, and lose no MMR for loses, so they are forced against higher and higher opponents until they can't win any games and just quit playing, on that account as least.
This was very fun to watch! worth watching a couple of times! Personally i think it is pretty obvious what is commentary and what is live. "..the cherry on top of the absolutely brain damaged cake .." -legend :)
I know I have played a couple of these dudes in 2v2. Two tanks on the high ground going straight to BC's jumping into their base usually takes them out np...
I played him too yesterday, usually I have the same mindset where I rarely accuse someone of hacking etc but this guy is so blatantly obvious and bad it's funny. Cheers for the 35 mmr!
It's a mentality thing. It's very easy to argue "the opponent won because he cheated", instead of "the opponent because I made mistakes". Defaulting to searching the issue in your decisions helps you improve, where simply blaming the opponent does not.
haha there's so much hidden information in the fog there's so many explanations that I want to check before considering cheating - definitely was SLOW to the realisation on this one though
Well, if you fall into the trap of assuming hacks too quickly then you become content for the salt mines playlist. Really good players have drilled into themselves a strong cognitive bias to assume good faith and owning responsibility for their own losses. That's a crucial element of improving--not just in Starcraft but in everything. You can't control the world, but you can control yourself, so what's the point of blaming the world?
@@CC-bu2gv it doesnt change that the mentioned mindset means that you dont suspect people of cheating and default to “i just suck and need to get better”, which is usually a good mindset but means you wont suspect actual cheaters of cheating.
This gives me some ideas for sight abuse. That terran could have hide a bunch of Marines behind the natural's mineral line after pig went to the high ground. Would make for a nice surround.
Love the new series, sorry somehow YT algorithm is not recommend your new vids to me and I just happend to wonder, " I wonder how does PiG does" and found this gem :D Screw you YT don't hide PiG videos from me!! and what are the chances running into the same monkey!!!
I've been coming across maphackers more and more often lately. And even when they are reported I run into them again days later. I guess Blizz just doesn't give a fuck anymore.
Blizzard has essentially stopped supporting SC2, they announced no more development. There are still the Team Liquid map contests and tournaments and similar, however official Blizzard instigated and supported content will be very few and far between.
Wait, I thought maphacking wasn't a thing in SC2. I get that in SC 1/Warcraft 3 you could maphack because each client had data on all the players but I'd assume in SC2 the server doesn't serve that information. So basically the client only gets info about units outside of fog.
I think each PC has to run an entire simulation of the entire game from a small amount of data sent between, and then they share/update each other on what's going on. It makes it incredibly light on bandwidth usage and works great with the client but does have weaknesses. Luckily there's only a few paid maphacks and very few people use them
Can you host an event match between gm and lower leaguer like diamond/master, but give the latter a maphack mod advantage? In honor of this toxic barcode trash I mean
I'm bad at the game so I wasn't too sure about the maphack from like, a game knowledge standpoint, it was obvious they were a terrible player and had no business being here so maphack made sense logically, but like, I couldn't really tell why some of those moves were suspicious because when I see good player play whatever they do seems like dark magic to me anyway lol That is until they hunted down those observers on game 2... like come on, even to me that's obvious.
@@kozatas I know that, I know you can "see" them, but it was clearly not done in a realistic manner, they add no vision on the observer (specifically the second one) and scanned to catch it before sending the marines. When pro catch an observer typically they're passing through and notice it and scan, they don't just home in on it.
@@kozatas True, but not observers in the fog of war he conveniently surrounds and then charges, dispelling the fog of war and scanning all in one fell swoop XD.
On the first game, I thought he was cheating with more resources, since I thought I saw too many marines. But I thought the marines that were in his base and that were outside of his base chasing the oracles were different ones, since it is impossible without maphacks to move the marines to intercept both of them.
Those kinds of hacks are just not possible Maphacks simply make the game display info that it is receiving while bypassing the requirements to see it So while normally you'd need to have vision on a tile to show you the unit in there, maphacks make the game show you the unit regardless. The server doesn't control what is shown on your screen, so it's easy to do Mineral count is controlled by the server, so even if you where to send "i got extra minerals" the game would straight up ignore it because it isn't even programmed to listen to the client about mineral count. There's a good chance the game would just crash for having desynched mineral counts
@@rompevuevitos222 you seem knowledgeable. What about production hacks? Where it automatically produces workers and marines out of production facilities?
@@ToTheNines87368 seems doable, altho it would be more of a macro since starting unit production is not just client sided You could bind your unit production structures to a control group and have the macro make them But it would be pretty worthless First off it takes almost no time to do it yourself, secondly unit production is not something you can do on auto pilot, it is something you have to think about, so this would be worse than doing it yourself
he'd be able to see it coming a mile away and pull SCVs to block it. My cannon rush is pretty bad too so would be hard to smoothly transition out of that one
Yup! Can’t stand this guy lol. Lost to him the other day. I was like man, you played good! But I think you’re hacking mate! He’s like nah! But you see the game and he doesn’t even try to hide it lol.
