@@aokayJAYidk about staying with the creatures, that was another sinking ship with hordan’s constant fuckups and changing everything about what made the group in the first place
@@nanobotics LA is where channels go to die though. Admittedly they did have some great content in LA for awhile there but Aron/Joe left, then Anna, then James, and Trevor. I just feel they could have made that good of content in Colorado just the same. its like musicians who feel the need to move to Seattle because that is music city, like no. you can make it in music from anywhere in the world.
@@nanobotics speaking in pure hindsight cow chop was doomed to fail since its inception and Trevors twitlonger really illustrated that. The problems cowchop had from the get go was a contrast to what lead the creatures to capsize. corporatization killed the creatures & immaturity/unprofessionalism dug the grave for cow chop. It's a sad case of poetic irony that cant really be grasped thru the vids. so if anyone reading this still yearns for closure I highly suggest reading the aforementioned post from Trevor.
yeah looking back, its pretty fucked up to fire someone out of professionalism and then turn around and air the dirty laundry onto your podcast, EXTREMELY unprofessional
I feel like leaving some input here even though this is all trivial and in the past. I do think despite his handful of backhanded remarks about certain ppl and such, Brett seems to genuinely have cared for Cow Chop and its success. To me he shows and speaks clearly that he does care bout the crew but that only went so far, and overtime I think Brett focused more on keeping the boat floating (especially when more ppl left over time) instead of checkin with the crew and such. And it sounds like when he did check with crew (Asher), they had shortcomings that wasn’t helping the boat keep goin. This you’re kicked off, it’s tough but I do agree with what he said about having to dig deep. Now Asher mental health is no joke so I don’t blame brother what’s so ever, so I do hope he is doing extremely well now! Last thing, overall…. It was a good experience for everyone I think, not everything is peaches n cream with ya friends but there are also many many memories that hold strong.
I think once Brett got brought onto the channel is started becoming more of a business than the initial intention of the channel, pretty sure he was one of the reasons they were going to LA too, which was definitely the start of their downfall
I love how James shits on people still living at home with their parents as if it's their fault for the shitty economy and not making enough money to be able to rent houses back to back when they turn 18. This whole podcast is just a pat on each others back while shitting on the people who did backbone work. Truly this and other testimonies from cowchop workers honestly broke my heart and turned me off of James' content and now he doesn't even care about his past and will ban people from saying "cowchop" or "creatures". He genuinely doesn't care about his UA-cam audience and he said he doesn't. He only posts videos to UA-cam because he knows that's what built him but all he cares about is Twitch money and shits on his UA-cam audience while most of that audience is still keeping him funded on Twitch.
It sucks because I just rewatched the creatures road trips and movie reviews and switched to cowchop up until James accident. I mean I watched them when I was younger and it was coming out but honestly the nostalgia glasses are gone and I see how toxic it all was and can’t watch it with a clear head. Everyone hates koots and says he ruined the creatures but I think the form of content was dying. James, aleks, and Brett just tried to force a dying median further. They didn’t want to take accountability and blamed their shitty toxic workplace on being professional ironically
@@Man-Of_War Yea, without the nostalgia glasses everything falls apart. Roosterteeth, achievement hunter, cowchop, creatures, lots of youtubers really. SSOHPKC gets abused by his girlfriend, (She has a onlyfans and they're been in a relationship for well over a decade, idk, seems abusive) Dan is depressed, Kootras doing good for himself nowadays, so atleast he got a good ending. All James cares about now is his dog that he overfeeds and should've died a long time ago, but keeps alive because it gets him money on twitch cause cute doggo, and his GTARP friends who he'll ditch just like he ditched everyone else in his life. Him and Spoon only collab when James is low on subs also, which is really weird and scummy. And Aleks just does what he usually does, scams a bunch of people on his twitch every few months, then disappears. Unrelated but, I can watch funhaus guilt free tho for some reason, Idk I think Adam just caught a stray because of what Ryan did at AH.
