In theory and on principle, yes. However, processes are more trial and error than people think. You see the most issues within the first 2-3 years of a model introduction. That's why the facelifts are usually more ironed out.
I believe it's a design issue, not a machining debris issue. Lexus was having bearing failures at least as far back as 2018, and 2024 Toyota & Lexus engines are still failing. This isn't a limited run of engines, Toyota will likely be doubling the number of recalled engines. This issue is affecting both USA and Japan built engines from 2017 to 2024. Is it something they can fix? Maybe, but I wouldn't buy a TTV6 unless Toyota offers an UNLIMITED LIFETIME powertrain warranty.
I just go with reason Toyota says (I'm not an engineer so I have to go with the engineers lol) But I'm not surprised by any of this, especially as we move towards more hybridization and electrification. So far, only 1 percent of these are being reported so there's hope. Won't hold my breath though.
I have a 23 platinum. I love the new power train. I'm also the owner of a 07 with 330000 miles. Both are great trucks. My truck is not included in the recall.
You would think anyone who is having this issue have gone back to their dealership. The issue is some have noticed the issue with less than 100 miles and others 40,000 plus miles. So that number of affected trucks could increase expeditiously at some point. THAT is the fear I have as an owner of a 2024 Tundra Premium. QUESTION I have is would it not be advantageous for Toyota to be checking the oil when they complete these oil changes for any sort of fragments? With today's technology they should be able to--but what the hell do I know! 🤔
It could be, but we have to work with the numbers we have for now. Toyota also hasn't given a remedy on the resolution yet either. The good news it (so far) has only affected 1 percent of the line produced. Hopefully it stays that way, but ultimately its a murky road.
How small are this bits of debris left after machining that aren't trapped by the oil filter? Or is it that debris are stuck in oil passages that lubrication is insufficient and the crankshaft is running almost dry over the bearings? let's see what happens at the end.
Unsure of the size but it appears to put a high load on the bearings causing them to fail. Ironically, the Hybrid version isn’t included in the list. Just the ICE version. But you’re right, we’ll have to just sit and hold tight.
@@BrkDownMedia Last night a friend sent me an Instagram post from an account of a shop specialized in Toyota Engines in Venezuela, and they got a few weeks ago a 2023 Toyota Tundra imported directly by its owner and guess what? Is already making that dreaded noise and he will have to pay the engine overhaul from from his pocket as it has no warranty there. Perhaps the issue will continue with 2023 and 2024 engines.
I have a ‘17 Tundra, which is solid as a rock, and follow the Tundra designs closely. The new twin turbo Tundra is now going on 3 years and this engine problem has existed in all 3 model years. The problem is far worse than what Toyota has published. If you follow the Tundra forums, you’ll see people running for the hills. Sales will tank.
It's a bad design, there's no two ways about it. Everyone owning one is going to get some sort of bandaid, that is going to get them out of warranty. Possibly slightly detuned too.
Toyota was required to enter a percentage, and they put 1, which is the default that they have no idea. It is right in the document. They also say that they tore down "good" engines and found evidence of bearing damage, so this is likely going to multiply as these trucks get more mileage.
@@jmoserutah I agree with that, which is why I say this is all unsurprising. However, I’m being optimistic, hoping that Toyota will do the right thing by their customers.
i work for toyota HQ in plano TX and a 4Runner fan/owner. i have been very skeptical of turbos on large SUVs and trucks on Toyota or otherwise. i’m sticking with naturally aspirated V6 for now. turbos on small cars is great like on my GR Corolla. good luck all.
Precisely. ℹ genuinely this is more trial and error in manufacturing than completely bad engineering. Ironically the hybrids have not been included in the recall.
Kinda surprised Toyota would have engine issues like this. Ford's 2.7 and 3.5 EB are definitely more refined and more reliable, not sure why anyone would buy a Tundra over an F-150.
Well, Ford has been doing the turbocharged longer but Toyota has been doing Hybrids longer. It’s honestly not the engine itself, it’s a misstep in the manufacturing; not the engineering which is what most people think is the problem
@@BrkDownMedia A missed step in the manufacturing process is still an engineering problem! Manufacturing processes have to be engineered properly to avoid the issues Toyota is having with the 3.4L twin turbo V6. The lack of testing the manufacturing process has led them to this point in time. The automated systems doing the machining and cleaning of the engine blocks are doing what Toyota has engineered them to do. No matter if the issue is a process failure or a mechanical design failure it's still an engineering failure no matter how you want to look at the problem Toyota is having.
@@wayneanderson991 I can give you that. When we talk about engineering, its usually from the mechanical design and structure of the engine. But there is engineering involved in the mechanisms that help produce the vehicles.