Thanks for allowing me to enjoy starcraft from afar. I tried playing recently after watching your videos, but it was all angry people spamming offensive slurs in every single game I played. Decided to uninstall and just enjoy through your channel
Sounds like you had some bad luck there mate. Once you hit gold league and onwards it's generally pretty chill but there are definitely some angry nerds trying to spread their bad mood around out there. You can block communication in game if you ever feel like giving it another spin it's definitely worth it
What is good that if this is the fav game for a hacker, once they stop hacking, they are going to know how behind they are once they have to adapt to play correctly... Which are wasted real life time... The problem is that most are probably people selling accounts and they don't care about developing...
How did you know it was the same guy? Was he the only barcode Terran you faced on the ladder or was there some other info? I only watch Starcraft so I wasn’t sure if there was some info on the loading screen or something.
in masters+ you see the enemies MMR on the load screen, so when you see same race, same MMR you know it's probably them. And I checked match history on their profile after to confirm it was them vs me in the previous map
It's not the first time a maphacker was confirmed, but he did say that it's not that easy to get your hand on one of them. Apparently you need to commision one from a hacker which is a lot of effort for someone to invest in a game he is not even good at.
Not to mention maphacking in Sc2 does exactly this to people; having full vision makes you an extremely shitty player. To the point that even just having the hacks are an active detriment.
@@TheMuffinman191 Only bad hackers get caught. The successful hackers don't make it blatant that they are using hacks (i.e. they could just have a hack to look at the production tab and not map hacking or if they map hack, they don't make it obvious).
@@markpayton3895 Would still make you worse than your average masters player. You're giving up attention to those things to have perfect scouting basically. While a good advantage, it can bite you in the ass cause you're looking at a production tab and not the drop flying into your main, or the fact you havent built workers in 20 seconds. Starcraft is complicated game, you can't really cheat so hard its an autowin unless you give yourself infinite money.
Sadly, there's a very blurred line for waay too many. The fact there has been endless cheat codes for single player games for years doesn't help these mindsets. What's astonishing is the shockingly poor programming to combat even the most basic of cheating - and 'maphacking' is one such example. It's almost as if the devs allow this because they think it's another revenue source.
Disregarding cheating at tournament level, it's a video game, but they are IRL playing that game against others even if it's mostly for fake internet points and a mood boost. Still, that's technically all reward for effectively no risk which is a trade anyone would take. So the only notable "IRL" difference is that cheaters don't care about people they don't know (because cheating people they do know introduces risk)... which still doesn't say much about their day to day lives.
@@fluffyfang4213 I think if there was an opportunity that presented itself and, they don't think they can get caught, they would take that opportunity. Like theft or something, you have something they want and they just wait for you to turn your back to take it. I've had "friends" like that before.
@@ChrisM541 how do you suggest they should combat maphacking exactly? Do you even know how multiplayer works? What exactly makes you think that one of the best game engines is "shockingly poor programming"?
Actually I am not sure it's maphacking, just a rush enthusiast who is used to win or lose only with a rush. I did the same some years ago for a period and I got easily to Master with Terran, my offrace. So I think someone fully committed and just better (than me at least) can reach GM with that.
Yes, you can cheese your way to high leagues, but the looking through the fog of war and troop movement makes it pretty obvious this isn't just a one dimensional rush player.
Sc2 matchmaking and mmr is very good; the game will figure out how good you are. If you maphack, you will just play against better opponents, artificially boosted mmr. I dont think it would even be particularly fun to play against people better than me in every way but less map vision. Thats the end result of turning on maphack. Your opponents will out micro you like gods among an insect ect. You will win fights and games still, but only when your units and position is much better because of your vision. Your units will feel weak and underpowered because your opponents you face now are much better than you. Want your units to feel like heroes? Turning on maphack will make it feel like the opposite after you start to face tougher opponents.
There has been a massive influx of lag/ping hackers lately on the NA server. I've had probably 10 games in the last month where right before I win I suddenly drop out of the game with no replay of the game. But hmmmm I never drop from games like ever, and it's never when I'm about to gg out with a loss. Help us combat this cancer in sc2 PiG
The longer he hacks, the more his MMR stabilizes at a level where he loses half of his games anyway, just like everybody else. So all he acheived is to make the game less interesting.
We all played sometime 2 gold vs 1 master, etc. It's like that. The maphacker is above his actual league. He has information, you have macro and micro advantages. No need to get crazy. It's just another type of game. Playing handicapped vs a lower MMR. Like a gold with extra income vs a master.
@@kozatasthe problem is that the game isn't supposed to be played this way, if there's a fog of war, it's for a good reason, what this man is doing is called cheating lol.
