NEW Colnago V4RS: All The Details Revealed!

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • With multiple race wins including the Tour de France, it's safe to say that the Colnago V3RS was a very successful bike, so making the next generation was no mean feat! So how have Colnago made the new V4RS better, and what does Tadej Pogačar think of it? Manon and Ollie have been given an exclusive first ride of Colnago's all-out racing bike, and tell you everything you need to know about it.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 295

  • @galenkehler
    @galenkehler Рік тому +70

    I'm glad they included a critique from Tadej for an unbiased perspective! 👍

    • @Jakiou
      @Jakiou Рік тому +2

      What was hes critique based on im looking on a v4rs at the moment But not if i only pay for the brand👀

  • @swazi5
    @swazi5 Рік тому +90

    Gotta say, the rainbow grips and fork are pretty sick

  • @markusseppala6547
    @markusseppala6547 Рік тому +32

    Would love to see a blindfolded test for feeling bike stiffness. Sure a bike feels stiffer when you're told it is but can you actually tell if you don't know.

    • @AR-lz2br
      @AR-lz2br Рік тому +10

      If we take into account that every brand company say their new bikes are lighter, stiffer, more compliant, etc, etc...and they will continue saying it endlessly, the answer is one word...MARKETING, which, means... "we want your money as soon as possible"

    • @briansteele2723
      @briansteele2723 Рік тому +2

      My friend and I tested the Willier zero Slr and the V3rs.amd kept swapping bikes, the Willier was far more lively but somehow more stable in gusty winds. ( Same wheels). Hopefully the v4 is more reactive for riders of all levels, but please try the Willier!

    • @neelsahay5227
      @neelsahay5227 Рік тому +1

      Blindfolded, one could totally feel the diff between the extremes of a carbon race bike and vintage skinny tubed commuter. I love both, but sure as hell can.
      Hard to say if it would be as easily perceptible comparing two high end machines tho.

    • @jeskli11
      @jeskli11 Рік тому +1

      I can deffinetly feel the difference in stiffness between my old Planet X Pro Carbon road bike and my currenct Cube Cross Race C:62 cyclocross bike (which I'm now using also as my primary road bike). The difference between top end road bikes just a generation apart would be far less significant as the previous models are some of the stiffest bikes already, but I guess either heavier riders or pros, who spend 1000 hours a year in the saddle, can feel it (or rather "spot some difference"). But I doubt this stiffness increase can have any effect on a 'normal' 70 kg rider with FTP of around 300 W and max sprints shy of 1300 W.

    • @markusseppala6547
      @markusseppala6547 Рік тому +2

      @@jeskli11 I just upgraded to a 10 years newer frame (Scott CR1 2006 to Canyon endurace 2017). I'm sure I will notice the stiffness and comfort difference when I build the bike. I'm not sure I would notice it upgrading from 2017 to 2022 bike, but I could be wrong too. It feels at this point bike industry is designing the tests to give them certain numbers they can advertise.

  • @doctorno1516
    @doctorno1516 Рік тому +4

    I actually got a real-life glimpse of the Pogačar prototype before TdF, when I rode some 15km with him at an event in May. It was all blacked out and he told us he was testing the new model.

  • @AR-lz2br
    @AR-lz2br Рік тому +10

    I'll buy the new V4RS once I see it for sale on Aliexpress🤪

    • @anderssaxkristoffersen1091
      @anderssaxkristoffersen1091 Рік тому

      You V3RS… the 98% same bike design, but with different laying of carbon sheets, and a few less sheets 😂

  • @bubbastard
    @bubbastard Рік тому +40

    That looks about as aerodynamic as a brick.

    • @tedzhang5887
      @tedzhang5887 Рік тому +1

      and weight as a brick

    • @klopcodez
      @klopcodez Рік тому

      😂it’s a scam not worth the money..it looks below average even in performance

  • @cervelo9465
    @cervelo9465 Рік тому +7

    I was surprised to read that the Tours were raced and won on V3RS and not as I thought C68.
    Anyway, a sad and bad day for Campagnolo.
    Colnago and Campagnolo go together like peaches and cream, bacon and eggs, beans and toast, cheese and pickle.
    40 years ago the ultimate bike was Colnago with Campagnolo .... and it still is.