Early engines? Shit 2024 Tundras are imploding too! Even hybrid Tundra’s have been imploding! You say its fragments in the engine, every single engine has the front main bearing spinning, this is a design flaw, not debris!
Hey, I just deliver the news. Lol But like I said, we're in the early stages so none of this should be surprising. I think as more time goes on in manufacturing, we'll see improvements. Happens every time.
Definitely appreciate the intelligent perceptive. I agree mostly with you, however I`m not sure its a technology avoidance so much as it is a cost analysis. Lets be real, vehicles are a huge investment thanks to inflation and rising costs of maintenance and insurance. I don`t really blame any consumer for steering clear of unproven tech because it could end up biting you in the butt. Of course any brand can sell you a lemon but its best to minimize your risk so your not stuck with that lemon.
Thank you and I agree, from the perspective of the consumer. But most of the people buying this generation are early adopters anyway. If no one buys the product, we'll never know it has problems. Damned if you do, damned if you dont lol
I think the problem with that new Toyota I-Force V6 TT engine is that, it was not properly tested for endurance. They should have run that engine in the Lab for 500,000 miles and dismantle it looking for weakness then assemble it back, install in its chassis and test it on road. That's what Ford did with their 3.5 V6 TT.
No need to knock Toyota engineers, just NA reliability > FI reliability. Turbo should last ~150k, R&R of water-cooled manifold turbo is 6.2k - 6.8k on repairpal.
To suggest that these engine failures are somehow related to the "evolution" towards electrification is preposterous. More and more people are realizing that EVs are not that great and have many downfalls. Your obvious bias to EVs has no place in this discussion about Toyotas QC failure with this engine.
Electrification is not exclusive to EV's. It's any engine that involves electrical motors. I have an entire video explaining why I don't believe we should have gone the EV route. You should check it out. But anyway, Toyota changed this engine to align with their movement toward electrification and emission reduction. Otherwise, they would have kept and modified the 5.7 L.
I don't think so. Toyota, like any car company is going to protect their brand. But, they don't make some of the most durable engines in the world by creating smoke screens. I'm not saying they won't BS us, but I think this is a miscalculation for a new product.
@@BrkDownMedia my motives here, is that i'm a toyota fan and would like to buy a tundra. you can't blame us chickens for getting a little hard edged when existing tundra owners have been dealt with very casually. you are about the only person keeping his head in all this.
grammar police 2:00 'infamous' means famous in a bad way. for famous in a good way, just use the word 'famous,' or alternatively, 'renowned.' other than that, I would request please no background music, it makes it difficult for some neurodivergent people to concentrate. we're all adults, we can survive for a few minutes without music.
While correct in your grammatical application, cultural context should be considered when hearing the word “infamous”. And as a neurodivergent myself, while understandable, you may fare better with closed captions to help better understand the messages presented if the back track is distracting. Thanks for the feedback.
@@BrkDownMedia If by cultural context you're referencing AAVE, I don't speak much AAVE but I could see 'infamous' having the meaning of 'famous' in AAVE. I like mixing dialects and I like innovations that add to a language or make a language less cumbersome, and AAVE, like all patois, is certainly less cumbersome than standard English which is one of the more convoluted languages, but I'm not sure I like this particular form of infamous. Yes sometimes I do use the captions, but listening to speech is so much nicer, there is so much more meaning carried in speech.
@@BrkDownMedia over complicated low quality . too small for the vehicle the bottom end is weak. once it is outa warranty the repair costs of simple maintence and componet service will be crazy. fuel mileage is horrible. the truck rides awful and the seats are hard. shall I go on ?
@@JayMak1963 🤔 Sounds like a matter of cost cutting, not necessarily it’s junk but I see where you’re coming from. But to be fair most cars are not mechanically engineered for durability. They’re mostly made for convenience, efficiency and safety.
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No no no. This is not a natural process. If a company comes out with a new product that cost 80 thousand dollars it better be tested and flawless.
In theory and on principle, yes. However, processes are more trial and error than people think. You see the most issues within the first 2-3 years of a model introduction. That's why the facelifts are usually more ironed out.
It’s gonna be reliable and last 500,000 miles or more as the V8. I think I keep my V6 Tacoma.
Hopefully Toyota will do something bold and offer a 250,000 mile warranty on these engines to back them up and preserve resale.
I believe it's a design issue, not a machining debris issue. Lexus was having bearing failures at least as far back as 2018, and 2024 Toyota & Lexus engines are still failing. This isn't a limited run of engines, Toyota will likely be doubling the number of recalled engines. This issue is affecting both USA and Japan built engines from 2017 to 2024. Is it something they can fix? Maybe, but I wouldn't buy a TTV6 unless Toyota offers an UNLIMITED LIFETIME powertrain warranty.
