CHARGING THE PLUG-IN HYBRID BMW X5 xDrive45e
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- The 2021 BMW X5 xDrive45e is a plug-in hybrid SUV with both a gasoline engine and an electric motor. They work together for more power and better fuel economy but you can also drive this luxury BMW suv as a full EV with a range of about 30 miles.
This video shows the charging process for the BMW X5 xDrive45e plug in hybrid at a ChargePoint EV Level 2 charging station in Palm Desert. This charging station is 3.3 kWh so it takes about six hours to charge the X5 to full capacity. You get 5 miles of range for each hour of charging. It cost just over $10 to charge the X5 on this public ChargePoint electrical vehicle charger.
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Adding 28 miles of range for $10 is not cheaper than gas. ChargePoint costs are rated in time not power. Since the 45e charges so slow, it costs more than gas. Just charge at home.
If the battery has 17 kWh usable capacity and my electricity is $0.11/kWh plus 10% loss is around $2.06 per 36 miles. That is cheaper than $5 gas plus the engine doesn’t run and wear out. I’ll do that unless gas drops below $2.
Also the 45e comes set from the factory to only charge at 6 amps by default. While this prevents overloading a 110v circuit at home running a garage refrigerator, but this can lead to 24+ hour charge times. The setting to change this is in a difficult place to find but found it. Set to 10 amps and that helps without overloading the circuit, it allows up to 16 amps. The 110v plug the BMW uses in my garage is on a 15 amp breaker. Breaker has not tripped with 10 amps going to 45e and running the fridge.
Thank you very much for all the detailed info, it's very helpful.
The charger at the sheriff station is now free, slow but free. I just had the Kia EV6 to review and left it there for 8 hours to get a full charge, but no cost at all.
- very nice, most useful and informative comments
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Fred, thanks for the video. My understanding is the 45e has a 3.7 kWh on-board charger (some sites say 3.8 kWh) so your 5.5 to 6 hour charging time is normal and expected, even on a level 2 charger. On a regular home 110v circuit I've seen times of 11 to 15 hours reported. Obviously BMW expects most drivers to recharge the car overnight.
Yes, you are correct. The BMW site says 4.5-5.5 hours to charge on a Level 2 charger. And yes, up to 12 hours to charge on 110v at home.
Your charging amps was probably set to 6A...you can raise that to 16A in the car settings...and i get charged like $1.60 for 40miles of charge on Chargepoint
Raising the amps would allow faster charging? Are you in the US? Does Chargepoint offer lower rates for frequent users? I just had this for a week for the review so I use Chargepoint very little, just one or two charges.
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First I'd like to thank the author for the great video, it was very useful to watch, as I am planning to lease an X5. I was not sure should I get an EV option for an extra $6000 or not. But after watching this video, I'm definitely going to get standard gasoline version, even in expensive state as CA where I pay $4-5 for a gallon of gas, 30 miles will cost me around $6-8 (20 mpg combined) and it will take 5 minutes to have a full tank. Maybe I am missing some point here, but if you don't have house with solar panels installed or free EV charger at your apartment complex parking it doesn't make sense to lease/buy this PHEV model.
Some people want it for the ecological impact benefits, if that makes sense. Also, it's perfect if you have a commute that is less than 30 miles. Then you can charge cheaply at home, at night and at the office and pay no fuel for the commute. Also keep in mind this is an expensive, retail charger and there may be cheaper public options available.
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when i hear ecological aspect or save the environment argument i always want to ask those people.... do you know where the bulk of that electricity comes from? hint hint... coal powered plant... google how much emissions do those plants throw out in the atmosphere burning that coal so that you can drive in the EV vehicle because you "care" about nature
@@oojas1987 I agree, also the process to manufacture many of the parts of the car (and the battery) are not environmentally friendly! You could always pay carbon offsets for the coal.
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I'm not sure if the price difference last year was $6k or not, but I just ordered one and the price difference between X540i and X545e was only $800. Given the 45e qualifies for the $7500 tax credit that makes the 45e $6700 cheaper which was a deciding factor for me. I'll just plug it every night in the garage and leave it in hybrid mode which should return 50mgpe. That is the thinking anyway
So, you will pay $10 to drive 30 miles? Shouldn’t be electric to be cheaper then gas? Even charging at home for $3 seems to be close to the gas.Not sure if I’m missing something here or this is the price to be “green”?
What you're missing is the gasoline engine part. You can't compare it to a Tesla or pure EV. It gives you that convenience of not having to charge it.
