Single Length Irons- Are They Worth the Hype?
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2021
- Single-length irons have become a hot topic since Bryson DeChambeau added them to the bag and then started winning while using the irons. But can just anyone benefit from one-length irons? VP of Instruction, Nick Clearwater, and Director of Teaching Quality, Brad Skupaka, discuss the topic and see how well these particular irons gap out in a standard bag.
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Seriously guys, when you’re already that biased, why bother? Did you really think this was an objective analysis for a one length set? This should have been a teaching video in a course on confirmation bias. The concept works for me and my improving 6 handicap and I love my one length set. I’m a current Golfec student and the instruction has been great, though I have to admit (nothing personal), it’s probably a good thing I didn’t end up as one of yours.
I concur, the arrogance is almost palpable. Not everyone is a 3,6,9,18 handicap. Some need another alternative else they'll give up the sport. The game has a bad enough image already, it doesn't need further despondency.
Yes these guys were bias from the start and it didn't even sound like they actually gave these a try.
I've been playing the Cobra King F8 one length irons for a couple of years and cannot imagine ever going back to conventional irons. I presently have 6i - GW down - struggled with the 5i so have a SIM Max 4h and 5h. The SW and LW are conventional lengths and that's mostly for feel....i just couldn't get used to the longer length for the shorter shots that i would use those clubs for. Changing to the one-lengths has helped me bring my index down significantly; lessons have helped (incl. GOLFTEC) but the positive impact of these clubs on my game cannot be denied. I have not tried any of the other one-length clubs that are available to know if the loft and lie angle methodology they use would improve or hurt the experience I've had with the Cobra F8 one-length irons.
Wishon Sterling SL, same weight, length and lie are awesome. Played them for one year and absolutely love them. Now if I could only putt maybe I could break 80.
Putting is a key piece. Do you struggle more with speed or starting line
It seems to me you guys completely missed the mark on these clubs. Was this video Intended for GOLFTEC students or tour players? You start with the assumption that everybody hits it straight and never top, fat, or thin. Most players will never know how far they hit their 4 iron because most can’t hit it consistently let alone hit it 230 yards. I’m actually a GOLFTEC student and my first lesson dealt with where my 7 iron bottomed out. This helped me tremendously hit the ball straight with a slight draw. Do I care if it only flies 150? I’d be quite pleased with a 4 iron that I could consistently hit 180 instead of the occasional 200 plus at the cost of the usual slice, top or chunk. This is where a set of irons like these would have the greatest benefit to average player trying to break 100. Honestly how many golfers who break 80 are students at GOLFTEC? Oddly the more I think about it the more I think these irons would benefit my game-despite your “review”.
Hi Joe Pa, Brad Thorberg here with GOLFTEC. Thanks for the feedback and thoughts. Also, thanks for being a student! You bring up several good points here, and diving more into types of players this may or may not benefit or pros vs cons would have been a great way to actually shoot this video. I'll take note for future videos. Appreciate the feedback. Cheers
Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶
"It made it hard to figure out when one I was grabbing." Yeah, that's why they have numbers on them.
About 85% of the gapping in irons comes from loft differences, with length making up the rest. In single-length clubs, adjustments need to be made to the clubheads. Wishon uses two different types of faces to accomplish this, with high-COR faces with low-lofted irons and a softer face for high-loft irons and wedges.
Every spec should be the same with your irons. Length, lie angle, weight, MOI, swing weight, offset, everything.
Yes, slower swingers can cap out at the 5- or 6-iron with single-length. But those slower swingers should be hitting hybrids instead of 3- and 4-irons anyway.
My swing speed doesn't change throughout the set. But I've been playing single-length clubs for 6 years now. I don't want different lie angles or amounts of offset. The whole idea of going to single-length clubs is to swing them all the same way. If your swing speed is changing, you're doing it wrong.
You're missing a sand wedge, which should fit that gap between the LW and the GW.
If your 4-iron is carrying less than your 5, you've topped out and should be hitting a hybrid instead. Wishon actually makes hybrids that can be assembled to fit the single-length iron set. I use the 4-hybrid for that purpose and it plays very much like a 4-iron would. Of course, it's the same length, weight, etc of the rest of my irons set. (I have mine built at 36.5", an 8-iron length.) The Cobras are typically built at 37"--7-iron.
