You don’t need an expensive cpu to livestream anymore!
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This is why I love this channel. Unlike most tech UA-camrs, Jay tries to convince you to spend less money, not more.
12:40: " I'm not expecting this to be good."
Yea, BF V has kinda had that theme going since launch
LOL, this bandwagon is still going?
@@eshelmen what bandwagon? It's objectively a shit game compared to the older battlefields
@@sammy43434 "objectively"
@@sammy43434 Subjectively at best.
lmfaooo 100% true
"Here's a tech tip"
*linus fumes from quarantine*
The fix for fps stutters when high fps is as simple as opening OBS in administrator
Will use this information very well, ty
@@Ace-hg3vx right click on the application and press run as administrator
Can confirm
Yeah this one is super easy, surprisingly unknown and is also kind of stupid in the way that all you needed to do was right click the damn thing
I wish lol
Alternative way to make you livestream look smoother:
Instead of capping your FPS to your livestream's FPS, just go to the video setting in OBS, change from "Common FPS Value" to either "Integer FPS Value" or "Fractional FPS Value" (Note that "Integer FPS Value" will probably be maximally capped at 120 FPS and no greater than that, at least it was for me).
Now you can set a greater than 60 FPS value (also works for recording).
Beware that since you are sending more information to Twitch, in other words, Bitrate, you might wanna sacrifice some resolution, especially if you are not sending 6000Kbps already.
Don't get fooled to what Twitch says. It will show you that you are recording in 60 FPS but the stream will noticibly look smoother doing so. I was also watching someone who did that and told me that it had worked for him.
And also, no matter whether you stream or record ALWAYS make sure to:
Start OBS as Administrator by rightcliking the icon and click on "run as administrator".
This will set the priority of the programm to the highest possible if there aren't any other programms opened in administrator aswell so it will make sure to basically record the footage with the desired resolution, FPS and etc and only then render your game.
Usually you won't lose any performance ingame, I myself didn't notice anything.
Thank me later.
thanks for the tips yo!
@@emolookinass793 No problem man, hope they will help in some kind of way.
@@Blensidi can someone get this King his goddamn 👑
I think my head would hurt playing at 60fps.
1660 Super is actually a good streaming GPU since it still has the new NVENC encoder. Was streaming on a 3770K a few months ago with this GPU.
christenlanger hbu 1660 ti ?
@@Darknmessis 1660 Ti is stronger than 1660 Super so that's even better. But if you're going to buy a new GPU, don't go for the 1660 Ti because it's not worth the price anymore (an overclocked 1660S can beat stock 1660 Ti). You either go 1660 Super for way less or 2060 for a little bit more.
christenlanger too late I got 1660 ti lol
I streamed on my old i5-4460 CPU with R9 380 GPU and it was a decent stream. I now have an i5-9400f with a 1660 Super and haven't done any streaming yet but I'll be streaming Valorant soon and have no doubts that it'll stream at good quality with no problems.
I also have a 1660 Ti, is overclocked to 1995 MHz, been using Nvenc for all my youtube videos, this is the most recent ua-cam.com/video/y7a7hAQlVYk/v-deo.html unfortunatly youtube compressed too much the quality, but the raw video looks pretty good, does not worth use CPU encoding anymore
Jay: “Entry level PC” Also Jay: “We will be using the 2060 Super”
BTW, Jay is hands down my favorite tech UA-camr.
seriously, they should have gone with a 1050ti or rx580 or something
*Mostly entry-level hardware*
Nomutra Yo. In no world the latest GPU Gen should be ever called entry. An mostly entry card would’ve been 1070 or 5500xt.
I thought the 3300x doesnt have backward compatibility, can be used on B450 boards, only X570 or the B550 that's coming out soon?
Here's some streaming tips:
1. Run OBS as an admin-Trust me. It makes all the difference!
2. ALWAYS use GPU encoding unless you have a separate stream PC so you can save some CPU horsepower for alerts and things like that.
3. Ensure your bit-rate is high enough, but not unnecessarily high. For example, using a 6000kb/s bit-rate on a 720p60fps stream is superfluous, but then again, so is a 2000ks/s bitrate on that same 720p60fps.
I personally use 5000kb/s on a 720p60fps stream, and use the extra headroom to set my quality to the highest quality instead of the fastest speed. Happy Streaming!
Edit: Obviously this comment was intended for lower end systems. People with 12-16 cores OBVIOUSLY shouldn’t need this kind of advice. Also side note, my system is a Ryzen 5 2600 OC 4.1GHZ and a Vega 56 with 16gb 3200mhz RAM in case you wanted my situation👍
Harris Heller did a video on what was said above about running stream and game on same system. ua-cam.com/video/3K21MkdLMAE/v-deo.html
I use 4500KB/s and get 1080p 60fps no problem.
Just buy 3950x
Soldier Of God the more bitrate you can give your stream the better it will look - though the difference may be hard to spot with such low bitrate options
What hardware encoder should a guy use if he's got an amd card?
I run 3 music livestreams and my settings are so finely tuned youwouldn't believe it! I squeeze everything I can out of one small nuc i5 system with onboard graphics and two virtual machines.
What are your settings on the pc? I'm interested on making better music production streamings. I'm planning on buying an rx570 8gb while using a 3400g and 16gb of ram 2666hz
@@lucasknauerhase3220 don’t go with 3400g I’d ur using a gpu
*if
@@pj1518 I allready have the 3400g in the system. The idea is letting free the cpu for only playing music, and using de gpu for the streaming.
