Great review, many thanks. The biggest hurdle for me is the hard drive capacity is far too small - only interested in 18 TB and upwards. Now re-cycling smaller old hard drives . . . for different storage uses.
@@IntoxicatedVortex - smaller old hard drives are in Off_Line storage - they serve their purpose. Used smaller hard drives in the past in 4-bay Synology units but 4 x 6 TB is too small . . . The next limit is the volumn size of 108 TB or perhaps 200 TB
It looks like the other thing you lose over the OEM Ironwolf drive is the Ironwolf health management feature. Personally, though the price of these are competitive, it looks as if Synology is starting to squeeze out third party drives as time progresses. The compatibility page for the DS220 quite clearly illustrates this. As for the supposed advantage of firmware updates within DSM; I feel that's really a trivial selling point. How many times have users needed to update the firmware on their HDD's in order to fix a critical issue? I suspect hardly ever, if at all. Why did Synology partner with Seagate and not WD? Certainly historically speaking, WD has had, I believe, a more reliable track record. Despite the good price point, I remain wary of Synology's motives here.
I ran a DS220+ and a pair of WD Red HDD a couple of years ago. All the changes Synology and WD made me not want to deal with their NAS offering. So far, I'm quite pleased with the Asustor AS5404T, Seagate Exos Mach.2 NAS, and a pair of M.2 SSD cache drives. Gonna upgrade to a 2.5GB switch with dual 2.5GB NIC and running SMB multichannel to increase file transfer rate further.
I picked up a Toshiba 16TB Enterprise Series, I was going to go for the N300 but the price was exactly the same 😅 (The Enterprise version has a 5 year warranty compared to the N300 at 3 years and higher workload/MTBF)
My hat 3300 12TB come with MBR and it's not detected in Synology, I can't install Synology OS on my new DS923+. I tried to change MBR to GBT but failed. Is my HAT 3300 defect?
So as someone who is about to pull the trigger on a Ds224+ purchase and was looking at 2x4TB Synology drives, for home use of mainly photo and file backup and use of Synology Photos, are these drives sufficient? Currently have a DS119J which is pretty poor as basic, so can't do much with it. Price is also key as £500 all in is still quite steep.
Something completely unrelated to the video: I am using Qnap and their Hybrid Backup Sync App to upload my incremental and encrypted backup every night. I just realized that I am totally vendor locked-in regarding the backup. If I'd switch to Synology or something else, in order to keep the previous backup incl. the time machine like behaviour, I'd need to upload everything again, keeping both backup versions side by side. The older backups would just stay untouched. That'd cost a significant amount regarding the cloud backup costs over time (more then the NAS itself). How would you solve that issue?
I use Syncthing to sync multiple folder between 2 of my nas devices currently. I set it up in docker and it works pretty well. It can do one way or bidirectional syncing as well. Everything is visible to the other side though. Not sure if you need encryption or versioning in your environment.
@@charlesbeegle9534 thx. Did you hear of Duplicacy? They advertise themselfs as quite superior. Yes client-side encryption and versioning is important.
@@magicmanchloe 4 10 TB ironwolf drive ordered at the same time, one died barely within warranty (3 year), then one a few months later, then from that point again a few months later one more, and the last kicked the bucket a few months later..... Compared to WD, its pretty pathetic. The youngest drive that died was 6 years old, just lost one more actually, with ~8,34 years of power on time.....
@@jagdtiggerThere are bad experiences with any brand. Just as you've had multiple bad experiences with Seagate there will be many people with bad experiences with WD. I'm a WD guy myself, by the way. Running 5x WD Red Pro 16TB in my DS1522+. One of those Red Pro's was a DAO by the way so was immediately exchanged for a new one... Never considered Synology's own drives. They're just way too expensive for what they're offering. Same thing goes for Synology RAM.
Great review, many thanks. The biggest hurdle for me is the hard drive capacity is far too small - only interested in 18 TB and upwards.
Now re-cycling smaller old hard drives . . . for different storage uses.
"Now re-cycling smaller old hard drives"
@@IntoxicatedVortex - smaller old hard drives are in Off_Line storage - they serve their purpose.
Used smaller hard drives in the past in 4-bay Synology units but 4 x 6 TB is too small . . .
The next limit is the volumn size of 108 TB or perhaps 200 TB
It looks like the other thing you lose over the OEM Ironwolf drive is the Ironwolf health management feature. Personally, though the price of these are competitive, it looks as if Synology is starting to squeeze out third party drives as time progresses. The compatibility page for the DS220 quite clearly illustrates this.