Yes, you need to do fitting to get the carry distances you need by tweaking the loft of each club, as needed.
My 8-iron swing speed is 86mph, so I didn't have any gapping problems in the set. (I'm 62 and slowing down.)
The LW isn't very useful around the greens, but awesome with full shots from the fairway. Why? Because of it's length, it is just too flat to be flexible with chips, pitches, and lofted shots. You can choke down on the grip, you can open the club face, but you cannot do both. It brings the toe into play if you do both. Thus, I use a conventional LW, which I use in most greenside bunkers anyway.
This video didn't even BEGIN to address the main benefit of these clubs: grooving a consistent swing. It has made my short irons more accurate, even though the clubs are longer than traditional, and it makes my long irons more accurate (because I'm swinging a shorter club). Consistence (accuracy and distance) is the desired aim of iron play.
Hey Rich thanks for the comment and feedback. Really appreciate it. Helps us improve our content. We actually sat down with the lead product engineer this year and chatted more in depth. ua-cam.com/video/bwN1pHYeLXw/v-deo.html
I have single lengths and my friends said that I’ve been playing better. Also I’m a former golftec member
Great Video guys, I think people who try one length irons, like me, struggle with the long irons. The solution I found sounds stupid, but I use a single length 20 degree hybrid to replace the long irons in my bag. As I've found with a bit of practice, full and 3/4 swings get you 3i & 4i distances. If you then choke down on the grip and do the same you can get 5i and 6i distances. What do you think of this?
Hey MrSitemaster2, that does make sense. We see many players struggle with proper gapping in the single length iron sets. They do tend to create better contact but can't get the carry distance needed out of the longer irons, so switching to hybrids is a good solution there. Glad you were able to find something that worked for you. 👍🏽
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings Also I find the 7i length of the hybrid makes it versatile and so easy to use from: tees, fairways, rough, divots, fairway bunkers etc. It's also good for chipping and bump and run shots around the green and I even putt with it occasionally.
Can’t believe the one length concept isn’t taking off, it’s definitely getting better but why not try them.
Completely agree on the loft gaps. I would absolutely try one length irons if someone would make a set with reasonable loft gaps. I don't want 20 yard gaps between my scoring clubs.
20yd gaps is a bit much
I have been playing one length for a while now, I will say this, they work great IF you have a single plane swing, and you use the clock system, like Dechambeau. Otherwise, yeah that have stupidly wide gaps between them. Hope that helps
If you are a solid striker of the ball, delivering consistently and not delofting too much on impact or adding loft, and you still have a gap then yeah.. bend it.. but be honest with yourself if you can hit 5-10 shots within 5 yards or less regularly (same spin, apex, shape) with the same club in anything to compare to.
@@laogx4026 I play off a +5. Competed in college. Actually played one length irons for about 5 years. I strike it very well and yes can hit it within 5 yards very consistently. But when you have a wedge with 5 degrees loft gap, swing driver 120 mph, adding 2-3 inches in club length to a wedge gives you a massive jump in clubhead speed and yes I had 20 yard gaps between all 4 of my wedges. Now I play conventional wedges with 4 degree gap and I'm down closer to 12-13 yard gaps. My game between 150-90 yards is substantially more lethal now. Find myself Way less in between yardages
@@kourt2469 well you are definitely a more experienced golfer than me. I played varsity basketball and football in high school and then just worked out through my undergrad. I jumped to a 15 handicap from a complete hacker in a year of ever playing golf and I taught myself using physics logics and intuition and developed a single plane swing on my own as well as finding variable length clubs extremely frustrating and when I switched to a single length I started being able to play consistent bogie golf on any course, any length and occasionally get some pars and birds speckled in with one length. Right now I’m working on extremely straight low side spin shots and controlling spin but gapping has been about finesse for me not swing all out on wedges. But it seems like you like to swing a full on each wedge and want a cap on your distance? Larger gaps can be dangerous but right now, I’m ok with finesse and ok with launching 25 yards over a “standard shot” to get extra height and stopping power. Do you think there are other drawbacks to larger loft gaps or is it mainly just capping a full standard shot?