  • @paulwebster4499
    @paulwebster4499 Рік тому +15

    Cant believe that im watching this video taking about 15k push bikes when we are all sat without the heating on in the middle of a recession

  • @AndyLoRusso
    @AndyLoRusso Місяць тому

    Love this bike very practical for us street riders Grazie

  • @hongboli4030
    @hongboli4030 Рік тому +4

    Am I the only one thinking it looks identical to the V3Rs?

  • @peterthomas8053
    @peterthomas8053 Рік тому +6

    Just a nice from me. Both bikes valves not aligned, cranks not level, not in biggie/smalls and bottles in cages.😜 But, they were using shadow stands.😉

  • @johnerdam961
    @johnerdam961 Рік тому +5

    As far too often GCN is behaving too uncritical towards the manufacturers. This is really disturbing and disappointing. I have learned a lot more about this bike watching the actual hambini video.

  • @saulsibayan
    @saulsibayan Рік тому +2

    I attended the product launch in Abu Dhabi. They tested it in 50 kph wind speed, not speed of the bike is traveling. Meaning, wind speed of 15 kph plus the bike traveling at 35 kph, equals a total of 50 kph.

  • @andrewhayes1339
    @andrewhayes1339 Рік тому +3

    Love both & wouldn’t care if it was bright pink, I’d still ride it. But sadly something that beautiful will only ever be a dream for me 😢

  • @sadlfjasdfacv
    @sadlfjasdfacv Рік тому +5

    Cool infomercial.

  • @FREIXENEMET
    @FREIXENEMET Рік тому +11

    7,74kg on a 53 size? The bottle was full of water?

    • @contactkrit
      @contactkrit Рік тому

      54

    • @FREIXENEMET
      @FREIXENEMET Рік тому +1

      @@contactkrit There is no 54 in the New v4rs. Take a look at their website.

  • @Eramsay121
    @Eramsay121 Рік тому +16

    I've always wanted to pay $15k for a Giant TCR

    • @chicagoan
      @chicagoan Рік тому

      I'd pay anything to not have their terrible Giant logo on it.😆

  • @stevensantana8049
    @stevensantana8049 Рік тому +6

    Wondering if Colnago is doing Rim brake as well too

  • @bronson911s2
    @bronson911s2 Рік тому +1

    Beautiful cybicycles! Love Colnago's approach.

  • @danc1829
    @danc1829 Рік тому +20

    Be the C68 for me over this and in rim brake obviously 😉

  • @rudyelizondo1935
    @rudyelizondo1935 Рік тому +2

    Thank God I was able to buy my Cervelo R3 in 2014. I put Roval carbon wheels on it and size 28c specialized Roubaix tires. My bike is the smoothest and fastest riding bike ever. It’s also a rim brake and is super light at 16 lbs. I bought it for $3k and now days this bike with all the wifi spifi is about $30k. Wow, let the pros enjoy their new bikes, mine is perfect for me anyways. Very nice video guys, I appreciate them and enjoy seeing you all have fun riding these new beautiful bikes. As always, keep up the great work. Blessings and Merry Christmas!!! Peace on Earth and better prices on new bikes 😊

  • @michaelgriffiths305
    @michaelgriffiths305 Рік тому +2

    Wowser what a good looking bike! I'm over 40 so if money 💰 were no object then C68 probably...
    This Colnago V4RS, with secret wheels and intellectual property rights regarding how they measure frame stiffness... all sounds slightly mysterious and typically adds to the allure of the Colnago brand. Bravo on the marketing Colnago!
    Appreciate GCN tech get to actually breakdown and help showcase such a beautiful bike. Great video Ollie & Manon! Personally, I don't think you need to be saying if it's quicker than an SL7 or the new Propel etc... genuinely who would it make a difference to? The pros don't get to pick anyway!
    However, a great follow up would be Ollie joining Pogacar for a day of his pre tour training camp. Manon can motivate like the 4 v1 video! I'm sure it'd be simple to set it up...😩 you could start by reminding UAE that Ollies never been a pro but took down "G" in his dad's garage 😉... therefore, it'll be good company/ test for Tadej during a four hour ride with efforts!!! UAE would have you back on the V4RS in no time. That'll be the proper test of rider and bike! Also, be good to see Ollies nervous face again e.g. pre 50 minute TT attempt or hour effort...

