I have over 16 Seagate 16TB Exos drives for my 2 NAS machines.....1 died and I submitted an RMA with Seagate...BACK IN JULY 2023, it is not well into October, I have no replacement, when I contact them they say they are "out of stock" and will replace "soon", and this goes on over and over again. Their warranty has no deadline, how is this legal? They still sell the drives on Amazon and Newegg, always in stock there, they should just send me a check to purchase a new drive if that's the case, this is ridiculous! Because of this, I never want to purchase another Seagate product again, what good is a warranty if they never honor it!?!?! I no longer have a cold spare on hand if another drive fails!
Hi Rex , I have a DS420+ and I have filled it up with Toshiba N300 drives (PN starts with HDWG4xxUZSVA) which are probably the same as the Synology branded ones. Also they tend to have more Toshibas in the compatibility list than the others. They were also cheaper than the WD Pro and Seagate Pro… Firmware was 0601 as Synology recommended.
I’ve had several Seagate drives fail, and warranty replacement is fought. Yes, they will replace them but will question you and make you work for it. It’s as if they offer a warranty only to those serious enough to push back, thinking it will save them money. The opposite is true for me, I try and NEVER recommend Seagate drives to any client unless they demand it.
@@zainahmed6258 -- I should admit I have a few running Seagate's and the clients are happy, but they have had zero failures. I prefer WD or Toshiba. Edit: If you get Seagate's, ask the client or end user to purchase them themselves, not you, and strongly suggest they print hardcopies of all receipts, every charge record, photos of the install, Amazon Receipts, installation notes, etc., put them in an envelope and tape them to the bottom of the NAS. And also write the date of warranty expiration on the envelope. If the drives have different purchase dates or sources, do the same with a sharpie on the drive before installation. Not joking, Seagate will argue with you about everything, THAT drive is older and out of warranty (Date sold to the vendor not end user), THAT drive was not sold to you but whatever the reseller's name was. The hours I have spent tracking down, printing, emailing, etc. receipts for customers would boggle your mind. And on 2 clients behalf, I just purchased another drive and gave up on Seagate support as it just wasn't worth it (but the client was worth keeping happy).
@@Erin-Thor Very strange how internet is divided. I found out the WD has lost its spot and is now producing less reliable drives which break unexpectedly. Seagate EXOS is the way to go. I would prefer Toshiba but only one retailer in Australia has some in stock and they are N300 6tb for $320. When you say WD then which WD and which Toshiba? At the moment i can only afford upto 8tb of space which is plenty for me for storing photos and family videos. Currently EXOS 8tb 7E10 are on sale for $299 same as Toshiba N300 6tb and Ironwolf (not pro) 8tb.
@@Erin-Thor Thank you for sharing such valuable experience. I am just getting into the world of NAS and I know its going to be one expensive one down the line 🙂
I recently purchased the DS920+ and love it!! I started off 6 years ago with the base WD cloud drive and was always disappointed with the speed. You get what you pay for I guess. When they announced they were ending the security updates early this year I was fuming!! So I started shopping for another unit and determined not to ever buy a WD NAS again. I found Synology, and LOVE the speed! I have 2x 6TB WD Black hard drive and it works really great. Thanks for your videos and I may hire you one day when I want to upgrade my system. Thanks again.
Advice & Assistance: Hello, I currently have a DS920+ Nas with 4, 4TB drives, and Synology RAM DDR4-2666 Non-ECC SO-DIMM 4GB (D4NESO-2666-4G) . My RAID configuration is SHR1. I'm looking to replace/upgrade one of the drives to a 16TB. When I went to purchase, I saw 2 different kinds and wanted to insure I get what is compatible with the other 3 remaining drives. Descriptions: Current drives - Seagate IronWolf Pro 4TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 128MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Service - Frustration Free Packaging (ST4000NE001) Replacement options - Seagate IronWolf Pro 16TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - CMR 3.5 Inch SATA 6GB/S 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for Raid Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Rescue Service Or Seagate IronWolf Pro 16TB Enterprise NAS Internal HDD Hard Drive - CMR 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Rescue Services - FFP g (ST16000NTZ01) I will eventually replace/upgrade all the remaining drives. What’s the difference, and which should I choose to go with in your opinion? Thanking you in advance
I'm old enough to remember about two major scandals for each major HDD manufacturer. Every time, they tried to hide it from customers. It's practically SOP for the industry.
Seagate has sales on their website from time to time. That’s how I wound up with 4 14TB IronWolf Pros for my first nas experience. In a Qnap ts-473a. Awesome so far!
I own a Synology 416 Play which is an update from the 411j. I migrated the drives in 2017 from the 411 to the 416, so I still use the same four WD20EARS 2TB for about 10 years! Never seen one fault report from SMART. My NAS is configured in BTRFS with snapshot, RAID 5, local backup and critical backup in the cloud, so whenever a drive fails, I wil replace them one by one.
Toshiba N300s for me. Replacing all my seagates and WDs. Actually cheaper for me too. Glad to know that Synology is rebranding the Toshibas but the price hike for their logo is a bit off. Just get the Toshibas and not the Synology logo ones.
On the topic of SMR drives: It can also lead to a RAID failure when there's not enough free storage left. Happened to me and I changed all my WD Reds to Ironwolf after WD had to admit that some of their WD Red models were SMR drives.
I just bought eight 14TB WD Red CMR drives for $279 ea on Amazon. Excellent price. I usually get Iron Wolf Reds, but I was filling a DS1821+ and could not pass up the $279. It is nice to have 86TB of space :). I also upgraded my Synologys to 16GB RAM, 1TB m.2 caches, and a 10G NIC. I also use the 1621+ with 8TB Iron Wolfs as a NAS backup for important files on the 1821. The new project I just finished is a TrueNAS box with a 12400k, 64GB DDR5 RAM, ROG B660-I MB, four 16TB Exos Drives, JONSBO N1 case, Asus 10G NIC, and a 750w SFF PSU! It is a gorgeous NAS!
I started out using an IBM 360 , IBM 370 , and later, an IBM System 3. Yep, a Jurassic Park of the 1970s. Throughout that time until now, I haven't seen anyone be so fucused and so honest for everyone who is watching the video. I have listened to great advice from former MICROSOFT people who always have been available to great things. Your time in explaining everyting in NAS is honorable and very appreciated. I hope others understand why. Tute, si rece vixeris. If John Lennon was a techie, he would love this. Thanks!
I went with 5 16TB Seagate EXOs in my Synology 1520+ in Raid 6 few months ago (1st time buyer). The noise isn't bad but its a lil strange hearing a light knocking or spinning up sound out of the blue. If you're able to keep your NAS in another room you'll never notice it. I can't do that with my apartment but I've gotten used to it. Unless they die on me anytime soon, I'd buy them again.
Seagate IronWolf is my go-to for Synology. I purchased 8 10TB Ironwolf drives for a project, and about one year later 6 drives began to show sector errors. I contacted Seagate - they covered replacements, and in fact, I received 12TB replacements, Seagate stated they were out of 10TB drives. I paid to ship the failed drives and Seagate paid for the shipping to me. 100% satisfied with Seagate. Side Note: the 6 drives that were failing all were within 100 serial numbers, so it must have been a bad lot.
I have 4x seagate barracuda drives. 2 of them are in my system in Raid 1, and the 2 others are hard backup copies that I use to backup the two in the system whenever I add/remove major amount of files. These are stored on a shelf in a dry, cool and dark place. So far this has worked fine.
