@@mdh16off59honestly I hate the thought of Arnie’s octavious, dolph as literally just venom though? Jesus Christ I love it. Like how tony Todd is a different model/voice for Harry in the Spider-Man game I think a different actor for Harry/venom would be insanely cool Edit: like Harry Osborne is whoever he is then when he transforms in to venom it’s dolph
I loved the idea of SpiderMan catching those 2 cops using excessive force and stops them which is why he’s seen as an enemy to the NYPD. That would’ve added some nuance to Peter’s commitment to justice regardless of who is in the wrong.
Very important I feel like, because superheroes start to seem kinda iffy to me if their sense of justice is dictated by the law, so they're essentially just supercops (even if they're not formally affiliated with the police) and therefore serve the establishment and enforce the status quo, for good or ill. With Spider-Man this was almost extreme in the Insomniac game, where he not only works very closely with the police, he literally goes around activating surveillance towers that even JJJ calls Orwellian. I feel like superheroes should be guided by a higher morality, punishing wrongdoers for doing wrong, regardless of what side of the law they're on.
@@adronius147 Exactly my thoughts. The whole "he's just a vigilante menace" angle gets tired if there is no genuine conflict between him and the police/govt. That's why I loved the Dinner table argument in TASM between Andrew's Peter and Captain Stacy. It cements why there is distrust on both sides.
@@adronius147Insomniac Spiderman was never put in the position tho too have to fight police working with them is the smartest decision to avoid unnecessary trouble or problems
Something similar does happen in the Insomniac Spider-Man video game, where he’s battling Sable International guards for being to harsh and abusive to Manhattan citizens.
I honestly think this is one of the greatest what if's in cinematic history. James Cameron is probably the only filmmaker who I would trust with a darker R rated Spider-Man movie
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I think you missed the point. What JC was getting at is that a TEENAGER is able to create web shooters that the rest of the world can't, even after having plenty of his webfluid available to bioanalyze. It's like how Iron Man is genius enough to be able to create a fully functioning time-machine, but had to ask Tom Holland's Peter how he makes his web fluid. Which I also found very bizarre
@@KrawnaIn the 90s cartoon, they explain it away as the knowledge of how to make web fluid stemming from the spider instincts that Peter received after being bitten.
The amazing Spider-Man 2 despite being god awful storywise, still has the best CGI and most innovative use of it till date in any Spider-Man movie. That last fight with electro was epic, nothing cames as close artistically to it.
@@TheViolentPacifist999bro amazing Spider-Man 2 was unwatchable. I tried like 4 times and only got like 5 minutes farther each time before turning it off. Raimi Spider-Man 2 had better cgi
It seems similar, but some of this movie sounds really embarrassing. I love James Cameron, but if this was made, it would probably be his worst film he’s ever made (besides Piranha 2)
It may sound that way, but when you really dive into the screenplay and see all of what was going to happen, versus what happened in the Ultimate Spider-Man, the major differences start to show.
Cameron's jurassic park was never really a thing. He got halfway through the book and rang up about the rights and found out speilberg's company had aquired them. He never wrote a script or a treatment or spoke about which actors would be cast.
Jurassic Park is one of the greatest films of all time directed by one of the greatest directors of all time. Why would anyone ever think another director would of done better.
I would love to see them do a comic book of the proposed Cameron Spiderman script. Dark Horse Comics did a comic book of one of the earlier treatments of Star Wars titled The Star Wars.
What about making an animated movie with the same studio who did the figth Levi vs Mercenaries in AOT. When I saw that scene I instantly thought on how awesome a scene like this would be with Spiderman. Just like Invicible has proven Superhero animation for adults can be great. You can have Josh Keaton as the voice of this Spiderman. Marvel animation needs to come back. Just like DC, The Snyderverse would be awesome in an gritty dark adult animated style just luke Samurái Jack season 5 or Primal.
There’s some ideas in this that sound interesting (like Electro using the media to turn Spider -Man to his side) but overall I think it was for the best that this didn’t get made. For one Peter comes off just too unlikeable.
80's 90's Cameron was peak.. the guy couldn't miss. The Terminator.. the og 1984 film, is still my absolute favorite film of his and top 3 for all-time.
Actually the idea was because powerful billionaires were hated back then. You can see the portrayals on Biff Tannen from Back to the Future Part II (1989), Max Schreck from Batman Returns (1992) and President Koopa from Super Mario Brothers: The Movie (1993).
I love James Cameron’s work, and I’ve been a Spider-Man fan for as long as I can remember. But after everything I’ve heard about this movie over the years, including watching this video, I AM VERY GLAD THIS MOVIE DID NOT GET MADE!
I do like the idea of the spider becoming mutated from a fly. It makes sense that someone random was bitten instead of the most likely person being a person experimenting on the spiders themselves.
That ain't even make sense😭 its always someone random bitten and wouldn't it make more sense that the people experimenting were bitten what was the point of this comment exactly
The only Spider-Man villain Arnie fits perfectly as in the 1990s is Doctor Doom. For Doc Ock, I would rather see that role go to Ed Harris from James Cameron's The Abyss, who was actually Sam Raimi's first considered casting choice for Doc Ock in his version of Spider-Man.
Would still want to see a Cameron Spiderman movie. It would work today as many superhero movies are darker. He has the passion for it which is a huge bonus.
This genuinely sounds like an awful script. Peter looses a lot of his likability and spiderman looses a lot of his mystique by becoming a preformer. I'm really glad we got Ramis version instead.
