Biblical Inerrancy: What Does It Even Mean?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2023
- Biblical inerrancy is extremely important, but how do Christians define it today? In this clip from his online course, 'Jesus vs. The Culture', Frank shares some of the various views held by Christian scholars regarding inerrancy and gives one example of when it's best to avoid the topic.
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An atheist is one who responds to the theist claim their god exists with "I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU" where in fucks name does that require faith????. Atheist an independent individual that doe's not accept the CLAIMED existence of gods. That is all there is to being an atheist, nothing more, nothing less, it's not a belief gods do not exist, it's not even an UN belief, the opposite ofa stamp collected is not an UN stamp collector, how in fucks name is an atheist in need of faith, not to believe a theist claim!!!!!.
My testimony: After being an atheist for 8+ years, and "married" to another female, I got the urge one day to say out loud "IF there is an Almighty God that does NOT wish us pain or sorrow, please bring me truth, I wish to know you exist". Then God immediately started bringing me the answers I had been searching 8-11 YEARS for! I witnessed Him take control of my internet and the rest of my reality; He first proved to me that demons exist (I called them "interdimensional beings"), then He proved His own existence when He didn't have to, which I later found to be Jesus Christ. As soon as I found Jesus at the end of 2020, He IMMEDIATELY took away my transgenderism, bisexuality, depression, daily suicide attempts, self harm, bulimia and anorexia; and He did this all without me asking Him to, because THAT'S how merciful and loving He is! Praise God!
God bless you hope you enjoy the peace and love of Jesus in your life 🙏.
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GOD BLESS Glad to hear the transforming power of God is working in your life. Keep sharing your story it is a powerful witness. 🙌
Oh praise God! I'm so so happy to hear that, my sister! I was delivered from similar things and am now healing as I'm living for Christ.
Praying God continues to guide, develop, protect and give you wisdom for each day and situation. God bless you, in YESHUA / JESUS name 💖🙏❤
Wow, this is so good. It seemed to me you were trying to find the one thing that was missing in your life, and you found it. Or should I say, it found you. Totally warms my heart.
Awesome CE, God bless your amazing work
Yes it's an amazing channel if you don't want answers and just be told you are right there is a god without evidence.
When are you going to be honest with me and admit the following,
You know you can't prove god, you know that if you were to truly follow the Bible you would have to be immoral. You know that the bible when read in it's entirety shows that the biblical god is a murdering monster, but you think people got the god you believe wrong and you like the idea of the god you want to exist?
When you are honest it will set you free.
Praise God was talking about this for days with someone trying to explain it and Praise God now cross examine talking about it. Seem this is a very important topic cause you get people like Andy who change things around and everyone is okay with it.
This is surely a miracle from God to see this old topic resurface just days after i been blue in a face stressing it to someone and they wont even listen.
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>>This is surely a miracle from God to see this old topic resurface just days after i been blue in a face stressing it to someone and they wont even listen. ""
Are you listening to what they are saying? Not saying you were not, just asking because a ton of people are not really listening, they are just waiting for their chance to speak and while you are talking, they are thinking and not fully paying attention to what you are saying.
@@macmac1022 That Cross examine talked about the inspiration of scripture? That was a miracle if you just read what i said. 🤩😀😀
@@sorrowinchrist3387 >>That Cross examine talked about the inspiration of scripture?""
I am asking if you understand what that person you were blue in the face stressing about they they do not listen to you. Do you listen to them?
>> That was a miracle if you just read what i said. ""
In what was was it supernatural?
@@macmac1022 Faith is beliving what is not seen, have faith. 😁
@@macmac1022 You apply faith all the time when you cast magic. You practice it every day.🧐
Our goal as followers of Jesus is to approach Scripture reverently and prayerfully, and when we find something we do not understand, we pray harder, study more, and if the answer still eludes us humbly acknowledge our own limitations in the face of the perfect Word of God.
Yes, just be sure we are rightly dividing it as God commands in II Tim 2:15.
II Tim 2:15 KJB
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
That is so sad.
People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics.
