6 DEVS Make a HORROR GAME without COMMUNICATING!
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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PLAY The Centipede: blackthornprod-games.itch.io/...
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Made by:
Blackthornprod: www.youtube.com/@Blackthornpr...
Kyle Banks: www.youtube.com/@kylebanks/vi...
Codeer: www.youtube.com/@Codeer/videos
AIA: www.youtube.com/@AIAdev/videos
Phibian: www.youtube.com/@i_am_phibian...
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0:00 - Intro
0:27 - Liam (Blackthornprod)
1:04 - Kyle Banks
3:06 - Codeer
4:53 - AIA
7:26 - Phibian
9:24 - Noa (Blackthornprod)
10:47 - Conclusion - Ігри
100 devs edition! Would you rather a multi - episode series or ONE LARGE video at the end of the year?
Multi series please
Definitely series,I need more of this kind of content and it would be nice to see just how each developer changes the game
Multi series bro
In a series you'd be better able to highlight the individual devs' work. I like that better
Series, I need something to watch while eating dinner.
I feel sorta bad for Phibian. He was obviously pretty proud of his story contributions, even keeping the ending a secret, only for it to now be a secret forever as it was all thrown out.
Yeah I feel bad for all the other devs, but I had completely forgotten about the secret ending and now that you mentioned it being thrown out were we will never see it makes me feel REALLY bad for Phibian. 😢
WHAT WAS THE ENDING OMFG😭😭😭😭😭
i was thinking the same thing
thanks noa😤
Hearing noa acting so proud of his complete botch job while he tries to narrate and talk about it in lowered overly interested tone , like hes convinced hes created some sort of john carpenter esque horror masterpiece lmao. His tone really comes off as "and now for the moment youve all really come here for, for the thing that really elevates this into something more".
Meanwhile, literally nobody likes the generic garbage hes clearly so in love with. Ruined what was shaping up to be something genuinely cool. Not only that, but gave himself a very self masturbatory long ass time to waffle on at us about his artistic process and how horrified we should all be at his "genius" centipede creation, lmao. Absolutely embarrassing.
Developers: make a good horror game with a good story
Noa: _throws it out the window_
Noa: *centipede bossfight.*
Feels like this should be a running gag, but it's ruining the game.
Don't get me wrong. There is time and space for a centi-thing, but it ruins the fun if this comes up almost every time.
What a downer.
*swallows blue pill*
* moves on*
@@elmonitorrr2978 yeah, it was such an interesting game. It'd have been way better if Noah just made some kind of realistic monsters that make you lose sanity instead of changing the whole game and its concept.
ye and where did the crossbow come from? like it was a hospital man not a medieval castle
The problem wasn't the centipede, the problem was coming in as the 6th developer and not bothering to take the time to understand the work done before you. Like if you're the 2nd developer, go on, go ahead, add in a dancing penguin, its still the brainstorming phase and there are no wrong answers; but you're the 6th, you are supposed to complete the work, not toss it out.
exactly! he literally just threw the other's work into the bin like nothing. I was so excited to see Phibian's secret ending too :(
I remember that video lol
I feel like this could be mitigated by doing this in pairs; like, instead of going Dev 1, then Dev 2, then Dev 3, you have Dev 1 and Dev 2 working together, then move on to Dev 2 and Dev 3 working together, then Dev 3 and Dev 4, et cetera... that way there's always someone from the previous version to keep things on track.
@@captaincomic8678 I think that would ruin the whole 'not communicating' theme since figuring out what the previous devs are thinking and add your own twist is part of the charm too. I think they should just enforce a rule that if something is in the game, the dev can not outright scrap it. They can try to alter it to some extend but not outright removing or changing it completely.
I like how a Dev who thinks they have a better idea has the freedom to follow through with it. As a Dev, you should not be pigeon holed into just working on what is already there, but doing what you believe the game needs. When the last dev got rid of all the enemies for one, it made it scarier.
"Sadly I didn't realize I had to scrap the story of the other devs because it didn't fit *_my vision"_*
-noa aka the last dev in the creative pipeline
That really is the worst part, because he seems genuinely convinced that his vision is what ultimately matters, which...sure, his vision is technically what decides the ultimate state of the game, as he's the last developer, but it's weird that he didn't seem to consider that it didn't fit *his* vision because it was made in the combined visions of *others* , and that he might have to tinker with his to slide it into place
I said it in another comment response already, but he was the only developer treating this like it wasn't a multi-developer project, and yet, he was the one tasked with deciding the end result-
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He didnt say that, he said that it didnt fit the centipede idea, also, he made the game so much better, it was shit before he implemented his art style and unique creativity into the game.
@@FalloutShelter-hs6lo You are missing the point. Scrapping other people's idea and work for your own idea is not only rude and narcissistic, but also wastes the other dev's effort and directly disrespects them.
Kyle: I removed those sanity packs and made it so you can only regain sanity by consuming enemies
Codeer: The only way to regain sanity is consume enemies, im going to add sanity packs
That was funny
Foreshadowing to everything else being removed.
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Having no Communication kinda fucked it up
@jaredjosephsongheng372 I think it's part of the charm, getting to see different devs opinions. I'm personally on team "no sanity packs" but I can't begrudge the next dev wanting them.
I gotta agree with the other comments here. While I appreciate the work Noa put in, he basically swept the entire game under the rug to fit his own vision. I'm a bit disappointed.
Something that bothers me is that simplified centipede in the thumbnail which isn’t even in the video as far as I saw. I can imagine if it had showed the actual game before he touched it in the thumbnail it would’ve been a little too obvious how much of the game he changed lol
Exactly this. Just pooped all over it with his one-trick-pony style drawings.