@@billywayne1007 I wouldn't call that abuse yet, but it definitely seems like a shitty move by Seamus's ex, but I think she just needs to earn money - it's sad but it is what it is these days. I hope Seamus is doing well though, but probably not after a 10 year relationship ending. That would be devastating. I find it interesting how Kootra ended up helping Aron, Joe, and Trevor get jobs, and then Trevor mentioned how Kootra deserved none of the hate. It's like he was the true good friend all along, but he got absolutely crucified for a dumb mistake when he was young. I saw Dan posted a mini-creature reunion vid a while ago, but I noticed James and Aleks were not there, and thought it was kinda weird.
This was honestly a truly evil episode, even if meant for "transparency" an hour long podcast shitting on him. Them suddenly moving from colorado to like literally most expensive place to live in the US hit everyone really hard, I've heard that the move to LA made Asher insanely stressed and depressed as well. And as Trevor stated, working there was terrible, while often also not getting paid. Brett responding to complaints of employees not getting paid and not having enough money to live being "i was doing bad too, you can survive" speaks volumes of his management. Publicly making an hour long video on how much of a bad worker you are, how you're lazy and your work ethic sucks. All for future employers and well, anyone to see is just evil, I totally understand why this video was unlisted on the OG channel, should've been removed completely quite frankly. It was a totally unnecessary video to make.
Yeah its actually really sad. I feel so bad for Asher. Maybe he made mistakes but its impossible to pretend like he wasn't out of his comfort zone. They even acknowledge how he moved out from his parents to fucking LA. They know that has to be an insane change. We aren't to say how much they cut him slack, I mean missing a flight is a pretty big deal. I still can't help but feel for him especially when this is his send-off. I'd be pretty devastated, personally
This video was bad when it came out and even more fucked since James left. It's very clear that the warehouse era ruined the channel as Joe, Anna, Trevor, and Asher left presumably for similar reasons. Jakob quit being on camera (which they subtly mention a few times in a derogatory manner) and the quality of content, passion, and ideas dropped off hard around the same time. This video highlights the unseen issues they had as well as marking James as a huge hypocrite. Making the channel a business was the worst thing for cowchop, whether they want to admit it or not. It may have been more profitable and faster to pump out videos, but it killed the thing everyone once had an undying passion for. They had bills and people to pay, so content was made to make money, instead of what some would consider art. In the end they couldn't have fun anymore, and unfortunately they couldn't be friends anymore either.
There was no real reason for them to get this deep into the reasons why he was let go. They could have just said Asher wasn't doing the job well enough or wasnt pulling his weight. They treat this like the 3 of them are being the adults addressing the audience, meanwhile this is incredibly unprofessional to air out Asher's dirty laundry, especially considering he didn't say anything about it.
Man, one of aleks mods kept trying to get me to say shit last night to try and ban me after I asked if Asher was coming back out of pure innocence because he said they're all doing a reunion soon. Really don't see the issue if they aired him out like this, makes me want to honestly start trolling them.
@@user-fi9qo8lq3v Yeah, even if they had a business issue I don't see why it would prevent them from at least having a reunion.. He was still part of CowChop for most of its existence.. I also did not like Asher much, but that does not discredit his part in the company and the texture he brought in videos. But don't let streamers' mods hinder your view on the streamer itself, some mods are very weird at times
Repopped up in my feed an the few parts I've skimmed through, reiterates Trevors points strongly in that deleted tweet. No wonder none of them talk to each other anymore. The off camera actions seemed to cause to many problems between everyone. They jumped ship from Creatures understandably, but never had a proper leader. Still think its some of the best content on YT but it makes sense why the House Era was the best, they weren't fed up of each other yet and they could finally do stupid shit without someone keeping them in line.
The fact they were a successful group from Colorado was part of the cool factor for me. If anywhere other than Colorado they should have went to Austin. Bret should have moved with them to either and cow chop would still be a thing I believe
Patting themselves on the back while they shit on eachother and if it's too intense they shit on Asher and Trevor cuz they aren't there to defend themselves. Honestly sad what happened to James and Aleks these days. Banning anyone who even brings up the past that made them "famous" is honestly so distasteful
@@MadameButterflitrev wasn't happy with how he was treated, rightfully so. I'm way too high rn to say what he said but basically they used him and his anxiety alot for content and exploited it. Like the Trevor stripper vid
Yeah, it was pretty unprofessional of the whole group. This wasn’t something they needed to be “transparent” about, assuming Asher never publicly claimed that he was unjustly fired.