  • @stfu6397
    @stfu6397 Рік тому +3

    As un aerodynamic as a bus

  • @oceanzmat
    @oceanzmat Рік тому +1

    Mad Photek feels with that sustained synth note at the end. Props to the GCN sound engineers.

  • @mvmadore
    @mvmadore Рік тому

    Love the Colnago. I have one from the mid '80's which I totaled in a race crash but it still hangs proudly in my shop. I'd love to ride the new V4RS...

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому

      Colnago make some very nice bikes 🙌

  • @lorenzodestefano4043
    @lorenzodestefano4043 Рік тому +17

    7.75 kg for a top end 15.000 euro bike is way too much... just a kg above the weight limit... rim brake for the win.

    • @banjo7127
      @banjo7127 Рік тому

      Penalty of switching to Shimano.

    • @lorenzodestefano4043
      @lorenzodestefano4043 Рік тому

      @@banjo7127 ua-cam.com/video/XVdmuegmRzk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Bicisport nothing beat this one

    • @hongboli4030
      @hongboli4030 Рік тому +3

      @@banjo7127 For reference, my rim brake V3Rs weights 6.5kg. I mixed sram red electronic parts with Shimano DA 9100.

  • @cyclonutterd7075
    @cyclonutterd7075 Рік тому +2

    C68, it just looks so much better and more like a Colnago

  • @justaletdown
    @justaletdown Рік тому +3

    fully intergrated cables + disc brakes. This bike just seems like a headache. Look at the difference of that sexy V3RS with rimbrakes compared to this heavy weight gravelbike.

    • @fernandodisola6675
      @fernandodisola6675 Рік тому +1

      Well said, these heavy bikes are getting stupidly expensive.

  • @theh2ohammer372
    @theh2ohammer372 Рік тому +1

    the arms race is now starting to find these mystery wheels.

  • @saltycycling
    @saltycycling Рік тому +3

    This is a cycling equivalent of Apple changing from a pointy edges iPhone to a rounded edges iPhone and telling you they've innovated. It's the same bike as before but you can get it in different colours. Simple.

  • @mikesmith2864
    @mikesmith2864 Рік тому +1

    Lovely to see the colorful handlebar tape. I spent 28 years selling bikes and trying to convince the riders to wrap their bars in anything but black, which just makes the bike look dirty and heavy.

  • @mmmbetter55
    @mmmbetter55 Рік тому +21

    At this point in my life, I would definitely go for the C68
    That said, I am still just not very interested in carbon bikes. I"d love a Battaglin or a Spoon or Sturdy, or even a CAAD13

  • @whizler
    @whizler Рік тому +12

    Almost as much a work of art as a bike, to be sure. But at over €15,000, it's a bike that...what, maybe 0.001% of cyclists would ever ride or purchase?

    • @LednacekZ
      @LednacekZ Рік тому +2

      more like a technological experiment and advertisement. they might only sell about 1000 of them world wide but it will pay for the research.

    • @mikehoffman3690
      @mikehoffman3690 Рік тому

      But it would be a great ride. 🤟😎

    • @robbchastain3036
      @robbchastain3036 Рік тому +1

      I just think cycling has evidently attracted a lot of skiers and they're used to paying a lot. 😀

    • @fernandodisola6675
      @fernandodisola6675 Рік тому

      @@robbchastain3036 it's attracted fat barristers and dentists 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @bzillmer1
    @bzillmer1 Рік тому +1

    Just an amazing machine

  • @TheCountrySteve
    @TheCountrySteve Рік тому +2

    That bottle needs to come off for it to be bike vault-worthy

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому +2

      Hahaha Ollie not sticking to his own rules 😂

  • @klx-y
    @klx-y Рік тому +2

    woohoo, that's the battle of the titans. Colnago switched to Shimano and jumbo Visma to SRAM

  • @kentan8536
    @kentan8536 Рік тому +2

    Is this a reveal, or an ad. I really cant make any sense out of it, I mean the whole video is about sugar coating the bike. Seriously no faults, drawback etc?