Also the games always ends up with their own style, which is a bit saturated. I’m not a fan of it but it was a bit overused, would be nice to let other people “own” the art styles.
that’s the whole point of the series… without proper communication, these types of things tend to happen on the development of anything!
@@oiacopas yeah but whyoring away all the work and thing peaple have done isn’t a product of no communication it’s the sighn of someone who doesn’t get what their doing
This is like five artists made an amazing artwork together and then the sixth one comes in and dunks a bucket of white paint over it all and paints a new artwork.
I mean it's kind of a perfect microcosm of gamedev, where Noa would normally be an exec who heard about some idea instead of a dev.
@@Shemegory Omg if that ain't the truth
@@Shemegory Dude Noa is literally that isn't he like he is always wear a suit and tie looking like Corpo rat
5 DEVS Make a HORROR GAME and the 6TH DEV throws it IN THE TRASH!
LMAO
ree he he he he he he
he made it waaay better imo
GUYS ITS AN OPINION, the game just feels unfinished without his changes. Yes, he did remodel the game entirely, but I like his version more. ONCE AGAIN AN OPINION
@@Straline.no?
@@Straline.r u sure about that? not everything has ot be a basic hack and slash shooter by all means that is the opposite of what it should have been the last dude trashed the story horror games are suppose to be surrounded in mystery and a story for the player the figure out instead of "ooh centipead kill it"
Liam made a basic idea,
Kyle reinforced the idea and made gameplay adequate,
Codeer upgraded the style,
Aia made the game "A game",
Phibiah developed the soul of the game further,
And Noa ruined everything from previous devs and turned unique horror game into dark souls with budget of 5 cents
yep
Funny how kyle removed the sanity pack and codeer added it back
I think it actually went downhill with Codeer, because instead of focusing on what was given he just plastered extra resources. Mixing that with the idea that, if Noa didn't add shooting mechanics - this could have been a nice escape centipede game, when running through maze type of game. Especially imagine if that original light mechanic was present - having a Game Over where you look everywhere and Centipede is circling you down, would be an actually fresh horror game experience. More like Little Nightmares instead of Monster Hunter.
lmao notice how he also added the centipede to the early version of the game in the thumbnail
@@mjm3091 bro this video was too make a horror game with 6 devs, all of them having to share the glory of making the game in a few short hours, they could add whatever they wanted, but what Noa did was not sharing the credit, he basically changed the whole game, adding of what seems to be a boss, changing the art style, and changing the story of the game. And there’s a lot of games already with a boss like that, for example Choo Choo Charles, he may not be everywhere but he’s a big factor in the game. So Noa made the game into an generic horror game, not being fresh. Also Little Nightmares is nothing like this game. Oh dear I turned this into a paragraph-
Everyone: "Hey we made this cool game with innovative gameplay, a story and nice looking pixel art to suit the immersion of a horror game"
Noa: "Mmm yes time to scrap everything to make a generic shooter, change all the gameplay mechanics and slap my artstyle on it"
certified popular youtuber moment
Noa made the game 🔥
@@cheeseguy7322 dumpster fire
@@cheeseguy7322 a house fire, sprouted from a microwave in a dumpster ignited by a coyote
Slap my art style on it isn't a problem, though everything else is.
Noa took "not communicating" to whole another level.
Yeah, you can not communicate and still recognise and respect the work that came before... I'm glad in his more recent videos it's been less of an issue.
@@willemmmmm mostly because in most of these videos he isn't one of the devs
@@llamadrama1090 thank god
I genuinely felt a pit form in my stomach when I saw that Noa scrapped so much content from the previous devs and took the game in a completely different direction. Even the thumbnail is misleading to fit Noa's vision of the game. I was having a lot of fun binging this series up until this point. This went a step beyond the misunderstandings that the devs had in the previous videos. This was a video of one of your guys completely discounting the work of every single one of your guest developers and turning what they had pieced together into a completely different, utterly unrelated experience, and quite frankly much poorer experience. I am highly disappointed with how Noa handled this project, and I am glad to see most of the comments calling him out as well. Take the negative reception you've received from this video and expand on and refine this series idea in the future. Every guest developer you invite to work on these projects in the future deserves more respect and appreciation than what you have shown them here.
Seriously it wasn't even a misunderstanding or anything it was just selfish and frankly mean.
i aint reading allat
Good comment, I agree. I have seen Noa do similar things in the past too. Def shouldn't be participating anymore. That was messed up. He even took the time to read and look at it all. And still scrapped it... made the game a mess too. So much going on and I couldn't tell what the hell he was doing... a crossbow? Wtf 😅
Womp womp, noa made the game cool.
@@twisted_0Just read the first 6 sentences
Noa, if the rest of the devs work doesnt fit your idea, reshape your idea!!
The game had an effective thematic layer, and a gameplay goal that meshed well with it. The idea of scavenging and surviving and being uncertain what's real and whats not. and then you take all that out and make them fight a big centipede.
Agreed
yeah, feels like an absolute lack of respect for the other devs, who all did great and tried their best to add something to the game they got. it negates the spirit of the pass the game challenge for me... its like liam just passes it to noa
I like the centipede honestly and I think he just did not see the notes. I completely understand your frustration tho it is kinda whack
It seems to me that Noah just wants to push his artstyle and promote it and not care so much about video idea of 6 devs making game together.
@@Flahtort yeah thats a point dude
I totally get that there's zero communication and that the story notes were probably easy to miss, but Noa must have at least noticed the sanity and vision mechanics and the hospital theme and art style. Throwing all that out to turn it into an action game with the typical Blackthornprod art style was pretty lame.
Technically the hospital theme and art was still there, so was the sanity mechanic. The vision mechanic was long gone.
