It is great to have so many options. For the F6 length, if you are going to do chopping, go 3V for sure. If you got the $ do 3V for your F6 and then Magnacut for your 3-4" blade if you can get a second. According to Larrin's own guidance, go 14c28n or 3v for toughness. 3V he rates out of ten: edge retention 4.5, toughness 9, corrosion resistance 5.5, ease of sharpening 6.5. For 14c, 3, 9, 8.5, 8 and then Magnacut 5, 7, 9.5, 6. So 3V vs 14c the 3v gives you better edge retention. But as these guys stated, that geometry is going to be key to your task and whether it is effective.
@@jeffrey-ye9qv I got used to using Mora knives for years,tried to replace those Moras multiple times.pretty much everything I tried to replace them with,I didn’t feel like they performed as well as the cheap Moras.I finally decided to try Bark River to see what the fuss was about. When I got it in the mail,it was clearly a nice well made knife but I was a little disappointed by its thickness.it seemed a little thicker than I wanted after using much thinner bladed Moras.I immediately went out to test it out and I was blown away.that Scandi convex grind is unbelievable
A neighbor of mine knows I'm a knife nut and gave me an Appalachian Trail Hunter. I knew it was a cheap knife, but it felt REALLY good in the hand and has a nice Hunter drop-point profile and full tang, so I accepted it with gratitude. I think it's 440C or some inferior steel, but I put that puppy on a strop, and it came to HAIR POPPING in minutes, lol. It also gets dull just as quick. I have a leather sheath that fits it and carry it all the time. I can strop it back to hair-popping in minutes every week. I actually carry it more than my 'super steel' knives now because it's so easy to keep scary sharp. It's something I would give to my 10 year old son (if I had a son) and show him how to maintain it because it's so easy. If he lost it, no problem because it's a $20 knife. People buy these expensive knives and talk about edge retention and super steel, but a good, sharp knife will beat out an expensive, dull one every day.
I have neither in a fixed blade, but I do have Triple heat treated 52100, CPM Cruwear, & S390...and an completely satisfied enough not to bother with either 3V OR Magnacut....
Off the top of my head I’d go magnacut for food prep a boat knife or anything that will have my blade around liquid a lot and 3v for most of everything else carving batoning etc. I must admit that I’ve never used magnacut but I do have a few blades in 3v 😊.
I love in the tropics and rust kills everything fast. Corrosion first for the tropics. If it rusts out I can’t chop much. I also own a TRC Polheim in magnacut and it’s real nice. Great video guys 🫡
Magnacut is overall a more balanced steel than 3V, it's really as simple as it depends on the size of the blade. If I'm going to do a lot of chopping with my 10 inch kukri I would much prefer it to be in 3V than magnacut because of the added toughness, but for a 6 inch blade magnacut is a nobrainer for the extra edge retention. Obviously both are fantastic steels for both sizes, especially if heat-treated relevantly but just raw steel properties dictate what I said.
All of my knives over 6'' (fobos tier1C etc) are 3V but none of my knives under 5'' for detail work. I like Magnacut, D2, and CTS-XHP for my smaller knives. I could however chop down a tree or dig a hole in a rock field with the 6.5'' 3V knife.
This was a great Video Eric, I appreciate the topic and I believe there can be much discussion to be had, Personally, I believe the Maker is more important than the Steel. A Very GOOD 3V forger will run circles around a Beginner Mag. Forger...I think Magnacut needs time to mature, then it will be best.
So, after considering the conceptual aspects of steel types and blade geometry, would you generalize that for hard-use tasks and "survival" in general, toughness and field-sharpening ability are more important than edge retention and corrosion resistance? I'm trying to decide between an Architect Knives AK6.5 in Magnacut or 3V, the Lionsteel T6 (3V), and the Becker BK82 (Magnacut). I have a selection of other "survival" knives in 1095 and 3V, but I want "the one" that will withstand hard use in case the world "goes south!"