I just go with reason Toyota says (I'm not an engineer so I have to go with the engineers lol) But I'm not surprised by any of this, especially as we move towards more hybridization and electrification. So far, only 1 percent of these are being reported so there's hope. Won't hold my breath though.
When someone says shavings left in the block, I do not believe it for a second. It's a bad design and they should own it.
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I have a 23 platinum. I love the new power train. I'm also the owner of a 07 with 330000 miles. Both are great trucks. My truck is not included in the recall.
I'm glad you mentioned other car brands. No one seems to be mentioning the large Honda and Ram recalls...
You would think anyone who is having this issue have gone back to their dealership. The issue is some have noticed the issue with less than 100 miles and others 40,000 plus miles. So that number of affected trucks could increase expeditiously at some point. THAT is the fear I have as an owner of a 2024 Tundra Premium. QUESTION I have is would it not be advantageous for Toyota to be checking the oil when they complete these oil changes for any sort of fragments? With today's technology they should be able to--but what the hell do I know! 🤔
It could be, but we have to work with the numbers we have for now. Toyota also hasn't given a remedy on the resolution yet either. The good news it (so far) has only affected 1 percent of the line produced. Hopefully it stays that way, but ultimately its a murky road.
Finally someone than won’t use fear mongering for clicks
How small are this bits of debris left after machining that aren't trapped by the oil filter? Or is it that debris are stuck in oil passages that lubrication is insufficient and the crankshaft is running almost dry over the bearings? let's see what happens at the end.
Unsure of the size but it appears to put a high load on the bearings causing them to fail. Ironically, the Hybrid version isn’t included in the list. Just the ICE version. But you’re right, we’ll have to just sit and hold tight.
@@BrkDownMedia Last night a friend sent me an Instagram post from an account of a shop specialized in Toyota Engines in Venezuela, and they got a few weeks ago a 2023 Toyota Tundra imported directly by its owner and guess what? Is already making that dreaded noise and he will have to pay the engine overhaul from from his pocket as it has no warranty there. Perhaps the issue will continue with 2023 and 2024 engines.
I have a ‘17 Tundra, which is solid as a rock, and follow the Tundra designs closely. The new twin turbo Tundra is now going on 3 years and this engine problem has existed in all 3 model years. The problem is far worse than what Toyota has published. If you follow the Tundra forums, you’ll see people running for the hills. Sales will tank.
It's a bad design, there's no two ways about it. Everyone owning one is going to get some sort of bandaid, that is going to get them out of warranty. Possibly slightly detuned too.
824 warrant claims out of 295,000 engines sold. While they need to fix it's not that large of a number. It's like 0.0027932203%
Exactly. The recall so far says it's only about 1 percent of total engines affected.
Toyota was required to enter a percentage, and they put 1, which is the default that they have no idea. It is right in the document. They also say that they tore down "good" engines and found evidence of bearing damage, so this is likely going to multiply as these trucks get more mileage.
@@jmoserutah I agree with that, which is why I say this is all unsurprising. However, I’m being optimistic, hoping that Toyota will do the right thing by their customers.
i work for toyota HQ in plano TX and a 4Runner fan/owner. i have been very skeptical of turbos on large SUVs and trucks on Toyota or otherwise.
i’m sticking with naturally aspirated V6 for now. turbos on small cars is great like on my GR Corolla. good luck all.
Precisely. ℹ genuinely this is more trial and error in manufacturing than completely bad engineering. Ironically the hybrids have not been included in the recall.
Kinda surprised Toyota would have engine issues like this. Ford's 2.7 and 3.5 EB are definitely more refined and more reliable, not sure why anyone would buy a Tundra over an F-150.
Well, Ford has been doing the turbocharged longer but Toyota has been doing Hybrids longer. It’s honestly not the engine itself, it’s a misstep in the manufacturing; not the engineering which is what most people think is the problem
Two things I don't want in a truck. Gas turbo or hybrid of any kind. Only two teicks I would by ford 150 5.0 or Nissan Titan.
@@BrkDownMedia A missed step in the manufacturing process is still an engineering problem! Manufacturing processes have to be engineered properly to avoid the issues Toyota is having with the 3.4L twin turbo V6. The lack of testing the manufacturing process has led them to this point in time. The automated systems doing the machining and cleaning of the engine blocks are doing what Toyota has engineered them to do. No matter if the issue is a process failure or a mechanical design failure it's still an engineering failure no matter how you want to look at the problem Toyota is having.
@@wayneanderson991 I can give you that. When we talk about engineering, its usually from the mechanical design and structure of the engine. But there is engineering involved in the mechanisms that help produce the vehicles.
not sure why you buy an f150 ... they are far from perfect 😂
Toyota install a V8 in my 2024 Tundra!
