Crucial Tour De France Bikes: Pogačar Vs Vingegaard
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- This video contains paid product placement for Motul. We have been looking at the bikes of the riders tipped to win the 2024 Tour de France. Tadej Pogačar’s Colnago V4Rs and Jonas Vingegaard’s Cervélo R5.
Which rider will win the yellow jersey in Paris? Who cares, what is more, important is who has the best bike! Let us know what you think in the comments.
#tourdefrance #pogacar #vingegaard
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00:00 Intro
00:19 Tadej Pogačar’s Colnago V4Rs
07:03 Jonas Vingegaard’s Cervélo R5
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Who do you think will win the Tour? Pogačar, Vingegaard or someone else?
Jonas will pull it off
Tadej will have it in the bag
올해는 타데이😮
A gear ratio of 52/10 equates to 57.2/11. As 11t is 10% larger than 10t, just add 10% to 52t as well👍
You're right - my maths isn't as quick in the moment haha 🤣Thanks for watching, Simon
The little sticker on the stem bolt, at least on my bike, is to avoid sweat corroding the bolt :)
Could be - do you think the one on the crank bolt is there for the same reason? Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradar no that one is aero for sure. TT people put electrical tape over all these things because it costs nothing and is free speed. One covered bolt may be nothing, but 10 could matter a fair amount at the right speed
@@pierrex3226 Yeah, that's what I originally thought - just a 'why not' detail haha. As you say, it costs nothing.
Love the new colour scheme for Visma bikes this year! +10 watts power 🤣
Reserve Rims aren’t hookless but interesting Vittoria have made a 29mm tyre to suit.
Yes, appreciate that segment was a bit difficult to follow - I know the Reserve rims aren't hookless, but my guess is that the 29c tyres were made in response to the whole De Gendt incident (Vittoria also sponsors Lotto-Dstny), and other teams with similarly wide rims (in terms of internal width) will be adopting them for better aero performance rather than switching to 30c tyres.
If we'd had some warning, I'd have contacted Vittoria to ask about it but I literally saw it for the first time just as we were about to shoot the video and we only had limited time to get everything (video, photography, social content, etc.) done before the bike went back to the mechanics.
Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradar Thanks Simon. Would be great to see what Vittoria have to say about the new 29mm tyres. I run 28mm on my S5 with reserve rims and would be keen to know any benefits. Would also be great to see a similar video with Vingegaard's setup this year on the S5. Thanks for the great content!
@@tompage7394 We'll ask VIttoria at some point and see what they say, but I suspect it's simply about complying with the latest ETRTO and ISO standards (and the UCI's directive on this) about rim width and tyre size combinations, and enabling the teams to run slightly narrower tyres for better aero performance (otherwise the teams could just use the existing 30c tyres).
As for the S5, we're back in the UK now so we won't get to check that one out in persob at this year's race, unfortunately. We did see his S5 at last year's race, though, and other than than the paint job and groupset it hasn't changed too much, AFAIK - you can check that video out here: ua-cam.com/video/hw-_D8nwd9s/v-deo.htmlsi=jTFIlLXApV262Xax
Really good comparison, very well done, thanks.
It's totally irrelevant as Jonas is riding the S5 almost exclusively. So he compared a bike (R5) that isn't hardly used.
Thanks very much - glad you enjoyed it. Simon
@@l.d.t.6327 Jonas rode the R5 on a few on the big mountain stages at last year's Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same here. That said, if you want to know about his S5, you can check out our video of that bike from last year's Tour - other than the paint job and new SRAM Red groupset, it won't have changed much, I suspect: ua-cam.com/video/hw-_D8nwd9s/v-deo.htmlsi=1KlQzBX6YpsHBMHf
@@bikeradar Thanks, I admit it's a bit early to be sure he will always ride the S5, we're only 5 days into the Tour, but it seems it's his bike of preference as for now.
@@l.d.t.6327 Yeah, and, to be fair, I think the S5 is probably the better pick for most stages - these guys ride so fast that aerodynamic drag is nearly always the main thing slowing them down. Let's wait and see 🙂
It's so interesting that pogacar is running 32-33mm tires. I'd love to try that. Would soak up a lot of the garbage roads here. I still have 24mm tires 😢
I switched to 30/32's and they're more comfy, generally faster, more grippy, and more confidence inspiring... but I started in the age of 21/23mm tires so my brain constantly tells me the big tires are slower😅
once you do it you won't go back. my local roads are some of the worst in California and going back to my other bike with 28c on 14mm internal rims make me want to throw the bike in the garbage lol. Tubeless with 32c tires...beautiful and fast!