#1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral?
#2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child?
#3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others?
#4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it?
#5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
@@Believe_the_Bible 💕
That’s what I said, but of course scripture says it best.
John 14:26🕊️
@@NewCreationInChrist896 Do you think John 14:26 is written to you? Really?
John 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Read the verse and understand Jesus was talking to the 12, not you and I. The Spirit is not doing that today.
FOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK TO UNDERSTAND OUR BIBLE:
When we read and study our bible rightly divided (II Tim 2:15) there are at least 4 questions we should ask, to help get a better understanding of its context.
1. Who is talking?
2. Who is being talked to?
3. What is being said?
4. Can I put myself in this text as being the one being talked to or about?
Then, the key is to NOT insert yourself into a passage that you don’t belong in, one that is NOT talking to or about you. If we do, our doctrine will not be correct.
Example: You may think you need to sell all you have or keep the law as Jesus taught in the 4 gospel books. And so you should do these things if you were obeying the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But those two things are not requirements for us today as it was for the Jews under the law to go into their earthly kingdom. We are to listen to Jesus' last words by the person who saw and spoke to Him last for the updated new information Jesus gave to him for us today - that would be Paul. Romans - Philemon. ALL scripture is FOR us but not ALL scripture is written to and about us.
I think what inerrancy is about is there isn’t a lack of connection to one another. Not everything that happened in the past we will fully know or understand, but we can make the best guesses based on the documented evidences and historical evidences of it. The same is true with the Bible, when we find two spots that seem contradictory, we can best understand what the authors are actually saying by looking at the historical contexts: what culture was this in? Who is the author? Who are the audiences? How does this relate to the gospel? How does it relate to God’s known character throughout the rest of the Bible? What time period was this in? Etc. It’s all about how they connect to one another and how they reveal God’s character. Throughout the entire Bible there is the same singular theme that is evident: Our need for a savior, God’s grace, the promise of the savior, and the fulfillment of the promise through Jesus.
The Bible judges us, not vice versa.
Hebrews 4:12
“For the word of God judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart”
How does that happen?
I'm a christian but I'm sure that Biblical Inerrancy isn't true. I know we like to believe that the Bible was written with the aid of the Holy Spirit and all that but we have no definite proof of it and it isn't in God's nature to do something like that. Remember the Tower of Babel, Jonah and so many more instances where God was amused by the blunders of man. He didn't expect his prophets to be perfect beings and carry out divine actions-he let them do his work through their own selves and God accepted them mistakes and all (I'm not talking about their sins, that of course God hated).
Also remember the Bible that we have today came to be only in the 4th century when the Council of Nicea came together. Scripture was all over the place before that and even the council couldn't distinguish right from wrong when adding books into the Bible.
So we shouldn't bothered about a mere book but instead focus our eyes towards God.
Honestly, this is a view that I respect.
The fact that they officially defined and promoted biblical inerrancy in Chicago in 1978 talks a lot about the unimportance of the doctrine of biblical inerrancy through the history of Christianity.
You can't cherry pick the Bible to fit the current culture like so many so called churches do today. People take scripture out of context and then try to mold it to fit whatever narrative. Study. Study . Study. If you dont understand something, talk to other believers. Bible study is so important. Either all of it is true or none of it. If none of it is true, then their would be no need for a Saviour. The Bible is God's love letter to us. Once we are saved, we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit who guides us in discernment.
Can you prove that?
Hey
@@mattr.1887What kind of proof would you accept?
Inerrancy - exemption from error
Error - a mistake.
the state or condition of being wrong in conduct or judgment.
You needed to have a meeting over what that word means to try and change it to fit the bible? No, makeup a new word and stop trying to twist other words meaning to fit your narrative. And when I am talking to christians and they say the bible is inerrant, they mean it has no errors, no mistakes.
^ This is exactly right.
You are absolutely in a chosen state of being wrong. You don't know God or the Bible yet you think you are smart enough to judge both. You are without excuse.