Only other advantages I've seen used is a micro bot. It's usually pretty obvious though when they're used as you see each marine microed independently and 10000 APM. I'd say maphacking was his only hack given that pig's forward and back movements stopped him from macroing, and slowed his build.
Map hacking may be a little annoying, but remember that the player's MMR already factors in this advatage. So if you are evenly matched that means all their other fundamentals will be worse than you.
Dude, the moment I see someone named IIIIIlllllIIIIlI. I'd be very sus from the start. Had experience going against these players in different games and I guess they named themselves like that thinking that they wont get banned cause its hard to type their name or something lmao
Barcode names are there to make it harder to remember their playstyles. Very easier to remember that the person named xX_Nerd Destroyer_Xx cannon rushed, but if your versing a barcode - you cant be certain its the same player. This is more important in higher leagues than lower because of the lower player count so its much easier to remember certain players and their styles.
That's the whole point behind Detective Pig. He was dissecting the thought process (or lack thereof) of the Hacker. Clearly demonstrating his map knowledge trumped his actual skill in the game.
I usually stream monday, tuesday, thursday, friday and saturday 2pm-7pm pacific US, 5pm-10pm East coast US, 11pm-4am Central european time. Might be starting an hour or two earlier when daylights savings switches in a month or so
I really don't get how people who play that badly get matched against 5k+ mmr players. I mean sure, they have maphacks... But so what ? They can't even react to what they are seeing, and just throw away their units.
Why don't the map hackers at least scan? That way they could get a full picture of the base and not seem like they're looking through fog even though they'd be able to see everything. Absolute trash, I hope he got banned
I've seen players scrubbing out about dumb stuff saying things are broken when they just don't understand how it works. But there is nothing more pathetic than a person who cheats in an online PvP game. Except for the person who scrubs out when they lose a game they cheated in...
We all played sometime 2 gold vs 1 master, etc. It's like that. The maphacker is above his actual league. He has information, you have macro and micro advantages. No need to get crazy. It's just another type of game. Playing handicapped vs a lower MMR. Like a gold with extra income vs a master.
@@kozatas do you know what a consent is? Do you even realize there are other living people around you? "it's okay to punch in a face random strangers on streets, it's just another kind of boxing!" "it's okay to cheat on your wife, it's just another type of wife!" Not only your mindset is absurd, I think it might be a sign of psychopathy
Thank you for the video! PiG, I do not see how the fact that this is a map hacker contradicts your statement about "He is just playing Baboon StarCraft".
Love your casts! Not maphack Q, but gear Q: how you getting 0 deg GPU? I shovel ice in my box but have to keep wirebrushing all my parts contacts. In Japan local EDION shop has some cooling box units- I wonder tho, did you do vid on gear? Maybe I can't afford it yet, but WANT IT so bad .。o○ I can dream. Tellmenow '(｀Δ´)' plz
Yeah you can 100% get GM with proxy 3-rax marine SCV rushes haha - it's a strong strat especially when few other players are doing it so people aren't scouting properly
They chose that name - it's a "barcode" where the player just does a random jumble of 1s, i's and lower case L's to form an indistinguishable mass. Would be nice if it wasn't such an easy way to stay anonymous
Some great feedback from the comments on this one. For the next one in this format I'll throw my camera on screen so you can tell when I'm talking or when it's a live-reaction. Thanks for watching and good luck out there on the ladder. Luckily people buying maphacks are rare these days and do tend to get banned if enough people report them.
Thanks for watching
I do not think that is true about all accounts... apparently "computer" name account on NA server has been dropping games for over two years straight and still seems to be higher MMR and not banned for the duration of that time...
Did you end up reporting the hacker?
@@markpayton3895 Sure Pig did :) As he said at the end, and on many more videos of the like, we are required to report "en masse" in order for one cheater to get banned from matches. Also, Winter showed live at least two times how to report. If I were an actual SC player, I would download the replay, analyse it again, (and report in this case). It's a chance you have the process included in the game instead of having to register on an external official forum or even worse, send mail or complain social network. I believe that's among top reasons why SC is still not dead, people actually have the opportunity to play fair.
@@markpayton3895 I reported "computer" for cheating for over a year and just gave up... There are over 50-75 reports from me alone. I give that account credit for sending me back down to Bronze League after being paired up with him 25 or more times to lose 2 on 1 odds in double matches.
i fail to see how the guy cheated. In fact i would have a bigger marrine army then him by 4mins even after losing this many scv because mule power. That said i only watch up to 7 minutes. Those 2 hidden barracks are standard when bunker rushing. Its called doing a proxy, was a very popular strategy durring heart of the swarm days.
Maphacker be like: "Dear Harstem. "Protoss is way too imba..."
“Dear Harstem. Protoss is so unimaginably imbalanced that they beat me even with vision of the entire map, because of how perfect my scouting was. I don’t know what exactly about protoss is imba, but im certain that it is. So Harstem, is it imba or do i suck?”