It's perfect for someone who commutes less than 30 miles. You can commute during the week on electric power and then drive it like a normal gas SUV on the weekends on road trips and things like that.
Many charging stations are free, so if I planned better, I could have charged it for free at city hall or near me at a UC campus. You could also install a charger at home, and then that charge would cost a lot less than paying at a public charger.
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Exactly: a gas vehicle with 30 mpg would cost about $3 for 30 miles and take 5 minutes. So no economy from that viewpoint. Charging at home should be cheaper, but how much? And the hybrid does recoup from regenerative braking, but it is hard to see that accounting enough to greatly reduce the $10 cost.
An ordinary hybrid like the new Venza gets between 35 & 40 mpg according to Fuelly.com. However, the Venza also uses a special Atkinson gas engine that it manages to operate at peak efficiency at all times. Which means its gas engine also is getting terrific mpg. So it is unclear how much gas is saved by using it to charge the battery.
It kinda looks like the battery advantage of the hybrid is largely due to being able to operate the gas engine this very efficient way and supplying the lacking torque from electric motors.
The bottom line is probably to avoid these charging stations as much as possible.
@@johnbrews9724 Great comment, thank you. I agree. We have a Prius (basic gasoline hybrid) and see an average of about 55 mpg.
And yes, avoid expensive public chargers. With proper planning you can charge at home or find free charging options.
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BMW and other car manufacturers are so far behind Tesla in battery and charging configuration. It is an absolute joke that it takes so much longer to charge this X5 45e battery at their max rate
@@edwardshim3573 Keep in mind it's a different battery and different system with a PHEV. You give up fast charging for the convenience of also having a gas engine. All PHEVs are the same, none of them have fast charging like a pure EV. Thank you for watching the video.
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Great review and solid responses. Really value the information
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Thank you very much for the video. I have 2 questions:
1. Does the hybrid mode work the same as a traditional hybrid car but you have the ability to run the car fully on the battery, correct?
2. If you don't charge the battery and just let it run in hybrid mode, can it still achieve 50 mpg? Will the car self charge the battery? If yes, how much battery volume can be charged?
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1. Yes, you can put it on battery-only mode and it has 30 miles of range.
2. Yes, the gas engine will recharge the battery but it does take a long time. I would think you need to drive hours and hours or hundreds of miles for it to recharge that way. Also they recommend you drive in Sport mode if you want to charge the battery as quickly as possible. The ideal thing is to charge it fully at home or at a public charger, then drive it normally and let the car decide on the power mode, using both electric and gas power. It's perfect if your commute is lessthan 30 miles. You can recharge at home and office, virtually drive for free during the week, then drive it as a regular SUV on the weekends.
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Congrats on this video which shows us the huge expense of using some charging stations.
Since I only had the car for two weeks, I didn't really investigate all the charging options. It may have been cheaper to use a different system (other than ChargePoint) and also there may have been cheaper options near me.
I used this charger because I live a block away and could leave the car to charge there for 5-6 hours and walk home while it charged. I wanted to see the time and cost for using a commerical charger like this one.
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@@FreddySherman é233
@@usmclongrangebrainsurgeon What does that mean?
@@FreddySherman Freddy this must have been a packer comment because I watched your video this morning as I pulled up to a charging station with my 23 x5 45e. Unfortunately they only had tier 3 chargers that didn't fit
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Can you program the car to start charging at a specific time? ie..if I have a level 2 at home and want to start at midnight for lower rate.
Yes, you can do that via the BMW app. You would connect it to the charger and then you can program the start time for the system. The software from some home chargers will also do the same thing for you.
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so in this case, isn't just using gas the cheaper option? assume you get 23-27mpg with gas and gas is maybe $3-$4 a gallon that's better than the $10 for 30 electric miles.
You are correct but there are a lot of variables. Many companies and cities have free chargers. This was a one time thing for me and if you use the charger frequently, I believe the rate would be lower.
It's also for people who want to reduce their carbon footprint and drive electric not with gas. They are more concerned with that than the cost.
Last thing is that some people do not charge it, they just drive it like a hybrid and let it recharge itself. You can't drive on electric only, but it helps the gas engine and gives you better mileage, like driving a Prius.
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So 30 miles range on battery alone, costs $10.00.Thats not vey economical.
It's about the flexibility and being able to use gas or electric. Also, many places offer free charging. When I use this charger late at night, it's slow, but it's free. This is great if you have a commute under 30 miles, so you can charge for free at home or work and then do your commute in electric mode. Weekends you can drive it like a normal SUV.