I agree at that point a lot of the other developers hard work was scrapped which was sad to see.
it could’ve been something unique but then it was ”big monster scary you go shoot it while unlocking rooms”
And he could read the code, where he would of course see that there is some notes or something there, he just opened the game, looked and made what he likes, he didn't want to maintain the original ideia on the game, that is sad really
@@vitorluisdias908 true all the other developers kept changes to a minimum and mainly made additions. The first thing he does is make changes and he kept doing so until the game lost its originality.
Ok, couple of rules to add.
1. Each dev is permitted one asset deletion, like when that guy deleted the coins.
2. If the game arrives to you with an art style or story that people have clearly put significant time into you are not permitted to completely redo it all.
So in this video Noah would have been disqualified and either Phibian's would be considered final version or Phibian's would be passed on to a more respectful dev to finish.
I completely agree with this rules!
I agree with these rules
You really made rules to disqualify the owner of this channel from his own video lmao
@@thrpotatoasfgfejfidieiidkr7071 this is rules to stop what happened in the video from happening again
@@thrpotatoasfgfejfidieiidkr7071 he deserves it, he's a literal joke of a developer
The absolute gall to put a centipede prototype into the thumbnail is really something else. Almost feels like a delusion where he thinks a centipede was always in all developers' vision
He sees centipedes that aren't there, he's in a psych ward after all
"Haha oops, didn't notice the other devs had made a game so I kinda scrapped the whole thing to make my own, whoopsie"
It was really interesting to see the game evolve right up until my man just scrapped the whole thing. Imagine going through all the work of writing story and recording and editing your own voice lines just for the guy after you to delete literally all of it.
The last man changed the title, the objective, the enemies, the mechanics, everything...
Like- centipede idea is cool and all, but the game the other devs made together just got deleted by the last guy :(
I'm overreacting about it but still, it just seems silly 😔
Last guy I still talented and did an impressive amount of work in his time slot, so don't think I'm just trashing on him, I just think his approach was off :P
Ah yes the removed enemies
Red circle
Small red circle
Big red circle
Real scary enemies huh
@Bunny.Lov3r 1) they didn't have a whole lot of time to do that
2) the game was about not seeing them, I dont really think that it's a good idea for that (I don't know)
3) the whole concept was the atmosphere, the tension, adding details to the enemies doesn't really add to that
And 4) if you were playing that game, im sure you would get scared or at least start getting jumpy playing the game, you never know till you do it ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌ (whoops, writing error, fixed)
@@LvrKiKo You do realize that's fixed with... a simple adding of art? If he made the centipede but didn't add art and it was just a line of red circles you'd say the same thing.
noa kinda just messed it up
@@LvrKiKo so?? He literally could have just added neat pixel sprites rather than a completely new singular enemy! Fun Fact: the game was not done when Noah got it and graphics are very much done towards the end of the game!
Seeing AIA finding a vision for this project enlightened me, while Phibian's enhancements were great, I was disappointed by Noa literally scrapping the whole game and creating a worse, more generic experience.
I was looking for this comment 😞
Same. No shame against Noa, though.
I feel the exact same way, kind of disappointed as well. He legit changed the entire game.
Yeah, I love Noa's graphics, but he didnt have to change the whole game
yeh, the spirit of the pass the game challenge for me is to build upon the game you get, not just throw it all out... ofcourse sometimes stuff gets removed that does not fit. but if a dev already made artwork and a story and stuff its just disrespectful to throw that all out... especially because i thought it was really cool ^^
Liam's version: *nods head*
kyle's version: Mhm, neat
Codeer's version: Ohhhh
AIA's version: yeaaa im feelin' it
Phibian's version: YES YES YES
Noa's Version half way through: oh... well you cant win em all
Noa's version all the way through: ...Bruh
You should really allow Phibian to release his version of the game too. It's a shame a lot of his/the other devs work and the story he built is now gone because you just wanted to make your own thing. I'm glad you've seemed to have learnt from this experience, but allowing him to release that version too seems like the fair thing to do, especially with a channel that has become increasingly focused on collaboration and team building amongst devs.
I hate how Noa just got rid of the story and put in a stupid centipede. That's not what building on previous developemens means.
Although I do think your being a bit harsh here, I didnt really like the turn Noa did aswell. This game had as a "main thing" the light and sanity, avoiding monsters. But then it turned into a bossbattle.
@@Luukskywalker I disagree not harsh enough he’s one of the developers in these videos who ignores everyone but himself and that sucks he should be removed from these videos
@@christiandidonna8808 But it's his channel though
@@Luukskywalker then shall he perish.
( edit :his game not him )
@@christiandidonna8808 wow making a game with other people with no communication and ruining their idea since they didn't tell them the story and how it's supposed to be played?
Noa should quit being a game dev fr fr
How about the following idea: 1 developer creates a game in 5-6 hours, then the game is given to 2 people, they work on it for 6-7 hours, and from each of them the game is given to 2 more people. In general, you get 4 games made from the 1st. It will be interesting how they will differ?
Everyone like this comment to get this to the top
This!
that's actually a great idea
GREAT IDEA!!
I love this idea
I was pretty ok with the centipede until I heard they changed the story. I wanted to see a man whose grappling with their sanity, whose mind has conjured a long extremely long monster that you could see wherever you look, I wanted to see the story before it was altered at the end because it was cool and when I heard he scrapped it and turned it into a shooter I was so put off. I was SO READY to play it :
Bro really said, “Skip, skip, bro when does game get good?”
Then proceeded to skip every part of the story and turn it into a shooter.
@@Tay10rdI'm still so pissed he did it to the horror edition of this challenge. We rarely get good horror games man, let us have this just once instead of turning it into another generic game.