@@chloemartel9927 >>You are absolutely in a chosen state of bring wrong. You don't know God or the Bible yet you think you are smart enough to judge both. You are without excuse""
Chloe, you cant answer simple questions like at all. You have no legs to stand on when it comes to anything as you are as dishonest as a person can be. You are the absolute worst person in these chats for dishonesty. Please, just stop trying to talk with me and wasting my time. If you want to change my idea about you, answer the questions honestly.
People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics.
#1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral?
#2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child?
#3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others?
#4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it?
#5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
@@chloemartel9927Blah blah blah....
Yeah, we know you're a Christian zealot...
But you can't support any of your silly supernatural claims.
So you are without excuse.
@@chloemartel9927 yet no one can prove he exists?
This is proof that the whole book is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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What is this "proof"?
The Bible may be inerrant, however, it has glitches and contradictions. Contradictions in statements of individuals, punctuation, and versions.
Then by definition, it is not inerrant
@@kinggenius930 How so? The message isn't changed. Errors of statement, or punctuation, does not mean inerrant. Watch the video.
There are DIFFERENT versions of the Bible. The difference is in omission, punctuation, and use of language, not the central edicts of God. Those who say the Bible is without error, are wrong. What is without error, is the basic tenants of the book, submitted by some 44 authors.
The message is inerrant, the book has errors not associated with the message. On the other hand, you could nit pick, and see the only 2 passages concerning the thief on the cross don't jive.
Or you could note Paul saying " today is the day of salvation ",while Christ said when salvation is, and it ain't today.
So, for the most part, Sunday keepers say the Bible is inerrant, in their errant hypocrisy, while serious Christians know what's real contradiction or error. Make note of it yourself. Write who says the Bible is inerrant, you will find they be Sunday keepers.
A truly powerful and loving Father wouldn't resort to meager human documents with speculative claims from thousands of years ago as his means of having a relationship with you. No, this God would cut through all the nonsense and just appear.
Sorry, I forgot - God's not allowed to do that.
The book of james is for the people that will be in the 7 years of tribulation, which is the context of chapter 1
Yes, you got it.
Yes, just be sure we are rightly dividing it as God commands in II Tim 2:15.
II Tim 2:15 KJB
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The book of James is for the Spirit filled Church of today.
Pray to receive the Holy Spirit.
With God dwelling in you your level of understanding of Scripture improves immensely!
@@brucedavenport7016 I agree, but you don't find that in James for us today. Who is James talking to? See James 1:1.
@@Believe_the_Bible How can James not be talking to the Church. He begins verse 2 with "My brethren". That is his brothers and sisters in Christ. If you have repented, been baptised, are filled with the Holy Spirit and are walking in Christ then that means you.
What a bold statement
What "works" did the thief on the cross perform?🤔answer: NONE!!! Faith through GRACE alone!!! Praise God!
What act of faith did the thief do?
Innerency is most obvious by what the Bible says about human behavior. People never have been or will be good.
I can agree with that. No matter what standard of morality or Good we give ourselves, we always fall short of it. And it acknowledges our need of grace and a savior to meet us in our fallen state.
Inherent human flaw is not unique to the Bible. Nor does it prove the Bible is the word God.
@@mattr.1887 What's the flaw?
@@festushaggen2563
How do you know that all people will never be "good"?
There are all kinds of flaws that people have. No one is perfect.
What about in the days of the old testament? They didn't have historical and philosophical arguments and basically everything that the Bible calls "wisdom of men" to rely on?? How did people in the old testament days got saved?? By reading the old testament not some arguments.
Yes and no. Remember there were no scriptures for the 1st 2000 years of mankind. Moses wrote the 1st 5 books for the most part and he didn't show up till Exodus.
OT people were saved by faith in what God revealed to them at that time. We are saved by the same way - faith. But our faith is not in building an ark or keeping the law, it's in Christ DBR alone.
Also, be sure we are rightly dividing God's word as God commands in II Tim 2:15.
II Tim 2:15 KJB
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Peace and Grace.
Did they even have the concept of salvation?