@@coleseg yeah. They could have just said “Asher was not working enough and was not respectful of our hours, so we had to make the decision to fire him.” and that would be transparent to the fans as well as respectful to Asher. Not Brett saying like “he needs his mommy” shit. Iirc Asher was also have a depressive episode back then as well. Doesn’t excuse his lack of work, but jeez have some empathy.
I've always thought Brett was a pos, at the time I remember him getting super defensive and nasty at anyone on the subreddit who criticised him in the slightest lmao
I used to watch cowchop and later noticed trevor had his own channel 'offcanny' but im so lost to what has all happend. Im not sure why cowchop even ended or why trevor dosnt make videos anymore on his channel, what alex is up to, none of it im in the dark and this shit is only making it more confusing
basically -they moved to LA after leaving the house and Colorado -aron stayed in Colorado because he didn't want to move -joe left back to Colorado after a couple months to finish college -anna left soon after him because her twin sister was having a kid and she wanted to be closer to her family -trevor left the following year because LA made him depressed and he didn't want to be a content creator or do cow chop forever -asher was fired for apparently being lazy -james had been grooming trevor to replace him since the start and wanted to leave a few times before but aleks convinced him to stay, but he got injured in a skateboard accident and broke his leg the next year and then used that as an excuse to finally leave -because of ad-pocalypse on youtube and a lot of the former crew leaving, aleks and brett decided to end cow chop at the end of 2019 instead of keeping it going like the creatures post-cow chop -aron works at the game studio kootra does -joe got married and had a kid -no clue about anna or asher -trevor has done a bunch of stuff like work on offcanny but not sure what he's doing currently -james still streams daily -aleks moved back to Colorado and doesn't stream as much
@@svaucyi one edit, James hasn't streamed in like 4 months, and is basically non-present on twitch, youtube, twitter, etc. He's going through some stuff with Ein, but other than that he's basically on an extended break currently.
offcanny is Jakobs channel with Trevor being a non-official co-host. To keep it short and respectful to the ppl associated, Jakob had to tend to his mental health cus as u could imagine, running high a production channel like that wasn't helping. Any time Trevor was on it was only meant to be temporary and in recent time he's admitted to not liking being infront of the camera throughout the years
they probably got drunk as fuck fired him like a holes outta no where on a drunk bit and this was just to cover there asses if asher wanted to lawer up
Such a cringe CCTV and crazy unprofessional, asher was a dink but the guys made themselves look as unprofessional as him. Looking back now, you could tell cow chop wasn't long for this world (even though they make fun of people saying the channel is dying when they fired asher, because it was actually dying).
Tbh you can tell there was tension between Aleks and Asher when they were on videos together, so something tells me that there was also a personal element to this rather than it being from a professional standpoint. I also agree within a year of moving to LA Cow Chop was starting to reduce in views but I wouldn’t say Asher being fired had any significant impact, he was pretty mid anyways people could take him or leave him. The overall energy of the warehouse died out when Trevor left
LA was the worst decision they made
Staying with the Creatures would have been better than moving to LA. LA killed Cow Chop
@@aokayJAYidk about staying with the creatures, that was another sinking ship with hordan’s constant fuckups and changing everything about what made the group in the first place
Idk why people say this, without moving they would not have gone as far as they did
@@nanobotics LA is where channels go to die though. Admittedly they did have some great content in LA for awhile there but Aron/Joe left, then Anna, then James, and Trevor. I just feel they could have made that good of content in Colorado just the same. its like musicians who feel the need to move to Seattle because that is music city, like no. you can make it in music from anywhere in the world.