Noa really just opened the game, removed enemies for the centipede in his style, and then scrapped the story because it didn't fit the centipede. That's not how you expand an interesting game, that's how you make your own game and disregard everything the other devs did
I like those video, but it's kinda odd to see how one dev decides "nah, it's not my stuff, let's remake it all to my vision"
Specially at the very end
@@candylide it was specifically the end, the other ones were great on expanding the game, they did scrap a few things but it made sense as to why, the coin for example, didn't really have a functionality and was difficult to think what to do with it
@@TactfulWaggle Yeah the coin, I was sad to see it go.
Yeah, pretty much every other one of these videos, the final dev mostly polishes and makes the game more playable overall. This time, one dev just decided to create a whole different game by himself at the end
There's always that one dev who spits on everyone else's work
lmao noa really threw out like everything else all the other devs had done and changed the game completely
yeah not a fan of that shift
@@ian_b3205 me neither
yeah i feel same way its like thanks for all the hard work but here's my game instead.
That's the challenge of not communicating, lol, seems like he missed some stuff other devs had done until after he had already worked a bit
@@ITR worked "a bit" . how can you miss such huge things. He must have not played it at all or just for a minute to not notice the story and he threw out the beautiful art the other dev made. The new game literally has nothing to do with what the other devs made. At this point he can just make a game by himself because what the other devs made won't matter.
Friends: Oh hey, I have a great idea for a video! Let's collaborate and make a game with different ideas and make a super cool and unique game with no communication!
Game at the end: *Is unique, interesting, and spoopy*
Noa: *yeets* time to trash that idea and just make a whole new average game on my own
Imo what Noa did was extremely disrespectful. He scrapped everything everyone else had done, and made it a piece of garbage. I think we’d appreciate it if we got the version that existed before Noa stomped on it. People like that should not be game devs if they’re willing to shit all over a project for their own benefit.
seems like the consensus is explain to Noa how "pass the game" works. Either way. Phibian's finished product is where the game should end, great job guys
Eaither explain it to him or remove him one of ‘em needs to be done
this is my message to noah on my comment.
Noah, I can tell you worked hard on this. but, I'm gonna be honest with you here.
you are like that guy in a group who sits there, listening to everyone's ideas. waits till the entire project is done only to say "nope, don't like it," and make something else on your own.
you weren't suppose to change the entire game. just build off the others. Not remake the whole thing. Each Dev is suppose to build upward from each layer. helping to repair any damage to the layers below and then building their own layer. not tearing the entire building down and making your own building. being the final one, you were suppose to polish the game and finalize it.
while your game is cool. it isn't what the others were pointing towards. while yes, there was no communication. you could simply look at the past work and figure out what the theme and ideas were.
@@halfknight2310 I dunno if you knew, but you replied under a comment, he's probably less likely to see this than if you just made this a normal comment
@@queenperrytheplatypus458 I did that as well.
@@halfknight2310 I mostly agree, like why didnt he at least read the notes before changing the story line, and then subsequently scraping another devs hard work.
He should have played the game in full before that, and than built an enemy based off of the story line.
The other devs removed things that overall decreased the games horror aspect, but this guy just removed a whole story line cause he couldnt slow his roll.
I liked that he gave the enemy an identity. But why only one??!! The whole system was made for like multiple enemies. He should given the multiple blobs a look based off of the last devs story line, and then one boss fight. 😐😐😐
I have started to notice a partern. Every game turns into a fight.
The bug game? Kill the king instead of help the queen.
The building game? Kill the giant instead of survive.
This creepy exploration game? The mechanics got adjusted bit by bit and focused on sanity, then last developer scratched everything and made it a monster killing game.
It's becoming a one trick pony. I was genuinly intrigued by this game until it became a shooter game. It went from "I'm going to try the game" to "just a lowly shooter, I've seen it before."
Liam and Noah, can you try to avoid shooter? I want to see something else.
100% agree!
yeah i always get excited to see the end game and play it but then BOOM! a dev turns it into something that is lame and basic and i don't play the game and i can't play the game that i really wanted to play let's just hope that one day we are going to get a good not taken over game from this challenge
Instead of putting themselves at the start or end of the cycle it would be better if they are in the middle. And the last devs are given the responsibility to finish it up.
exactly! Not everything has to focus entirely on killing things
I'm losing IQ points just watching them trash it into a shooter. While I am interested in the concept I'll probably stop watching.
Liam: Intresting start with sanity shenanigans
Kyle: Improves the visuals from Liam
Codeer: Adds more everything to make it playable
AIA: sets up the theme and art. along with many ideas
Phibian: LLLOOOORRREEE + ending
Noa: "F it, scrap it all and make it a shooter lol"
I wanna see Phibian’s version of the game! #releasethephibiancut
Exactly
I don't like when 1 dev moves it all around and screws it into something almost unrecognizable
Yeah the coin mechanic getting thrown out was dumb
I wanted to see vending machines being used somehow
@@juicedup14 Hey, dev who threw out the coin mechanic here. Sorry you didn't like it, my reasoning was that the vending machines and other stuff shown that AIA couldn't add in the allotted time were not actually in the game files and there wasn't an indication that it was the direction the game was taking. Had I known, I would've definitely tried to implement these systems. Thanks for the feedback though.
@@i_am_phibian It's ok, I understand. I still think you did a amazing job nonetheless
@@i_am_phibian Don't worry it's the point of the challenge to do it without communicating. Things are constantly thrown out and it makes the final game truly unique/
@@juicedup14 how was the game dev supposed to know what to do with coins? The entire point of this series is that there’s no communication, why are you getting mad when one person doesn’t understand the very specific direction another dev wants to take? The coins were a minor thing anyways, and there were way larger changes made in this video by other devs (not that that’s an inherently bad thing; again, no communication means these things happen.)
It really doesn't feel like a horror game any more when the goal is to kill one, identifiable monster. This concept, for the most part, only works when there are many, nearly undefinable threats that, rather than fight, you must escape and out-maneuver.