That's a great question, Dux. And heavily under-appreciated. I'm not convinced the afterlife was something that Jews thought about much. And from what I can tell, they still don't to this day. Otherwise you would think the proper salvation formula would be all over the Old Testament.
@@mattr.1887
That´s the thing, when I read the OT is Israelites making a pact with Yahweh, they worship him and he gives them a land where they can prosper. It´s all very earthly.
@@mattr.1887 If you do not read the bible you will not get the information contained in it. This is proof from your statement not understanding that the OT people were to put their faith in what God required them to put their faith in at that time. It's ALL over the OT.
I know 🙋🙋 means solve for x
What?
If you have a problem with the innerancy of Scripture, you need to pray for and receive the Holy Spirit. God dwelling in you will clarify your understanding!
Yes, and also be sure we are rightly dividing it as God commands in II Tim 2:15.
II Tim 2:15 KJB
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So, the answer is saying a spell and waiting for magic to happen.
@@Mavors1099 Maybe if you believe in witchcraft.
As a Christian the answer is to put everything before God and to rightly expect signs, wonders and miracles to occur in your life as a result.
The best part of that is that it happens to tens (probably hundreds) of thousands of people every day.
Bruce, it sounds like your goal is not to find the truth but to make the Bible "true" at whatever the cost.
@@brucedavenport7016
Iy looks like you believe in witchcraft.
Ahhh. In other words, don't get sidetracked from helping them. Got it!
I think it's more like: this doctrine is completely indefensible, so don't even bother trying to defend it among outsiders. Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
@@incredulouspasta3304 and why do you think that?
@@JiraiyaSama86 Because in my experience, no Christian actually has a good defense for the doctrine, and they really really don't want to talk about it with someone who might be critical.
@@JiraiyaSama86 It's also a normal salesman strategy to not mention all the extra baggage/costs until after someone has been sucked in.
@@incredulouspasta3304 what exactly constitutes good defense for you?
So if Jesus teaches, we know that by what we read, and therefore we must first agree the bible to be reliable. It is intellectually and historically evident that this is true. Then is we find Jesus claiming to be the only way to the Father, as well as using the bible as His leverage to argue unbelievers, it is calling Jesus to be in error to reject inerrancy of the bible.
Circular reasoning
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@@Mavors1099 it would be if we have no reason to believe Jesus existed on earth apart from the witness of the Bible. Such is not the case, hence this is not circular reasoning.
@@SojournerDidimus
That Jesus existed is not a reason to believe that the bible is inerrant w he whatsoever.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:16
The moon isn't a light. It reflects the sun.
Frank, I should be considered in error, as I am not God, I am Jesus Christ Returned. I have come to judge the nations
Do you have internet in the mental house?
@@Mavors1099 I am God, I am Jesus Christ, I am the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega. No one comes to the Father except through me. I never knew you'd do this to me Judas, Never again
@@stephenkaake7016
You're a deluded idt.
I am Osama Bin Laden’s cousin in law, twice-removed, and adopted by a white couple in Scandinavia.
If our Lord said this.
Matthew 28:19 KJVS
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Then why just a few days later did Peter say this.
Acts 2:38 KJVS
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Every incident in the book of Acts where someone was baptized, it was in the name of Jesus Christ.
is it important in regards to theology.
Romans 6:3-6 KJVS
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
One God! One book the Bible!
“All scripture inspired by God!”
Amen! Yes, just be sure we are rightly dividing it as God commands in II Tim 2:15.
II Tim 2:15 KJB
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
There are more than one bible
@@Mavors1099 yes, best selling book all over the world! Millions
Biblical inerrancy means that the particular version of the bible you happen to read doesn't have any errors. We just ignore all the other versions, and past iterations, and current errors.
To clarify James is about works for people, not salvation.
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren,... this is saying how is your faith a benefit to others if you're not living your faith ie works.
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
If you're saved and you never share Jesus, live your faith, or help others, you'll still be saved but be useless to God.
This is NOT about salvation.
John 6:38-40
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Just some thoughts.
Yes, it's about salvation. Yes, works plus faith saves you, that's what James is saying.