@@nanobotics speaking in pure hindsight cow chop was doomed to fail since its inception and Trevors twitlonger really illustrated that. The problems cowchop had from the get go was a contrast to what lead the creatures to capsize. corporatization killed the creatures & immaturity/unprofessionalism dug the grave for cow chop. It's a sad case of poetic irony that cant really be grasped thru the vids. so if anyone reading this still yearns for closure I highly suggest reading the aforementioned post from Trevor.
yeah looking back, its pretty fucked up to fire someone out of professionalism and then turn around and air the dirty laundry onto your podcast, EXTREMELY unprofessional
This video aged like milk
Thank you for the upload
I feel like leaving some input here even though this is all trivial and in the past. I do think despite his handful of backhanded remarks about certain ppl and such, Brett seems to genuinely have cared for Cow Chop and its success. To me he shows and speaks clearly that he does care bout the crew but that only went so far, and overtime I think Brett focused more on keeping the boat floating (especially when more ppl left over time) instead of checkin with the crew and such. And it sounds like when he did check with crew (Asher), they had shortcomings that wasn’t helping the boat keep goin. This you’re kicked off, it’s tough but I do agree with what he said about having to dig deep. Now Asher mental health is no joke so I don’t blame brother what’s so ever, so I do hope he is doing extremely well now! Last thing, overall…. It was a good experience for everyone I think, not everything is peaches n cream with ya friends but there are also many many memories that hold strong.
I think once Brett got brought onto the channel is started becoming more of a business than the initial intention of the channel, pretty sure he was one of the reasons they were going to LA too, which was definitely the start of their downfall
I love how James shits on people still living at home with their parents as if it's their fault for the shitty economy and not making enough money to be able to rent houses back to back when they turn 18. This whole podcast is just a pat on each others back while shitting on the people who did backbone work. Truly this and other testimonies from cowchop workers honestly broke my heart and turned me off of James' content and now he doesn't even care about his past and will ban people from saying "cowchop" or "creatures".
He genuinely doesn't care about his UA-cam audience and he said he doesn't. He only posts videos to UA-cam because he knows that's what built him but all he cares about is Twitch money and shits on his UA-cam audience while most of that audience is still keeping him funded on Twitch.
It sucks because I just rewatched the creatures road trips and movie reviews and switched to cowchop up until James accident. I mean I watched them when I was younger and it was coming out but honestly the nostalgia glasses are gone and I see how toxic it all was and can’t watch it with a clear head. Everyone hates koots and says he ruined the creatures but I think the form of content was dying. James, aleks, and Brett just tried to force a dying median further. They didn’t want to take accountability and blamed their shitty toxic workplace on being professional ironically
@@Man-Of_Warholy shit you nailed it lol
@@Man-Of_War Yea, without the nostalgia glasses everything falls apart. Roosterteeth, achievement hunter, cowchop, creatures, lots of youtubers really. SSOHPKC gets abused by his girlfriend, (She has a onlyfans and they're been in a relationship for well over a decade, idk, seems abusive) Dan is depressed, Kootras doing good for himself nowadays, so atleast he got a good ending.
All James cares about now is his dog that he overfeeds and should've died a long time ago, but keeps alive because it gets him money on twitch cause cute doggo, and his GTARP friends who he'll ditch just like he ditched everyone else in his life. Him and Spoon only collab when James is low on subs also, which is really weird and scummy.
And Aleks just does what he usually does, scams a bunch of people on his twitch every few months, then disappears.
Unrelated but, I can watch funhaus guilt free tho for some reason, Idk I think Adam just caught a stray because of what Ryan did at AH.
@@billywayne1007 I wouldn't call that abuse yet, but it definitely seems like a shitty move by Seamus's ex, but I think she just needs to earn money - it's sad but it is what it is these days. I hope Seamus is doing well though, but probably not after a 10 year relationship ending. That would be devastating.
I find it interesting how Kootra ended up helping Aron, Joe, and Trevor get jobs, and then Trevor mentioned how Kootra deserved none of the hate. It's like he was the true good friend all along, but he got absolutely crucified for a dumb mistake when he was young.
I saw Dan posted a mini-creature reunion vid a while ago, but I noticed James and Aleks were not there, and thought it was kinda weird.
This was honestly a truly evil episode, even if meant for "transparency" an hour long podcast shitting on him. Them suddenly moving from colorado to like literally most expensive place to live in the US hit everyone really hard, I've heard that the move to LA made Asher insanely stressed and depressed as well. And as Trevor stated, working there was terrible, while often also not getting paid. Brett responding to complaints of employees not getting paid and not having enough money to live being "i was doing bad too, you can survive" speaks volumes of his management.
Publicly making an hour long video on how much of a bad worker you are, how you're lazy and your work ethic sucks. All for future employers and well, anyone to see is just evil, I totally understand why this video was unlisted on the OG channel, should've been removed completely quite frankly. It was a totally unnecessary video to make.