Yes! The game will feel bland and boring and the lore will also be boring. There will also be little to no story and most notes being said useless. Like the voices Phibian made. I feel like he could have changed it and kept their story while implementing some of his too. Like adding a bunker or something for the centipede. the boss. who lays the weird little creatures. but he scrapped it all and probably only played through the game once not paying attention. he scrapped the flash light (for no reason why) and gave them a crossbow for some reason. and this is all still in a hospital.
This feels like watching the process of modeling an incredibly detailed and well made sculpture, only for it to be smashed to bits *just* before it gets finished, and instead having it replaced with a cool looking vase
Liam came up with an idea for the games main gimmick.
Kyle, Codeer, AIA and Phibian all looked at this idea and thought about how they could enhance this core mechanic, adding new gameplay features, sound, graphics, etc.
But it feels like Noa didn't look at what he was given with the thought of how he could enhance the given formula, but rather with the thought of how he could shift this formula to fit into what he wanted the game to be.
It really doesn't help that the final product feels like a very generic monster slasher.
And while he is well within his rights to do all of this, I feel like knowing what you want the game to be before even looking at what the others have come up with, then scrapping a majority of what they did to get closer to your original vision kind of defeats the whole purpose of this challenge.
I'm not trying to attack anyone or call their work bad here, all of these people are significantly more talented at creating games than I am, but I feel some constructive critisism is needed here to avoid repeating this in the future.
(Minus Noa) I feel like this cast of game devs were chosen perfectly, and in the perfect order.
Yeah it's sad to see, Noa killed the game I was excited to see the ending the last dev before Noa created.
noa should have gone first, the game usually turns out better when noa creates a base and the others add to it.
@@franklyyyy agreed, him plastering his generic art style onto every game is boring and repetitive.
@@Somecatdied I know right in the fifth developer added a story and I really wanted to see what that story was and then Noah came along completely scrap the story completely changed all the mechanics change the art style it's an unrecognizable game except for the map layout in the red background color
I think Noa fixed the bad parts of the game in my opinion
Game looks cool. I like how that one guy added art and a story, and the next expanded on that. The idea that this took place in a hospital was very solid, reminded me of Afraid of Monsters (the precursor to Cry of Fear). But then that guy in the end scrapped everything and it just became a pitch black location with pitch black enemies and you gotta shoot em. And I agree with the other comments, its very generic, and whilst the others tried to convey the original intent and expand on it, this guy was just straight up disrespectful. He didn't even play the game and see the notes, he just made his own version straight away.
The person at the end is called Noa (this is his youtube channel)
@@Luukskywalker I cannot remember all their names for the life of me. But I'll try. Thanks.
@@nottechytutorials :-)
totally agree. its disrespectful and negates the whole pass the game idea for me... liam could have passed it to noa and the same generic "shoot that fat monster game" would have come out. the other devs all tried to add something to the game they got and did a hell of a job...
@@elib1421 Right? I feel like the other people tried to do what they did best and add to the game, whilst Noa defaulted back to what he was most comfortable with, even if it meant overhauling the entire game and negating everyone else's contributions.
Ahh yes, there are too many enemies that prevent tension from building for the player, to work around this we removed all the enemies in exchange for a single boss and gave the player a gun so the only threat in the game could be killable. It's like saying "Wow, amnesia the dark descent sure was a scary atmospheric horror game with lore scattered around and a constantly draining sanity meter that you managed with light and tinctures and avoiding looking at monsters. For the sequel, let's give the main character a gun so they can kill the threats instead of having to carefully navigate around them." Great, now the only threat is time in the darkness since the gun can just remove the other threats.
It's not like guns just remove the tension of a game though. In silent hill you get a gun quite early but the game is still amazingly tense. The big difference is the goal, In silent hill 1 your goal is to find your lost daughter and the gun is a means of limited self defense while working towards that goal. In the centipede, the goal is to kill the centipede and the crossbow is the means to that end, turning your weapon from "I need to conserve my uses of this incase I need it later" to "I have the win condition for the entire game now" you stop being the hunted and immediately become the hunter. Even worse is you start with the crossbow, you don't even have to search for the scattered lore and keys to find the room with it, you just have to find some extra ammo and pills to survive the fight, you don't even have to explore since there's a circle directly left of the starting room that summons the centipede to you and it's just far enough away from the starting room door that items will randomly spawn there for you to restock on every item before going back to the circle to keep fighting.
I beat the game just by leaving the starting room, gathering the items immediately outside and making a run to the circle, using all my ammo and then going back to the spawn room door to restock. It took a little over a minute to do and completely negates the entire atmosphere, lore and strategy of the game where as the previous iteration would have made me explore the entire area looking for keys and actually engage with the lore and atmosphere of the area while avoiding the horrors.
Is it a bad horror game? I'd say yes since, while the atmosphere is ok, you start the game with the tools you need to easily beat the only actual threat in the game and can immediately do so without having to engage with the atmosphere. When the player is given tools to fight the monsters then the monsters stop being scary and it's up to the atmosphere, level design and sound design to keep the player tense. The level design can be completely ignored since exploration is entirely optional with a giant "Stand on me to fight boss" circle 5 seconds from the starting room. The sound design consists of a constant low droning with squishy sounds meant to resemble the centipede rustling around you, the intention being that no matter where you go you're always in danger except you already have all the tools to defend yourself so the danger isn't actually that dangerous.