I play SL irons and have noticed that I do try to swing faster with lower lofted clubs. I have also seen that my 5 and 6i carry about the same distance but 5 has a lower trajectory. Most high handicappers could benefit from SL clubs if they play smart.
Thanks for the comment and the view. Glad your finding a benefit with the single length clubs. sounds like you just need to work a little on the gapping on the high end.
Everyone should play smart.
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Hello VP of Instruction, Nick Clearwater, and Director of Teaching Quality, Brad Skupaka, I do understand that equipment knowledge is not your specialty. However would you not think that handing a beginner single length clubs would be much better for them? Pls investigate before answering. Stay metal. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻 Metalheads Golf
Hey Metalheads Golf, this is Brad Thorberg with GOLFTEC. I would agree that doing a study with beginner golfers playing a set of clubs fit for them that are single length, vs traditional would of been a great way to provide factual data.
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings Yeps ... but don't you agree with one swing plane and one ball position and one distance to the ball everything throughout all the same length irons would be better? It would be easier as every swing would be the same? 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Well at GOLFTEC we coach our students to setup with the same ball position for every club except Driver. Then with your traditional length clubs, they are built with different lie angles to accommodate the change in length so you setup in the same posture for every club. Allowing you to swing the club the same.
To keep it simple the longer the club get's the harder it is to find the middle of the face. So with the single length irons you are effectively making it harder to hit the middle of the face with your PW-8 iron but easier with your 6-5 iron. So it would come down to which clubs do you use more.
But like we said earlier, best way would be to test it out with a wide net of beginner golfers and see what the data says. Very hard to say.
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings On a didactic level you know it it incorrect. Learning one swing without any variants is always easier then multiple. It will be easier to replicate and thus gring into the body and motoric function. But feel free to collect data if you think there is no logic in this. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I'm curious if one of the issues that they are having was they changed ball positions for each of these clubs that affected their numbers.
it does, with one length clubs you always want the same ball position.
You can move the ball front for longer draw shapes and back for shorter fades as well as adjust ball flight front vs back in stance. You just need to know where you bottom out in the swing naturally and adjust to get steeper or shallower as well as holding the face or shutting and keeping open. Your standard full shots and preferred shape will dictate your "single" or typical ball position and swing. These are not one-dimensional playing clubs; they just reduce variable length to loft variable only, swing weight, technology for what you want the clubs to accomplish, they also maintain swing speeds through the clubs for the most part. It's like using a single lithium-ion battery vs the type of batteries you have to alternate in a specific pattern +/- just right to work.
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Summary of the purpose and motives of this video..I will add, getting fit for gapping and lie angle, shaft is still great.. and well.. I’m “that guy”.. 1 year experience, 3 months with one lengths (37.75”) 170mph max ball speed, 90yard 62W to 220+yrd 5iron carry numbers all one length. Thinking of 3H one length as well. Lob wedge takes a lot of finesse but can flop shots 2-3 yards over 8-10ft. I have 5 wedges, around 240H,2603W,280Driver carry (~110 swing speed avg) but I’m also a single plane swinger and I have a very upright posture where I don’t bend over the ball.. I’ve hit 220, zero sidespin 7iron before on trackman so clubs can all be cranked up and extra gear if you have it physically and get used to them. I can actually almost add 25 yards to all my clubs like a 150 gap wedge by de-lofting and low on the face I played a full 18 with when I was getting new irons (p-5) and only had d,3w,H…
These clubs are different and for new unbiased golfers they could make you really good in a short amount of time due to “one swing” (with 5 shapes,3 apexes) the head weights may be different and tempos may be a little different as well and there is still ball position changes for pitching, chipping and different shots it is just very much always left nut off center for the most part.
Why are the lie angles so upright in the long irons ? 64 degrees seems nuts ...an the wedge lies are 61? seems back wards.
@@alexjohn5086 i think it should all be same lie but when you use longer single length irons you have to put more effort to swing further in the 6,5,4 irons and that tends to create more of a throw on the downswing that goes out to in path so the upright on the long irons may be to reduce some fade bias or something like that if I have it backwards
Would choking down on a std length 4- iron have the same effect as the "same length" 4-iron? Or does choking down on std length 4-iron reduce weight of club?