@@Mavors1099 so how many works do I have to do to be saved?
In your view how can I be sure I’m saved? If I stop doing works will I lose my salvation?
@@mbfrommb3699
I don't know. James does not specify.
@@Mavors1099 Sure, but we're talking about a fundamental doctrine here -Salvation. Can you give me any answers from anywhere in Scripture?
I'm guessing you can't unless you ignore the context.
You're free to believe whatever you choose. What disturbs me about Western Christianity today is that there are a lot of heresies and false doctrines taught.
I find fewer and fewer Christians are able to identify them and have made Christianity a religion rather than a relationship with God.
I see so many Christians today who hate the Gospel, and who hate Jesus as He is. They have made an image of Jesus in their minds and He's who they want Him to be. That whatever they're righteously morally angry about must be what God is angry about. Whatever cause they think is just must be what God thinks is just.
Religion at its core is mankind's attempt to please God. To get to God by their efforts. That's why there are so many and today more and more Christians have Jesus as a religion rather than the Savior. We are not partners with the LORD in our salvation. He designed it, provided everything that was needed in Jesus, and offered it as a free gift to all.
It makes us feel self-righteous to believe we have a part (faith and works) in our salvation. That we did something to receive it. If you have to do anything to earn it it's no longer a "Gift" it's a transaction.
The Gospel is a 2 edged sword for our nature. It gives us hope that we are not beyond the grace of GOD to be saved, but it forces us to accept we are not part of our salvation.
Salvation is "repentance" the biblical term means "change of mind" people trust their "goodness" to save them whether it's the Pharisees 2000 years ago or people today.
We all believe we'll get to Heaven by what we do. Our works, our goodness, our effort. This is a lie. Jesus's preaching wasn't about morality or to do better. He showed us the standard was unattainable. It was if the bar was set at the edge of the universe and God said jump to save yourself. Impossible. So the LORD willingly came in human form lived a sinless life and bore our sins on the cross bringing the bar down and laid it on the ground. All we have to do is receive His gift and we are saved.
When we repent it means we change our mind about how we will get to Heaven, it's a change of mind about our "goodness". That we need a Savior.
Jesus showed us that the bar is impossible for us to jump over. He did it for us. And when we place our trust in Him to save us like we trust a chair to hold us up, we are saved.
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
"he who hears and believes in Him who sent me has eternal life..." Where does Jesus say we need works?
Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe in the name of the Son of God.
John 3:36
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Salvation is by faith in Jesus.
THEN comes the works we were created for. Not to obtain salvation, not to maintain our salvation, not to prove we are saved, but out of gratitude for salvation and to be of use to God for humanity in our salvation.
If we conflate Salvation and Service then Jesus becomes a religion because we will then focus on our works rather than the work He alone accomplished on the cross.
If I say that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone many will call me a false teacher. Then if I say that salvation (being Born Again) is a one-time event that you are saved forever, many more will call me a heretic.
Yet, Jesus with Nicodemus plainly compares being Born Again to our birth from our mom. Our Birth is a one-time event. Once we are born we are our mother's child. Whether we are Jesus or Hitler a saint or a serial killer, we are our mother's child. Nothing can change that fact. Being called child of God in John 1:12, and Galatians 3:26, tells us that when we receive or believe in Jesus we become children of God. We can never not be our mother's child and Jesus through the Prodigal Son showed us that no matter what the wayward son did he was always his father's son.
Paul in Romans 6 asks
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Paul can't ask these questions if we can't choose to sin and still be saved. "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?" This question implies that as Children of God when we sin the grace of God grows. Sin has no eternal power over us. However, sin has consequences.
Hebrews 12
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
Sin has its consequences like if I drink and drive I could go to jail, but it also has the chastening of the LORD as well because I am His son. Not out of wrath but out of correction, out of love.
I find many can't answer how they have an assurance they're saved because they don't know they are children of God.