Be warned that Barracuda drives have issues as they aren't properly being read by software for drive health. I've had multiple drives that either clicked or took a long time to start spinning show as excellent health only to fail with no warning. When monitoring drive health I've never had issues with Western Digital.
I've had SGT and WD fail on me, so I started buying Hitachi and Toshiba. After the takeover of Hitachi by WD, I'm now exclusively on Toshiba. Love them.
I have always used Ironwolf NAS and have never had a problem. Currently, I am thinking of changing to Exos because they have the same specs and you get a much longer life for the money.
Thank you for great explanation. Your way to explain is so detailed and I love it. My firt NAS was configured by your tutorial. I really love your channel and subcribed immediatly. You do very valuable content. Keep doing what you doing man.
Thanks for your comparison, you have great videos, very informative. I had a Synology RS2016 and changed 7 out of 12 Western Digital Red drives. I have switched to the Ironwolf 10Tb since 3 years that are working extremely well in a Synology 1019. Keep up the good work.
I have the opposite experience - 4 ironwolf drives failed within 6 months of purchase - replacements started failing also so returned them and got my money back. Running WD Red 8 TB fine for 2 years now.
I'm running 5 x 16TB IronWolf Pros in RAID6 in my latest Synology 1522+. Same price as the EXOS as that capacity at the moment. I've had great success with the IWPs in the past, plus you get warranty direct with the manufacturer rather than the distributor!
I just bought a synology DS1522+ (from Amazon) along with 3 used Seagate EXOS 14TB HDD from ebay ($115 a piece). I installed the three drives in the 1522 and it says they aren't on compatibility list. I used them anyways but I don't know if I should replace them with another drive or not.. something on the compatibility list. I don't see why they wouldn't be on the list as they are enterprise NAS HDD's. The drives I got are the ST14000NM000G.
A few comments… I have four 16TB EXOS drives in my RAID and they hardly make a sound. Whereever you got it from that they're noisy, I don't know. As for Toshiba, a friend of mine has a raid with four of them as well and they just run - no issues - and they're silent as well. These modern drives all have helium atmospheres which probably makes the difference. PS: The RAIDs mentioned are both Linux RAIDs, run with Debian and various controllers (mostly LSI9211 SAS controllers). Since SAS has a SATA compatibility layer, it all works.
When you buy a Seagate 5TB 2.5 inch external USB enclosure, you will find a very low power consumption and very silent Seagate Barracuda 2.5 inch SATA drive in it. These drives have 600000 load/unload cycles. You will find exactly the same in each external enclosure from Seagate. Combine 4 x 5TB in a 4 bay NAS and you get 15 TB of storage :-). Very silent, low power consumption and also very lightweight.
Good comparison review and discussion. The amazing reliability and MTBF with the EXOS drives vs. IronWolf is worth any complaint of a little extra dB for the longer lifespan. I switched to using EXOS for my DS2419+II which is simply worth the TCO value over time to know my NAS array will have solid uptime and performance. Honestly, the 12 EXOS drives spinning 24/7 isn't more noticeable audibly than my primary workstation at my desk. iPerf3 tests show I'm reliably getting 8-9Gbps over the 10Gb NIC copper; definitely the better performer when doing Virtual Machines or Docker containers and especially for real-time video/photo editing. But the most important question, "What's your data worth to you?" My Best Disk Buying Tips: 1) Always buy the best you can afford 2) Don't short-change the value of your data when shopping for storage 3) Always buy N+1 cold spare drive (if your data integrity and up-time matters to you when the $h!t hits the fan) 4) Buy with intent for reliability of devices to fail... nothing is perfect, so build into RAID 5 or 6 (best) and plan for (at least) one drive to eventually fail over time, 5) Try to buy matched drives by type and capacity. Mixing drives and using dynamic RAID formats is nice, but nothing beats a RAID 5/6 with matched capacity for speed and reliability. Lastly, I also try to buy disks in mixed batches so that I can have some drives from different production runs (think QA control to offset any disks that might have a repetitive mfg issue.)
I worked as a PC Technician in the late 80s and again in the mid 90s. I know it's a long time ago, but I saw significantly less failures of WD Drives than Seagate. Couple that with the only HD Failure I've ever had was a Seagate. So I stopped used them completely by 2000. I've never had a failure since. While other people I know who are in particular or Seagate fans are regularly telling me their stories of HDD failures.
Over the years I collected a box with broken stuff, all my failed had’s are inside. So there is 4 Seagate, 1 Toshiba that is totally my fault since I dropped it and 1 WD. Swore to myself never use Seagate, so since 2017-18 been using only WD and up to now had 0 troubles.
I have Exos and they are loud. When they are searching you hear these strong TOK TOK TOK. I can even hear it downstairs in the floor below. Otherwise they work great.
Love your channel and I'm learning a lot. I wanted to share a recent experience with Seagate Ironwolf 12TB hard drives. I ordered five drives for a new Synology DS1522+ and three of the five were dead on arrival. They did not work at all. I've been using a DS716+ for about six years with Western Digital hard drives and have experienced zero problems. I'm going with five Western Digital drives to replace the Seagate drives. BTW, I did move them around in the NAS confirming that it's not the NAS. The NAS was making strange beeping sounds and the green drive lights never came on for the defective drives. The Seagate drives were also deeply discounted at B&H Photo so I'm suspecting they were off spec or something similar.
Timely video for me. I’m buying a 1522+. I used the drive selector and decided on these but they are not listed on the synology compatible list. Should this be ok or should I find another!! Seagate IronWolf Pro 4TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 128MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Service - Frustration Free Packaging (ST4000NE001)
Perfect timing for your video! I’ve just picked up a Synology DS1621+ to replace my old Drobo, I was just beginning to look at what hard drives I should purchase to populate my DS1621+. My Drobo has original older 3TB and 4TB WD Red drives (CMR) but I need larger capacity drives to go in my Synology to have enough space to migrate my data across. Would the Seagate Ironwolf or Exos be my best options then, also what would NVMe SSD would you recommend for use in the 1621+ as a cache?
Either the IronWolf or Exos are fantastic options. I chose Exos for the extra MTBF reliability and data center proven spindles. The Samsung Evo Pro SSDs are the best out there, but depending on your use of the Synology DS1621+ you may not see much performance gain with the file transfers as if you would by adding the 10Gb NIC card. I have both upgrades and found the NVMe cache has done little to accelerate my R/W performance for normal file sharing/transfers. If using the DS for VM's or Docker then yes, adding the SSD cache would be helpful.
@@MatthewMorseCA Thanks for the reply. I've settled on using Seagate Exos drives as my main storage and just waiting on them going on special offer before ordering. Is it worth going with the Samsung 970 Pro over the Evo Plus? I'm guessing it's to do with lifespan of the drive (Read/Write) and overall drive performance?
Very informative. Surprised at your recommendation for Seagate as I thought WD had a better reputation generally- but as a home user considering an NAS, the Synology brand Toshiba drives make the most sense.
Bought a 920 plus about a year ago. Started with WD 2Tb drives. Now have two WD 20Tb drives installed. Just purchased two more identical WD 20Tb drives, and Synology software won't let them initialize. There is a workaround using SSH, but I hesitate without instruction. This is like removing car features after purchase, and it's not right. Unable to add more data, and stuck at 86 percent.