The lofts are built differently across the set of one length clubs to help hit proper trajectories and carry distances.
How do two non golfers host a spot on a golf channel? Thank goodness I never involved myself with this channel! I think I might start a channel on rocket science.
Hi Tony, Brad Thorberg here with GOLFTEC. Are you referring to the two guys in the video as non-golfers?
Nick Faldo always stated that he had the same club head speed regardless of club
I'm really on the fence about going to single length. I'm strong with my irons but also super inconsistent with them.
Do you tend to hit the ball higher or lower?
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings Yes.
if BOBBY JONES played with 1 length irons and the club heads were all the same wt. why are most instructors not so keen on them today... i would think BOBBY JONES would still use same length/1 length irons today...
Hey highlanderthegreat, Brad Thorberg here with GOLFTEC. That is a great question and one that is always debated back and forth amongst us professionals. One of the biggest struggles for 80's and up shooters is distance control with their clubs. So one of the big things with single length irons is the lofts and gapping issues. When you look at tour players, they are on a different level all together in controlling their distances. Does lengthening the shorter clubs hurt the armatures contact while making the longer irons easier to hit? Do you hit 8 though wedge more then 6-4? All great questions dependent on the individual golfer. These would be cool stats to track so we had better hard facts to see. A fun question I always like to throw out there is, Do you think Tiger or Jack would of won more majors with single length clubs? Always fun to debate.
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings thanks for the reply, i will add this.. i read somewhere, and i am sorry i dont remember where but the SHARK ol greg norman said that knowing what he knows now about 1 length/same length clubs if he new about them back in the day he would of used 1 length clubs to play with. he did not go into details or anything and he also said if he had a son starting to play golf today he would get him using 1 length /same length clubs today....to bad BOBBY JONES in the late 60s never talked about same length clubs back in his day and the clubs in with steel shafts and hickory shafts.. although he did get sam sneads croquet style putting band only because he though it did not look dignified .my personal opinion is what difference does it make, stand however you want to make a putt and put it in the hole to win.. the name of the game is to win. like in tennis, some girls use to hit what they called MOON BALLS... you play however you need to , to win...
same with balls , just go back to the old balata golf balls to not have the balls go so far and let the ruff grow a little longer to take the sting out of long long hitters, or put more flowers or plants in places to give guys that only hit say 260 to 285 but put it in the fairway and they hit it GIR make if you hit is 320 or longer if you dont keep in the fairway you are put at a disadvantaged... just some of my thoughts on not having to keep making the course longer. just make the course harder....
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings well how about keep the clubs from say 7 iron or 8iron and 9 iron and pitch W and sand W the same length but make the 3 iron 4 iron 5iron 6 iron 7 and 8 iron the same length..then also adjust the club head wt to the same say around 280grams or maybe 285 grams.. on the 3 to 7 or 8 iron.... more mass more distance...after all golf is about physics as well.. wt and speed as wellbut the guys who have lower swing speed will get help for the heaver club head.. again more club head mass more distance.also the loft of the club has a lot to do with distance the lower the loft the greater distance the ball will go....but in IMHO most golfers have a fav iron that they always hit the best when you get to to longer irons ..maybe the 8 irron or 7 iron or even the 6......the one iron you hit the best is when you should make the longer irons the same length then make them all the club head the same wt around 280 grams to 285 grams.. so even if you keep the same swing speed but the club head is heaver the ball will go further.....doing that is truly doing club fitting.. ok yes i am starting to sound like BRYSON DeChambeau.... but golf is also a lot of physics .. club head wt and swing speed and loft....all things considered..... same club head speed but heaver club and same loft the ball will go a longer distance that is physics......
Single length works for me.
Playing with them for 4 years now, golf is fun again 🏌🏽♂️🤙🏽
Cobra did the worse job of implementing the single length design. before Golftec comes out to the conclusion they don't work do more research. The Pinhawk irons, One iron golf irons, Edel, and Wishon. if you continued to do that you may have found they also have single length hybrids for longer irons. So how about trying those and coming back with an update.