Hindsight is always rough, but the concept is good. I think it could be refined to a fine polish if given time. For example you could keep the exploration from the previous iterations with periods of dead silence to help build tension in the darkness while you go room to room looking for keys and finding the lore. One thing I adored from the centipede when I did choose to explore the level is sometimes you would just see the centipedes body motionlessly blocking a hall, but since it's not an object you can just walk through it. Instead the body could be a physical thing that, because it's blocking your path, you're forced to find a way around it, the obvious fear being "Of the 2 directions I can go to get around it, which side is the head?" Forcing the player to potentially walk into the literal jaws of the beast based on an unlucky coin flip and then have to escape. All of this would eventually lead to the player unlocking the room with the crossbow and fighting the centipede. You still run into the problem of "I have a weapon now, time to win" but in this iteration the player has had to fully engage with the game to get their win condition as opposed to spawning with it.
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You’ve done this a lot at Steam I presume.
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Few notes for preserving original devs additions/ideas
I understand that less vision would actually be more tense, but instead of replacing it with a flashlight that stays static, it could have been cool to see the beam narrow with sanity decreasing. Could be explained as tunnel vision or some sort of fear paralysis.
I think scrapping the story was really uncool, even if it was because of a mistake, probably could have been found with a little more effort.
Also turning the game away from avoiding an increasing horde of enemies, turning it into a game where you hunt just 1 feels like a bit of a turn too drastic this far in development.
That being said it was really impressive that this resulted in a cohesive game that actually looks pretty cool.
I still want to see the developers' reactions to the final game.
That's what we've been asking for after each video.
yup we all do
It changed so much throughout development, that was really awesome to see. The final game looks amazing though!
all of them getting together and saying what they orginally had planned and what they think of the finished product would be great to see
@@i_am_phibian Haha thanks Phibian. This comment makes up for it a little.
This was a frustrating video, because it looked so good before noah revamped it. the blackthron prod artstyle is a cool artstyle, but not for every game. It makes the games look very samey. The low-fi previous iteration of the game looked amazing.
I am starting to really hate blackthorn´s art... Once was fine but seeing it over and over annoys me. As you said, everything is starting to look the same.
Noa: "There wasn't any tension to the game so I scrapped all the enemies and added a giant centipede (Because big is scary) that you constantly see and eventually get used to."
To be fair you constantly saw all the others enemies as well
@@guyferrari8124but the whole thing with the red dots is that you're not supposed to see them, they're figments if your imagination that make you go mad, that's what makes them a threat, the centipede is just kinda.... there...
It makes me a little sad how all the devs put in so much effort and creativity to make a unique experience with the sanity and flashlight, and then Noa came in and changed the title, scrapped the whole story, made the entire experience different and just made it a giant bossfight shoot-em-up
If a dev spends a lot of time on concept and art, shouldn't that be marked "done" and you can spend more time on functionality and polish? Seems like throwing all their work away is a bit unfair.
I kinda like the system as it is because it gives them the opportunity to completely overhaul the game if they feel like it which add excitement because the game could go in any direction, it also gives each dev more flexibility in implementing their own creative visions
I both agree and disagree .
Things like the coins, I think thats fair it was removed even though we know what they was intended for the other developer didn't and couldn't think of a use for them which plays into the not communicating. Or things like editing some mechanics or how things work I think is fine.
But, removing all the current lore and goal of the game annoyed me, even though I liked the idea of a singular enemy, thats alot of work and time gone to waste on something that was already finished. It's more forgiveable in the earlier stages as there's not always clear goals but, not at the end of the project.
That's just my opinion though.
@@Zachary133 Totally agree. Loved the other episodes but the ending of this one annoyed me.
@@Zachary133 Yeah, those are the drawbacks of not communicating. The whole point of this series is to see how developers deal with that drawback.
@@RubiixCat Drawbacks of not communicating? He literally scratched 70% of the game and redid it.
That ending was a total 180. I don't really like it. I know they don't communicate but, at the end basically everything got scrapped for some goofy bug monster. 100% just wasted these other devs time.
I know that they didn’t communicate but I seriously can’t believe Noa thought any of that was a good idea.
I think being able to attack in horror games can really take away from the experience of being truly scared. Of course there are a few exceptions, I don't think this is one of them. There was a lot more tension before there was an enemy to defeat. Kinda just became a dark action game.
Wait now I wanna know what the ending to Phibian's version was 😬
Phibian
1 day ago
Hey-
Dev who was working on the story based on the notes here. For my portion, I made the game's story about a character who was told they had very little time left to live and started grappling with their own mortality. The entire location in the game was meant to represent their mind as they battled their inner demons and eventually found peace. I don't mind that it got scrapped, the final game looks fantastic.
He commented this in someone else’s comment
@@EthenAK Thank you!
@@EthenAK that's a much better ending, clearly hes just trying not to burn bridges by saying it looks good still.
@@EthenAKman I would've loved that version instead of the one we got
@@EthenAK and we got good ending yippee
It seems to me that Noa just wants to push his artstyle and promote it and not care so much about video idea of 6 devs making game together.
Getting a bit tired of seeing every 2D game from these challenges just being dominated by and subsequently turned into Noa's artstyle. If it's 2D that's the only style that's allowed
yes. methinks too, sire
The game was already a game and it just needed polishing , Phibian did a really good job building on the last devs did but not changing them completely to suit there vission. But instead Noa just made hes own game when the game was already done and probably needed some stuff to be added here and there cause y'know he is the last dev to work on it, but instead he decided to completely scrapped everything the last game devs did to do he's very own game instead of building upon the last devs did. Honestly he was the last dev to work on it and had more time on the game, but he probably didn't play the game fully to see them, (which he had the time cause he's the last game dev to work it). I'm aware that they can't communicate with the game but he completely disrespected the other game devs and just made he's own game instead of building upon or just polishing it.
Creating a good horror game where you can't fight your enemies is A LOT harder than the one where you can. It's a pity that Noa turned horror into a shooter.
Is there a way to play the game, before Noa touched it?