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Thank you. Just bought the car and know nothing about electric cars or charging.
That's funny and congrats!! But remember, you can drive it as a gas car and never pay attention to the electric part. Just fill it with gas like any other SUV and It will charge itself and give you better mileage.
But you can also geek out on the electric part and charge it up and monitor your mileage every mile. That's what I like, it adapts to whatever kind of owner it has.
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Charge 6 hours for only 41 electric miles? What a joke
You're missing the point. Don't compare it to a EV like a Tesla, compare it to a regular gas SUV. It's a hybrid so it's not designed for long range electric only. The electric motor helps you get better gas mileage and you have the option to drive it electric only for short distances. So you could drive on your commute in electric only mode all week, then take it on a weekend roadtrip like a gas SUV.
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I wonder how much a full charge costs at home?
It would depend on your local rates and the type of charger. You can plug it into a 110 wall socket, but I think it takes 12 hours to charge. If you got a fancy home charger, it's probably $3-$4. There are some free public chargers, I am going to use one at a Cal State location tomorrow.
2023 Continental USA home electric rates range from $.10 to $.31/kWh. In this video he paid $.48/kWh. A full charge takes ~23kWh assuming 45e's 21kWh USA useable capacity and a recharge efficiency of 90%. You'll need to pull out your electric bill and find your marginal rate then perform some 4th grade math to figure electric/gasoline equivalency.
Don't take me wrong, for $8 my 2004 first gen x3 goes 27 miles. I happen to know because my of my job distance. So does nothing.
It's really great for people who get free charging at their office and live less than 30 mi from their office. So if you were in that situation you would be able to drive it for free. Thank you very much for watching and please subscribe!
do you always have to recharge the battery if its low or i can just use gasoline?
No, that is the benefit of the PHEV. If you want, you can never charge it or even mess with the electric stuff. You can just fill it with gas and drive it, the electric motor will recharge gradually from the engine and give you better gas mileage.
@@FreddySherman hmmm im in a process of returning current lease for x5 and thinking about x5 50i but 45e sounds more and more intriguing... gotta consult my accountant now 🧐
@@oojas1987 I read the 45e is the biggest selling X5 now. It's great technology and ideal if your commute is less than 30 miles. You can drive to and from work almost for free on electric power and then use it as a regular gas SUV on the weekends!
@@oojas1987 you're not getting tax credit (7500 for x5 phev) if you decide to lease. Just 2 cents for you to decide
@@mlurkers interesting ty for heads up
Good video nevertheless!
Nevertheless, I say thank you!
So if you were to drive about 200 miles on electric, it'll cost $70 and waste 42 hours of your time?? 🤣 This is clearly intended for local commutes and charged at home OVERNIGHT.
Exactly right. It's not an alternative to a Tesla or EV. As you said, it's perfect for local commutes, especially if you have a fast charger at home and at work. Then it just gives you better mileage in general driving, like a Prius hybrid does.
But it's a beautiful BMW SUV and you can drive it normally and never ever pay attention to the battery and never plug it in either. That's the appeal.
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@@FreddySherman Yeah, it is a beautiful car, but the charging time is just not acceptable and it's the only deal breaker. I was seriously considering getting this over Model Y (because of the range anxiety) until I found out about the charging time.
@@wony69 But again, it's not a EV, you can't compare it to a Tesla. This is a hybrid so you always have the option of using gas, you are not required to charge it. It gives you convenience and options.
And sit at the charger for 6 hours!
Read my other response to your other comment. This is great if you can leave it to charge overnight at home or while you're at the office. It's not like a Tesla or EV that charges quickly, you give that up for the convenience of also have a gasoline engine.
The charge is more expensive
Much) than gasoline and much trouble to charge.
Keep in mind this is a retail charger and I don't do a lot of charging so the rate is the highest possible. Also these rates go up and down depending on peak hours.
If you had a home system it would be a lot cheaper. Also there are many free public chargers.
This PHEV is for someone who wants an EV but wants or needs the convenience of having a regular gasoline engine. You can drive this without even thinking about charging. It's really good if you have a commute less than 30 miles. Then you can charge cheaply at home, commute for free and drive it as a regular SUV on the weekends.
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No understanding of the vehicle. Crazy to use public charging. Get a level 2 home charger and if you run out of charge use the fricken 6 cylinder b58.
No understanding of the review. This isn't my car, it's a BMW press car they lend me to review. Not everyone has a home charger, so this shows what it's like to use a public one. A home one would not be any faster. Thanks for watching!