I was with the story thinking it sounded great...then you got to the mating dance. What an odd choice! Would've loved to see Camerons take on X-men though
I like how the flies are radioactive rather than a spider. The occurrence of someone gaining powers from this is more unlikely, making it more special for peter to become spiderman.
I like Raimis version a lot more because it’s more family friendly plus I don’t think James would’ve had Uncle Ben say one of the greatest lines in movie history “With great power comes great responsibility”. Raimis version has more of a happier tone to it, it is more moral and has a message behind it.
Thank God Raimi's version made it to the big screen and not James Cameron. Now this might be personal bias talking since Raimi Spider-Man was the first superhero flick I saw in cinema as a child, however, i believe the Sam Raimi version set the perfect tone for what an movie Spider-Man should look and feel like, a tone that even the Webb and MCU are influenced by. The call backs of the Raimi films from the Into the Spiderverse series shows how impactful that version was to a lot of people especially children who grew up to be the people Behind "Into the Spiderverse" and other Spider-Man media like the ps4 games etc. A film being R-rated doesn't automatically make it good. And not everything needs to be R-rated. You can have family friendly films that become timeless classics
@@martianastronaut4917 James Cameron is a master filmmaker. Sam Raimi is very talented but it seems like a thing to trash the master these days. But if he can make a Spiderman movie as timeless as T2, I say MORE POWER TO HIM
So I just came across this channel a few days ago but dang I love this stuff. I could literally watch these videos all day long. Please never stop making these!
I absolutely love this scriptment and it's darker tone that pre-dated The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) right down to having the same title. But I doubt it was gonna be Rated R considering it would've come out after Batman Returns and TMNT's negative backlash for being too dark and after the 1994 show was super successful for kids. I feel by the time it got to script form, it would've had to be censored by the studio or even during filming or editing. People forget that a movie never is the same as it was in it's script form. And even then, the darker stuff in the story was common in a lot of PG-13 films with Peter only saying just one F-bomb. And the love scene on the Brooklyn bridge isn't ethically graphic either. I feel people who read this Scriptment over exaggerate things. One thing for sure, the movie would've had amazing special effects that were mixed with practical and CGI at a time when Cameron was really good with visuals on set. Overall, the Scriptment is not as bad as everyone says it is. And it was even approved by Stan Lee himself. So there's that.
I don't care to see that angle of Spiderman, but I've really been wanting to see a darker TMNT film. Something between Deadpool and The Batman. Gritty and bloody, but juxtaposed with the quips like from the 90s live actions (just not overdone though, like Love and Thunder)
Just imagine the universe where Cameron kicked off the MCU with a hard-r Spider-Man. Then instead of Avatar, Cameron has been making superhero films this whole time.
Spiderman didn't kick off the MCU though. Sony still owns Spiderman film rights to this day and if anything, the Raimi spiderman kicked off the sonyverse. So if Carolco would've gotten the rights it would've ended up being the Carolcoverse if anything. Iron Man was the film that really kicked off the MCU, although technically The Incredible Hulk (2008) actually kicked it off, since that film is canon considering General Ross showed up in the end credits of Iron Man and mentioned the events that had happened in The Incredible Hulk.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres I said imagine, as in pretend. If James Cameron had released Spider-Man instead of Titanic the superhero movie field would look drastically different. They would have had Titanic money. They could have purchased Marvel and all of their characters and then purchased DC. Also, consider the magnitude of this film. It would have been like the Dark Knight releasing pre X-Men. They would instantly greenlight a sequel and then look to add as many characters to that roster of movies. There's really no telling how different of landscape it would be. But it's very possible that after the success of this Cameron Spider-Man all the studios and Marvel team up to make the MCU. It started as a partnership anyway. Paramount, Universal, Marvel.
I love the idea of him using his powers to get what every teen wants: money and women then it gets uncle ben killed and brings new meaning to the great power quote
I highly doubt this is the final draft, it could be a diamond in the rough. Electro's boss type character could evolve into Hammerhead, Tombstone or even the Kingpin, could even set up the eventual Sinister Six.
It was only a scriptment. The general story, Cameron wanted to tell is there but it definitely would’ve been edited and finalized if it wasn’t cancelled.
CarolCo had no involvement in Aliens. That was David Giler, Walter Hill, & Gordon Carroll as producers for Brandywine. CarolCo produced films such as the first three Rambo movies, Total Recall, Red Heat, & Universal Soldier as well as T2.
It’s shit like this where I wish we did have inter dimensional cable like that episode of Rick and Morty. Just a parallel universe with some different, some same, actors and directors but alternate castings, movies, and directors. Actually seeing the Tim Burton Superman. The David Lynch Star Wars. Jardowoski’s Dune. Face Off with Stallone and Schwarzenegger. It would be fucking awesome to just see parallel movies.
This was fascinating to discover - the Raimi Spider-Man films were definitive films in teenage years. One thing you'd guarantee with peak James Cameron and Leonardo DiCaprio is that it would have been memorable!
I personally find this one far more interesting than Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man. Also, Kristen Dunst as MJ is one of the worst miscast in all of comic book movies. Along with Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique and Halle Berry as Catwoman. So seeing Robyn Lively as MJ would’ve been a major upgrade
X-Men had too many miscasts except Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier because Marvel based the character off of that actor from Star Trek. Also, my least favorite in Spider-Man 1 was James Franco as Harry Osbourne because I don’t see him as Willem Dafoe's son at all, and his New Goblin is too bland. The role of Harry Osbourne back in 2002 should’ve went to 21-year-old Macaulay Culkin instead.