@@JohnnySantoDomingowell I'd need a brand new bike to try it, I'm pretty much maxed out on my old rim brake bike. 26mm pirellis measure to 24mm.
I use to tt on 21mm at 120 psi, now 30 at 55 it's a world of difference
There have been some amateur testing that shows 32c tires are the fastest size. They are definitely more comfortable. My bike fits 30c and are a world of difference from when I had 24c.
Tadej should win. Those Cervelo bikes have been great for years. UAE has done a nice job catching up.
the SRAM set on Visma bikes still looks a bit different than the new Red or old Force. Pretty sure Visma just gets the tip top of R&D secret groupset by SRAM
i suppose it just doesnt have the metal details as (im guessing) they just already got those parts before they were branded that way
The all-black chainrings are actually different than what comes on consumer bikes, to be fair - so you're not wrong in that respect. AFAIK, you can buy these oversized chainring sets separately from SRAM dealers, but they're not specced on OEM bikes and they don't come with complete groupsets.
Cheers for watching, Simon
The weight difference of 400 grams is massive. partially due to the tires but still.
70 grams is within the missing bike computer on Jonas' bike compared to Tadej's bike. Another 50 grams is within the heavy speedplay cleats (pedals are light, but cleats are heavy) that you have to factor in. And so you immediately ditch 120 grams of that massive difference. Above all, Jonas mainly uses the slightly heavier S5.
You just take the chain off before washing and put it back on after. Rocket science!
It's a pain don't make it sound like it's a 1 min process...literally can wash entire bike with chain in 15 min dry it apply lube and be ready for ride next day...waxing is a massive pain, 95% can't take off their pedals let alone chain
@@toshman696969 You don't need to rewax your chain after each ride. In fact, the chain is faster after being bedded in. That aside, it's unimportant if some Joe Blow can't remove his pedals. It is a simple and easy task. Taking off your chain is also easy and simple with a quicklink. There is no excuse. Yes, waxing itself can be tedious, but that's not what this is about. But if we are going to make it about the waxing process, think about the lengths they go to for a watt here or there. This is the Tour de France not your local junior's crit. There is no reason they can not mass wax a bunch of chains. Hell, they can actually prewax them ahead of the Tour.
@toshman696969 Huh? Most run a quick link, it's literally 30 seconds off, 30 seconds back on.. 🤫
@@user-qx4bp5rf3nExactly.. He must be part of the chain waxing hate crew. Why comment if your gonna say clueless stuff. Pro teams have the best mechanics and stuff, so it's easy as Sunday morning.. 😁
@@andrewlabat9963 I saw on GCN one of the teams has 40 waxed chains delivered every week.
Something that the best two cyclist in the world, who account for the last 4 TDFs, both ride bikes that are more like the TCR than the current look-a-like aero bikes..
Jonas still rides the S5 on many stages
You do know there are other cycling disciplines? More to cycling than road - or watts, w/kg......
@@WerdnaLiten Uhhh.. This video is about TDF bikes and riders, so why bring in others?
@@Shadowboost Yea, but they didn't show that one..
Thanks for reading me the spec sheet
The secret to Pogacar speed is the Hulk Sticker which is not here in his training bike!
I see these videos, and I always wonder. How long do you have to pester the mechanics to get some alone time with these bikes?
Great question - usually we try to contact the teams via their press offices to arrange it in advance, rather than springing a surprise on busy mechanics. Sometimes, though, we just have to be patient - the mechanics usually understand that us covering the bikes is good publicity for the team, so will typically give do their best to accommodate us (and everyone else from the media) as best they can. Cheers for watching, Simon
We bike would be the most fun offroad
I wander what psi they run
SES 4.5 = 50mm front and 56mm rear
40-34 climb gearing for the pros is wild to me.as someone that uses a 1:1 gearing.
Also wild is that is the fifth removed bike for Tadej’s first would have to be even more crazier than that.
One crash on that Colnago with all those drilled out bits and fins equals kabloey so you might as well just replace the bike over do a wheel swap.
Shimano power meter??? Does the team know how unreliable they are?
Cervelo’s, the paint job is very lovely, shocking to see it not being talked about. Also, how long they have stayed on that current iteration of bikes.
Can’t wait to see the TT setup comparisons if that is coming in the future. I feel like that is the more spicier comparison.
You should see them just 3 or 4 years ago when they rode 39-28.