Faith is believing that Jesus has saved us from now until eternity regardless of what we do. However, the Bible is clear that when we do what we want to do the LORD is not going to sit idly by. If we had to work for our salvation then the moment we see to work there would be no assurance and Jesus's death couldn't really save anyone.
Sadly, this in many churches is considered heretical. But I hope this helps. Take care.
@@mbfrommb3699
You diss religion and you come out with this unbearable long religious manifesto.. . 😔😔😔.
I'm just talking about what James thought, and he thought that works are needed in order to get salvation. You obviously don't agree with him.
inerrancy? nah I messed up a bunch in this book.
FOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK TO UNDERSTAND OUR BIBLE:
When we read and study our bible rightly divided (II Tim 2:15) there are at least 4 questions we should ask, to help get a better understanding of its context.
1. Who is talking?
2. Who is being talked to?
3. What is being said?
4. Can I put myself in this text as being the one being talked to or about?
Then, the key is to NOT insert yourself into a passage that you don’t belong in, one that is NOT talking to or about you. If we do, our doctrine will not be correct.
Example: You may think you need to sell all you have or keep the law as Jesus taught in the 4 gospel books. And so you should do these things if you were obeying the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But those two things are not requirements for us today as it was for the Jews under the law to go into their earthly kingdom. We are to listen to Jesus' last words by the person who saw and spoke to Him last for the updated new information Jesus gave to him for us today - that would be Paul. Romans - Philemon. ALL scripture is FOR us but not ALL scripture is written to and about us.
Jesus never met Paul, Jesus didn't talk to him, never saw him, never made him his messenger at all.
@@Mavors1099 Jesus never made Paul a messenger? Did you stop reading your bible in Acts 8?
1Tim 1:12 KJV And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Tim 2:7 KJV Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
2Tim 1:11 KJV Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
@@Believe_the_Bible
Acts 8 is an encounter with talking light... it doesn't count like actually meeting the person of Jesus.
@@Mavors1099No Jesus was there. They met.
It doesn't sound like that particular part of scripture is relevant to ANYONE who ever read it then. Why include Jesus answering a direct question about how to get in to heaven if the answer is incorrect, at least with regards to the audience reading.
God's message will forever be inerrant
There's no such thing as god's message. You have different religions where people claim to be spreading their god's message.
@@Mavors1099 their God is a demon in disguise so no
I'll just call the dump truck now....
@@marcellofunhouse1234
Their god is false just like yours.
The Bible’s message must be taken as a whole. It is not a mixture of doctrine that we are free to select from. Many people like the verses that say God loves them, but they dislike the verses that say God will judge sinners.
I've never met a christian that believes and follows the entire Bible. Not surprising considering it contradicts itself so often that it is impossible to actually follow.
@@somerandom3247 just because you don't understand something doesn't mean the bible contradicts itself
@@maow9240
I never said it did ...... It's the contradictions in the bible that mean the hi or contradicts itself.
@somerandom3247 every time I hear the bible contradicts itself it has always been because of misunderstandings. Something actually has to contradict in order to be a contradiction.
@@maow9240
You need the Holy Spirit in order to understand the Bible and the will to seek Jesus Christ for understanding.
Yes, learn about what Jesus teaches through the only one who spoke to and about the body of Christ, Paul.
Believe the bible IS inerrant.
Ps 12:6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Pure and preserved. I'll take God's word for His perfect preserved words over the scholars any day. KJB
It doesn't specify what "the world of the lord" is, though.
I'm curious why any Christian holds the doctrine of inerrancy? What is it based on? How do you know that the Bible is inerrant?
Most cite 2 Timothy 3:16. But that's the only verse I know of that talks about Scripture in that way, and even then, it's saying it's "God-breathed", not that it's "inerrant."
@@unsightedmetal6857 Yep, that's the one I most commonly hear. Also, that can't apply to the New Testament, since only the Old Testament would have been considered Scripture when it was written.
Given God's character as described in the Bible, being "God-breathed" (from that Timothy verse) does imply perfection and inerrancy, as God is perfect and without error and can not make a mistake or be wrong.
There's also John 17 :14-17 where Jesus says that what He taught was God's Word, and that God's Word is "truth".