  • @chrispig7748
    @chrispig7748 Рік тому +5

    Have a V3rs and it’s brilliant. Would love to have one of these

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому

      Fancy an upgrade 👀

  • @tobycolin6271
    @tobycolin6271 Рік тому +1

    There’s still some V3 r/s about unsold same bike for a whole lot less money.

  • @JonathanHair
    @JonathanHair Рік тому +5

    No rim brake? :(

  • @stevenschiff808
    @stevenschiff808 Рік тому +1

    Super clean looking. I would ride one.

  • @simonalexandercritchley439
    @simonalexandercritchley439 Рік тому +1

    Manon's V4RS is the better colour choice imho. Was Colnago the first Italian bike maker to use Dura Ace back in the day? Ollie's New Zealand accent sounds like an Aussie trying a kiwi accent. If I was rich a C68 would be a nice companion for my C40.

  • @brentgordon8769
    @brentgordon8769 Рік тому

    Hay Colnago number ONE !!!!!!!👿🚴🚴‍♂🚴‍♀Great You tubes keep them up!!!Brent Gordon of Canada

  • @adamlucarelli7933
    @adamlucarelli7933 Рік тому

    Beautiful bikes on a chilly day

  • @robertharrington4405
    @robertharrington4405 Рік тому +1

    Please export your videos at 4k, the bitrate for 1080p on UA-cam is so terrible. 😭

  • @TheLanorth
    @TheLanorth Рік тому

    So pretty! And the bikes to!!!

  • @captainamerica1797
    @captainamerica1797 6 днів тому

    The c sixty is really classy .

  • @ezeekwheel
    @ezeekwheel Рік тому +3

    5.2w @50kph so about 2w and most normal speed

  • @banjo7127
    @banjo7127 Рік тому +4

    7.75kgs in a top spec top money build 😂. Big weight penalty specifying Shimano.

  • @TTWalt
    @TTWalt Рік тому

    I would go with THAT V4RS with the rainbow fork and bar tape! Real men get any color they want!

  • @robbchastain3036
    @robbchastain3036 Рік тому +1

    Tadej and each pro on the circuit deserves the latest and greatest cycling tech for their competitions enjoyed by a worldwide audience. And because they are riding big miles throughout the year with lots of gauges to measure their performance, surely there are some who can detect even the slightest improvement here or there, as Tadej indicates in this video. But is every pro like that, are they some who can't really tell one way or the other, they just get on the bike and give it their best?

    • @ThomasHubik
      @ThomasHubik Рік тому +1

      Well they paid to say something good, probably scripted by marketers. Best if they say something ismt measurable, so u think u get more as well as in numbers.

    • @robbchastain3036
      @robbchastain3036 Рік тому

      @@ThomasHubik For sure a rider needs to say something good about his or her bike/sponsors, totally support that, I'm just wondering if there are pros who are simply hard on their bikes and can't tell one way or the other, no blame, just their style. And speaking of riders representing bike brands, VeloNews is reporting that Specialized is ending its ambassador program where influencers get paid to ride their bikes in exchange for social media content and adventures. Hate to see that happen, especially if there is no severance to soften the kick out the door.

  • @davidcarrier8584
    @davidcarrier8584 Рік тому +3

    That bike is not aero, more bike marketing bull I’m afraid.

  • @lukeallport9033
    @lukeallport9033 Рік тому

    That bar tape is sick!

  • @LOOK860
    @LOOK860 Рік тому +1

    Squares are aero 🤯since when ?

  • @bewster7
    @bewster7 Рік тому +2

    Who is this Colin Nago that Manon keeps mentioning?

  • @gerard45gh
    @gerard45gh Рік тому +4

    That aren't no Aero bike it's about Aero as a brick..🤣🤣

  • @Penri1215
    @Penri1215 Рік тому +3

    You know exactly what wheels they are. They are CAMPAG. Don't upset your sponsors GCN by saying the C word in a positive light

  • @AndrewFredericia
    @AndrewFredericia Рік тому +2

    Not a fan of the common trend of Burqa bikes (matte black bikes) and all black cycling clothes. I understand that people want to match all their carbon parts, but it seems a little conformist and dull. BTW I own a Colnago myself, but its a Master X-Light steel frame. Love the Italian flavor.