Hello Mister Eric et Jacob, between Reiff F6 and Phobos 1 tier BC or Benchmade anonimus for the weight, which one is your favorite for one knife option to go in the Woods or trekking ? I liked your collaboration so much.
IMo.. Currently….The smart play is keep the 3V and the magncunters can have fun overpaying while the steel eventually comes down in fanboi price. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
A whole $30 more for magnacut vs. 3V, wow....It's really just a wash at this size. Magnacut prices aren't going anywhere. For blades this size, edge retention is negligible as they said. For smaller blades, magnacut > 3V, so to call it "overpaying" is just absurd and bias.
There's plenty of videos showing rusted 3v blades. So, magnacut is great for people who want a decently tough blade with great edge retention and stellar corrosion resistance.... Just because you don't want to pay an extra few dollars for an objectively better product doesn't mean someone else won't pay for it.... And you sound like such a 3v fanboy with short hands and deep pockets.
@@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223 there are custom makers who aren’t over charging for magnahype. Magnacut has better corrosion resistance, slightly better edge retention, plenty of toughness, and much much better fine edge stability. Magnacut makes an amazing thin ground knife that never needs any babying or basic care asides from edge maintenance. I’ll take a 62-64rc magnacut edc, food prep or hunting blade over a 60rc 3v blade all day every day
Not even he suggests using Magnacut for toughness, he likes 14c28n for that. Magnacut is the best balanced steel and can be heat treated to a variety of hardness too. Edge retention, go S90V.
It's all marketing. If it wasn't for money there wouldn't be a markup. So explain using a steel with less toughness? 14c28n is very balanced as well and is much better priced. I've yet to see someone prove magnacut holds up better then 14c28n. Corrosion resistance is just marketing. If you use your tools they don't rust. Just ask any mechanic. Corrosion resistance is for safe queen because they are never used. I don't believe any knife is worth $200 that's just ridiculous for a production knife. But I'm actually able to make my own knife.
there most definitely is mark up, but magnacut costs more and is more expensive to grind than 14c. If by saying 14c "holds up" as well as magnacut means its as tough, then correct..14c is tougher at 61-62 at least. I am a big, big fan of aebl/14c for hard use knives but I also really love magnacut. Some people actually live by salt water but ya 14c has plenty enough corrosion resistance for 99% of uses. $200 is a bit steep for a production knife unless its pretty damn big, but I am fine spending $200 on a nice custom. about $250 is prob my max im willing to go, and I appreciate knives that are in a lower cost bracket for sure. All that I guess to just say...both steels are amazing. If you can find a nice 14c knife much cheaper..dont hesitate. Hopefully hype falls back a bit after a while and people stop marking up MC so much
Corrosion resistance IS important to lots of us who keep a knife in a car kit or emergency bag. Those knives are stored for a year or more in the sheath and inside a container. I use my pocket knife and my carving knife a lot every day but the emergency kit in my wife's car gets maintenance once a year and used once every few years for an emergency.
It is great to have so many options. For the F6 length, if you are going to do chopping, go 3V for sure. If you got the $ do 3V for your F6 and then Magnacut for your 3-4" blade if you can get a second. According to Larrin's own guidance, go 14c28n or 3v for toughness. 3V he rates out of ten: edge retention 4.5, toughness 9, corrosion resistance 5.5, ease of sharpening 6.5. For 14c, 3, 9, 8.5, 8 and then Magnacut 5, 7, 9.5, 6. So 3V vs 14c the 3v gives you better edge retention. But as these guys stated, that geometry is going to be key to your task and whether it is effective.
I have a Bark River Bushcrafter in CPM-3V and that thing is amazing
same in my bark river mini aurora
@@jeffrey-ye9qv I got used to using Mora knives for years,tried to replace those Moras multiple times.pretty much everything I tried to replace them with,I didn’t feel like they performed as well as the cheap Moras.I finally decided to try Bark River to see what the fuss was about.