I've never had good luck with Seagate drives. Their drives have always failed. When showing hard drive health via multiple different health check software. it would always show in excellent or good condition but then completely die on me without warning. All the western digital drives I've had have properly shown drive health on when hey are reaching poor condition. Because I've had multiple seagates fail on me I will never buy them again.
Thank you and I will have to look for some cheap stand alone drives to harvest. I have an older six bay Synology NAS with. 2 empty slots, that should not be a big risk. Do you have any concerns? I am not too tech savvy but am willing to experiment. Cheers.
I’d really like someone to test the startup draw on these NAS and Enterprise drives. As your NAS gets older and the drives get bigger they put more strain on the power supply, which is usually not got much headroom. My power supply went out after placing a 16TB Toshiba in my fifth slot, that I had never used before. Synology basically said that the drives I had migrated to over the years were probably drawing too much power. Some of the large server manufacturers, like 45Drives, have a feature where the drives will start up sequentially to reduce that initial spike. This is a feature I’d like to see in the smaller NAS systems. I could find nothing about startup current on any of the manufacturers websites.
Not sure if this is a HDD or NAS question. I’m looking to set up a NAS that will be part file storage, part Plex server and in the near future a surveillance NVR. Could I/should I use IronWolf Pros for the file storage and Plex server RAIDs and a NVR class drive for the NVR or should I use IronWolf Pros for the entire NAS?
I am a small business user with DS 1621xs+, I would not buy Synology HDD unless they drop their price to keep in line with other brands. CMR sata 7200rpm exos
I only buy reds for my storage. I have external enclosure WD units that have been going strong for multiple years where I'm constantly writing data to them (security camera footage). But I also have backups for these units just because I know they will fail. Plus the warranty is normally shorter than buying reds directly.
May years ago my work used Seagate drives all the time, but most of them failed including the replacements. So Seagate left a bad impression for me. I've stuck with WD and have been happy. I do notice my WD Red drives in my Synology 918 are a tad noisy at times for my home office. I have 6 Synology units with WD drives, all have been working great.
I have heard similar things from guys who worked with Segate 10-15 years ago! seems like they have gotten themselves together but its hard to get that kind of a bad taste out of your mouth
@@SpaceRexWill I had so many problems with seagate 10+ yers ago, but for the past 5 years we are using in the studio heavily seagate ironwolf hdd and never had (knock on a wood) any issues
Will, so did you purchase the EXOS drives and how did you get around the compatible firmware version Synology requires which is SN02 for the 16TB drives since they appear to only be available with SN03 or SN04? You are correct that they are less expensive than the IronWolf / Pro.
I bought a drive to shuck for less than half the price of the drive bought separately, it's still going, super slow drive though i imagine that is why it ended up in an enclosure
It is also not uncommon for USB hard drives to simply have recertified hard drives installed instead of completely new ones. Recertified are hard drives that were sent back to e.g. Seagate, WD etc. due to a defect or other reasons, then checked and/or repaired, the SMART entries were reset and then reused. I once had 2 USB hard drives, both of which were from WD, where the USB controller was defective, but the hard drive was still OK and I removed it and the sticker on it said Recertified
There are several models of the IronWolf disks: IronWolf, IronWolf Pro, IronWolf NAS and then those with different transfer rates or Max. Workload Rate. This is quite confusing! I ask myself every time anew, which model I should now use in a Synology NAS.
As far as I can tell (have looked at those before) they are designed to be OEM clones for business who want to buy a dell, but don’t want to pay dell 4x the cost of the hard drive. I probably would look at something like a cheap Exos before going for those unless there was a really good price reason
how to like storage no need to connect to net ? or always connected to net ? this one like a harddrive in pc because i need to more storage thanks for the answer
Thank you very much for sharing your thought for once more. I am about to upgrade my DS220j synology to DS920+. Following your info i am about to stop using WD Red and turning into buying two drives Exos X 16-14 TB. What is your opinion about those drives? Is there any big difference with the X18 you suggest? I also checked Synology's list with all the compatible drives and i realized that the disk i am looking for, also the one you suggest are out. Should be safer to buy a little smaller disks as long as i am about to use SHR-1 for the very beginning? and therefore the Ironwolf would me more ideal for me? Thanks
Is it better to buy large drives if you have a LOT to store? Thinking for backup....25TB of current storage (approx), I'm thinking using the NAS ability to self back-up the data.
Either buy one of the largest if enough (for your 25gb not yet, maybe near September if you're willing to wait for the 26+gb HDDs to FINALLY be released to the market) Or go raid5 with at least 4 drives and just scale as much as you need. Raid 5 can rebuild all your backup if any of it's constituent drive goes bad. Making your backups Ironclad. All for the cost of losing ONE drive that will keep your data safe. Dont go Raid0 tho as I mentioned earlier, as if any of your drives goes dead, you lose everything, even if just ONE out of X goes bad. Personally, If I was getting a DS1522+ I would stuff it with 5x WD Red Plus drives, probably the 14TBs (so 4x14 = 56TB - fifth dive is for data parity) I am building my raid from 4HDD in my new computer tho and most likely am going for the 22gb drive if I can get a good deal, so 66tb for me. As I said, I will never lose my data unless I get a catastrophic failure of that PC. I would still save the most important data on another external backup drive tho, just in case, but a single drive would be enough for that. Good luck !
So I've got an Ironwolf 4 TB. My main concern has been that I've got it partitioned with 1 TB dedicated to Surveillance station. I know that Skyhawks are better for camera footage. In your opinion are the Ironwolfs ok to use as dual purpose for NAS use AND cameras? I'm debating whether or not to buy another Synology (mine only has two bays) with four bays, two of which I could dedicate for Cameras with a Skyhawk.
Man, your videos are top notch and really helpful. I was set to buy 2x8TB WD REDs but now I'm considering Seagate Ironwolf (or Ironewolves bacause I need two of them :-) Good work indeed. I will forgive you your taste in shirts and sometimes weird almost-out-of breath way of speaking :-).
I've bought my first Synology NAS for testing, just a small 2 drive system and am really impressed with the operating system, functionality etc. All the videos I've seen use traditional hard drives. Is there any reason not to use SSD's as the storage media?
It's really simple: SSDs are expensive. Even 10-15 years after their first occurrence, they are still at least double the price of hard disks on the lower side.
Thank you. That is a great tip about the Exos drives. 👍 Would the Exos 18 Sata 3 be a good choice. 2 of them and beginning with my first Nas ever , the DS1522+ ? And what kind of Raid setup schould i choose ?
I've run both and defaulted to Exos for the better MTBF and data center reliability. With 12-drives the dB isn't anything louder than my core workstation, and you can set the DS fan controls on many Synology NAS, too.
@@MatthewMorseCA not the fan what is loud. The thicking sound the HDD gives or read and write. Way freakin loud and anoying. This is why I dont use them anymore.
Never used an Exos drive but I see the price per gig is way lesser than an ironwolf drive or the standard Seagate. I just need them for a plex server migration. Not sure how they'd work in a Plex server. Anyone use them? Any issues?
Personal experience - Ironwolf was really good at first but it seems companies build a name, then make worse stuff relying on the name, then release a new series. I had been recommending ironwolf, but the last couple of years, for me at least, have been poor. 2 DOA and the replacements failed in two years. Total failures were 3. My ironwolf drives from the first few years are still running. My first two wd reds had a good run, but the ones after not so great. Running HGST at home, with one Toshiba I had to get because there were no other drives available that wasn't 3x the price in the middle of the pandemic and I had a wd red failure. Personally, never had a hgst fail. We'll see what happens going forward. Again just my experience. Also I find backblaze's reports interesting.