@@schlauchmeister234 _"Given God's character as described in the Bible, being "God-breathed" (from that Timothy verse) does imply perfection and inerrancy"_
I don't think so. In Genesis 2, God "breathed into [man's] nostrils the breath of life", but that clearly doesn't mean that man is inerrant or perfect. It means they have life. I think that's what the verse was originally intended to mean: that scripture breathes life into people.
_"There's also John 17 :14-17 where Jesus says that what He taught was God's Word, and that God's Word is "truth"."_
Just because later Christians refer to scripture as "God's Word", doesn't mean every use of "word" refers to scripture. The "word" in that passage doesn't refer to scripture. It's the Greek word "logos", which John uses to refer to something like "divine logic/truth". It's the same word used in John 1:1, which can't possibly refer to scripture.
@@schlauchmeister234 "God-breathed" *could* imply perfection and inerrancy in Scripture, OR it could be looser and just mean that it comes from God. It is the Greek word "theopnuestos". It can be used as "God-breathed", "inspired by God", or "due to the inspiration of God". (Strong's Concordance)
The last usage there does not imply perfection. It would only mean that God was the inspiration for the writer to write what he wrote.
In John 17:17, the word translated "word" (logos) can be used as "a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy". (Strong's Concordance again)
This does not imply that the writings (Scripture) are perfect. It it saying that God's "word/speech/utterances" are true. They are related but are not equal. God can say things that are not Scripture, and Scripture can say things that God did not. (See 1 Corinthians 7:12. Paul explicitly writes something that is from himself rather than God.)
As Mike Licona says, if Jesus Christ rose from the dead, Christianity is true.
And, as I say, I haven't any reason to believe this Jesus arose from death for I haven't encountered any credible evidence suggesting such a resurrection.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Well, at least you know what you need to find out.
Why is commitment to the supernatural your only option?
@richardredmond1463 Correct. I do _know_ what I need to find out - if any particular god is a reality - and, so far, I see no evidence that suggests any are real. So, are you aware of any evidence?
@@mattr.1887 Hi Matt. God isn't the only option, but He is the more likely option than "nothing produced everything for no reason".
Alrighty: the title of the video asks what does inerrancy mean? And there is no answer provided. Indeed, Turek says you shouldn't mention it to a non believer. In other words, Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Why are people taken in by this?
Why have you been taken in by the devil? What was the attraction for you? It is the way of eternal damnation yet you embrace it.
@chloemartel9927 Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'devil'?
@@Theo_Skeptomai the devil working in non-believers is quite obvious.
@@chloemartel9927 You avoided my actual question. Was there anything preventing you from answering it?
@@Theo_Skeptomai what prevents you from understanding my answer?
How can you believe what Jesus said is true if the accounts of his actions and resurrection are inconsistent and even conflicting? Inerrancy is exactly the problem most of us nonbelievers have with such faith. To gloss over these matters when trying to “save” someone is like trying to sell a cake without mentioning the ingredients. Not wrong, but a bit manipulative.
Frank already answered your question in some older videos. Just look for them.
@@JiraiyaSama86 as I recall Frank usually argues for minimal narrative inerrancy but he still clearly believes in things like a physical flood. Everyone draws their lines differently.
@@RangerRyke ok. But those lines can sometimes go away or change, right?
Conflicting accounts is exactly what you'd expect from true stories that weren't a conspiracy.
If you were a member of the jury in a murder trial, and three witnesses all told the exact same story with no differing details, implying the same killer, wouldn't you be suspicious?
@@JiraiyaSama86 sure, it’s just hard to argue those lines on more than personal interpretation. My personal interpretation of scripture went from extreme inerrancy as an Evangelical Christian to now finding stories like the flood entirely errant do to scientific factors like geology. Many Christians may think of the flood as metaphorical but my personal interpretation of scripture is that it was literal because Jesus speaks of Noah as literal…in my opinion.
It means the regular people who wrote the bible messed up and thousands of years later people are still acting like it is the word of the god you haven't shown to exist.