@@ZerglingLover ps. Every protoss unit is imba and have no counter noob hack race
Maphackers be like: "I am the ladder now."
For sure dahmer would have played protoss
i love how IODIS has become so big in the SC community that you can see in pretty much every video there is a reference to it.
Pig respecting his opponents' intelligence so much that the fundamentals shine through anyways against hackers haha
The most damning part for me was the opponent looking into the fog of war across the map, repeatedly.
oh no, hes just making sure the terrain didn't change.. /s
Definitely was very damning the way he did it. I do sometimes click on fog of war areas to see terrain, and find overlord spots. So if you see someone do this, look at the details to try to ferret out if it's map hack or just a monkey trying to remember some detail about the map.
When I scroll around like a monkey though, I think it's pretty clear if someone watched that it's not haphack though lol.
I was not convinced at all until that sus af marine movement for the oracles. Most of what happened seemed reasonable for a GM game, but the weird marine split, and then them walking to the correct cut off point instead of camping near minerals or guarding edges of base.
Edit: Later it got worse. My god.
The first oracle into the main was sus but not outside the realms of a lucky read, but out on the map was when I had no doubt of cheating.
haha yeah it escalates!
Maphack Detective is my favorite series now
Something about watching this is just inspiring. Truly hacks and cheats are useless without fundamentals in this game.
I wouldn't go that far. That dude would never have gotten close to the rank he holds without his cheats.
@@billybegood466 a redundant statement
I think this shows quite the opposite.
This is a rather simple hack and it gets you a rank so much higher that you would have. In many other games you would need much more complicated and harder to use hacks to hope getting any advantage.
This simple vision hack gets you so much higher rank, which is the objective of the hack. So not useless. Of course it doesn't get you skill, no hack does anyway.
These guys are soooo bad and they still got to higher ranks. Nevertheless, their awful play is noticable to every person they encounter in game and they still achieve nothing but contempt from others. Why would they do this?
@@maxime4086 an aimbot on csgo for example can easily make a silver player global elite, that's probably where the comparison comes from. A bronze player in sc couldn't ever be gm with map hacks
I played this player a few days ago and he dodged my prism with his banshee then goes to where it is when it’s half way on the map without vision of it. He also went directly to my proxy pylon without scouting anywhere else
Report him? Blizzard ban him?
You streamed this on the toptierpractice discord right?
That's tough. Once you know they're cheating it's not so hard, but until then it just feels like they keep rolling nat 20's
I feel like if I was a maphacker this is about as good as I would be able to do.
only one way to find out!
lorax you would be unstoppable
"I wonder what is going through this player's head"
Puberty
Dude is great at the game, smart, and humble. You're a better man than me for not roasting the guy in game
Well, he didn't know he was a hacker...
Also he kinda did... he spent the whole video talking about how incompetent and bad he was.
So, here's my own concept for justice for these guys: Create an opt in "maphacker busting" program, where if a maphacker is queued at the same time as you, but is much lower MMR you get a prompt: "Bust a maphacker?", and then someone who's significantly higher MMR gets to smack them around. Do this instead of banning them, don't tell them they're in the program.
Or make them play each other and watch them accuse each other of hacking
@@Laezar1 LOL that would be golden
@@Laezar1 probably happened but neither of the cheating lowlifes would submit their replay to be cast sadly
@@mihalypeti not true, for some reason a lot of players take pride in hacking because its supposedly fun
@@Laezar1 Iirc, COD made this...
that first game was so well played by you PiG. amazing to show up a cheater like that, respect
Send it to Winter. He has Special Hacking Investigation Team.
Pig drinking water and talking at the same time in the start threw me off...
i was like...Damn i need to learn that skill
lol. yeah all progamers can do this.
The first time I ran into a map hacker was in WoL on that 4-player map Metalopolis. I was only in gold league at the time and when I posted the replay in the official forums to report them, most just wrote it off with "lol why would someone map hack in gold league", which was really frustrating. But you watch the replay and it was very obvious, as watching it from his point of view he was constantly looking at my base. The most egregious was when I built a nydus worm in that small area at the back of the bases that was surrounded in those fumes. He didn't have any vision of that area, but he somehow knew immediately the moment it started building (this wasn't after you hear the nydus worm scream after it pops out, this was as soon as started to build). He then proceeded to attack my base with his entire army, which he somehow knew the position of without ever scouting even once (remember it was a 4 player spawn map). It was soooo obvious when you watched it. "Why would someone map hack in gold league" is a good question, but I guess map hackers need to start in the lower leagues and work their way up like everyone else does.
haha yeah the first people to respond on forums usually aren't the ones that finish reading the post or taking the time to watch the replay. Luckily cheaters are a minority eespecially these days
Imagine the guy watching your video: "- Oh s**t, that's me" 😂
This video taught me the value of information gathering/scouting that a gold/plat player can reach 5,300.. changed my entire mindset of this game
i think it look more like gold than plat to be honest, plat will have better understanding of the game it self.
from what i see in rank roulette
what do's the rest of comments think about that ? gold / plat what do u think ?