I know it sounds hard and he still did a pretty solid job, but I just do not like how much he scraped and how he created a "new" game.. That is not what this video is about
Yea I'd really like to play the game before those edits too
yeah the fourth part sounded more like a game i would want to see how it works out and what was the lore? he had an ending so what was it! i wanna know
also one of devs put a ending in and now we dont get to see it unless noa left it in
It looks as if AIA made a copy to further show his idea of the vending machine before passing it on. Maybe he still has it.
same...
Would love to have seen how the game would have turned around if phibian's story has been continued instead of it entirely having been flipped upside down by noa.
Normally i dont comment on videos but the two words that stuck with me from this entire video was "My vision" From Noa. _"My_ vision". The whole point of the project was to create something with other people, who, up to that point, did a wonderful job at creating something that i would have loved to play! But then Noa came along, took a look at everything that was made up to that point: The small details (like the character reading the notes), the story, the whole gameplay mechanic with the sanity and vision, and went "Mmmm...no." And tossed it into the bin. He took the entire game (That honestly should have stopped with Phibians development.) and scrapped it to make it into his own thing. Just because it didn't fit with what *he* wanted.
From what i saw the only things he kept was a few of the game sprites (The pills and batteries) and the sanity mechanics.
What bothers me the most is that he knew that he was supposed to make a game with _other_ people, he was probably informed that this was the whole point of the video and he probably even agreed to it, but in the end went "Nah, lol."
In all honesty i wouldn't bring him back if he's just gonna do that. He wasted all of the other developers time the moment he moved all their work to the trash.
Here's what will bother you even more. This is his channel. He's the one that suggested it to be horror. Most bothersome part is that it was his idea to do these "pass the game" challenges.
Just to add more, he didn't learn from the giant titan video that Tarodev did basically the same thing.
@@tshajmeejvaj Yeah! he literally just wanted an excuse to make funny centipede game!
@@tshajmeejvaj Seriously? Wtf...Thats not OK. Dont suggest something and then go back on your word just to take an idea that other people come up with and steal that concept.
Everybody else worked so hard and noa had to completely change every single thing that made the game unique
I liked the idea of the game and it kept building as the video went on, but then at the very end with Noa everything felt extremally overhauled and meant that all the work put in by previous devs meant nothing. I can understand overhauling a few features, but that was pretty much the entire story and game. The only thing that felt the same was the flashlight and items.
And the sanity
@@Suspectedhuman nah, that’s just a health bar in disguise. If you get boo-boo, health go down. Medkit make it go up.
Here i am again to ask for every dev to give their final thoughts on the final project and telling the others at the end what they added and what they did, also i am sad that we don’t get to hear or see the story and ending one of the devs made
Fighting something though kinda takes away from horror for me
Hey-
Dev who was working on the story based on the notes here. For my portion, I made the game's story about a character who was told they had very little time left to live and started grappling with their own mortality. The entire location in the game was meant to represent their mind as they battled their inner demons and eventually found peace. I don't mind that it got scrapped, the final game looks fantastic.
@@i_am_phibian fantastic to hear the full thing, its a interesting thing to write up in a short time and yeah the game does look awesome
@@i_am_phibian Don't worry Phibian, I'll be offended for you.
@@i_am_phibian That sounds like a really cool concept for a character arc for the flashlight dude. It would definitely have been a more impactful story and ending to the game.
@@i_am_phibian you should make a game following that story or one similar to it, tons of us would love to play it!
Noa: "Oh? There's an entire story that perfectly fits the environment that was masterfully put together by multiple people? Nahh let's just make it a centipede shooter game and completely get rid of any story elements"
I love how some of the devs spent their time building up the story, and then Noa just changes the entire thing for dramatic tension
Bruh the last dev demolished two of the people's work
i think each dev having more time is DEFINITELY a better way of going about it. Thanks for the video!
Even if it's just an extra hour or two, it would make implementing features way better. Right now, everything has to be done in half to properly work in time
Also, with more time AIA could carry the team even more lol
“I’ll add a sanity pickup” “I’ll remove the sanity pickup” “I’ll make a sanity pickup”
wow I really like how all the devs added their own stuff it was really cool and then Noa decided to make his own game by himself
dude i swear AIA always makes the game 10x better
ikr?
Though this time he did the mistake of removing the cute round mc, and adding [generic pixel human with no emotional connection] (and the walls were way better when they were white) :p
Also a bit sad the expanding vision mechanic was removed, as it was directly tied to losing sanity quicker, inability to hide by staring at walls, and indirectly powering up the consume ability (though making pills needed to consume enemies that restore sanity each, was interesting).
The flashlights battery mechanic seems like a miss too, as that means you can turn blind, and thus take no sanity damage from seeing no monsters (though it might be that he forgot to mention changing that mechanic to have a baseline sanity-damage even when nothing is visible, to avoid that).
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Fr dude knows how to make games. He came up with so many great ideas but didn't have time.
@@cloverlovania honestly in my opinion it gave shape to the story and made it more realistic, but even then so, it was the other devs' job to improve on it from a bystander's perspective as they got the game fresh with no knowledge, but at the end the entire lore, aesthetic and gameplay was almost redone instead of improved on, otherwise maybe it would appeal to you.
BRO JUST DESTROYED THE LORE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO ADD A CENTAPIED!!!
When I heard that “noa was going to scrap everything and ruin it”, I was like “he couldn’t have ruined it completely…. Probably”
I was proven wrong.
That was kind of messed up, what Noa did. I get he didn't mean to necessarily scrap the entire project, he definitely should have gone along with the rest of the dev's ideas. Up until the last dev, which was Noa, I was really excited to play the game, because it felt different, then Noa came along and just scrapped all of Phibian's designs, nearly all of everyone else's, and implemented his generic, not at all scary centipede. Just saying, if you're the last dev, don't reshape the game. I lost a lot of my respect for you, watching that last part. It really showed that you don't care about the other dev's ideas, you didn't even play the game enough to read the story Phibian made, and rather than reshaping the game once you found it, you just deleted his work and made a new story.