@@KenMasters.I think most people would disagree with you there. Both the original and prequel series of X-Men films had plenty of great castings, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Famke Jannsen, James Mardsen, were all iconic. Evan Peters was a better Quicksilver than the MCU one and James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender had great chemistry as Charles and Erik
@@Y2JHHHDX As a die-hard fan of Marvel Comics, I REALLY hated the casting. Not only that, I hated almost everything about the "X" films. The video games *X-Men Legends 1 & 2* were far better 2000s adaptations than what 20th Century Fox gave us. On the X-Men: • The Wolverine/Logan I prefer is the fan-made Jonathan Carroll depiction. • James McAvoy as Xavier is comparable to Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. • Halle Berry is as terrible at being an African every other foreign character (Pyro and Colossus). • Cyclops and Rogue were turned lame and weak. • Famke Jannsen doesn’t come close to being as hot as Jean Grey. • Nightcrawler's depiction was too shallow. • Beast looked like a blue Teen Wolf. • Iceman bored me. On the Brotherhood: • I see nobody for the role of Old Magneto except Daniel Day-Lewis or Jeremy Irons. • Michael Fassbender is way too IRISH to play Young Magneto, and he looks more like Matt "Daredevil" Murdock. • I have no idea why Mystique looks nude, gross and splotchy. • They did Juggernaut the worst. • They didn’t even try with Pyro. • Sabretooth… He looks good, that’s about it. • Toad, they blew his potential.
I started having a soft spot for different directions in adaptations after watching The Dark Knight because of Heath Ledger's inaccurate but original Joker.
I don’t think he had a good handle on the character. So it’s good it didn’t happen. However, I would have loved to have seen Cameron’s once proposed “Planet of the Apes” film with Schwarzenegger.
@@ClassifiedRanTomStan Lee most likely would, since he wasn’t the creator of Spider-Man. Steve Ditko was. Stan just wanted to cash in on others creations.
The part of Peter wanting to hide his wrists because he could be seen as a freak, and the electro thing about superpowered people superiority, sounds like it could have lead to an X-Men spin of film. Also, you should make a video about the Cannon Films versions of Spidey. It does have interesting stuff in there.
I’d love to see a darker spider-man. Have Hobgoblin in it and be like a serial killa, and keep the traditional costume - Orange with that creepy mask and red eyes. Also Kingpin would be a good fit, with maybe the Punisher to help Spider-man out.
While it honestly sounded interesting I am glad we got Raimi in the end due to how iconic all his Spider-Man movies are & the tone being corny like a comic book which makes it feel like more of a comic book movie than a drama.
James Cameron wanting Spider-Man to be a "realistic" teenager (as all teens are the same, don'tcha know) reminds me of David Goyer wanting to do a "realistic" Clark Kent, which is how we got the brooding and miserable Man of Steel. I'm glad this wasn't made.
I love your cover on this! I love Cameron's movies and I LOVE Spider-Man, but I'm soooooooo glad he didn't get to make this. This just doesn't feel like a Spider-Man I'd enjoy.
I love it. many of the dark and strange turns seem 'weird' but these are the things that made movies memorable. nowadays they all seem made in an assembly line with cookie cutter stories and visuals. a late 90s james cameron spiderman starring leo dicaprio would've looked amazing, probably done titanic level numbers on the box office, and the superhero movie landscape would've been completely different today.
while there are some parts of his script that i dont like, i do love and appreciate how much cameron seems to care about this project and how big of a fan he was
Do you agree with the movie's radical change from the comics such as Electro not being Max Dillon, Sandman not actually Flint Marco, and Peter not working for the Daily Bugle, and what about the lack of Gwen Stacy?
peter doesnt even meet gwen until he goes to college so of course she wouldnt have been in the film if cameron wanted to atleast stay somewhat true to the comics
I would’ve loved to have seen James Cameron’s take. I’m very thankful and happy for the Sam raimi movies because I think he did an incredible job making some genuinely iconic movies. But I’m really fascinated by the idea of a James Cameron comic book movie where he was more or less allowed to do whatever he wanted. Also I hate the organic web shooters lol, I get it it’s for the sake of simplicity in the movies but holy fuck just let Peter be smart too and let him make web shooters, the alternative is disgusting😂
I guarantee his film would've been better. Raimi is a shit director/producer and 90% of his work has been utter trash. And even when the Spiderman trilogy first came out I thought it was mostly mid. I simply got excited because it was basically the only option to seeing a superhero on the big screen. The movies got cornier with each installment and the casting wasn't that great aside from Willem Dafoe and JK Simmons. Albeit Willem's costume was horrible and they should've toned down JK Simmons. He was like a caricature.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres your opinion, none of your points make much sense anyways, every Sam raimi film is supposed to be corny, if you don't like it, that's fine just watch the first evil dead instead or don't watch his movies at all
I think at least with this film it would have been different and probably successful. It would be fascinating what effects it had on the film industry.