The issue is that the maphacking gives them a slight edge in their one track mind when they're going to engage. You can clearly see that they only do all-in hoping to get their opponents in the first time. If they fail, they rarely have a back up plan. Another thing is that this hacker is horribly bad that I think it's easier to see them as gold considering that they crack so fast when they get run by or dropped on.
So, limited strats.
Very poor map awareness.
Very bad micro/macro.
Worse than your average gold tbh. At least some gold or plat try to be on the map at times. Without the maphack, they'll likely stay gold (if on EU) or plat on any other servers.
"The cherry on top of the brain damaged cake" - pig 2022 🤣🤣🤣
Was a good one
I love how you ironed out this dude's brain with heat and pressure.
10/10 way to make a maphacker's brain even smoother!
I think map hackers who have been identified should permanently have all wins give double MMR, and lose no MMR for loses, so they are forced against higher and higher opponents until they can't win any games and just quit playing, on that account as least.
Or just permaban them?
20:20 Wait?? There is more then one game. Damn that's awesome
6:56 I would say all was good, until those perfect marines intercepting oracles, very suspicious.
This was very fun to watch! worth watching a couple of times!
Personally i think it is pretty obvious what is commentary and what is live.
"..the cherry on top of the absolutely brain damaged cake .." -legend :)
haha cheers Ian
I didn't know Hans Niemann played SC2.
I know I have played a couple of these dudes in 2v2. Two tanks on the high ground going straight to BC's jumping into their base usually takes them out np...
Oh yeah, battleship teleport is basically immune to maphack. Smart.
I played him too yesterday, usually I have the same mindset where I rarely accuse someone of hacking etc but this guy is so blatantly obvious and bad it's funny. Cheers for the 35 mmr!
Unsure if Pig is too wholesome or too logical to assume opponent is cheating.
It's a mentality thing. It's very easy to argue "the opponent won because he cheated", instead of "the opponent because I made mistakes". Defaulting to searching the issue in your decisions helps you improve, where simply blaming the opponent does not.
haha there's so much hidden information in the fog there's so many explanations that I want to check before considering cheating - definitely was SLOW to the realisation on this one though
Well, if you fall into the trap of assuming hacks too quickly then you become content for the salt mines playlist. Really good players have drilled into themselves a strong cognitive bias to assume good faith and owning responsibility for their own losses. That's a crucial element of improving--not just in Starcraft but in everything. You can't control the world, but you can control yourself, so what's the point of blaming the world?
@@Thund3rstorm but the opponent lost... twice.
@@CC-bu2gv it doesnt change that the mentioned mindset means that you dont suspect people of cheating and default to “i just suck and need to get better”, which is usually a good mindset but means you wont suspect actual cheaters of cheating.
The sc2 community is pretty small but the player pool above 5k is even smaller. You know this dude will see this.
We can only hope he sees it and decides to try to get better and stop maphacking.
you are really good at the game man, well played
This gives me some ideas for sight abuse. That terran could have hide a bunch of Marines behind the natural's mineral line after pig went to the high ground. Would make for a nice surround.
you need brains for that
Jared u Class-E legend. I consider it an honor to grant you a tiny Patreon stipend every month.
Love the new series, sorry somehow YT algorithm is not recommend your new vids to me and I just happend to wonder, " I wonder how does PiG does" and found this gem :D Screw you YT don't hide PiG videos from me!!
and what are the chances running into the same monkey!!!
Thanks for making this episode PiG. I'd like to think my video I sent you a couple days ago helped inspire this. You made my day! :8)
- Reanimated
Funny how opponent gives "gg" like it was a fair and honest game and probably Insta cues chasing that dragon of a GM win with diamond skill.
I've been coming across maphackers more and more often lately. And even when they are reported I run into them again days later. I guess Blizz just doesn't give a fuck anymore.
Blizzard has essentially stopped supporting SC2, they announced no more development. There are still the Team Liquid map contests and tournaments and similar, however official Blizzard instigated and supported content will be very few and far between.
When you so good at a game - that you have strats to defeat opponents who are cheating to win lawls
thanks for the video PiG
Wait, I thought maphacking wasn't a thing in SC2. I get that in SC 1/Warcraft 3 you could maphack because each client had data on all the players but I'd assume in SC2 the server doesn't serve that information. So basically the client only gets info about units outside of fog.