Edit: I like how the channel pokes for on the whole centipede thing later on, so, good job.
i agree 1000%
i 100000% agree
Preach!! 100% agree
Agreed
Last person should just polish the game.
Cool video, but maybe more collaboration and thought should be put into Noa's design choices. Everthing the previous devs worked on was practically gone, he just made an entirely different game. I also wish the visuals/graphics were made by other people sometimes. Don't get me wrong I love Noa's style, but more variety would be good.
"This game didn't fit what I wanted so I scrapped the whole thing."
Real nice way to show you appreciate these devs' work and truly value the time they spent on the project. Real classy.
Would have liked to see a reaction from the different dev's at the end of the video on what they think of the finished game.
I actually want to play the game that Phibian finished…
I feel like AIA did the best job on this project, great job!
And no disrespect, but the game would've been better off without Noa's developments.
“I thought health pickups were boring so I switched it”
next dev: “I added health packs because there was only one other way to gain sanity”
next next next dev: so anyway i started blasting
Honestly the product is less of a group of devs making a game and some guy just breaking in and making his own game over some else's work, I'm not the biggest fan of horror games that give you a way to damage the boss stright away because it causes the boss to be less scary due to you have a reliable way of getting rid of it witch relefest tension wich to me is important in good horror.
Doesn't help that the last Dev took away a intresting setting and also lessed the insanity mechanic of the game for giant bug. (but thats just my op)
I don't know what the other dev's were for when Noa just binned it all and basically made a completely different game.
I think the idea of doing two rounds for the same dev would be great!
Like.. Dev 1 -> Dev 2 -> Dev 3 --> Dev 1 -> Dev 2 -> Dev 3
This would give another occasion to see how the project evolved when passing through first and get another try for ideas they had or new one!
and prevent things like noa changing the entire game just because he can.
@@awanderer3047 what if he is in the 3 developers
@@DiaomBayet not what I meant. just means he can't do a radical re-write, and if he does it can just be overridden. And if he's earlier he can set the tone just right before others take it on. Just means that the original intent is still there, rather than being scrapped at the end.
@@awanderer3047 ah sorry for misunderstanding
@@DiaomBayet it's no problem, your good
wow. noa turned what was meant to be a horror game and made it turn into a game where you fight one giant creature in the dark
Yeah, I don’t think the last Developer should change a huge aspect about the game, because they have no time for polishing and plus their just disregarding the previous developers visions. Maybe the shooting centipede concept would’ve worked if Noa was the 1st or 2nd developer.
Kinda dislike how the flashlight was added. Gaining more vision as you lose sanity is kinda accurate, as you become more paranoid. It also flips the less vision trope on it's head. I feel like it should've been freshened to fit into some psychological horror more instead of reversing it. My suggestion would have been that the game delves into full horror once your sanity is gone, instead of players thinking it is a health bar they would instead do it out of fear of what happens when they go insane.
Really dislike how the end dev threw out everyone else’s ideas for a semi-horror game and turned it into a shooter with a whole new art style
I love how one dev decides against health packs and the next readds them
5 devs make a masterpiece and the 6th one destroys it, that’s the real title
Loved the first 5 devs game. Noa did something I didn’t expect at all. It was truly amazing to see 5 people work on a game for hours and put in an insane amount of work then to see Noa come in and completely destroy the entire game and make a basic boring shooter. Hats off to the first 5 devs. Hats off to Noa for managing to destroy the work of every other dev to fit his narrative.
In my opinion, the game changed too much at the end. I understand this is a no-communication challenge, but at the same time I feel like the other devs could be frustrated to have their progress "replaced"
I love how he just destroys phibians whole entire story
"Wow, look at this game! It's scary, cool, and unique! The player is unsure of what's real, it's actually nerve-wracking to play, you feel helpless! It also has a good artstyle, and the setting is scary!"
"haha shooter go brrrrr"
All the other devs: Ok so we're gonna work together to make a good storyline.
Noa: Oh no your not.
disappointed that the previous devs didn't play the finished game
I really dislike how this went, AIA's art and everything was awesome and so was all the story, but Noa just removed all of that cause "oh well, CENTIPEDE!"
Exactly
As far as I can tell he only changed the monster art.
And removed the story, main art style, added a crossbow and completely undid the work did by 2 devs
@@EthenAK After watching many of these videos I've grown to dislike the noa art style (it still looks good but) as I find using it in every one of these gets repetitive fast I would much prefer if the other devs art styles were used instead.
Why did it end like that 😭 the second to last version seemed way cooler
I feel like these videos boil down to the other devs breathing life into a project and then Noa going "I thought it was dumb" and then changes the whole thing.
kind of would have preferred if the game ended with the second to last dev. Moving the light out of the flashlight and giving him a crossbow just felt wrong and a bit lazy. Didnt feel like a horror game anymore, just kind of creepy i guess?
Why did you throw away everyone's work at the end?
Noa didn't understand the assignment. They said "Complete the game" not "Completely change"
Noah was like my little sister: I do something she wanted to do, so she reverses my work and remakes it entirely.
Well done, would be nice to have a small final lets play in the end!
this
i was excited you were going to be at the end cause i really thought by then the art and story would be fleshed out and we’d see something new but once again we got your style that we’ve seen a million times before. it’s cool and all but seriously the other devs had something going and you scrapped the whole thing. it’s just frustrating as a viewer and felt like a waste of time.
the last Dev is like that one kid in group project that give the teacher at the moment you pass there own version of the project they made alone
Liam, Kyle, Codeer, Aia & Phibiah: horror game.
Noa: centipede boss battle.