That’s really cool that you’ve talked about the unmade movie, and I wanna actually give my own fan cast because the people you’ve mentioned where only rumors and never really confirmed I’ll be honest, so here’s my own cast… Wil Wheaton as Spider-Man/Peter Parker Michael Biehn as Electro/Carlton Strand Rose McGowan as Mary Jane Watson Scott Wilson as Uncle Ben Ellen Burnstyn as Aunt May Henry Rollins as Sandman/Boyd Tia Carrere as Cordelia R. Lee Ermy as J. Jonah Jameson Terrence Howard as Nathan “Flash” McCreery And A special cameo from Stan “The Man” Lee I hope y’all enjoyed this take on a a realistic situation.
Wait a minute what?!? I had to do a double take at "he ties her up, does a mating dance, as spiders do, they make love" What the actual eff is that lol. This is batshit crazy, so glad this movie didn't happen.
I still go back and watch those every once in a while. I have a lot of fond memories of those movies, even though I don't think it's the best iteration of Spiderman.
We could've had Arnold Schwarzenegger as Otto Octavius. What a wild universe that would've been.
After arnies mr freeze… yeah sure why not lol
@@MILDMONSTER1234yes and dolph lundergren as venom will be good
And sly stallone as gambit
I wonder what one liners he would’ve had if he was Doc Oc
@@mdh16off59honestly I hate the thought of Arnie’s octavious, dolph as literally just venom though? Jesus Christ I love it. Like how tony Todd is a different model/voice for Harry in the Spider-Man game I think a different actor for Harry/venom would be insanely cool
Edit: like Harry Osborne is whoever he is then when he transforms in to venom it’s dolph
I loved the idea of SpiderMan catching those 2 cops using excessive force and stops them which is why he’s seen as an enemy to the NYPD. That would’ve added some nuance to Peter’s commitment to justice regardless of who is in the wrong.
Very important I feel like, because superheroes start to seem kinda iffy to me if their sense of justice is dictated by the law, so they're essentially just supercops (even if they're not formally affiliated with the police) and therefore serve the establishment and enforce the status quo, for good or ill.
With Spider-Man this was almost extreme in the Insomniac game, where he not only works very closely with the police, he literally goes around activating surveillance towers that even JJJ calls Orwellian. I feel like superheroes should be guided by a higher morality, punishing wrongdoers for doing wrong, regardless of what side of the law they're on.
@@adronius147 Exactly my thoughts. The whole "he's just a vigilante menace" angle gets tired if there is no genuine conflict between him and the police/govt.
That's why I loved the Dinner table argument in TASM between Andrew's Peter and Captain Stacy. It cements why there is distrust on both sides.
I can already hear fox news junkies saying its woke propaganda and anti police etc etc 🤣😂
@@adronius147Insomniac Spiderman was never put in the position tho too have to fight police working with them is the smartest decision to avoid unnecessary trouble or problems
Something similar does happen in the Insomniac Spider-Man video game, where he’s battling Sable International guards for being to harsh and abusive to Manhattan citizens.
I honestly think this is one of the greatest what if's in cinematic history. James Cameron is probably the only filmmaker who I would trust with a darker R rated Spider-Man movie
That was probably the best chance to make it R rated since today it would be at best PG13. Now greatest what if? I dont know about that
Same
I love how Cameron was concerned about Peter making his own web shooters for “plausibility” reasons
Haha I know, in a story about a guy who gets magic powers after being bitten by a spider.
Pretty sure if i rummage around in my bathroom i can find a bottle that sprays liquid into the air.
I'm gonna try to sell it to darpa.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I think you missed the point. What JC was getting at is that a TEENAGER is able to create web shooters that the rest of the world can't, even after having plenty of his webfluid available to bioanalyze.
It's like how Iron Man is genius enough to be able to create a fully functioning time-machine, but had to ask Tom Holland's Peter how he makes his web fluid. Which I also found very bizarre
@@KrawnaIn the 90s cartoon, they explain it away as the knowledge of how to make web fluid stemming from the spider instincts that Peter received after being bitten.
@@curtthegamer934exactly
Man just imagine the visual effects and action sequences if Cameron decided to make this Spider-Man film today
action sequences not really THAT good in way of the water, tbh
action sequences not really THAT good in way of the water, to be fair
The amazing Spider-Man 2 despite being god awful storywise, still has the best CGI and most innovative use of it till date in any Spider-Man movie. That last fight with electro was epic, nothing cames as close artistically to it.
@@TheViolentPacifist999bro amazing Spider-Man 2 was unwatchable. I tried like 4 times and only got like 5 minutes farther each time before turning it off. Raimi Spider-Man 2 had better cgi
@@jojosmokes256 nah, TASM is still the GOAT in superhero CGI
He was basically making ultimate Spider-Man before that comic run even happened
It seems similar, but some of this movie sounds really embarrassing. I love James Cameron, but if this was made, it would probably be his worst film he’s ever made (besides Piranha 2)
I was thinking the same.
It may sound that way, but when you really dive into the screenplay and see all of what was going to happen, versus what happened in the Ultimate Spider-Man, the major differences start to show.
@@TillmanStudios i agree, I think his screenplay sucked, this movie might’ve killed spiderman
@@fromthatday6334 Agreed.
Spiderman doing a mating spider dance for MJ would had gone down as a different reality version of the Bully Maguire dance meme.
Honestly this is one of those movies that I would love to have seen but... I'm glad we got what we got instead. Great video as always!
Thanks!
Exactly. Though now I think this is cool. Raimi’s movies were just innocent but still classics.
Exactly i would have loved to have seen Camerons adaption however im so so glad we got Raimis one instead
@@johnrockyryan And Cameron himself was glad it never got made because he was able to make original projects instead
You gotta do one for James Cameron's Jurassic Park and Ridley Scott's I Am Legend!