Excellent video, thank you very much, within this world of disks for NAS and its entire metaverse... At the same total capacity in a RAID 5, which is better, many low-capacity disks or few high-capacity disks? For use as a home stream of music and use of lightroom, is the use of SSD disks justified instead of HDD? Thank you.
Thanks for the info on HDs. Someday I may replace my current (DS1019+) Synology NAS but not anytime soon. I probably will replace drives before the NAS unit itself.
Very informative video, kudos for that. I have a 5 bay Synology that is meant for personal use (DS 1019+), I have 5X12TB WD 5400 RPM in it, 2 of them are WD RED and 3 are shucked easystore drives. My question is: Can I replace any of them with a WD Plus 7200 RPM? My goal is to replace all of them gradually, one at a time.
So i have a 2 bay Synology and i've bought 2 Barracudas for it by mistake. However, after watching this video i kinda feel like i'm just going to go ahead and use them as i'm literally only using it for TimeMachine backups on 1 mac. Maybe some storage but it won't be in constant use. I feel like i'll be ok no...? I mean the data's not sensitive so if i lose it all it's not a problem. I guess i'll just buy the NAS drives when/if the worst happens.
Recent subscriber... your vids are always worth the time to watch. Can you comment on using the newest and largest hard drives on Synology? I am OK with forgoing tech support on the drive but want to know if a particular drive "should" work. For me specifically I want to use EXOS 18TB drives on a DS1520+. Are there any architectural or size issues that would result in incompatibility? Thanks, Tony
Synology is based on Linux and Linux is able to run with 18 / 20 hard drives no issue so I would say any issue you would run into would actually be synologys fault. That being said I have not tested any sizes larger then 16TB with a synology so I cannot verify it would work (but it should)
What about a raid 6 w/ hot spare using a in large arrays? I solved the supported drive error issue on the RS2821RP+. Using the 10G NVME cache network card... it moves data...
I'm sharing this on a couple of different video comments: I still use Western digital, but I acquired a certain standard for many different devices, and once certain qualities came into question, (For instance) ...I for the past 10 years, only buy Western digital Gold drives. They are Data Center quality and in 10 years I have NEVER had one go bad. ...Just say'in. - P.S.: I do NOT use SMR. SMR drives are not even allowed in the front door.
I am planning to buy Nas. My friend told me that WD are worse than symology. I was considering wd es2 ultra, but it has much worse specs than synology 223 or 224+. Drive will be needed only to backup data, maybe rarely to access the data. Which one should I buy? Which drive should I get? I am trying to understand if synology 223 or 223j will be enough, and I think yes, it will be. Am I correct that more expensive Nas like 224+ are for more professional use? And that they differ only with hardware? What is the difference between 223 and 223j?
I don't know if anyone said anything about it but I looked at prices just now since I'm planning to get another newer NAS at some point and like to look beforehand... I have a Gold from before but since WD has done what they've done I've started looking more at Seagate as well and... The price difference between Exos and Ironwolf Pros could be due to there being two different Exos-models. I found one that was 400 SEK (I'm in Sweden) cheaper than the other, both being 4TB Exos. Noticed one was mentioned to be 512n, the other 512e/4kn, so different sector sizes and less compatible with older software/hardware. Could be what you saw back then as well... The newer standard 4kn is cheaper :p Might not work with all NAS:es though. Would be loathe to find out my new drive just won't work in the NAS.
Great Video!! I am researching for a purchase of a NAS. I like the DS920+ but I have a question about adding more hard drives in the future. if i went with 3 drives to start with say 4TBx3 drives. can I add a four drive that is larger then 4TB to gain more storage.
Ok but right now 3x6TB WD RED (WD60EFRX-68MYMN1) and I've to replace one drive in RAID5, can I use Segate IronWolf 6TB and mix HD from different vendors?
Hi, Thanks for your channel and sharing with us. I just bought a DS220+. Is it possible this NAS doesn’t recognise basic WD Red Plus HDD (ref : WD40EFPX). It’s seems Synology isn’t very transparent about that 😕.
New Video, if you don't have it. I have a DS920 with 4TB drives in all bays on RAID 5. It is 90% full. I want to replace the drives with 16TB. Can I do it by swapping out a drive in the RAID one at a time?
Yes you can. Make sure to first backup your crucial data just in case something happens as if a disk failed while the NAS was being rebuilt you would lose the volume.
Hi very informative info on synology and i have one and like synology. I was trying to upgrade and have offsite backup and this month got super great discount on 16Tb Exos, they were on 42% discount at 320 bucks each. So i'm an getting upgrade :), keep up good work.
I have over 16 Seagate 16TB Exos drives for my 2 NAS machines.....1 died and I submitted an RMA with Seagate...BACK IN JULY 2023, it is not well into October, I have no replacement, when I contact them they say they are "out of stock" and will replace "soon", and this goes on over and over again. Their warranty has no deadline, how is this legal? They still sell the drives on Amazon and Newegg, always in stock there, they should just send me a check to purchase a new drive if that's the case, this is ridiculous!
Because of this, I never want to purchase another Seagate product again, what good is a warranty if they never honor it!?!?! I no longer have a cold spare on hand if another drive fails!
Hi Rex , I have a DS420+ and I have filled it up with Toshiba N300 drives (PN starts with HDWG4xxUZSVA) which are probably the same as the Synology branded ones. Also they tend to have more Toshibas in the compatibility list than the others. They were also cheaper than the WD Pro and Seagate Pro… Firmware was 0601 as Synology recommended.
I’ve had several Seagate drives fail, and warranty replacement is fought. Yes, they will replace them but will question you and make you work for it. It’s as if they offer a warranty only to those serious enough to push back, thinking it will save them money. The opposite is true for me, I try and NEVER recommend Seagate drives to any client unless they demand it.
Thanks but what do you recommend? I was looking at newer EXOS 7E10 8tb drives from home NAS.
@@zainahmed6258 -- I should admit I have a few running Seagate's and the clients are happy, but they have had zero failures. I prefer WD or Toshiba.
Edit: If you get Seagate's, ask the client or end user to purchase them themselves, not you, and strongly suggest they print hardcopies of all receipts, every charge record, photos of the install, Amazon Receipts, installation notes, etc., put them in an envelope and tape them to the bottom of the NAS. And also write the date of warranty expiration on the envelope. If the drives have different purchase dates or sources, do the same with a sharpie on the drive before installation. Not joking, Seagate will argue with you about everything, THAT drive is older and out of warranty (Date sold to the vendor not end user), THAT drive was not sold to you but whatever the reseller's name was. The hours I have spent tracking down, printing, emailing, etc. receipts for customers would boggle your mind. And on 2 clients behalf, I just purchased another drive and gave up on Seagate support as it just wasn't worth it (but the client was worth keeping happy).
@@Erin-Thor Very strange how internet is divided. I found out the WD has lost its spot and is now producing less reliable drives which break unexpectedly. Seagate EXOS is the way to go. I would prefer Toshiba but only one retailer in Australia has some in stock and they are N300 6tb for $320. When you say WD then which WD and which Toshiba? At the moment i can only afford upto 8tb of space which is plenty for me for storing photos and family videos. Currently EXOS 8tb 7E10 are on sale for $299 same as Toshiba N300 6tb and Ironwolf (not pro) 8tb.