Yeah its actually really sad. I feel so bad for Asher. Maybe he made mistakes but its impossible to pretend like he wasn't out of his comfort zone. They even acknowledge how he moved out from his parents to fucking LA. They know that has to be an insane change. We aren't to say how much they cut him slack, I mean missing a flight is a pretty big deal. I still can't help but feel for him especially when this is his send-off. I'd be pretty devastated, personally
This video was bad when it came out and even more fucked since James left. It's very clear that the warehouse era ruined the channel as Joe, Anna, Trevor, and Asher left presumably for similar reasons. Jakob quit being on camera (which they subtly mention a few times in a derogatory manner) and the quality of content, passion, and ideas dropped off hard around the same time. This video highlights the unseen issues they had as well as marking James as a huge hypocrite. Making the channel a business was the worst thing for cowchop, whether they want to admit it or not. It may have been more profitable and faster to pump out videos, but it killed the thing everyone once had an undying passion for. They had bills and people to pay, so content was made to make money, instead of what some would consider art. In the end they couldn't have fun anymore, and unfortunately they couldn't be friends anymore either.
There was no real reason for them to get this deep into the reasons why he was let go. They could have just said Asher wasn't doing the job well enough or wasnt pulling his weight. They treat this like the 3 of them are being the adults addressing the audience, meanwhile this is incredibly unprofessional to air out Asher's dirty laundry, especially considering he didn't say anything about it.
Still deserved it
Man, one of aleks mods kept trying to get me to say shit last night to try and ban me after I asked if Asher was coming back out of pure innocence because he said they're all doing a reunion soon. Really don't see the issue if they aired him out like this, makes me want to honestly start trolling them.
Yeah not gonna be able to really watch his streams the same after watching this
Twitch mods are literally insane @@user-fi9qo8lq3v
@@user-fi9qo8lq3v Yeah, even if they had a business issue I don't see why it would prevent them from at least having a reunion.. He was still part of CowChop for most of its existence.. I also did not like Asher much, but that does not discredit his part in the company and the texture he brought in videos. But don't let streamers' mods hinder your view on the streamer itself, some mods are very weird at times
Repopped up in my feed an the few parts I've skimmed through, reiterates Trevors points strongly in that deleted tweet. No wonder none of them talk to each other anymore. The off camera actions seemed to cause to many problems between everyone. They jumped ship from Creatures understandably, but never had a proper leader. Still think its some of the best content on YT but it makes sense why the House Era was the best, they weren't fed up of each other yet and they could finally do stupid shit without someone keeping them in line.
did james say 'infilstructure'?
but yeah i never actually knew that was why asher left; honestly a bummer of a realization, even now.
The fact they were a successful group from Colorado was part of the cool factor for me. If anywhere other than Colorado they should have went to Austin. Bret should have moved with them to either and cow chop would still be a thing I believe
They really spent half an hour speaking word salad huh
It was long winded but Brett reeled it in every so often to give a straight answer lol
16:00 Aleks did not appreciate that comment
oof was cringe to watch
The entire CCTV series is just awkward moments and little jabs between aleks and James
Patting themselves on the back while they shit on eachother and if it's too intense they shit on Asher and Trevor cuz they aren't there to defend themselves. Honestly sad what happened to James and Aleks these days. Banning anyone who even brings up the past that made them "famous" is honestly so distasteful
This hits different after Trevor talked about Cowchop’s work environment…
Are you surprised it was hell? They bullied Trevor nonstop on camera
Where can I find him talking about that?
@@beertlont776reddit
Is there a clip??
@@jordanscriven6670 I think its a trust me bro situation. Or we are being trolled. I couldn't find anything.
Always heard this episode was kinda mean. They straight up dunked on Asher wth
THIS SEEMS MEANER NOW
After Trevor's post about the Cow Chop workplace this is the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen
Only good thing that came from Colorado was Brett was around more and we got Jakob, Alec and Garrett
In The End CowChop was that just another intern job
This vid is deleted from their channel but its still up on Spotify, was it taken down after what trev said?
What did he say?