Cameron's jurassic park was never really a thing. He got halfway through the book and rang up about the rights and found out speilberg's company had aquired them. He never wrote a script or a treatment or spoke about which actors would be cast.
Also do Christopher Nolan's "Fifty Shades of Grey" and George Miller's "The Notebook" and James Cameron's "Scary Movie 3".
Also do Nicholas cage superman and zack Snyder justice league 2 & 3
No
Jurassic Park is one of the greatest films of all time directed by one of the greatest directors of all time. Why would anyone ever think another director would of done better.
I would love to see them do a comic book of the proposed Cameron Spiderman script. Dark Horse Comics did a comic book of one of the earlier treatments of Star Wars titled The Star Wars.
Would be sick!
I would definitely read that comic
What about making an animated movie with the same studio who did the figth Levi vs Mercenaries in AOT. When I saw that scene I instantly thought on how awesome a scene like this would be with Spiderman.
Just like Invicible has proven Superhero animation for adults can be great.
You can have Josh Keaton as the voice of this Spiderman.
Marvel animation needs to come back.
Just like DC, The Snyderverse would be awesome in an gritty dark adult animated style just luke Samurái Jack season 5 or Primal.
Imagine in secret wars, James Cameron spider-man appears played by either a older Peter (Leonardo DiCaprio) or a entirely different actor
@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667imagine James Barnes or someone else doing the voice
There’s some ideas in this that sound interesting (like Electro using the media to turn Spider -Man to his side) but overall I think it was for the best that this didn’t get made. For one Peter comes off just too unlikeable.
80's 90's Cameron was peak.. the guy couldn't miss. The Terminator.. the og 1984 film, is still my absolute favorite film of his and top 3 for all-time.
T2 is ten times better
I actually like the idea of Electro being his own Kingpin of sorts, especially if he was played by Lance Hendrix
Actually the idea was because powerful billionaires were hated back then.
You can see the portrayals on Biff Tannen from Back to the Future Part II (1989), Max Schreck from Batman Returns (1992) and President Koopa from Super Mario Brothers: The Movie (1993).
@KEN-1991 "were" guessing youve never been on twitter before.
I love James Cameron’s work, and I’ve been a Spider-Man fan for as long as I can remember. But after everything I’ve heard about this movie over the years, including watching this video, I AM VERY GLAD THIS MOVIE DID NOT GET MADE!
I do like the idea of the spider becoming mutated from a fly. It makes sense that someone random was bitten instead of the most likely person being a person experimenting on the spiders themselves.
It literally makes 0 sense. How are you going to get spider abilities from a fly lol.
Some ppl should not have opinions
@@sovietninja6865did you not pay attention? The mutated fly gets eaten by a spider. The mutation goes to the spider. Then the spider bites Peter.
@@Downtownguy I don’t know dawg! I didn’t write the damn script
That ain't even make sense😭 its always someone random bitten and wouldn't it make more sense that the people experimenting were bitten what was the point of this comment exactly
The Brooklyn bridge scene is wild…
Ngl, that take on Electro is sick as fuck
Doc ock played by arnold is one of the funniest things i could imaginr😂
The only Spider-Man villain Arnie fits perfectly as in the 1990s is Doctor Doom.
For Doc Ock, I would rather see that role go to Ed Harris from James Cameron's The Abyss, who was actually Sam Raimi's first considered casting choice for Doc Ock in his version of Spider-Man.
their failure brought life to the Best Live-action Spider-Man
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Would still want to see a Cameron Spiderman movie. It would work today as many superhero movies are darker. He has the passion for it which is a huge bonus.
This genuinely sounds like an awful script. Peter looses a lot of his likability and spiderman looses a lot of his mystique by becoming a preformer. I'm really glad we got Ramis version instead.
I was with the story thinking it sounded great...then you got to the mating dance. What an odd choice! Would've loved to see Camerons take on X-men though
Haha yeah and let’s not forget tying MJ down!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I was including that in my mind, guess I didn't put it in my comment. I imagine that would've been cut, or at least I hope.
Avatar was groundbreaking, don’t get me wrong but Cameron’s cast for Spider-Man would have been bonkers and I’d trade Avatar for that version
Arnold as Doc Ock?! YES!!! I need this today lol
I like how the flies are radioactive rather than a spider. The occurrence of someone gaining powers from this is more unlikely, making it more special for peter to become spiderman.
I like Raimis version a lot more because it’s more family friendly plus I don’t think James would’ve had Uncle Ben say one of the greatest lines in movie history “With great power comes great responsibility”. Raimis version has more of a happier tone to it, it is more moral and has a message behind it.
Whatever. Dont underestimate James Cameron
@@LukeLovesRoseJames Cameron isn't gonna fuck you bro
@@LukeLovesRose ...don't under estimate him to put himself and his ego first.
Thank God Raimi's version made it to the big screen and not James Cameron. Now this might be personal bias talking since Raimi Spider-Man was the first superhero flick I saw in cinema as a child, however, i believe the Sam Raimi version set the perfect tone for what an movie Spider-Man should look and feel like, a tone that even the Webb and MCU are influenced by. The call backs of the Raimi films from the Into the Spiderverse series shows how impactful that version was to a lot of people especially children who grew up to be the people Behind "Into the Spiderverse" and other Spider-Man media like the ps4 games etc. A film being R-rated doesn't automatically make it good. And not everything needs to be R-rated. You can have family friendly films that become timeless classics
@@martianastronaut4917 James Cameron is a master filmmaker. Sam Raimi is very talented but it seems like a thing to trash the master these days. But if he can make a Spiderman movie as timeless as T2, I say MORE POWER TO HIM
So I just came across this channel a few days ago but dang I love this stuff. I could literally watch these videos all day long. Please never stop making these!