And Moe Norman used one length irons
Hey Mark thanks for the dropping some knowledge here. Appreciate it!
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings Wouldn't this be something you should have known?
Wow, this was terribly biased from the outset. Do you really expect to see good results when by your own admission, this is your first time swinging these? This is one of the more useless reviews I've seen. When Golftec starts providing lessons for SL length golfers, I suspect they will post a favorable review.
Dadx IV, first off thanks for the view and the feedback. We will work harder in future to bring a less biased approach to reviews.
Not only that, but Cobra just recently got in on the game, and need to do more research themselves. Edel, 1iron, and Wishon have been fine tuning their irons for a long time, so these gapping issues aren’t the same.
Honestly, this was a waste of time...just another reason I don't go to most places like this for clubfitting advice. I've been building my own clubs for 20 plus years, and in my best days before a signifigant back injury, I was a 4 hcp and above average length hitter. I am toying with the idea of buidling a 5-pw set, and have found heads that are far better loft gaps than Cobra offers. A 39° loft 9 iron is actually a 7 1/2 iron at best. I agree with what someone else posted, "how do these guys have a spot on golf channel?" One other thing, for someone who supposedly plays so little, I would have to see him hit a 5 iron 225 plus yds to believe it.
I'll make sure to never watch another one of your reviews. You're here to go into a review with an open mind that matches the view of the viewer who decided to search a product and click your video.
Hey Mitchell, Brad Thorberg here with GOLFTEC. First off I appreciate the view and the feedback. As the new content creator I will surely note this and focus on producing videos that are truly open minded in the near future.
@@GOLFTECLessonsFittings sorry to come off so harsh. But yeh I don't think the videos on this channel are inviting. Decent amount of views but with very little interaction (likes and dislikes). The content of the instructional videos might be really good, but they aren't being presented well. A channel with this amount of information and insight should have far more subscribers after 4+ years of content.
I'm sure that's why you are the new content creator. Good luck with the future of videos (guinely). Find instructors that have a lot of personality. And try to keep the videos shorter 8-12 minutes is going to bring you your peak amount of viewer retention, even if you have to break topics into multiple parts. Breaking it up also makes it easier to upload daily or almost daily with the same amount of filming. More frequent uploads will let more people see your videos.
@@mitchelllinley9738 thanks again. I really appreciate your feedback, suggestions, and your time. We will be working hard to provide high value content in a more engaging and fun way.
I’ve knocked 6 strokes off my score using one length in less than a month. Terrible review
Rowan, Brad Thorberg here with GOLFTEC. That is awesome you've had so much success with the change in equipment. Also, thanks for the view and the response. We do appreciate the feedback as it helps us make better video's in the future. Cheers
Way to start out a review. Bashing it before you ever hit them. Players didn't see the need to be in peak physical condition before Tiger. Quit being so stubborn and trying to be a tradionalist. Like you're too bougie for one length. We get it you're a good golf player. But 90% of us aren't, and don't have the time to get better at long irons. We just want to go have fun and strike the ball well, who cares about gapping when you can't hit a 5 iron to save your life
Mitchell, first off thanks for the view and feedback. My name is Brad Thorberg and I'm the new content creator here at GOLFTEC and appreciate this feedback. This will help me with future content and to work with our Team to produce unbiased but high value video's in the future. Thanks again for the feedback.
Brad
Not sure two guys could come off more cavalier than these two clowns.
Appreciate the feedback
They dont weigh the same
Hey Iuan, this is Brad Thorberg with GOLFTEC. First off thanks for viewing our content. Are you referring to the total weight or the swing weight?
In this video when they talk weight they are talking the swing weight is the same all the way throughout the set when the measured them which they found interesting because in a traditional length set the head change weight to keep the swing weight the same as clubs get longer and shorter. Hopefully that makes a little more sense
Stopped watching after 2 minutes because the bias was clear in your opening comments. Thumbs down. 👎
Unbelievably boring review
appreciate the feedback. What would of made it more engaging for you? We are always looking to improve our content. Thanks
Helpful but you guys literally put me to sleep.