As for the supposed advantage of firmware updates within DSM; I feel that's really a trivial selling point. How many times have users needed to update the firmware on their HDD's in order to fix a critical issue? I suspect hardly ever, if at all.
Why did Synology partner with Seagate and not WD? Certainly historically speaking, WD has had, I believe, a more reliable track record.
Despite the good price point, I remain wary of Synology's motives here.
I doubt Synology would choose WD over seagate after the whole SMR fiasco, especially since that affected RED drives as well.
I ran a DS220+ and a pair of WD Red HDD a couple of years ago. All the changes Synology and WD made me not want to deal with their NAS offering. So far, I'm quite pleased with the Asustor AS5404T, Seagate Exos Mach.2 NAS, and a pair of M.2 SSD cache drives. Gonna upgrade to a 2.5GB switch with dual 2.5GB NIC and running SMB multichannel to increase file transfer rate further.
I picked up a Toshiba 16TB Enterprise Series, I was going to go for the N300 but the price was exactly the same 😅 (The Enterprise version has a 5 year warranty compared to the N300 at 3 years and higher workload/MTBF)
but I heard the enterprise series consume more energy and produce more noise compared to N300 . right?
@@quedin9990 Same noise level, the Enterprise drive consumes 0.7 more watts.
Interesting - when did spinning rust start having a TBW/year limit?
Another step on the way towards the Apple...*cough*...Synology closed garden.
So, if you want over 12tb drives, there is no other option outside of third party oems? Regardless of price.
When in the NAS is the sound level or sound frequency different depending on the HDD capacity or rpms?
My hat 3300 12TB come with MBR and it's not detected in Synology, I can't install Synology OS on my new DS923+. I tried to change MBR to GBT but failed. Is my HAT 3300 defect?
So as someone who is about to pull the trigger on a Ds224+ purchase and was looking at 2x4TB Synology drives, for home use of mainly photo and file backup and use of Synology Photos, are these drives sufficient? Currently have a DS119J which is pretty poor as basic, so can't do much with it. Price is also key as £500 all in is still quite steep.
I'm the same boat and I just ordered that exact setup. Had a DS212j since 2013 and time for an upgrade.
Something completely unrelated to the video: I am using Qnap and their Hybrid Backup Sync App to upload my incremental and encrypted backup every night. I just realized that I am totally vendor locked-in regarding the backup. If I'd switch to Synology or something else, in order to keep the previous backup incl. the time machine like behaviour, I'd need to upload everything again, keeping both backup versions side by side. The older backups would just stay untouched. That'd cost a significant amount regarding the cloud backup costs over time (more then the NAS itself). How would you solve that issue?
I use Syncthing to sync multiple folder between 2 of my nas devices currently. I set it up in docker and it works pretty well. It can do one way or bidirectional syncing as well. Everything is visible to the other side though. Not sure if you need encryption or versioning in your environment.
@@charlesbeegle9534 thx. Did you hear of Duplicacy? They advertise themselfs as quite superior. Yes client-side encryption and versioning is important.
Are synology drives smr or cmr?
I never did that. Maybe in enterprises when you have tons of HDDs.
CMR/PMR
Does anyone actually update the HDD firmware?
No, not at all.
Seagate?? You sure?? Other youtubers say Synology uses Toshiba drives.
Hat5300 = Toshiba, HAT3300 = Seagate
@@nascompares Got it. Thanks
Not touching seagate ever again, not even with a 10 feet pole......
Why?
@@magicmanchloe 4 10 TB ironwolf drive ordered at the same time, one died barely within warranty (3 year), then one a few months later, then from that point again a few months later one more, and the last kicked the bucket a few months later.....
Compared to WD, its pretty pathetic. The youngest drive that died was 6 years old, just lost one more actually, with ~8,34 years of power on time.....
fact
@@jagdtiggerThere are bad experiences with any brand. Just as you've had multiple bad experiences with Seagate there will be many people with bad experiences with WD.
I'm a WD guy myself, by the way. Running 5x WD Red Pro 16TB in my DS1522+. One of those Red Pro's was a DAO by the way so was immediately exchanged for a new one...
Never considered Synology's own drives. They're just way too expensive for what they're offering. Same thing goes for Synology RAM.
@@jagdtigger Oh, you even got them to work for the warranty period.
I ordered a 12 TB one ... dead on arrival !
100% failure rate for me
I don’t even have to watch this video to say DONT BUY Synology DRIVES! They’re not even a manufacturer…. It’s markup nonsense
if it will help to get rid of WD from the market - go ahead.