Pushing 502hp VW Golf R Over its Limit! // Nürburgring
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro/Specs
03:36 Lap - Авто та транспорт
Was great to have you take it for some laps Misha! Despite the issues 😅 You’ll have to have another go once the next stage of upgrades are done
could the issue be the tune? I know some tuners on manual cars try make it so boost doesn't drop when the clutch is pressed in, since its happening on up shifts.
Hi, check that EPC issue, its not safe to have it on stock CJX.
I spoke with You at carpark ( close to GP track-red NURBURGRING neon) ( beg of june) how Your G7R changed in 2 years :D . Fast car and clean af imho!
Fast run Mischa !
It might be some electrical issues. Bad battery or a short. That can lead to many odd issues
@@jeroenvanos9653 vcds should tell easily
Luke why was I not surprised the car gave out !!
From what I've seen Misha destroys cars on a regular basis(or boils the breaks) 😅
This is my favorite channel as of 2023. Misha tha man
❤
Yep
Same I would love to just rip the ring all day
Agree misha is on a mission this year. Good to the views are up as they deserve.
Misha is very good entertainer and magnificent driver . If I see new video I get goosebumps
Haha. That dash looks like a pinball machine just tilted. 😂
LOL
Dashboard: what is the problem I should display?
Computer: yes
Normal VW things.
Water temperature 😂
Yoooo😂😂😂
It ain't a project car if you don't get random warnings and the "Christmas" lights on the instrument cluster every now and then
Words to live by!
still think to much tech can let you down and leave ya sticky. ill stick to old school.
@@thoughtbaker4639can let you down yes but also can save your engine or transmission by having safety parameters lol.
This! 😂
That piece of wiring dangling by the throttle is driving me insane...
Me too - probably that's the 4000rmp limiter switch.......
and slow brake pedal return. that car wasn't completely finished/tested for the track, imo, misha is beta tester here..
I thought it was just me 😂
It's the emergency ejector seat that's been disconnected badly and left to dangle
its just your FUSSRAUMLEUCHTENKABEL
Watching the video the ECU took the engine into protection mode during an 'over rev' when downshifting and the RPM topped 7000, or when upsifting with not enough throttle lift when dipping the clutch. Maybe time for a custom ECU so you have more control over the engine and can cut ignition over a set RPM if the clutch is depressed
Though you would assume stage 3 there is some custom ecu on there no?
If you watch the first incident around 6:00, you'll notice that RPM wasn't even 6000 when it failed.
I would guess some wiring is a bit loose and with G-forces combined with suspension shock, some electronics gets unhappy.
If you scan the control units, you'll probably find which part is have intermittent short to ground or open circuit.
Everything can be done on stock ECU
This is hapen when the oil temp is very high
@@autopower1165 very suspicious the temp needle do not move
man this guys videos of him driving is just getting better and better love it misha
I love how Misha goes from 0 to the moon with no mechanical sympathy lol
the car better be ready. not a knock but if you have issue its coming out on the Ring.
@@user-tu1ee6dc5f Yeah if you hand Misha the keys you know what you're getting yourself in for
It’s on the track, what do you mean?
@@jasonm.1370 car wasn’t 100 and was giving it the full beans regardless
@@user-tu1ee6dc5f I noticed my fuel pump was prematurely failing on the ring 3 weeks ago because of all the fuel cuts on right hand turns.
0:15 love the shots at the beginning with the music, great editing. And amazing how you run Misha
That pull behind the Porsche as you passed the Ford was blisteringly quick. Well done. I love my VWs.
Your channel has inspired a generation of racing drivers 💪 Thank you for sharing!
The 4000rpm warning seems to happen after violently bouncing the RPM’s of the rev limiter
Probably needs a software tune to adjust for the power or disable the 4000rmp limiter logic
It was nowhere near the limiter when it happened, so don't think your logic is sound on what's causing it, but it does need to be disabled in the software.
Was the car in limp mode partially? I haven't watched yet
@@lambo603 The limiter is upped by the tuner?
Most of these engines don't like it above 7000 RPM
And his observation is correct, most if not all where above 7K RPM when limp mode came on..
@@lambo603 i just rewatched and saw it happen the 1st time under hard braking without hitting the rev limiter…. Good eye 👍… I was just noticing it happening later on seeming like the fault would appear a second or 2 after bouncing off the rev limiter…. Now I’m wondering if it’s caused by the crank sensor after hitting rough spots or or tire slip
Love misha and his commitment to the ring. He’s living a dream that most of us can only imagine but the amount of hard work and time he has put in is incredible.
I would love to see this car again once the bugs get worked out… great built 👍
Thanks!
@@hampshirephoto how does your rear end hold up to the torque?