When I got it in the mail,it was clearly a nice well made knife but I was a little disappointed by its thickness.it seemed a little thicker than I wanted after using much thinner bladed Moras.I immediately went out to test it out and I was blown away.that Scandi convex grind is unbelievable
I have bushcrafter too and can sell in Europe, want to buy kephart 4 instead
A neighbor of mine knows I'm a knife nut and gave me an Appalachian Trail Hunter. I knew it was a cheap knife, but it felt REALLY good in the hand and has a nice Hunter drop-point profile and full tang, so I accepted it with gratitude. I think it's 440C or some inferior steel, but I put that puppy on a strop, and it came to HAIR POPPING in minutes, lol. It also gets dull just as quick. I have a leather sheath that fits it and carry it all the time. I can strop it back to hair-popping in minutes every week. I actually carry it more than my 'super steel' knives now because it's so easy to keep scary sharp. It's something I would give to my 10 year old son (if I had a son) and show him how to maintain it because it's so easy. If he lost it, no problem because it's a $20 knife. People buy these expensive knives and talk about edge retention and super steel, but a good, sharp knife will beat out an expensive, dull one every day.
I’d like to see JoeX get his hands on both flavors and really put them to the test.
He won’t cause they won’t break
Idk, when he takes them to the bunker n breaks out the 9mm and the 5.56 thay can only take so much...@A.D.D.O.C.D.T
I just watched JoeX destroy a Bradford G5 in 3V
Is there a knife Joe X can’t destroy?
I have neither in a fixed blade, but I do have Triple heat treated 52100, CPM Cruwear, & S390...and an completely satisfied enough not to bother with either 3V OR Magnacut....
cru wear is another underrated and under used steel.
Off the top of my head I’d go magnacut for food prep a boat knife or anything that will have my blade around liquid a lot and 3v for most of everything else carving batoning etc. I must admit that I’ve never used magnacut but I do have a few blades in 3v 😊.
I love in the tropics and rust kills everything fast.
Corrosion first for the tropics.
If it rusts out I can’t chop much.
I also own a TRC Polheim in magnacut and it’s real nice.
Great video guys 🫡
You could drop Magnacut in the ocean for a few days, and it would be fine. Fantastically corrosion-proof steel, close to LC200N, imo.
Magnacut is overall a more balanced steel than 3V, it's really as simple as it depends on the size of the blade. If I'm going to do a lot of chopping with my 10 inch kukri I would much prefer it to be in 3V than magnacut because of the added toughness, but for a 6 inch blade magnacut is a nobrainer for the extra edge retention. Obviously both are fantastic steels for both sizes, especially if heat-treated relevantly but just raw steel properties dictate what I said.
very good points! may be obvious to some but not all, good video!
“You’re a superstar!” Thanks I needed that! 😂
All of my knives over 6'' (fobos tier1C etc) are 3V but none of my knives under 5'' for detail work. I like Magnacut, D2, and CTS-XHP for my smaller knives. I could however chop down a tree or dig a hole in a rock field with the 6.5'' 3V knife.
Great collab
This was a great Video Eric, I appreciate the topic and I believe there can be much discussion to be had, Personally, I believe the Maker is more important than the Steel. A Very GOOD 3V forger will run circles around a Beginner Mag. Forger...I think Magnacut needs time to mature, then it will be best.
So, after considering the conceptual aspects of steel types and blade geometry, would you generalize that for hard-use tasks and "survival" in general, toughness and field-sharpening ability are more important than edge retention and corrosion resistance? I'm trying to decide between an Architect Knives AK6.5 in Magnacut or 3V, the Lionsteel T6 (3V), and the Becker BK82 (Magnacut). I have a selection of other "survival" knives in 1095 and 3V, but I want "the one" that will withstand hard use in case the world "goes south!"
7:44 how much does corrosion factor into edge retention in the scenarios?
"Dude, I want to start a knife brand". Dead on.
the best thing about magnacut coming out is making 3v and s35vn more affordable
Hello Mister Eric et Jacob, between Reiff F6 and Phobos 1 tier BC or Benchmade anonimus for the weight, which one is your favorite for one knife option to go in the Woods or trekking ? I liked your collaboration so much.