@@FreddySherman you better have a home charger with this car. Waiting for a charge does not make sense for a few miles. The gasoline engine is great. This is a hybrid can’t understand why a phev owner would go through the hassle of a public charge.
@@brucejohnson6507 I think the scenario would be if your commute was less than 30 miles and that way you would plug it into a public charger at your office to charge and then plug it in at home to charge overnight. Then yes as you've said you can just drive it as a regular gasoline SUV on the weekends or when you don't want to worry about charging. There is also free public charging, there's a university near me that offers it but as you said it's inconvenient having to wait for 6 hours. But it's meant to combine both technologies obviously so it's not going to be as easy to use as a full EV.
If charging is convenient and free why not charge, especially if the charge status won’t get you to the next destination. The level 2 charger (Wallbox) I recently installed
makes the charging process for my 45e much less of a hassle. Currently 2/3 of my mileage is on battery.
Fred seems to get defensive!
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You cant compare a EV with a Hybrid in charging. E.g Teslas charge up to 250kw your car and other hybrids go up to 4 kw/h as the only use their on board charger.
Yes, I am still learning about the whole ecosystem. I did see there is a 6.6 kWh charger near me, would that go faster? Also I did see on the BMW website it said 4-5.5 hours on a Level 2 charger for full charge. Thanks for watching the video, please subscribe I have a follow up charging video coming this weekend.
No, the BMW can only take the slow 3Kw charge@@FreddySherman
@@bfi33 Thank you, now I know that. I did see on the BMW website it even says 4-5.5 hours on a Level 2 charger.
Esh you wee
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WowW! This vid is an eye-opener for me. I mean, 5.5 hours at a public charging station is ridiculous,....I mean, I really don't want to buy a Tesla,...but BMW is making it quite easy for me to do so. I mean what does Tesla know about '"Fast Charging Technology" over other auto manufacturer's engineers? Hmm, apparently a LOT! Also, the charge rates appears to be high if you ask me. I mean, lets 28 miles of charge @ $10.11 is right at $0.36 per mile, and lets say if one got up to 41 miles out of the charge, then that equates to a cost of $14.80. So, lets say if my 2012 X5M got 15mpg,...@ $3.60 per gal! That equates to$10.80 for 45 miles vs $14.80 for 41 miles. Now, I already know that the 2020/2021 X5 40i,..yes, 40i gets way better MPGs than my 2012 X5M. But what the heck is going on with this mat,....what an I missing in all of this? Because I'm not seeing a reason now to jump to the X5 45e,...of which, I've teste driven 2 X5 45e M Sport vehicles.
You're missing the fact that the technology is different. The BMW PHEV gives you flexibility, you are not married to charging stations as it has a gas engine. You can drive it anywhere without regard to recharging, getting better mileage from the hybrid technology. You pay for that with slower charging.
Tesla is different, as it's all-electric.
Finally, this is a very expensive, retail charger and I am a not a frequent charger, so I pay high rates. I just wanted to use the closest system so I did not shop around for the best rates. Also, many chargers at work or school are free.
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@@FreddySherman You're welcome and thank you,...as I've watched nearly every X45e vid out there and not one hit on the charging info as you did! Perfect!
@@JMD535 thank you. I just had the pollstar too to review which is a fully electric car, designed to compete with the Tesla model 3. It can use that fast charging to give you a full charge in about 40 minutes, with a range of about 220 miles.
@@FreddySherman yes but your missing the fact that the hybrid engine model drastically reduces the gas mileage by like 20% if you choose to use the gas engine vs just having an all gas X5 which performs a better mpg.
@@derekderek2570 I know that. You're missing the fact that it's about the convenience of having both technologies on the same vehicle. You give up some things to have that convenience, like a faster charging time. All PHEV vehicles, from all manufacturers have similar charging times, it's not fast like a BEV vehicle.
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That's abysmal. BMW should be ashamed and embarrassed of their charging curve. My wife and I were very interested in this model but now it's scratched off our list of potential car purchases.
It's normal for PHEV vehicles. Remember you have the convenience of a gas engine, so that is the price you pay, slower charging than a BEV.
Looks like a case of sour grapes! With a $200 Level 2 EVSE, it charges in 5 -6 hours , more than enough for 99% of users who do less than 40 miles commute a day. The safety of gas is always there.
So you can afford an $80k BMW yet imagine yourself stopping to recharge every 30 miles? Clownworld.