I think each PC has to run an entire simulation of the entire game from a small amount of data sent between, and then they share/update each other on what's going on. It makes it incredibly light on bandwidth usage and works great with the client but does have weaknesses. Luckily there's only a few paid maphacks and very few people use them
Can you host an event match between gm and lower leaguer like diamond/master, but give the latter a maphack mod advantage? In honor of this toxic barcode trash I mean
EPIC suggestion! Stay tuned for this :)
@PiG omg ♥️♥️♥️
I'm bad at the game so I wasn't too sure about the maphack from like, a game knowledge standpoint, it was obvious they were a terrible player and had no business being here so maphack made sense logically, but like, I couldn't really tell why some of those moves were suspicious because when I see good player play whatever they do seems like dark magic to me anyway lol
That is until they hunted down those observers on game 2... like come on, even to me that's obvious.
Actually GMs are able to hunt down observers by zooming in zooming out. Check uThermal's channel. He regularly hunts down.
@@kozatas I know that, I know you can "see" them, but it was clearly not done in a realistic manner, they add no vision on the observer (specifically the second one) and scanned to catch it before sending the marines.
When pro catch an observer typically they're passing through and notice it and scan, they don't just home in on it.
@@kozatas True, but not observers in the fog of war he conveniently surrounds and then charges, dispelling the fog of war and scanning all in one fell swoop XD.
@@Dawindell lol, yeah if you can find observers in the fog of war, it's an amazing skill.
I love how pig's giving advice against map hackers like bronze maphacks don't all make it to gm.
Lol you could give a bronze player all the maphacks in the world and they'd struggle to crack gold league
@@PiGstarcraft dad?
On the first game, I thought he was cheating with more resources, since I thought I saw too many marines. But I thought the marines that were in his base and that were outside of his base chasing the oracles were different ones, since it is impossible without maphacks to move the marines to intercept both of them.
Those kinds of hacks are just not possible
Maphacks simply make the game display info that it is receiving while bypassing the requirements to see it
So while normally you'd need to have vision on a tile to show you the unit in there, maphacks make the game show you the unit regardless. The server doesn't control what is shown on your screen, so it's easy to do
Mineral count is controlled by the server, so even if you where to send "i got extra minerals" the game would straight up ignore it because it isn't even programmed to listen to the client about mineral count. There's a good chance the game would just crash for having desynched mineral counts
@@rompevuevitos222 you seem knowledgeable. What about production hacks? Where it automatically produces workers and marines out of production facilities?
@@ToTheNines87368 seems doable, altho it would be more of a macro since starting unit production is not just client sided
You could bind your unit production structures to a control group and have the macro make them
But it would be pretty worthless
First off it takes almost no time to do it yourself, secondly unit production is not something you can do on auto pilot, it is something you have to think about, so this would be worse than doing it yourself
Oo right o right. Great fun vid MrPIG
That was so satisfying to watch.
I just saw Winter go through this and now I'll watch you do it because fuck maphackers.
You know, I'd love to maphack and play like a campaign AI, I figure it would be pretty enjoyable for me and confusing for actual players :b
I think you missed such a good opportunity to just cannon rush that hacker. Wouldn't it be the perfect answer?
he'd be able to see it coming a mile away and pull SCVs to block it. My cannon rush is pretty bad too so would be hard to smoothly transition out of that one
@@PiGstarcraft hmm.. I guess I've watched too much Florencio Files recently. Forgot that it can actually backfire 😁
Yup! Can’t stand this guy lol. Lost to him the other day. I was like man, you played good! But I think you’re hacking mate! He’s like nah! But you see the game and he doesn’t even try to hide it lol.
Thanks for allowing me to enjoy starcraft from afar. I tried playing recently after watching your videos, but it was all angry people spamming offensive slurs in every single game I played. Decided to uninstall and just enjoy through your channel
Can't you turn off chat? It's been so long since I played that I forget, but it seems like it would be a basic feature.
Sounds like you had some bad luck there mate. Once you hit gold league and onwards it's generally pretty chill but there are definitely some angry nerds trying to spread their bad mood around out there. You can block communication in game if you ever feel like giving it another spin it's definitely worth it
What is good that if this is the fav game for a hacker, once they stop hacking, they are going to know how behind they are once they have to adapt to play correctly... Which are wasted real life time...
The problem is that most are probably people selling accounts and they don't care about developing...
How did you know it was the same guy? Was he the only barcode Terran you faced on the ladder or was there some other info? I only watch Starcraft so I wasn’t sure if there was some info on the loading screen or something.
in masters+ you see the enemies MMR on the load screen, so when you see same race, same MMR you know it's probably them. And I checked match history on their profile after to confirm it was them vs me in the previous map
@@PiGstarcraft thanks for explaining! These barcode players, man! GGWP, looking forward to the next one!
i fucking KNEW there were maphackers in sc2
finally proof. solid proof
It's not the first time a maphacker was confirmed, but he did say that it's not that easy to get your hand on one of them. Apparently you need to commision one from a hacker which is a lot of effort for someone to invest in a game he is not even good at.
Not to mention maphacking in Sc2 does exactly this to people; having full vision makes you an extremely shitty player. To the point that even just having the hacks are an active detriment.