@@Erin-Thor Thank you for sharing such valuable experience. I am just getting into the world of NAS and I know its going to be one expensive one down the line 🙂
Yeah, I've had 2 WD drives crash in the last 2 months. My 2nd crashed this afternoon. I'm done with WD
I recently purchased the DS920+ and love it!! I started off 6 years ago with the base WD cloud drive and was always disappointed with the speed. You get what you pay for I guess. When they announced they were ending the security updates early this year I was fuming!! So I started shopping for another unit and determined not to ever buy a WD NAS again. I found Synology, and LOVE the speed! I have 2x 6TB WD Black hard drive and it works really great. Thanks for your videos and I may hire you one day when I want to upgrade my system. Thanks again.
WD cloud is BS. I transformed my wd cloud mirror to xpenology and still using this device like synology NAS.
Advice & Assistance: Hello, I currently have a DS920+ Nas with 4, 4TB drives, and Synology RAM DDR4-2666 Non-ECC SO-DIMM 4GB (D4NESO-2666-4G) . My RAID configuration is SHR1.
I'm looking to replace/upgrade one of the drives to a 16TB. When I went to purchase, I saw 2 different kinds and wanted to insure I get what is compatible with the other 3 remaining drives.
Descriptions:
Current drives - Seagate IronWolf Pro 4TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 128MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Service - Frustration Free Packaging (ST4000NE001)
Replacement options - Seagate IronWolf Pro 16TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - CMR 3.5 Inch SATA 6GB/S 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for Raid Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Rescue Service
Or
Seagate IronWolf Pro 16TB Enterprise NAS Internal HDD Hard Drive - CMR 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Rescue Services - FFP g (ST16000NTZ01)
I will eventually replace/upgrade all the remaining drives. What’s the difference, and which should I choose to go with in your opinion?
Thanking you in advance
I'm old enough to remember about two major scandals for each major HDD manufacturer. Every time, they tried to hide it from customers. It's practically SOP for the industry.
Seagate has sales on their website from time to time.
That’s how I wound up with 4 14TB IronWolf Pros for my first nas experience. In a Qnap ts-473a.
Awesome so far!
I own a Synology 416 Play which is an update from the 411j. I migrated the drives in 2017 from the 411 to the 416, so I still use the same four WD20EARS 2TB for about 10 years! Never seen one fault report from SMART. My NAS is configured in BTRFS with snapshot, RAID 5, local backup and critical backup in the cloud, so whenever a drive fails, I wil replace them one by one.
Toshiba N300s for me. Replacing all my seagates and WDs. Actually cheaper for me too. Glad to know that Synology is rebranding the Toshibas but the price hike for their logo is a bit off. Just get the Toshibas and not the Synology logo ones.
On the topic of SMR drives: It can also lead to a RAID failure when there's not enough free storage left. Happened to me and I changed all my WD Reds to Ironwolf after WD had to admit that some of their WD Red models were SMR drives.
I just bought eight 14TB WD Red CMR drives for $279 ea on Amazon. Excellent price. I usually get Iron Wolf Reds, but I was filling a DS1821+ and could not pass up the $279. It is nice to have 86TB of space :). I also upgraded my Synologys to 16GB RAM, 1TB m.2 caches, and a 10G NIC. I also use the 1621+ with 8TB Iron Wolfs as a NAS backup for important files on the 1821. The new project I just finished is a TrueNAS box with a 12400k, 64GB DDR5 RAM, ROG B660-I MB, four 16TB Exos Drives, JONSBO N1 case, Asus 10G NIC, and a 750w SFF PSU! It is a gorgeous NAS!
Damn, that's a lot of porn!
I started out using an IBM 360 , IBM 370 , and later, an IBM System 3. Yep, a Jurassic Park of the 1970s. Throughout that time until now, I haven't seen anyone be so fucused and so honest for everyone who is watching the video. I have listened to great advice from former MICROSOFT people who always have been available to great things. Your time in explaining everyting in NAS is honorable and very appreciated. I hope others understand why. Tute, si rece vixeris. If John Lennon
was a techie, he would love this. Thanks!
Thanks!
Lol fortran for the win :) started off running a IBM 360 moved up to a 360/40.back in the stone age
@@oranaz551old timers unite! 360 with REXX and COBOL, assembler. Then as400, then z series. Good old days! Now relaxing by the beach 😊
i got those seagate exos and I think they are just fine sound wise.
I have a DS918+ with Ironwolfs and just built a DS910+ with Exos. Both have been flawless so far.
I went with 5 16TB Seagate EXOs in my Synology 1520+ in Raid 6 few months ago (1st time buyer). The noise isn't bad but its a lil strange hearing a light knocking or spinning up sound out of the blue. If you're able to keep your NAS in another room you'll never notice it. I can't do that with my apartment but I've gotten used to it. Unless they die on me anytime soon, I'd buy them again.
Seagate IronWolf is my go-to for Synology. I purchased 8 10TB Ironwolf drives for a project, and about one year later 6 drives began to show sector errors. I contacted Seagate - they covered replacements, and in fact, I received 12TB replacements, Seagate stated they were out of 10TB drives. I paid to ship the failed drives and Seagate paid for the shipping to me.
100% satisfied with Seagate. Side Note: the 6 drives that were failing all were within 100 serial numbers, so it must have been a bad lot.
Great to know! I have had the same experience when I have had to do an RMA
I have 4x seagate barracuda drives. 2 of them are in my system in Raid 1, and the 2 others are hard backup copies that I use to backup the two in the system whenever I add/remove major amount of files. These are stored on a shelf in a dry, cool and dark place. So far this has worked fine.
Be warned that Barracuda drives have issues as they aren't properly being read by software for drive health. I've had multiple drives that either clicked or took a long time to start spinning show as excellent health only to fail with no warning. When monitoring drive health I've never had issues with Western Digital.
I've had SGT and WD fail on me, so I started buying Hitachi and Toshiba. After the takeover of Hitachi by WD, I'm now exclusively on Toshiba. Love them.
I have always used Ironwolf NAS and have never had a problem. Currently, I am thinking of changing to Exos because they have the same specs and you get a much longer life for the money.
Thank you for great explanation. Your way to explain is so detailed and I love it.
My firt NAS was configured by your tutorial. I really love your channel and subcribed immediatly. You do very valuable content. Keep doing what you doing man.
Thanks man! Really glad you like it!
Thanks for your comparison, you have great videos, very informative. I had a Synology RS2016 and changed 7 out of 12 Western Digital Red drives. I have switched to the Ironwolf 10Tb since 3 years that are working extremely well in a Synology 1019. Keep up the good work.
I have the opposite experience - 4 ironwolf drives failed within 6 months of purchase - replacements started failing also so returned them and got my money back. Running WD Red 8 TB fine for 2 years now.
I'm running 5 x 16TB IronWolf Pros in RAID6 in my latest Synology 1522+. Same price as the EXOS as that capacity at the moment. I've had great success with the IWPs in the past, plus you get warranty direct with the manufacturer rather than the distributor!