That is awesome. 👍
Maybe they can do that for a lot more 2024 Tundras.
Do you recommend buying a 2024 tacamoma?
Absolutely, just be cautious of dealer markup and if you’re unsure about the engine - Lease it. That way you aren’t stuck with it.
Toyota found a new way to weld main bearings to crankshaft.😂Lol
Early engines? Shit 2024 Tundras are imploding too! Even hybrid Tundra’s have been imploding! You say its fragments in the engine, every single engine has the front main bearing spinning, this is a design flaw, not debris!
Hey, I just deliver the news. Lol But like I said, we're in the early stages so none of this should be surprising. I think as more time goes on in manufacturing, we'll see improvements. Happens every time.
Every engine is junk. Main bearing cradle designed poorly, including hybrids and 24's. Buy a Ford for a ttv6.
Definitely appreciate the intelligent perceptive. I agree mostly with you, however I`m not sure its a technology avoidance so much as it is a cost analysis. Lets be real, vehicles are a huge investment thanks to inflation and rising costs of maintenance and insurance. I don`t really blame any consumer for steering clear of unproven tech because it could end up biting you in the butt. Of course any brand can sell you a lemon but its best to minimize your risk so your not stuck with that lemon.
Thank you and I agree, from the perspective of the consumer. But most of the people buying this generation are early adopters anyway. If no one buys the product, we'll never know it has problems. Damned if you do, damned if you dont lol
I think the problem with that new Toyota I-Force V6 TT engine is that, it was not properly tested for endurance. They should have run that engine in the Lab for 500,000 miles and dismantle it looking for weakness then assemble it back, install in its chassis and test it on road. That's what Ford did with their 3.5 V6 TT.
No need to knock Toyota engineers, just
NA reliability > FI reliability.
Turbo should last ~150k, R&R of water-cooled manifold turbo is 6.2k - 6.8k on repairpal.
Not a knock at the engineering, just observation of production trial and error to meet stricter emissions regulations.
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To suggest that these engine failures are somehow related to the "evolution" towards electrification is preposterous.
More and more people are realizing that EVs are not that great and have many downfalls.
Your obvious bias to EVs has no place in this discussion about Toyotas QC failure with this engine.
Electrification is not exclusive to EV's. It's any engine that involves electrical motors. I have an entire video explaining why I don't believe we should have gone the EV route. You should check it out. But anyway, Toyota changed this engine to align with their movement toward electrification and emission reduction. Otherwise, they would have kept and modified the 5.7 L.
no kidding, the manufacturing debris isn't a BS story?
I don't think so. Toyota, like any car company is going to protect their brand. But, they don't make some of the most durable engines in the world by creating smoke screens. I'm not saying they won't BS us, but I think this is a miscalculation for a new product.
@@BrkDownMedia my motives here, is that i'm a toyota fan and would like to buy a tundra. you can't blame us chickens for getting a little hard edged when existing tundra owners have been dealt with very casually. you are about the only person keeping his head in all this.
grammar police 2:00 'infamous' means famous in a bad way. for famous in a good way, just use the word 'famous,' or alternatively, 'renowned.' other than that, I would request please no background music, it makes it difficult for some neurodivergent people to concentrate. we're all adults, we can survive for a few minutes without music.
While correct in your grammatical application, cultural context should be considered when hearing the word “infamous”. And as a neurodivergent myself, while understandable, you may fare better with closed captions to help better understand the messages presented if the back track is distracting. Thanks for the feedback.
@@BrkDownMedia If by cultural context you're referencing AAVE, I don't speak much AAVE but I could see 'infamous' having the meaning of 'famous' in AAVE. I like mixing dialects and I like innovations that add to a language or make a language less cumbersome, and AAVE, like all patois, is certainly less cumbersome than standard English which is one of the more convoluted languages, but I'm not sure I like this particular form of infamous. Yes sometimes I do use the captions, but listening to speech is so much nicer, there is so much more meaning carried in speech.
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The engine is trash Period
So, one issue makes the whole engine trash? Let's re-evaluate that.
@@BrkDownMedia as a tech i can tell you yes junk
@@JayMak1963 What makes it junk?
@@BrkDownMedia over complicated low quality . too small for the vehicle the bottom end is weak. once it is outa warranty the repair costs of simple maintence and componet service will be crazy. fuel mileage is horrible. the truck rides awful and the seats are hard. shall I go on ?
@@JayMak1963 🤔 Sounds like a matter of cost cutting, not necessarily it’s junk but I see where you’re coming from. But to be fair most cars are not mechanically engineered for durability. They’re mostly made for convenience, efficiency and safety.