@@keefranhaka74-pb7kq I would say it depends on your use needs. What will you be doing with the knife? Food or wood processing?
They are very nice knifes but how much are they sir.
About $400 either steel.
I would pick the one closest to me...
I like CruWear and 3V way more than MagnaCut 🍻🔪
The difference is $15. The sharp spine is worth that much to me.
Where are you guys? Pacific NW? 🤔
Ky
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Whoops! No offence. British, lol.
@@snesleywipessqueegeeservices no prob!
Awesome Collab👍👍🇺🇸🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔥🔥🔥
IMo.. Currently….The smart play is keep the 3V and the magncunters can have fun overpaying while the steel eventually comes down in fanboi price. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Love Reiff knives too! 👊
A whole $30 more for magnacut vs. 3V, wow....It's really just a wash at this size. Magnacut prices aren't going anywhere. For blades this size, edge retention is negligible as they said. For smaller blades, magnacut > 3V, so to call it "overpaying" is just absurd and bias.
There's plenty of videos showing rusted 3v blades. So, magnacut is great for people who want a decently tough blade with great edge retention and stellar corrosion resistance.... Just because you don't want to pay an extra few dollars for an objectively better product doesn't mean someone else won't pay for it.... And you sound like such a 3v fanboy with short hands and deep pockets.
3V.
Ill take 3v over the hype of magna cut any day of the week.
your loss
@@ShoahBiz loss of what? A steel that's surely overrated? A loss of how much inflated the price of it is? No I don't think I'm losing out on anything
@@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223 there are custom makers who aren’t over charging for magnahype. Magnacut has better corrosion resistance, slightly better edge retention, plenty of toughness, and much much better fine edge stability. Magnacut makes an amazing thin ground knife that never needs any babying or basic care asides from edge maintenance. I’ll take a 62-64rc magnacut edc, food prep or hunting blade over a 60rc 3v blade all day every day
@@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223 if you just like thigh edged beater knives then sure you won’t mind the difference
@@ShoahBiz his opinion which i agree with and respect your reply is weak
except Larrin, who needs magnacut? not a user.
Not even he suggests using Magnacut for toughness, he likes 14c28n for that. Magnacut is the best balanced steel and can be heat treated to a variety of hardness too. Edge retention, go S90V.
Someone who wants 4V level stats with a stainless steel.
It's all marketing. If it wasn't for money there wouldn't be a markup.
So explain using a steel with less toughness?
14c28n is very balanced as well and is much better priced.
I've yet to see someone prove magnacut holds up better then 14c28n.
Corrosion resistance is just marketing. If you use your tools they don't rust. Just ask any mechanic.
Corrosion resistance is for safe queen because they are never used.
I don't believe any knife is worth $200 that's just ridiculous for a production knife. But I'm actually able to make my own knife.
Larrin's own testing says 14c28n is tougher, but Magnacut has better edge retention. But again, edge geometry is the BIGGEST factor.
there most definitely is mark up, but magnacut costs more and is more expensive to grind than 14c. If by saying 14c "holds up" as well as magnacut means its as tough, then correct..14c is tougher at 61-62 at least. I am a big, big fan of aebl/14c for hard use knives but I also really love magnacut. Some people actually live by salt water but ya 14c has plenty enough corrosion resistance for 99% of uses. $200 is a bit steep for a production knife unless its pretty damn big, but I am fine spending $200 on a nice custom. about $250 is prob my max im willing to go, and I appreciate knives that are in a lower cost bracket for sure. All that I guess to just say...both steels are amazing. If you can find a nice 14c knife much cheaper..dont hesitate. Hopefully hype falls back a bit after a while and people stop marking up MC so much
Corrosion resistance IS important to lots of us who keep a knife in a car kit or emergency bag. Those knives are stored for a year or more in the sheath and inside a container. I use my pocket knife and my carving knife a lot every day but the emergency kit in my wife's car gets maintenance once a year and used once every few years for an emergency.