…I’m pushing 400hp at the wheel of my 2016 Mk7 manual Golf-R and it already went through one rear diff… though the zero point turns in the snow in winter two years in a row probably didn’t help.
But it still lasted to 96,000miles which now I’m at 100,800 miles
Yes for sure
@@KartiacKIDwhat have you been doing for haldex oil intervals? People who live in snowy climates have found the recommended intervals are too long since they are working the system much harder than those in warmer climates. I do mine at 25,000 mile intervals because of it.
@@flacjacket good to know, I did mine every 30,000 but I asked a lot from the back trying to slide it at any possibility…. Berry it in two feet of snow in ny over a weekend of snowboarding and drive it out, enjoy some snowy roads though I prefer oversteering rwd cars in the winter (I also love using the General stud able, non studded snow tires) …. But missed driving the e39 240i m-sport… much easier to control with just throttle input. The zero point turns in the snow don’t help either.
Definitely recommend replacing the plastic oil pan with a steal pan if you live in a snowy area especially when driving routinely at highway speeds on snowy interstates for the daily commute… or face the rath of semi truck ice chunks cracking it…. I was surprised the aftermarket steal oil pan help strong after jumping over a deer carcass by brenswick/medina area at night (no highway lighting) going 80mph and landing on the noise of the car unexpectedly… by the time I saw it when the passing another driver and it was better to jump it straight on then try and swerve, landing off balanced. Luckily, only damage the lower bumper, plastic lower grill, and slightly bent an oil cooler…with a skid mark and residual along the whole bottom center section from front to back and some residual deer stuff on the oil pan with a minor little ding.
I will eventually get a skip pad… probably using one from a recked allroad
Micha your content is of the charts this year. I love it!❤
The camera setup and dials here are perfection
I watched the owners video first and then this one, such a big difference in the camera quality on your lap. Your investment earlier in the year on equipment was well worth it.
There’s something about manual golfs that just sound and feel so much better, this was so satisfying to watch with headphones
Nice video. Haven't been following this build too much but looks well built
wow this looks like a handful to drive! Incredible as always Misha
The content lately has been incredible
Great project tuning and pushing the Golf to the limit 💯
It looked like the crank sensor and software reached its limits to prevent breaking the engine.
11:57 After that last cut, the light that nobody wants to see came on 😂
Love the sound of that R Misha always doing a good job of keeping it going no matter what
Meh sounds soft, need the OG R32 sound.
I loved his little smile the entire time riding on track!
This channel is so much fun. We live in such an epic time where one really can make money doing things they love. Your passion is showing.❤
Holly moly, thats fast, impressive, congrats to the builders.
Finally a high horse power Golf! bet you love the R32 Golf V Mischa
Finally a Golf R video I was waiting for this 🙏
Loved the layout in this video. The cameraviews, screens and the tacho and speedo in sight was nice. Also funny to see how Misha got the hang of the 4k rpm error in the end and switched the car off and on in an instance.
I love seeing the fancy foot work there mate ! Makes you appreciate your skills
The nurburgring is such an awesome place.
5:57 I wish I could see the other car's pov of Misha flying past them, that would look so rad 🔥
Misha absolutely mashing the accelerator
Golf R: 'computer says no'
great lap and excellent noises, thanks for the vid!
Love the exclusive blue arrows on the golf R's dash
I discovered this channel a week ago and im loving it. Seen already about 30 videos. Keep on the fantastic work.
I'm impressed by the camera. Pointed directly at the sun and no blacking or dimming at all.
the way it takes those corners...boy... smooth
Epc light is electronic power control module. Limits engine to 4k rpm to prevent engine damage. Same thing happened to me at 100F. Epc light started, kept resetting, then check engine light came on. Needed carbon cleaning and fried my coilpacks. Misfires in cylinder 1,3, and 4
Great intro bro ❤top tune
its insane how good Misha can drive in any car. really finding the limits everywhere.
Yeah he doesn't like RHD but he manages fine
@@productdesign9626i just realized it is the wrong side
Misha’s got it made. Gets to drive all these incredible cars on the best track in the world, and does every one of them justice by showing his viewers what the limits of these machine are, all while having the respect for the fact that they belong to someone else. What a fucking guy lol fav channel of 2023 for sure
Happy to see the channel grow so fast. You deserve it Misha! Very entertaining and high quality video's.
Don't know why but that dangling wire is triggering me 😂
I was watching with sunglasses on so I didn't notice until I read this.
Haha same here. 😂 was watching the wire whole time if it catches the shoe 😄
Love the content with the mk7💪
I'm subconsciously tensing up to fight against g-forces while watching your onboards XD. They do the job.