  • @fernandodisola6675
    @fernandodisola6675 Рік тому +13

    Too heavy, my colnago V3rs RIM Brakes with ultegra di2 12 speed weighs 6.7kg, its fast, agile, super responsive I don't think the claimed 5% stiffer shouldn't make that much difference, if you asked tadeg in what bike he'd preferred in private, I wonder what the answer would be 🤔

    • @banjo7127
      @banjo7127 Рік тому +3

      2021 Bernal at the Giro and Pogacar at the Tour using Rim in the mountains…..says it all. That was probably the last year they were allowed the choice before the suits forced disc everywhere.

    • @alexmichl3137
      @alexmichl3137 Рік тому +2

      Plus all these "tests" were unspecified "secret" tests done by colnago, with secret wheels. So the bike had probably the same if not worse results than the old one. But you have to justify the ridicolous price tag i guess.

  • @larrygrossman8021
    @larrygrossman8021 Рік тому +3

    Wait, we’re still talking about “aero?” Thot we were only allowed to discuss “gravel”

  • @WattsOnTheUp
    @WattsOnTheUp Рік тому +1

    Strange, this ad managed to sneak past my Adblock...

  • @mikegreaves7739
    @mikegreaves7739 Рік тому +1

    Something is surely amiss on the bike weight, almost a kilo difference between the two sizes of bike with same groupset and wheels. Was the bottle full on one bike?

  • @roilev
    @roilev Рік тому

    GCN, what's the all-black look? Esp. in the winter, when being seen is paramount!

  • @nikolausschallhart8654
    @nikolausschallhart8654 Рік тому +3

    Very nice bike and I'm sure it's riding great (also like the "rainbow version" more). But the pr bulls.... on aerodynamics is just getting more and more ridiculous (just imho of course)

  • @user-fk8rb8ue5h
    @user-fk8rb8ue5h Рік тому +5

    All this hype. So what they are saying is everything is so much better apart from one thing, the bloody price. Baloney

    • @alexmichl3137
      @alexmichl3137 Рік тому +1

      Everything is probably worse as they needed to invent new testing methods with unspecified wheels to even make a difference.

  • @crypto_que
    @crypto_que Рік тому +1

    Integrated Multi-Tool 🤯

  • @mikecarter8832
    @mikecarter8832 Рік тому

    The fact that UAE have switched to Enve wheels I think gives the answer to the question

    • @johnwolff1043
      @johnwolff1043 Рік тому

      If it was Enve I would have thought they would have said so. Only keeping the secret cuz it wasn't their sponsors wheels. I have been seeing videos where wheel companies like Hed and Zipp admitting Rovals were fastest in the wind tunnel but the Hed and Zipps were still better for some reason that they made up to save face.

  • @cervelo9465
    @cervelo9465 Рік тому +4

    I couldn't be bothered to watch the whole video, just a very very very long advertisement.
    Was the bike named by Skoda or Audi or both.
    Just another bike that I won't be buying.
    £10,000 to £15,000 or so.
    I think you can do very well on a bike for £1,000.
    Mr Old and Mr Grumpy

  • @whatwelearned
    @whatwelearned Рік тому +2

    As always with Colnago, if that thing said 'Felt' on the downtube they'd sell 74.

  • @Ianwpenny
    @Ianwpenny Рік тому

    I hope colnago do a Tour de France v4rs bike

  • @rachelharvey71
    @rachelharvey71 Рік тому

    Rainbow wins it for me it looks awesome 👏

  • @Roberthpike
    @Roberthpike Рік тому +3

    Are the high end bikes still made in Italy or have they all been outsourced to Taiwan?

  • @universe-juice
    @universe-juice Рік тому

    Very beautiful bikes! Attention to detail as you would expect from colnago. I'm smitten!

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому

      Even better in person 🤤

  • @bilwit
    @bilwit Рік тому +2

    where are the rim brakes

  • @ethangodridge6833
    @ethangodridge6833 Рік тому

    I'm a Pinarello man, but that bike is a beauty.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому +2

      Both beautiful Italian bikes 🙌

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned Рік тому

      So you're a weekend warrior dentist?

    • @ethangodridge6833
      @ethangodridge6833 Рік тому

      @@whatwelearned I wish I had that salary. I make time for my training all week round as it's important to me. For the bike I saved for years.