@@TheMuffinman191 Only bad hackers get caught. The successful hackers don't make it blatant that they are using hacks (i.e. they could just have a hack to look at the production tab and not map hacking or if they map hack, they don't make it obvious).
@@markpayton3895 Would still make you worse than your average masters player. You're giving up attention to those things to have perfect scouting basically. While a good advantage, it can bite you in the ass cause you're looking at a production tab and not the drop flying into your main, or the fact you havent built workers in 20 seconds. Starcraft is complicated game, you can't really cheat so hard its an autowin unless you give yourself infinite money.
reminds me of the hacker police series in tf2
PiG idol on the comeback
series idea: pros vs. normies w/ maphacks?
I wonder what a cheater's life is like. Surely they take that same attitude into their real lives.
Sadly, there's a very blurred line for waay too many. The fact there has been endless cheat codes for single player games for years doesn't help these mindsets. What's astonishing is the shockingly poor programming to combat even the most basic of cheating - and 'maphacking' is one such example. It's almost as if the devs allow this because they think it's another revenue source.
Disregarding cheating at tournament level, it's a video game, but they are IRL playing that game against others even if it's mostly for fake internet points and a mood boost. Still, that's technically all reward for effectively no risk which is a trade anyone would take.
So the only notable "IRL" difference is that cheaters don't care about people they don't know (because cheating people they do know introduces risk)... which still doesn't say much about their day to day lives.
@@fluffyfang4213 I think if there was an opportunity that presented itself and, they don't think they can get caught, they would take that opportunity.
Like theft or something, you have something they want and they just wait for you to turn your back to take it. I've had "friends" like that before.
@@ChrisM541 how do you suggest they should combat maphacking exactly? Do you even know how multiplayer works?
What exactly makes you think that one of the best game engines is "shockingly poor programming"?
@@seyreine4836 True. Cheaters are, sadly, very common out there.
why do u not use w for warp gate? also funny vid :D
GM vs map hacking silver league player.
Actually I am not sure it's maphacking, just a rush enthusiast who is used to win or lose only with a rush.
I did the same some years ago for a period and I got easily to Master with Terran, my offrace.
So I think someone fully committed and just better (than me at least) can reach GM with that.
Yes, you can cheese your way to high leagues, but the looking through the fog of war and troop movement makes it pretty obvious this isn't just a one dimensional rush player.
Did he get to Masters with god damn proxy racks? I mean he had to get his MMR somehow.. unless someone sold an account to him.
Sc2 matchmaking and mmr is very good; the game will figure out how good you are. If you maphack, you will just play against better opponents, artificially boosted mmr. I dont think it would even be particularly fun to play against people better than me in every way but less map vision. Thats the end result of turning on maphack. Your opponents will out micro you like gods among an insect ect. You will win fights and games still, but only when your units and position is much better because of your vision. Your units will feel weak and underpowered because your opponents you face now are much better than you.
Want your units to feel like heroes? Turning on maphack will make it feel like the opposite after you start to face tougher opponents.
This was satisfying. So, did the player get banned?
With enough reports hopefully soon
its fun when someone pulls off the rush then gives you the W with trash bunker placement. what a scrub
There has been a massive influx of lag/ping hackers lately on the NA server. I've had probably 10 games in the last month where right before I win I suddenly drop out of the game with no replay of the game. But hmmmm I never drop from games like ever, and it's never when I'm about to gg out with a loss. Help us combat this cancer in sc2 PiG
The longer he hacks, the more his MMR stabilizes at a level where he loses half of his games anyway, just like everybody else.
So all he acheived is to make the game less interesting.
We all played sometime 2 gold vs 1 master, etc. It's like that. The maphacker is above his actual league. He has information, you have macro and micro advantages. No need to get crazy. It's just another type of game. Playing handicapped vs a lower MMR. Like a gold with extra income vs a master.
@@kozatas Bro you are legitimately 'tarded.
@@kozatas or permaban the hacker.
@@kozatasthe problem is that the game isn't supposed to be played this way, if there's a fog of war, it's for a good reason, what this man is doing is called cheating lol.
@@kozatas lol Pig called you out in his other video. just a lil maphacker just making excuses for cheating.
Best attitude ever 🎉!
It was the middle finger for me…
Is maphack just where they have full vision? Or do they hack in other advantages as well?
Only other advantages I've seen used is a micro bot. It's usually pretty obvious though when they're used as you see each marine microed independently and 10000 APM. I'd say maphacking was his only hack given that pig's forward and back movements stopped him from macroing, and slowed his build.
@@CC-bu2gv oh wow. A microbot. That could be fun against AI
He did gg though!
Actually, this seems to be very logical gameplay. Everybody can see, what you are doing. This is never a maphacker!
Map hacking may be a little annoying, but remember that the player's MMR already factors in this advatage. So if you are evenly matched that means all their other fundamentals will be worse than you.
Beautiful!