Awesome driving once again! would really love to see that R fly around the ring with full send once the car got its hickups sorted out :)
I could barely keep the base Scirocco pointed straight on the Ring. 👏👏
I’m here from Car Throttle and what a utube Chanel - love the vids!!!
Awesome to see the car out on the track. Factor the aeb radar on the front. Make sure that is clean and secure. If that is dirty or rattles around a bit it might cause the epc.
You are my Favorit youtuber tanks for the good videos ❤
My guess is it's over boosting on the up shifts peaking 7K+ RPMs just enough to active the overboost cut. At that critical shift point it just doesn't have anywhere to send all that boost pressure maybe an issue with the blow off valve not reacting fast enough.
FYI This is just a educated backseat diagnosis from 30+ years in the Auto repair industry.
Love the vids..I had 17 r and let me tell u…it was in the shop every other day
When Your car is Scared, it pulls out all the Excuses the ECU can Give!!! Awesome Drive! Definitely Tyres and Brakes Replacement experience.
Love this channel 🙌🙌
Looks like the EPC light turns on when tyhe power cut happens. Per VW it's one of these: Engine Speed Sensor Malfunction, Brake Light Switch Malfunction, Mass Air Flow Sensor Malfunction, Problem with the Cruise Control, or Problem with the Throttle System
I had the same problem with my seat leon cupra 5f.
when it goes into safety, it means that the oil level is too low because it has certainly degauged. it is a safety device to avoid breaking the engine......
Misha I feel like you drove this way harder than other cars I’ve seen you drive 😂
Awesome driving 😎
This car is too Good!
It needed a second lap to enjoy it more, loved the warnings on the dash 🤣
And that black porsche, Carrera GTS looks stunning!
Never seen one before
EPC light also does come on with the 4000rpm warning
Christmas lights on the dashboard. Well done Misha 💪🏻
Those are some crazy driving skills 👀💪🏻
the sound is amazing
Amazing video and lap, love the build of this Golf.
I was wondering, why sometimes it seems that you keep the gas slightly open while breaking at the same time?
I´m a honda guy, but i love the golf R. Such an amazing platform.
that thing is a beast, makes me want to build one & daily one
Even with all the issues on the lap, it was good to see you had full trust in the owner to turn off all the traction aids while you concentrated on the driving. That must make it at least a little bit easier
That 4000 rpm error that comes up is a common problem for tuned Golf’s/AE888.3 motors. My worker GTi (450bhp) also does it, weirdly in third gear and when hovering the throttle. I simply turn the motor off and on to clear it.
When a modified tune is added to the car there is a compatibility dysfunction that occurs where various other systems over ride/interfere with the computer. Tuners don’t and cannot tweak and modify all of the systems that are connected into the main engine management system and the risk is always that these systems ‘take issue’ with the changes ECU parameters (the tune) causing them to react.
In my car it is always the cruise control system and the fault codes we get are all showing this as a fuel cut. Despite that it may not be running it is still ‘alive and connected’ in the back ground.
We found that it can’t be overcome unless the main ECU is replaced entirely with an aftermarket unit. As long as there is continued use of the factory unit these sorts of issues occur. I’d recommend on a race car stripping all the factory wiring out and installing a proper ECU and you’ll see your issues go away.
On the issue of heat my GTi also runs into issues on the track despite having 3 oil coolers and a race radiator. The AE888.3 inherent issue is that it can heat up to untenable oil temps on hot runs on hot tracks. The solution is running more and larger coolers, emptying the engine bay of things that cram it up.
But other than that - welcome to squeezing the pup out of Golf’s. There is a reason why VW doesn’t push the boat out too far - the block is great but it has a bunch of weaknesses.
Bro is living the life
Ooooooo wee if vw made a stock track car this is what I imagined it would look like.
Genuinely awesome work and lovely finish, not over the top but just the right amount of oh yeah....
My 2 cent’s on the issue. 1 possible cause is that the wastegate gets somewhat stuck and causes an error, which brings a limp home mode. And restart remedies it at first but after a long time, even that does not work. I had the same issue on a 2015 Leon Cupra. Also the second possibility is coolant temp, the vw coolant gauge usually lies a bit, I have had cases on my current Cupra, when it shows coolant exactly as 90C but in reality is around 105C in live data. That also explains the sudden movement and changes of the temperature needle. Basically it has to be too hot for a certain time period to register at the gauge.
Would be an absolute hoot to drive, however feel like it'll need a rebuild after that thrashing 😂 goes alright for a 4pot👍
Tire pressure protection might be on, and disable RPM above 4000 in the ECU for security
Christmas Tree dashboard!😂 Steeringwheel on the wrong side … airbags disconnect 🙈 what a sheety experience wou had Misha 😃😃😂
Love the knowledge of the ring so you can push cars to the limit, maybe a crank sensor🤔
Guy has got Balls. This much Power on Stock internal 👍
Afaik, VW golf engines can handle a crap-ton more. There's an old GTI out there with 1200 HP on the original engine.