I just bought a synology DS1522+ (from Amazon) along with 3 used Seagate EXOS 14TB HDD from ebay ($115 a piece). I installed the three drives in the 1522 and it says they aren't on compatibility list. I used them anyways but I don't know if I should replace them with another drive or not.. something on the compatibility list. I don't see why they wouldn't be on the list as they are enterprise NAS HDD's. The drives I got are the ST14000NM000G.
Just did a quick price check and at the time of writing a 16TB Synology drive is more than twice the price of an Ironwolf Pro in my market.
A few comments… I have four 16TB EXOS drives in my RAID and they hardly make a sound. Whereever you got it from that they're noisy, I don't know. As for Toshiba, a friend of mine has a raid with four of them as well and they just run - no issues - and they're silent as well. These modern drives all have helium atmospheres which probably makes the difference.
PS: The RAIDs mentioned are both Linux RAIDs, run with Debian and various controllers (mostly LSI9211 SAS controllers). Since SAS has a SATA compatibility layer, it all works.
When you buy a Seagate 5TB 2.5 inch external USB enclosure, you will find a very low power consumption and very silent Seagate Barracuda 2.5 inch SATA drive in it. These drives have 600000 load/unload cycles. You will find exactly the same in each external enclosure from Seagate. Combine 4 x 5TB in a 4 bay NAS and you get 15 TB of storage :-). Very silent, low power consumption and also very lightweight.
Good comparison review and discussion. The amazing reliability and MTBF with the EXOS drives vs. IronWolf is worth any complaint of a little extra dB for the longer lifespan. I switched to using EXOS for my DS2419+II which is simply worth the TCO value over time to know my NAS array will have solid uptime and performance. Honestly, the 12 EXOS drives spinning 24/7 isn't more noticeable audibly than my primary workstation at my desk. iPerf3 tests show I'm reliably getting 8-9Gbps over the 10Gb NIC copper; definitely the better performer when doing Virtual Machines or Docker containers and especially for real-time video/photo editing. But the most important question, "What's your data worth to you?" My Best Disk Buying Tips: 1) Always buy the best you can afford 2) Don't short-change the value of your data when shopping for storage 3) Always buy N+1 cold spare drive (if your data integrity and up-time matters to you when the $h!t hits the fan) 4) Buy with intent for reliability of devices to fail... nothing is perfect, so build into RAID 5 or 6 (best) and plan for (at least) one drive to eventually fail over time, 5) Try to buy matched drives by type and capacity. Mixing drives and using dynamic RAID formats is nice, but nothing beats a RAID 5/6 with matched capacity for speed and reliability. Lastly, I also try to buy disks in mixed batches so that I can have some drives from different production runs (think QA control to offset any disks that might have a repetitive mfg issue.)
Another in depth review. Thanks so much! How do you know if your WD drives are either CMR or SMR?
I worked as a PC Technician in the late 80s and again in the mid 90s. I know it's a long time ago, but I saw significantly less failures of WD Drives than Seagate. Couple that with the only HD Failure I've ever had was a Seagate. So I stopped used them completely by 2000. I've never had a failure since. While other people I know who are in particular or Seagate fans are regularly telling me their stories of HDD failures.
Over the years I collected a box with broken stuff, all my failed had’s are inside. So there is 4 Seagate, 1 Toshiba that is totally my fault since I dropped it and 1 WD. Swore to myself never use Seagate, so since 2017-18 been using only WD and up to now had 0 troubles.
I have Exos and they are loud. When they are searching you hear these strong TOK TOK TOK. I can even hear it downstairs in the floor below. Otherwise they work great.
Love your channel and I'm learning a lot. I wanted to share a recent experience with Seagate Ironwolf 12TB hard drives. I ordered five drives for a new Synology DS1522+ and three of the five were dead on arrival. They did not work at all. I've been using a DS716+ for about six years with Western Digital hard drives and have experienced zero problems. I'm going with five Western Digital drives to replace the Seagate drives. BTW, I did move them around in the NAS confirming that it's not the NAS. The NAS was making strange beeping sounds and the green drive lights never came on for the defective drives. The Seagate drives were also deeply discounted at B&H Photo so I'm suspecting they were off spec or something similar.
I am very satisfied with DS920+ with 4 pieces of WD 18TB Gold (WD181KRYZ). Running 24/7/365 fifth year.
Timely video for me. I’m buying a 1522+. I used the drive selector and decided on these but they are not listed on the synology compatible list. Should this be ok or should I find another!! Seagate IronWolf Pro 4TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 128MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage, Data Recovery Service - Frustration Free Packaging (ST4000NE001)
Perfect timing for your video! I’ve just picked up a Synology DS1621+ to replace my old Drobo, I was just beginning to look at what hard drives I should purchase to populate my DS1621+. My Drobo has original older 3TB and 4TB WD Red drives (CMR) but I need larger capacity drives to go in my Synology to have enough space to migrate my data across. Would the Seagate Ironwolf or Exos be my best options then, also what would NVMe SSD would you recommend for use in the 1621+ as a cache?
Either the IronWolf or Exos are fantastic options. I chose Exos for the extra MTBF reliability and data center proven spindles. The Samsung Evo Pro SSDs are the best out there, but depending on your use of the Synology DS1621+ you may not see much performance gain with the file transfers as if you would by adding the 10Gb NIC card. I have both upgrades and found the NVMe cache has done little to accelerate my R/W performance for normal file sharing/transfers. If using the DS for VM's or Docker then yes, adding the SSD cache would be helpful.
@@MatthewMorseCA Thanks for the reply. I've settled on using Seagate Exos drives as my main storage and just waiting on them going on special offer before ordering. Is it worth going with the Samsung 970 Pro over the Evo Plus? I'm guessing it's to do with lifespan of the drive (Read/Write) and overall drive performance?
Very informative. Surprised at your recommendation for Seagate as I thought WD had a better reputation generally- but as a home user considering an NAS, the Synology brand Toshiba drives make the most sense.
IronWolf was my choice also when I first got into NAS, it's still what I have
Bought a 920 plus about a year ago. Started with WD 2Tb drives. Now have two WD 20Tb drives installed. Just purchased two more identical WD 20Tb drives, and Synology software won't let them initialize. There is a workaround using SSH, but I hesitate without instruction. This is like removing car features after purchase, and it's not right. Unable to add more data, and stuck at 86 percent.
I've never had good luck with Seagate drives. Their drives have always failed. When showing hard drive health via multiple different health check software. it would always show in excellent or good condition but then completely die on me without warning. All the western digital drives I've had have properly shown drive health on when hey are reaching poor condition. Because I've had multiple seagates fail on me I will never buy them again.
Thank you and I will have to look for some cheap stand alone drives to harvest. I have an older six bay Synology NAS with. 2 empty slots, that should not be a big risk. Do you have any concerns? I am not too tech savvy but am willing to experiment. Cheers.
I’d really like someone to test the startup draw on these NAS and Enterprise drives. As your NAS gets older and the drives get bigger they put more strain on the power supply, which is usually not got much headroom. My power supply went out after placing a 16TB Toshiba in my fifth slot, that I had never used before. Synology basically said that the drives I had migrated to over the years were probably drawing too much power. Some of the large server manufacturers, like 45Drives, have a feature where the drives will start up sequentially to reduce that initial spike. This is a feature I’d like to see in the smaller NAS systems. I could find nothing about startup current on any of the manufacturers websites.