Thank you and welcome aboard!
I absolutely love this scriptment and it's darker tone that pre-dated The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) right down to having the same title. But I doubt it was gonna be Rated R considering it would've come out after Batman Returns and TMNT's negative backlash for being too dark and after the 1994 show was super successful for kids. I feel by the time it got to script form, it would've had to be censored by the studio or even during filming or editing. People forget that a movie never is the same as it was in it's script form. And even then, the darker stuff in the story was common in a lot of PG-13 films with Peter only saying just one F-bomb. And the love scene on the Brooklyn bridge isn't ethically graphic either. I feel people who read this Scriptment over exaggerate things. One thing for sure, the movie would've had amazing special effects that were mixed with practical and CGI at a time when Cameron was really good with visuals on set. Overall, the Scriptment is not as bad as everyone says it is. And it was even approved by Stan Lee himself. So there's that.
For sure but I think it’s more the fact MJ is in high school and has sex while tied down to a guy in a mask lol
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@@englishatheartseriously?
I don't care to see that angle of Spiderman, but I've really been wanting to see a darker TMNT film. Something between Deadpool and The Batman. Gritty and bloody, but juxtaposed with the quips like from the 90s live actions (just not overdone though, like Love and Thunder)
Yeah , but if you really read the script , then u propably know that the webbing was only ilusorical@@Bulletsandblockbusters
If Spider-Man ever comes into the public domain, then I’d quite like to see this happen
wait until 2058 become public domain
Let him produce a Live action 2099 Spider-Man
Let's make James Cameron Spider-Man 2099 a canon event.
Just imagine the universe where Cameron kicked off the MCU with a hard-r Spider-Man. Then instead of Avatar, Cameron has been making superhero films this whole time.
The worst outcome 😮
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I’d rather Cameron take over instead of Disney ruining Marvel.
Spiderman didn't kick off the MCU though. Sony still owns Spiderman film rights to this day and if anything, the Raimi spiderman kicked off the sonyverse. So if Carolco would've gotten the rights it would've ended up being the Carolcoverse if anything. Iron Man was the film that really kicked off the MCU, although technically The Incredible Hulk (2008) actually kicked it off, since that film is canon considering General Ross showed up in the end credits of Iron Man and mentioned the events that had happened in The Incredible Hulk.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres I said imagine, as in pretend. If James Cameron had released Spider-Man instead of Titanic the superhero movie field would look drastically different. They would have had Titanic money. They could have purchased Marvel and all of their characters and then purchased DC. Also, consider the magnitude of this film. It would have been like the Dark Knight releasing pre X-Men. They would instantly greenlight a sequel and then look to add as many characters to that roster of movies. There's really no telling how different of landscape it would be. But it's very possible that after the success of this Cameron Spider-Man all the studios and Marvel team up to make the MCU. It started as a partnership anyway. Paramount, Universal, Marvel.
@@KenMasters.what about Sam Raimi
“It was the kick that Cameron needed to finally stick to original ideas like Avatar” you say it like this is a good thing
Love the ending of this “As it pushed him to focus more on original works like Pocahontas/Fern Gully in Space”
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it would be hysterical if they brought Leo into the mcu as spider man
Just imagine Spacey as Norman it probably would’ve been like John Doe in Se7en. That’s wild
I love the idea of him using his powers to get what every teen wants: money and women then it gets uncle ben killed and brings new meaning to the great power quote
This entire time when watching, I've had the thought in the back of my head, "What did Stan think of James's ideas?"
He liked it apparently. Thought it updated Spider-Man for the 90s.
"Here, let me give you a hand." I can vividly see this being Arnold's line :D
I’m thankful we ended up with Raimi’s Spider-Man personally
I used to have so many criticisms over Raimi's version of Spiderman but hearing James Cameron's interpretation made me thankful we got what we got.
I highly doubt this is the final draft, it could be a diamond in the rough. Electro's boss type character could evolve into Hammerhead, Tombstone or even the Kingpin, could even set up the eventual Sinister Six.
It was only a scriptment. The general story, Cameron wanted to tell is there but it definitely would’ve been edited and finalized if it wasn’t cancelled.
CarolCo had no involvement in Aliens. That was David Giler, Walter Hill, & Gordon Carroll as producers for Brandywine. CarolCo produced films such as the first three Rambo movies, Total Recall, Red Heat, & Universal Soldier as well as T2.
You’re right! Not sure how I made that mistake. Nice catch.
Okay I lowkey want to see this animated or at least in comic form. There are a lot of storyboards to go off for this for there to base off.
It’s shit like this where I wish we did have inter dimensional cable like that episode of Rick and Morty. Just a parallel universe with some different, some same, actors and directors but alternate castings, movies, and directors. Actually seeing the Tim Burton Superman. The David Lynch Star Wars. Jardowoski’s Dune. Face Off with Stallone and Schwarzenegger. It would be fucking awesome to just see parallel movies.
i kinda want this as at least a comic
James Cameron's *"Spider-Man"* deserved to get a graphic novel adaptation.