VW engines are way overengineered for the internals.
I can recommend do88 radiator for overheating issue, doing good job in skoda octavia with similar power
So damn and freaking cool that is a manual too!! Always get dissapointed when I see DSG, great trans and all, but so much cooler watching someone row some gears!
Appreciate the thumbnail telling the story, Christmas tree dash, Misha pissed about the Christmas tree dash, owner saying WTF, not again! Hahaha 😂
I know Misha really enjoyed this drive I remember his gti he tried to build
bit of a battle box haha, the 100-200 isnt very quick considering the weight and hp. but misha delivered as always great video mate
It could be a PCM issue. The extreme increase in power to the stock drivetrain and internals could be driving the computer insane. It’s detecting something but it doesn’t know what or why so it just goes into limp mode
Misha. I just started tracking as a regular thing. You absolutely made me a better driver just by watching your videos and your point of view on things. Such as lines, Throttle control , counter-steer and how to control the car under stress and compression. I can’t explain enough but I got a pass to road Atlanta and I’ve been loving this shit so much thanks to you.
Btw I have a 335is dct e92. On r888r. If I could ship my car to you to let you track it I would. I think you would like it
Full tank and that acceleration.. wow 😳 insane
Misha have you tried any of the Insta 360 products? I hated all the issues I had with various GoPros over the years so I got an Insta 360 One RS which I’ve been happy with. It’s a modular action cam so you can swap the lenses and whole camera around depending on what you need. It also seems to do better in the heat compared to the GoPros.
i was expecting a dsg one. but great build, great channel.
I think baffled sump may be the fix, high g’s may be starving the oil pickup and therefore creating low oil pressure? Just a thought, was happening on my 420bhp gti last week at the ring and it turned out my oil was less than half way between full and empty.. might be wrong but worth considering
I love the sound in this damnn
7:19 the coolant temp rises quite fast, and then lower quite fas as well, is there enough in the circuit ?
water pumps of these engines are notoriously bad
@@9-and-3 are there some upgrades for that ?
I gave u a like..... in years..... because your adverts this time were non obtrusive, and your camera's were exceptional, a reverse one would make it 100% 👍
the only reason i got rid of my golf R was heel-and-toeing on this thing is a nightmare coming from bmw's. Everything else was great with minor mods. Truly loved the car except for that one thing that really killed the joy given I love by some nice mountain passes with a lot of tight corners. Love the vid and still in awe how you managed to keep that front in check!
Yeah, Heel toe on BMW and Porsche with floor hinged throttle feels much better and more natural than most cars with the standard hinged above throttle pedal.
your channel it's amazing bro congratulations
greetings from spain a lot of gasss
It's very cool to see each cars from certain country are heavily pre! Want my country 🇲🇫 let me do the same !
The gearbox/clutch is probably overheating, EPC light went on which stands for Electronic Powertrain Control so maybe add more cooling to the gearbox/clutch?
Maybe is overboost protection. It enters in safe mode when the ECU realizes that the boost went over the programed and the EGT is to high.
At 7:26 you can see the temperature rising. I believe that the rev limiter safe mode thing could be because of crash sensors and something to do with the airbag warning systems
Thats the outdoor air temp, won't have any effect on the car warning lights
@@thewho9112 No it's not? Look at the gauge where the rev counter is, the outside temp is below the digital speedo.
At 8:41 he acknowledges the temp and tells Misha, I think he may have pointed out the Oil temp as Misha still cruised when the coolant temp came back down. Also that gauge in the cluster climbs and falls seriously quick, most likely not the most accurate.
@@Gobbbbb Oil temp dial is far from accurate, it's moving as the car rolls on a corner then levels back out, temp doesn't alter that quick. Actual temp can be displayed instead of the digital speedo, but they have chosen the speed in KM/H instead. It is reading 90 most of the time, I guarantee its 110 or higher
@@thewho9112 The gauge that's moving up and down rapidly is the coolant temp, not oil. I think he points to an Oil temp gauge in the centre that we cannot see (or maybe a more accurate coolant temp, not sure)
Misha is the best, I love this guy
If the car says “don’t go over 4k rpm” for five times, I don’t think that restart the engine to avoid the error and going full send is the best idea, maybe there is some kind of problem…!!The engine light also turned on the fifth time.
This how you not have to treat your car!
Im no Golf lover but that's one quick car when it's working
I think the problem comes when the front wheel slips and the back wheel got the grip making the rear differential slips it's clutches so the car gets in limp mode.