I'm still running 34/27, 39/28. There are many climbs that I wish I had 1:1, but for the most part, I get by just fine. I did a 13% 0.7 mile climb on 34/27 and it was ok
So much better at reviewing bike's than gcn, they dnt even weigh them, how can u do a bike review without weighing it
Another excellent bike walk-through. Jonas, you're busted with your illegally light bike!
I seriously don’t get road bikes, like that shit you do to save weight, there is almost nothing to those break rotors (if I can call them rotors) on the first bike, I don’t get the pads grab because there is more hole space than rotor to grab on to
Cervelo..always
What sizes are both bike frames?
Pogačar rides a size 485 Colnago (which is roughly like a 54cm bike from other brands) and Vingegaard rides a 54cm Cervelo. Cheers for watching, Simon
Can someone explain why Pog is riding on 33s?
I guess UAE decided that the rolling resistance benifits of a wider tire at lower pressures outways the aero losses. There is a really fine balancing act between rolling resistance and aero as well as weight so we can expect to see the tires changing between almost every stage depending on the parcour and the team strategy.
He is riding 30s, that are ballooning to 32-33s due to the rim.
What I want to know is what the crank arm lengths they are using considering their difference in height. I think I'm as tall as Pogacar. 😊
Pog uses 165mm.
Pogačar was on 165mm cranks and I believe Vingegaard was still on 172.5s. Cheers for watching, Simon
Whoa! Strange...Vingegaard is shorter than Pogačar, right?
@@tolitsdterrible4785 Yes, but only by 1cm, according to Pro Cycling Stats. AFAIK, Pogačar only switched to 165s recently - he was also riding 172.5s a few seasons ago.
Pro riders moving to shorter cranks is part of a wider trend, though - we made a video on it earlier this year if you want to know more: ua-cam.com/video/yo3lydbxktg/v-deo.htmlsi=21YpzJK98VcnVAvj
Cheers for watching, Simon 👍
@@bikeradar
I see. Thanks a lot for the link. 😊👍
Is that the correct pronunciation of Bikone?
The ENVE rim depth you mentioned aren’t correct
and he's the one fly france to do the job...
indeed, it's 50mm in front and 56mm in the back (as of 2024 model, previous models were a bit different e.g. 49mm front and 55mm back)
Yes, you're right - that one slipped through the net, apologies. The correct rim depths are 50mm front and 56mm rear. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@nuttynut722 *Italy 😉
They probably just take the chain off and clean the bike bare.
it ain't the bike, it's the rider that mutters.
As I cannot afford either, whichever is given to me, I’ll gladly accept it; no fuss! 😅
Tadej bc Jonas is coming off injury
That paint job on the Cervelo gets ruined by the decals.
Why does Tadej's bike say Richard Mille on it. LMAO
It’s a team sponsor
@@VinceEmond it's a personal sponsor of Tadej.
32,6 and 33,2 mm smh, why is he riding tires wider than cyclocross limit?
This year, Tadej will win hands down!!!!
The Colnago + setup is way cooler...
Absolue black promoting another scam on the pro bikes
amazing, does it? most bicycle journalist talk like kamala harris, most of the time they have no idea what they talking about
I mean they must work decently well or they wouldn't be on there
Absolute scam
Are you part of the same club that calls a supercar a scam, an f1 car a scam, because both of those things are unnecessarily expensive
@@JZTechEngineering "scam" being something that promises too much to be true, costs an unreasonable amount, and probably performs the same as everything else on the market
a full time bicycle journalist that fly to France doesn't know Enve 4.5 basic spec....
At lest he didn't say that Conti GP5000 are 5000 mm wide
Mea culpa - I got that one wrong, the correct rim depths for ENVE SES 4.5s is 50 and 56mm.
As always, we do our best to get everything right, but inevitably some mistakes will slip through the net when we're working quickly and trying to cover lots of stuff.
And just to clarify, this year's Tour started in Italy, not France 😉
We want to see his S5, not R5
He wins on his R5 not S5.
@@janstephensss I did not realize he has won any stage this year (yet).
Unfortunately, we were only able to get access to his R5 this year, but if you want to check out his S5 then worth watching our video from last year's Tour: ua-cam.com/video/hw-_D8nwd9s/v-deo.htmlsi=1KlQzBX6YpsHBMHf
Other than the paint job and a switch to the new SRAM Red AXS groupset, it won't have changed much. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@vanw1554 I am mentioning his previous wins. The tour is still just 5 stages. Get real.
Colnago all the way
Ever notice how figure skaters dont talk about their skates??
Absolute crap is a scam and hookless are a trip to the emergency room.