Nah, a comic book adaptation.
Just like what Marlon Wayans' Robin had.
i’d love to see this.. all these scrapped scripts should be done in cartoon or ai format
This was fascinating to discover - the Raimi Spider-Man films were definitive films in teenage years.
One thing you'd guarantee with peak James Cameron and Leonardo DiCaprio is that it would have been memorable!
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is... James Cameron
Outside of a few very strange decisions, this mostly sounds like a great movie.
10:32 Ahhhnold as Otto???? FUCK....YES!!!
I personally find this one far more interesting than Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man. Also, Kristen Dunst as MJ is one of the worst miscast in all of comic book movies. Along with Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique and Halle Berry as Catwoman. So seeing Robyn Lively as MJ would’ve been a major upgrade
Mystique is no hero like Jennifer Lawrence. That thing is an abomination.
X-Men had too many miscasts except Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier because Marvel based the character off of that actor from Star Trek.
Also, my least favorite in Spider-Man 1 was James Franco as Harry Osbourne because I don’t see him as Willem Dafoe's son at all, and his New Goblin is too bland.
The role of Harry Osbourne back in 2002 should’ve went to 21-year-old Macaulay Culkin instead.
@@KenMasters.I think most people would disagree with you there. Both the original and prequel series of X-Men films had plenty of great castings, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Famke Jannsen, James Mardsen, were all iconic. Evan Peters was a better Quicksilver than the MCU one and James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender had great chemistry as Charles and Erik
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As a die-hard fan of Marvel Comics, I REALLY hated the casting. Not only that, I hated almost everything about the "X" films.
The video games *X-Men Legends 1 & 2* were far better 2000s adaptations than what 20th Century Fox gave us.
On the X-Men:
• The Wolverine/Logan I prefer is the fan-made Jonathan Carroll depiction.
• James McAvoy as Xavier is comparable to Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor.
• Halle Berry is as terrible at being an African every other foreign character (Pyro and Colossus).
• Cyclops and Rogue were turned lame and weak.
• Famke Jannsen doesn’t come close to being as hot as Jean Grey.
• Nightcrawler's depiction was too shallow.
• Beast looked like a blue Teen Wolf.
• Iceman bored me.
On the Brotherhood:
• I see nobody for the role of Old Magneto except Daniel Day-Lewis or Jeremy Irons.
• Michael Fassbender is way too IRISH to play Young Magneto, and he looks more like Matt "Daredevil" Murdock.
• I have no idea why Mystique looks nude, gross and splotchy.
• They did Juggernaut the worst.
• They didn’t even try with Pyro.
• Sabretooth… He looks good, that’s about it.
• Toad, they blew his potential.
This would truly have been the darkest timeline
I wish we got this version of Spiderman, with early 90s practical effects and Jim Cameron in his prime.
Bro, if ARI became Spiderman's agent, it would've been....gold 😅
Proof that not every great director can faithful and adequately any property or tell any story.
I started having a soft spot for different directions in adaptations after watching The Dark Knight because of Heath Ledger's inaccurate but original Joker.
This video was well made and looking back i wished this was made.
did cameron just forget the whole "great power comes with great responsibility" thing
bro that fx shot of Leo as Spidery in the intro was so well done!!!
I remember reading David Fincher was attached to Spider-Man too. He wanted it to be dark and gritty. Where Peter is already Spider-Man.
This whole thing was why Sandman was never on the 90s Fox Kids Spidey cartoon and Electro was on in the later seasons.
I don’t think he had a good handle on the character. So it’s good it didn’t happen.
However, I would have loved to have seen Cameron’s once proposed “Planet of the Apes” film with Schwarzenegger.
I think he got the character, but the tone of the film is all wrong and the villain and their goal is kind of weak.
Guarantee Stan Lee would not have signed off on this treatment and it would have been toned down.
Stan Lee loved it apparently
@@ClassifiedRanTomStan Lee most likely would, since he wasn’t the creator of Spider-Man. Steve Ditko was. Stan just wanted to cash in on others creations.
Are you kidding? His script is 100 times better than what came out with Raimi, It was also way better than the Amazing spiderman.
The part of Peter wanting to hide his wrists because he could be seen as a freak, and the electro thing about superpowered people superiority, sounds like it could have lead to an X-Men spin of film.
Also, you should make a video about the Cannon Films versions of Spidey. It does have interesting stuff in there.
"stricky white mass covering his body" nahh thats wild
That’s raw asfff, Electro kissing MJ and killing her but then bringing her back to life 😂
I love how Electro uses his powers and money to turn the city against him. Excellent ideas in this
This version of Electro is smart compared to the usually careless and curious version from the comics.
Love your videos ❤😊. Keep up the good work. Next one should be Edgar Wright’s Ant-man!😮
Both are on the list :)
I would have loved this film 😢
I’d love to see a darker spider-man.
Have Hobgoblin in it and be like a serial killa, and keep the traditional costume - Orange with that creepy mask and red eyes.
Also Kingpin would be a good fit, with maybe the Punisher to help Spider-man out.
man if you dont hit a hundred thousand sub in a year thats a crime your docs are so well done bro glad i subbed
Thanks! We’re on our way
@@Bulletsandblockbusters i see keep them coming
While it honestly sounded interesting I am glad we got Raimi in the end due to how iconic all his Spider-Man movies are & the tone being corny like a comic book which makes it feel like more of a comic book movie than a drama.