Thanks for the SMR & CMR topic, Its Helpful
Not sure if this is a HDD or NAS question. I’m looking to set up a NAS that will be part file storage, part Plex server and in the near future a surveillance NVR. Could I/should I use IronWolf Pros for the file storage and Plex server RAIDs and a NVR class drive for the NVR or should I use IronWolf Pros for the entire NAS?
I am a small business user with DS 1621xs+, I would not buy Synology HDD unless they drop their price to keep in line with other brands. CMR sata 7200rpm exos
Yeah, I really hope they do not bring the Synology hard drive recommendation down to the smaller units!
I only buy reds for my storage. I have external enclosure WD units that have been going strong for multiple years where I'm constantly writing data to them (security camera footage). But I also have backups for these units just because I know they will fail. Plus the warranty is normally shorter than buying reds directly.
May years ago my work used Seagate drives all the time, but most of them failed including the replacements. So Seagate left a bad impression for me. I've stuck with WD and have been happy. I do notice my WD Red drives in my Synology 918 are a tad noisy at times for my home office. I have 6 Synology units with WD drives, all have been working great.
I have heard similar things from guys who worked with Segate 10-15 years ago! seems like they have gotten themselves together but its hard to get that kind of a bad taste out of your mouth
@@SpaceRexWill I had so many problems with seagate 10+ yers ago, but for the past 5 years we are using in the studio heavily seagate ironwolf hdd and never had (knock on a wood) any issues
It's weird and goes through cycles. I had SO many problems with WD Drives, especially Raptors. Switched to Seagate with no problems...
Will, so did you purchase the EXOS drives and how did you get around the compatible firmware version Synology requires which is SN02 for the 16TB drives since they appear to only be available with SN03 or SN04? You are correct that they are less expensive than the IronWolf / Pro.
I bought a drive to shuck for less than half the price of the drive bought separately, it's still going, super slow drive though i imagine that is why it ended up in an enclosure
Who still miss Maxtor drives, my favourite brand of HDDs ever
Just bought two 4TB Seagate Ironwolf's a week ago to replace a failing WD 6TB drive in my Synology DS215J, which now employs Raid. Happy with them.
Nice!
I was going to go with the EXOS drives but I didn't see them on the Synology compatibility list...? Would've been nice to save some $$
It is also not uncommon for USB hard drives to simply have recertified hard drives installed instead of completely new ones.
Recertified are hard drives that were sent back to e.g. Seagate, WD etc. due to a defect or other reasons, then checked and/or repaired, the SMART entries were reset and then reused.
I once had 2 USB hard drives, both of which were from WD, where the USB controller was defective, but the hard drive was still OK and I removed it and the sticker on it said Recertified
There are several models of the IronWolf disks: IronWolf, IronWolf Pro, IronWolf NAS and then those with different transfer rates or Max. Workload Rate. This is quite confusing! I ask myself every time anew, which model I should now use in a Synology NAS.
What about Water Panther Arsenal series? I'm trying to stay very, well cheap so I'm thinking about getting a couple "renewed" drives on Amazon.
As far as I can tell (have looked at those before) they are designed to be OEM clones for business who want to buy a dell, but don’t want to pay dell 4x the cost of the hard drive. I probably would look at something like a cheap Exos before going for those unless there was a really good price reason
how to like storage no need to connect to net ? or always connected to net ? this one like a harddrive in pc because i need to more storage thanks for the answer
Thank you very much for sharing your thought for once more. I am about to upgrade my DS220j synology to DS920+. Following your info i am about to stop using WD Red and turning into buying two drives Exos X 16-14 TB. What is your opinion about those drives? Is there any big difference with the X18 you suggest? I also checked Synology's list with all the compatible drives and i realized that the disk i am looking for, also the one you suggest are out. Should be safer to buy a little smaller disks as long as i am about to use SHR-1 for the very beginning? and therefore the Ironwolf would me more ideal for me? Thanks
What about SSD drives?? I have some of those, but they're not on the synology compatibility list. Samsung 870 evo. 860 is on the list, but not 870.
somewhere i read that synology switched to seagate for their "own drives" as well
can someony confirm please
Have you looked at the Exos Mach 2 dual actuator drives? If so, do they work as intended in a Synology NAS?
Setting up a new NAS. I currently use an SSD on my laptop and really like it. Is an SSD a good idea for a Synology NAS?
Thank you for the video thats great information!
Is't Toshiba getting hot? I have WD red and they worked for years, non smr.
Is it better to buy large drives if you have a LOT to store? Thinking for backup....25TB of current storage (approx), I'm thinking using the NAS ability to self back-up the data.
Either buy one of the largest if enough (for your 25gb not yet, maybe near September if you're willing to wait for the 26+gb HDDs to FINALLY be released to the market)
Or go raid5 with at least 4 drives and just scale as much as you need. Raid 5 can rebuild all your backup if any of it's constituent drive goes bad. Making your backups Ironclad. All for the cost of losing ONE drive that will keep your data safe. Dont go Raid0 tho as I mentioned earlier, as if any of your drives goes dead, you lose everything, even if just ONE out of X goes bad.
Personally, If I was getting a DS1522+ I would stuff it with 5x WD Red Plus drives, probably the 14TBs (so 4x14 = 56TB - fifth dive is for data parity)
I am building my raid from 4HDD in my new computer tho and most likely am going for the 22gb drive if I can get a good deal, so 66tb for me.
As I said, I will never lose my data unless I get a catastrophic failure of that PC. I would still save the most important data on another external backup drive tho, just in case, but a single drive would be enough for that.
Good luck !
So I've got an Ironwolf 4 TB. My main concern has been that I've got it partitioned with 1 TB dedicated to Surveillance station. I know that Skyhawks are better for camera footage. In your opinion are the Ironwolfs ok to use as dual purpose for NAS use AND cameras? I'm debating whether or not to buy another Synology (mine only has two bays) with four bays, two of which I could dedicate for Cameras with a Skyhawk.
I would not worry about it! Ironwolfs are still rated for very high work loads!
@@SpaceRexWill Thanks!
I use ultra stars formerly hgst (hitachi) now purchased by western digital. Still better than the rest of WD line
Man, your videos are top notch and really helpful. I was set to buy 2x8TB WD REDs but now I'm considering Seagate Ironwolf (or Ironewolves bacause I need two of them :-) Good work indeed.
I will forgive you your taste in shirts and sometimes weird almost-out-of breath way of speaking :-).
Such great review once again.
Strange time happenning. Just bought Exoses into home NAS, just because they are cheaper than Ironwolves, not telling about IronWolf Pro
Isn't there a risk of external drives being SMR? Especially since base WD Red are SMR
Yes! With shucking drives you really want to put in some work to make sure you get good drives if you can
I've bought my first Synology NAS for testing, just a small 2 drive system and am really impressed with the operating system, functionality etc.
All the videos I've seen use traditional hard drives. Is there any reason not to use SSD's as the storage media?
It's really simple: SSDs are expensive. Even 10-15 years after their first occurrence, they are still at least double the price of hard disks on the lower side.
Wd red for em all the way. Luckily, we haven’t had any server yet that requires those Synology drives.
What about the old Hitachi, now WD, ultrastars? They are the all time stars of backblaze statistics on reliability...
can i use one iron wolf and one barraCuda seagate in DS220+ ?
Thank you. That is a great tip about the Exos drives. 👍
Would the Exos 18 Sata 3 be a good choice. 2 of them and beginning with my first Nas ever , the DS1522+ ?
And what kind of Raid setup schould i choose ?