This is how I play. Except no hacks. :p
Pig you need to play a best of 5 against lowko
he would wreck lowko
Lowko plays High Masters, he is not a GM. Great Commentator and great player, but not a GM.
Would be fun, definitely should set that up with some specific rules to make it fun
Look at me UA-cam, I'm interacting with a video!
Thanks for the tips vs maphacks btw. Hilarious to see the outcome. (-:
thnx Eskurian!
Dude, the moment I see someone named IIIIIlllllIIIIlI. I'd be very sus from the start. Had experience going against these players in different games and I guess they named themselves like that thinking that they wont get banned cause its hard to type their name or something lmao
Barcode names are there to make it harder to remember their playstyles. Very easier to remember that the person named xX_Nerd Destroyer_Xx cannon rushed, but if your versing a barcode - you cant be certain its the same player. This is more important in higher leagues than lower because of the lower player count so its much easier to remember certain players and their styles.
I don't get it.
Knowing your army's location, he still aims for a full frontal assault and chooses bad unit composition.
It's so bad. Poor loser.
That's the whole point behind Detective Pig. He was dissecting the thought process (or lack thereof) of the Hacker. Clearly demonstrating his map knowledge trumped his actual skill in the game.
When does he stream?
I usually stream monday, tuesday, thursday, friday and saturday 2pm-7pm pacific US, 5pm-10pm East coast US, 11pm-4am Central european time. Might be starting an hour or two earlier when daylights savings switches in a month or so
Looks like you are bullying a diamond player
Imagine playing Terran and needing a maphack instead of just building orbitals.
Hillarious!
I’ve never seen people hack in StarCraft like bro it’s a 20+ year old game
I really don't get how people who play that badly get matched against 5k+ mmr players. I mean sure, they have maphacks... But so what ? They can't even react to what they are seeing, and just throw away their units.
Why don't the map hackers at least scan? That way they could get a full picture of the base and not seem like they're looking through fog even though they'd be able to see everything. Absolute trash, I hope he got banned
I've seen players scrubbing out about dumb stuff saying things are broken when they just don't understand how it works. But there is nothing more pathetic than a person who cheats in an online PvP game.
Except for the person who scrubs out when they lose a game they cheated in...
We all played sometime 2 gold vs 1 master, etc. It's like that. The maphacker is above his actual league. He has information, you have macro and micro advantages. No need to get crazy. It's just another type of game. Playing handicapped vs a lower MMR. Like a gold with extra income vs a master.
@@kozatas only if you're doing it vs a friend in a custom game who agrees to play that game. Otherwise it's just cheating.
@@kozatas do you know what a consent is? Do you even realize there are other living people around you?
"it's okay to punch in a face random strangers on streets, it's just another kind of boxing!"
"it's okay to cheat on your wife, it's just another type of wife!"
Not only your mindset is absurd, I think it might be a sign of psychopathy
how are you both grand master...
Very entertaining
Did you report the hacker?
Almost forget but went back and did it after the video
Thank you for the video!
PiG, I do not see how the fact that this is a map hacker contradicts your statement about "He is just playing Baboon StarCraft".
Haha well, they're not JUST playing baboon Starcraft. They're playing ENHANCED baboon Starcraft lol
I wonder what MMR this guy actually is. In diamond I played a maphacker who felt like he was gold league, so to be a maphacker in GM maybe diamond?
ohh no, with the skills he displayed here.. he's much worst than diamond. I'm surprised he's in GM even with maphack.
what happens if a grandmaster uses maphacks
They struggle to adapt to seeing the entire map haha: ua-cam.com/video/u73es6uSqhw/v-deo.html
Love your casts! Not maphack Q, but gear Q: how you getting 0 deg GPU? I shovel ice in my box but have to keep wirebrushing all my parts contacts. In Japan local EDION shop has some cooling box units- I wonder tho, did you do vid on gear? Maybe I can't afford it yet, but WANT IT so bad .。o○ I can dream. Tellmenow '(｀Δ´)'
plz
Must be just an inaccurate read on the ingame sensor, more like 40 degrees I'd imagine
@@PiGstarcraft lol thanks! guess I'll have to invent the sys myself (then work out the condensation probs on everything else)
that was funny
28:17
"nice micro buddy"
says from a toss who just a moved and failed to cast force field before and during the fight.
Yeah you can 100% get GM with proxy 3-rax marine SCV rushes haha - it's a strong strat especially when few other players are doing it so people aren't scouting properly
How to get a GPU Temperature of 0°C?
lol yeah I'm not sure that reading is legit
hahaha, so great =)
This hacker was actually my dad
If its vs a hacker their name should not be hidden.
They chose that name - it's a "barcode" where the player just does a random jumble of 1s, i's and lower case L's to form an indistinguishable mass. Would be nice if it wasn't such an easy way to stay anonymous
What's a map hacker?
people who bought a script online so that they can see the entire map.
@@ZerglingLover AH.