  • @reinholdachleitner2069
    @reinholdachleitner2069 Рік тому +2

    Awesome looking and riding machines,nice to see they use the more affordable Shimano.Ollie-New Zealand.😄

    • @banjo7127
      @banjo7127 Рік тому +1

      But unfortunately also why it weighs 7.7kg in super bike guise 🤣

  • @andeez4663
    @andeez4663 Рік тому +1

    Love ollie's vids. Best presenter!

  • @alexanderg2313
    @alexanderg2313 Рік тому +4

    I actually think this is a better new bike release of the entire year, better than Madone, Bianchi Oltre, scott Foil, Canyon or Giant Propel or even c68...

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому +1

      It's a great bike 🙌

  • @cb6866
    @cb6866 Рік тому

    Thanks Manon and Ollie.....how does it feel , to you ? Why the drive train change?

  • @chrisridesbicycles
    @chrisridesbicycles Рік тому +2

    Interestingly they have not made use of the more relaxed UCI rules. For me it‘s the C68 (or more realistically staying with my Cannondale). More relaxed geometry for mere mortals over 40 but still top notch an bling paintjob if you want. Watch and learn other brands.

  • @ViveSemelBeneVivere
    @ViveSemelBeneVivere Рік тому +4

    V4RS = 4 cylinders in V configuration Rallye Sport? 🤔😁 Very nice bike! 😃👍

  • @The_Cotswold_Cyclist
    @The_Cotswold_Cyclist Рік тому

    Beautiful bike...... excellent look over them too and love Ollie nerding out and 'annoying' Manon!

  • @aleq
    @aleq Рік тому

    Those uncut forks are hurting my eyes! #SlamThatStem!

  • @_AJH_
    @_AJH_ Рік тому

    Oli does accents, I click Like

  • @donschloth5785
    @donschloth5785 Рік тому

    Lovely

  • @vincefava7929
    @vincefava7929 Рік тому +1

    Masters age athlete......C68 for me.

  • @merridius2006
    @merridius2006 Рік тому +1

    Looking at them I kinda realise I need ~100k$ for a comfortable and safe ride in the country side. Honestly I’d better buy a car, stop somewhere and do squats because I’m that poor

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому

      You don't need to splash the cash on a bike like this, There are some great affordable options that will allow you to cruise the lanes, safe and secure. This Colnago is a top end bike, the f1 of cycling.. maybe something to aspire to?

  • @williamsham0
    @williamsham0 Рік тому

    Feels like something's missing without the rainbow band logo.

  • @adityanathanael
    @adityanathanael Рік тому

    uffff, sweeet ride!

  • @chrisstrider
    @chrisstrider Рік тому +1

    I need one of these for Xmas

  • @anthonylarson7919
    @anthonylarson7919 Рік тому +4

    I question the integrity of this review......nice looking bike though

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Рік тому

      It's actually not a review, just a run down of a very nice looking bike 😍

  • @1a2b3c4.
    @1a2b3c4. Рік тому +1

    Ceramics that should last the life time of the bike.... A few years.

  • @miriistina
    @miriistina Рік тому

    Hambini sent me 😄😄

  • @kinglauuu
    @kinglauuu Рік тому +1

    Is it made in Italy?

  • @timparker9174
    @timparker9174 Рік тому

    They both look great. How much do they cost? No info on that?

  • @bossg2817
    @bossg2817 Рік тому

    Jumbo Visma won with Shimano GS, makes sense if UAE will switch to it, makes sense eh?

  • @wanajday
    @wanajday Рік тому

    Check out Hambini’s review!

  • @bikesavvy3654
    @bikesavvy3654 Рік тому

    Can I get one in a 51cm frame size, 130 stem and 38 bars? Will the computer mount fit a Garmin 140?

  • @1a2b3c4.
    @1a2b3c4. Рік тому

    You guys are so conscious about weight, why are you not criticizing the extra weight of the tool hidden in the headset ?

  • @rg807
    @rg807 Рік тому +1

    I own a C60, my 3rd Colnago, and I think my last one. It's been a GREAT bike, but the new ones just aren't exciting to me. The new logo is lame, and to me, there's nothing quite all that distinctive or ground breaking of the C68 or the V4RS.