Many people wall say only the original autographs were inerrant and thus considered Scripture. This is incorrect and unbiblical. God promised to preserve his words. They are still available to the world today. It’s called the King James Bible.
What version of kjv is the inerrant one? What about non-english speakers? And which was the inerrant bible before kjv was produced 1500 years after Jesus?
Use the KJV!
American? Aren't you? 😂😂😂😂
@@Mavors1099 African ;)
@@Mavors1099 and you? Cartoon Network?
@@christisthekingofkings777
African. That explains it... Never mind
It means you are wedded to dogma and ideaology at the expense of using your brain.
Well according to Frank and his mindless followers, inerrancy means ignoring all the glaring biblical errors about reality!
Do we know everything there is to know about reality?
@@maow9240 how is this relevant?
@@Bomtombadi1 because it depends on what about reality you are claiming the bible is in error of.
@@maow9240pretty much everything it talks about concerning reality it gets wrong.
@jamesw4250 just because your being incredulous doesn't mean the bible is wrong.
The fact that Frank is sputtering all over the place about inerrancy is what makes Christianity a genuine house of cards.
All it takes for a person's faith to collapse entirely is one fragile belief they think must be true turning out not to be true. That's why so many people have left Christianity over the past 70 years.
Atheism on the other hand is the only rational position regarding the existence of a god.
I see Frank triggered you again.
@@chloemartel9927 I don't think you understand what the word "triggered" means in modern lexicon and I don't think you're smart enough to engage with any comment in any tangible way.
@@Gek1177 amusing as always. You are also pegging out your IQ at about 50.
@@chloemartel9927that's cute but we both know that I'm smarter than you are so you'd better hope MY IQ is higher than 50.
@@Gek1177
You're smarter????????
Than what, an artificial house plant!
You do mean you're actually indoctrinated into not critically thinking and doing nothing but parroting your bigotry and hatred and animosity towards Christians!
What's smart about that princess?
Im just gonna share the gospel:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
@@jamesoneil1388 I'm not telling you that you was a real anything that is between you and GOD. If you come back to him fantastic and if you don't that is your choice. Either way it's not my business
We don't even know whether Jesus really existed!
You don't know. But he existed.
@@Mavors1099 How do you know. There is no evidence.
As long as we're ignoring the consensus of reputable historians, then sure, we don't really know if Jesus existed, lmao.
@@georg7120
That you don't know the evidence does not mean that there's no evidence.
@@schlauchmeister234sure! Those same historians who may agree Jesus existed as a person, but not as a god. That’s when their consensus goes out the window
The Bible is inerrant about the human condituon. We are a depraved and evil species who are in need of a savior
We call evil good and good evil. The Bible is accurate . we are a fallen race.
>>The Bible is inerrant about the human condituon. We are a depraved and evil species who are in need of a savior
We call evil good and good evil. The Bible is accurate . we are a fallen race.""
I would like to point it its theists who call evil good when they say evil happens for a greater good. That is basically saying evil acts = even more good acts. Remember my moral questions? You say god is good yet god lets the children drown, lets the raps happen and punishes the innocent for the crimes of others. Who is saying evil is good here?
So your complaining God doesn't stop evil?
Have you ever thought through a godless worldview? Evil would not exist . rape, murder , suffering is just part of the natural order. I cannot understand all the suffering the happens but it does serve a purpose. Your position cannot even define evil and it rationalizes it by delegating it to a natural tendencies
@@jeffphelps1355 >>So your complaining God doesn't stop evil?""
?????? I am saying what I said, its theists more specifically, muslims and christians who say evil is good. For example, camron when talking with alex about the problem of evil more specifically, racism. Carmon responds with racism is a good thing because without it we would not have people like martin luther king. Can you see how he just turned racism into a good thing? Or we need to have tyrants in the world so that is makes courageous people to stand up to them, do you see what I am getting at now?
Can you see how if you say evil happens for a greater good, you are saying evil IS good? I dont know how to be more clear about this, but if you still dont understand I will try again as I know you are not a bad person.
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