I got the 6x10 TB IronWolf Pro. Exos is CRAZY loud compare to Ironwolf Pro. (IronWolf pro is also kinda loud)
I've run both and defaulted to Exos for the better MTBF and data center reliability. With 12-drives the dB isn't anything louder than my core workstation, and you can set the DS fan controls on many Synology NAS, too.
@@MatthewMorseCA not the fan what is loud. The thicking sound the HDD gives or read and write. Way freakin loud and anoying. This is why I dont use them anymore.
Never used an Exos drive but I see the price per gig is way lesser than an ironwolf drive or the standard Seagate. I just need them for a plex server migration. Not sure how they'd work in a Plex server. Anyone use them? Any issues?
Personal experience - Ironwolf was really good at first but it seems companies build a name, then make worse stuff relying on the name, then release a new series. I had been recommending ironwolf, but the last couple of years, for me at least, have been poor. 2 DOA and the replacements failed in two years. Total failures were 3. My ironwolf drives from the first few years are still running.
My first two wd reds had a good run, but the ones after not so great. Running HGST at home, with one Toshiba I had to get because there were no other drives available that wasn't 3x the price in the middle of the pandemic and I had a wd red failure. Personally, never had a hgst fail. We'll see what happens going forward.
Again just my experience. Also I find backblaze's reports interesting.
Where are you buying from?
@@SpaceRexWill @SpaceRex BH photo, "Shipped and Sold from Newegg," and Microcenter. The replacements were under manufacturer warranty.
Thx!
How about Toshiba HDWG21EUZSVA 14TB?
If they produce for Synology - and it have the sensor it sould be OK?
Excellent video, thank you very much, within this world of disks for NAS and its entire metaverse... At the same total capacity in a RAID 5, which is better, many low-capacity disks or few high-capacity disks?
For use as a home stream of music and use of lightroom, is the use of SSD disks justified instead of HDD?
Thank you.
I would highly recomend buying a NAS, and leaving a few bays empty. This way you can grow into more space without having to get rid of old hardware
Thanks for the info on HDs. Someday I may replace my current (DS1019+) Synology NAS but not anytime soon. I probably will replace drives before the NAS unit itself.
Very informative video, kudos for that. I have a 5 bay Synology that is meant for personal use (DS 1019+), I have 5X12TB WD 5400 RPM in it, 2 of them are WD RED and 3 are shucked easystore drives. My question is: Can I replace any of them with a WD Plus 7200 RPM? My goal is to replace all of them gradually, one at a time.
Thanks Rex, I'm going with Synology Ironwolf drives!
So i have a 2 bay Synology and i've bought 2 Barracudas for it by mistake. However, after watching this video i kinda feel like i'm just going to go ahead and use them as i'm literally only using it for TimeMachine backups on 1 mac. Maybe some storage but it won't be in constant use. I feel like i'll be ok no...?
I mean the data's not sensitive so if i lose it all it's not a problem. I guess i'll just buy the NAS drives when/if the worst happens.
Recent subscriber... your vids are always worth the time to watch. Can you comment on using the newest and largest hard drives on Synology? I am OK with forgoing tech support on the drive but want to know if a particular drive "should" work. For me specifically I want to use EXOS 18TB drives on a DS1520+. Are there any architectural or size issues that would result in incompatibility? Thanks, Tony
Synology is based on Linux and Linux is able to run with 18 / 20 hard drives no issue so I would say any issue you would run into would actually be synologys fault. That being said I have not tested any sizes larger then 16TB with a synology so I cannot verify it would work (but it should)
@@SpaceRexWill Thanks!
Hi, what about Samsung QVO ssd?
What about a raid 6 w/ hot spare using a in large arrays? I solved the supported drive error issue on the RS2821RP+. Using the 10G NVME cache network card... it moves data...
I'm sharing this on a couple of different video comments: I still use Western digital, but I acquired a certain standard for many different devices, and once certain qualities came into question, (For instance) ...I for the past 10 years, only buy Western digital Gold drives. They are Data Center quality and in 10 years I have NEVER had one go bad. ...Just say'in. - P.S.: I do NOT use SMR. SMR drives are not even allowed in the front door.
I am planning to buy Nas. My friend told me that WD are worse than symology. I was considering wd es2 ultra, but it has much worse specs than synology 223 or 224+. Drive will be needed only to backup data, maybe rarely to access the data. Which one should I buy? Which drive should I get? I am trying to understand if synology 223 or 223j will be enough, and I think yes, it will be. Am I correct that more expensive Nas like 224+ are for more professional use? And that they differ only with hardware? What is the difference between 223 and 223j?
I don't know if anyone said anything about it but I looked at prices just now since I'm planning to get another newer NAS at some point and like to look beforehand... I have a Gold from before but since WD has done what they've done I've started looking more at Seagate as well and... The price difference between Exos and Ironwolf Pros could be due to there being two different Exos-models. I found one that was 400 SEK (I'm in Sweden) cheaper than the other, both being 4TB Exos. Noticed one was mentioned to be 512n, the other 512e/4kn, so different sector sizes and less compatible with older software/hardware. Could be what you saw back then as well... The newer standard 4kn is cheaper :p Might not work with all NAS:es though. Would be loathe to find out my new drive just won't work in the NAS.
Great Video!! I am researching for a purchase of a NAS. I like the DS920+ but I have a question about adding more hard drives in the future. if i went with 3 drives to start with say 4TBx3 drives. can I add a four drive that is larger then 4TB to gain more storage.
We are getting Unverified drive for Seagate Exos drive? Can we use the unverified drive for Synology DS1522+ Please advise
Thank you Will! What about DSM 7.1 beta, do you recommend installing it? A brief DSM 7.1 highlight video would be great to watch. Take care! 😊
7.1 is really a business update, so I would always recommend waiting till release unless you have a real feature you need
Ok but right now 3x6TB WD RED (WD60EFRX-68MYMN1) and I've to replace one drive in RAID5, can I use Segate IronWolf 6TB and mix HD from different vendors?
Hi,
Thanks for your channel and sharing with us.
I just bought a DS220+. Is it possible this NAS doesn’t recognise basic WD Red Plus HDD (ref : WD40EFPX).
It’s seems Synology isn’t very transparent about that 😕.
Was about to go with EXOS but a huge sale went on for WDs Ultrastar line so went for that instead, hopefully they can last long enough.
Nice! 100% go with where ever the sale is at (esp if they are high quality)
How are they doing? Noisy?
I want to buy 4x WD ultrastar 16TB for my nas, they are a lot cheaper than WD gold here lately.
@@the_bogeyman. occasionally they to make a bit of noise but nothing unacceptable, none of them have failed yet.
@@ArrangingFear56 thankyou.
wd had a sale recently on its gold drives.
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New Video, if you don't have it. I have a DS920 with 4TB drives in all bays on RAID 5. It is 90% full. I want to replace the drives with 16TB. Can I do it by swapping out a drive in the RAID one at a time?
Yes you can. Make sure to first backup your crucial data just in case something happens as if a disk failed while the NAS was being rebuilt you would lose the volume.
Why not the Toshiba N300 pro?
Hi very informative info on synology and i have one and like synology. I was trying to upgrade and have offsite backup and this month got super great discount on 16Tb Exos, they were on 42% discount at 320 bucks each. So i'm an getting upgrade :), keep up good work.
Yeah those are crazy cheap and I still can't figure out why