@@MadameButterfli"ur gay"
@@MadameButterflitrev wasn't happy with how he was treated, rightfully so. I'm way too high rn to say what he said but basically they used him and his anxiety alot for content and exploited it. Like the Trevor stripper vid
@@PotatoMaGobinus ooof yikes
@@PotatoMaGobinusI felt like that was all pretty obvious. They fucked him him and filmed it and we all laughed. It
Gosh i wonder why cow chop fell apart
Is that sarcasm i sense? ☺️
@@leonardosantuario3346 it's the best type of asm
It’s ironic that they had these types of conversations and then James hit a breaking point and was the reason it fell apart
@@leonardosantuario3346 just a little
@@okd00d yeah this is just so incredibly unprofessional
brett was super fucking mean, ngl
Yeah, it was pretty unprofessional of the whole group. This wasn’t something they needed to be “transparent” about, assuming Asher never publicly claimed that he was unjustly fired.
@@coleseg yeah. They could have just said “Asher was not working enough and was not respectful of our hours, so we had to make the decision to fire him.” and that would be transparent to the fans as well as respectful to Asher. Not Brett saying like “he needs his mommy” shit. Iirc Asher was also have a depressive episode back then as well. Doesn’t excuse his lack of work, but jeez have some empathy.
brett always came across dickish in every cc video
I've always thought Brett was a pos, at the time I remember him getting super defensive and nasty at anyone on the subreddit who criticised him in the slightest lmao
Soft 😊
I used to watch cowchop and later noticed trevor had his own channel 'offcanny' but im so lost to what has all happend. Im not sure why cowchop even ended or why trevor dosnt make videos anymore on his channel, what alex is up to, none of it im in the dark and this shit is only making it more confusing
basically
-they moved to LA after leaving the house and Colorado
-aron stayed in Colorado because he didn't want to move
-joe left back to Colorado after a couple months to finish college
-anna left soon after him because her twin sister was having a kid and she wanted to be closer to her family
-trevor left the following year because LA made him depressed and he didn't want to be a content creator or do cow chop forever
-asher was fired for apparently being lazy
-james had been grooming trevor to replace him since the start and wanted to leave a few times before but aleks convinced him to stay, but he got injured in a skateboard accident and broke his leg the next year and then used that as an excuse to finally leave
-because of ad-pocalypse on youtube and a lot of the former crew leaving, aleks and brett decided to end cow chop at the end of 2019 instead of keeping it going like the creatures
post-cow chop
-aron works at the game studio kootra does
-joe got married and had a kid
-no clue about anna or asher
-trevor has done a bunch of stuff like work on offcanny but not sure what he's doing currently
-james still streams daily
-aleks moved back to Colorado and doesn't stream as much
@@InvaderTrond never felt so appreciative to a youtube reply in my life
@@svaucyi one edit, James hasn't streamed in like 4 months, and is basically non-present on twitch, youtube, twitter, etc. He's going through some stuff with Ein, but other than that he's basically on an extended break currently.
offcanny is Jakobs channel with Trevor being a non-official co-host. To keep it short and respectful to the ppl associated, Jakob had to tend to his mental health cus as u could imagine, running high a production channel like that wasn't helping. Any time Trevor was on it was only meant to be temporary and in recent time he's admitted to not liking being infront of the camera throughout the years
Just remember this is all the communities fault
they probably got drunk as fuck fired him like a holes outta no where on a drunk bit and this was just to cover there asses if asher wanted to lawer up
Such a cringe CCTV and crazy unprofessional, asher was a dink but the guys made themselves look as unprofessional as him. Looking back now, you could tell cow chop wasn't long for this world (even though they make fun of people saying the channel is dying when they fired asher, because it was actually dying).
Tbh you can tell there was tension between Aleks and Asher when they were on videos together, so something tells me that there was also a personal element to this rather than it being from a professional standpoint. I also agree within a year of moving to LA Cow Chop was starting to reduce in views but I wouldn’t say Asher being fired had any significant impact, he was pretty mid anyways people could take him or leave him. The overall energy of the warehouse died out when Trevor left
The dude was more than a dink, he was a lazy, incompetent, inconsiderate racist.
@@josephstalin2606losing Trevor was such a huge blow to the channel, and it sucks even more knowing now how miserable he was almost the entire time.