This is the one time Toby beat out Leo for a roll 🤣
I was thinking the same thing lol
R. Lee Ermey as J. Jonah Jameson?
I think we found the one guy who could top J.K. Simmons.
Yeah he’d be great!
For real 😂😂
Whether it was from Raimi or Cameron, a final battle on top of the World Trade Center would’ve been fucking awesome!
James Cameron wanting Spider-Man to be a "realistic" teenager (as all teens are the same, don'tcha know) reminds me of David Goyer wanting to do a "realistic" Clark Kent, which is how we got the brooding and miserable Man of Steel.
I'm glad this wasn't made.
I love your cover on this! I love Cameron's movies and I LOVE Spider-Man, but I'm soooooooo glad he didn't get to make this. This just doesn't feel like a Spider-Man I'd enjoy.
I love it. many of the dark and strange turns seem 'weird' but these are the things that made movies memorable. nowadays they all seem made in an assembly line with cookie cutter stories and visuals. a late 90s james cameron spiderman starring leo dicaprio would've looked amazing, probably done titanic level numbers on the box office, and the superhero movie landscape would've been completely different today.
“The sleazy Asian”😭
while there are some parts of his script that i dont like, i do love and appreciate how much cameron seems to care about this project and how big of a fan he was
So in a weird, convoluted way you could say Spider-Man is the reason the Avatar movies exist.
The world wasnt ready for this version of spiderman
Electro shocking her back to life was dope
Do you agree with the movie's radical change from the comics such as Electro not being Max Dillon, Sandman not actually Flint Marco, and Peter not working for the Daily Bugle, and what about the lack of Gwen Stacy?
peter doesnt even meet gwen until he goes to college so of course she wouldnt have been in the film if cameron wanted to atleast stay somewhat true to the comics
If james Cameron spiderman mad in spiderman 2 james Cameron we gona see gwen stacy and actuel i remember alecia silvertone was gona be gwen stacy
Ill take this over tom hollands spider man
Electro wasn't Max Dillion in TAS and he was surprisingly...competent.
I would’ve loved to have seen James Cameron’s take. I’m very thankful and happy for the Sam raimi movies because I think he did an incredible job making some genuinely iconic movies.
But I’m really fascinated by the idea of a James Cameron comic book movie where he was more or less allowed to do whatever he wanted. Also I hate the organic web shooters lol, I get it it’s for the sake of simplicity in the movies but holy fuck just let Peter be smart too and let him make web shooters, the alternative is disgusting😂
I guarantee his film would've been better. Raimi is a shit director/producer and 90% of his work has been utter trash. And even when the Spiderman trilogy first came out I thought it was mostly mid. I simply got excited because it was basically the only option to seeing a superhero on the big screen. The movies got cornier with each installment and the casting wasn't that great aside from Willem Dafoe and JK Simmons. Albeit Willem's costume was horrible and they should've toned down JK Simmons. He was like a caricature.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres your opinion, none of your points make much sense anyways, every Sam raimi film is supposed to be corny, if you don't like it, that's fine just watch the first evil dead instead or don't watch his movies at all
This is like r rated spiderman some cool and weird and straight up wrong ways lol
I really would have loved to watch this one
Same man😭
"He does a ritualistic mating dance like a spider, and then they make love"
What the fuck?
I think at least with this film it would have been different and probably successful. It would be fascinating what effects it had on the film industry.
James Cameron got the last laugh, his aquaman film staring Vinnie Chase topped spiderman at the box office
Victory!
I will Always want to see early 90s Michael Biehn as spiderman.. he deserves that post-spiderman career!
I’m still waiting to see them make James Cameron’s Aquaman from Entourage.
😂
Yes! There should have been a cameo of "Vincent Chase" in the Aquaman Movie
That’s really cool that you’ve talked about the unmade movie, and I wanna actually give my own fan cast because the people you’ve mentioned where only rumors and never really confirmed I’ll be honest, so here’s my own cast…
Wil Wheaton as Spider-Man/Peter Parker
Michael Biehn as Electro/Carlton Strand
Rose McGowan as Mary Jane Watson
Scott Wilson as Uncle Ben
Ellen Burnstyn as Aunt May
Henry Rollins as Sandman/Boyd
Tia Carrere as Cordelia
R. Lee Ermy as J. Jonah Jameson
Terrence Howard as Nathan “Flash” McCreery
And
A special cameo from Stan “The Man” Lee
I hope y’all enjoyed this take on a a realistic situation.
I have a copy of a James Cameron Spiderman script from 1993 in which Doctor Octopus is the villain and Liz Allan is the love interest.
As a diehard Spidey fan who has read his script...I am very grateful that movie never got made.
I would love to see this
wow James Cameron spiderman actually sounds like it has plot
A weird one but a plot nonetheless!
This sounds so over complicated and dark… Ben Reiley? Feels like this version of Spiderman has that blue sweater..
Wait a minute what?!?
I had to do a double take at "he ties her up, does a mating dance, as spiders do, they make love"
What the actual eff is that lol.
This is batshit crazy, so glad this movie didn't happen.
If Nicholas Cage's Superman from Superman Lives can get a cameo in The Flash, then James Cameron's Spider-Man can so in a future MCU project
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films are one of those things that just make me content to exist in this universe haha.
Love it
I still go back and watch those every once in a while. I have a lot of fond memories of those movies, even though I don't think it's the best iteration of Spiderman.