Kw9lhj
One tip when benchmarking OBS is viewing it’s streaming/recording stats. You can view it by clicking view > docks > stats. It shows stats of when frames are missed due to rendering lag or skipped due to encoding lag, or the average time to render the frames, CPU and memory usage, even if there’s dropped frames during your stream/recording. It’s a big help instead of relying on viewing your own stream on twitch for any performance hits. Hope that helps!
yes i found this out like a day before i seen this comment but dam it helps so much with figuring out what settings are best for you by trial and error test streams
One thing you need to test because its Twitch: overlays, alerts and camera. This is the standard for a streamer. Not testing the PC to stream with those active is pointless.
Those don't require that much cpu power do they?
This video just shows that you can stream with entry level hardware. It may not be perfect, but it can be done
@@FrankTuk they don't unless you're dumb and going overboard like some do for no reason. Alerts will affect performance when they run. If you have them hardware accelerated itll affect gpu if not it'll run off your cpu. They barely do anything...
@@FrankTuk Those actually hits performance pretty hard for some reason.
Ace point right here
i actually was kinda done with the video as he said "use 60fps framelimiter" .. there is no testing in this video
Process lasso is also an amazing tool to help with single PC streaming. Being able to lock programs to certain cores/threads so they arent competing is so helpful.
so true, setting the stream to 4 cores and my games to my other 4 resluts in pretty much 0 fps loss (with some other settings as well)
What about using the taskmanager?
@@emmata98 problem with task manager is it doesnt save. you have to do it every time you stream. Process lasso saves the settings so its just easier. And theres more info to see so it helps
Yeah I tried playing and streaming off the same PC for a long time before I made the switch. Adding things like overlays and nice WebCams and microphones and Discord hurts your CPU usage as well.
Cody Leicher so do you not recommend streaming and gaming all off of one PC. Im in the process of building my first ever gaming pc and i want to stream off of it too, need tips on how to get good results ?!?!
@@adotsgaming3134 if you can get a cpu with 8 good cores, that would make it run smooth
@@igo985 That's 100% wrong, streaming can easily be done using NVENC and with a R3 CPU. Channels such as EposVox and Alpha Gaming have done tests showing this.
Don Hamacher thanks for saying this so I didn’t have to lmao
@@sparky3000200 The misconceptions are crazy like yeah that would be the case like 4 years ago but now? I feel like if the bigger techtubers did the same tests like the 2 I've mentioned, then life would be so much simpler lmao
00:54 "We've plopped in a GTX 2060 SUPER"
Jay, you did not...
It's RTX XD
Yeet
Yeah I was just about to say...
Is there really a difference?
@@kutokutosan7637 one has ray tracing one does not
@@wetplant1748 LOL!
I love the "sorry, i thought jay was going to point at something on the monitor lol" :D
When I talk to most streamers Im friends with, they dont claim their stream pc makes the stream look better but they still get max performance out of the hardware they bought in game and if a problem occurs like a crash, the stream stays live while they restart or troubleshoot the problem.
wow streaming nothing soooooo usefulllllll
your friends are right, if the gaming PC crashes, atleast your still live to communicate that to your viewers, and yeah, you don't lose any performance because you're encoding is happening elsewhere. i think Jay is right in saying you dont HAVE to use a second PC, but there is still definitely an advantage to having a secondary stream PC.
Being able to talk to a black screen for 2 minutes while you reboot isnt worth the increased costs though.
@@Konksling123 Not to mention having 2 pc's in series doubles (at least) the chance of something going wrong.
@@virtualtools_3021 Yes it is
our definition of entry level is clearly different Jay :p. Saluting ya from Italy
Well entry level capable of streaming
I'd consider a RTX2060 super entry level as well.
At least a card that is entry level and has somewhat of longevity before you need to upgrade again.
Or I'm totally underestimating lower tier cards.
My criteria for low end would be 60fps 1080p everything on max for current gen games. (games that released the same year and year after of the graphics card release, and earlier).
Then you could lower settings each year and upgrade around the time you need to put it on low settings?
Or would that be a spoiled mentality. I dunno, feels like it was way easier to pick a graphics card a few years ago XD
@@JustSomeDude31 Entry level would be 1650 Super (which is a slightly stronger 1060 I think) and RX570. It's enough for 1080p60 on Medium/High settings.
@@JustSomeDude31 The lowest tier 2060 Super currently is around $310 which is hardly entry level based on price alone. I feel that it's incredibly overpriced, when could get close 2/3 more performance (best case scenario) from a 5700 XT for around the same price ($350 when on sale). I'd consider the following as "entry level" right now:
Ryzen 3 3300x or 3100
GTX 1650 Super or RX 590
8GB RAM 3000MHZ
256GB or 512GB SSD
500-600W PSU
B450 Mobo
@@BitByteTechs i'm not sure where you guys are getting your gpu prices for a 2060 super new but umm i hate to break it to you that's not accurate for new cards. go look on newegg lol i ended up ordering a 2070 over a 2060 super because the lowest 2060S skew was around if not slightly higher than the base 2070 (msi armor oc) lowest priced 2070 card (it is out of stock now but it was priced at 419.99 USD and the new 2060 supers on new egg lowest priced now is 429.99 USD
now can someone please explain why you would pay 10+ USD more for a gpu that is less powerful than the 2070 for more money? again not sure where you are getting this 310 USD number from unless you are talking about "used" gpu's other than that as far as new prices go you are very wrong and mistaken lol.
also i am assuming you are talking about USD because $ is the US dollar sign, naturally one would think its USD :)
I thought Jay was gonna show us how to split some of the Cores to dedicated streaming like he said in one of his last videos
just open up your task manager, go to details, right click whatever streaming program you have, click on set affinty and choose how many cores you want dedicated to it, ezclap
@@ChrisXx12xX but don't really. It's extremely rare that you'll micromanage your hardware into better performance.
@@ChrisXx12xX You'd also need to go to your game and set its affinity to whichever cores the streaming program doesn't have affinity for... but really don't, it's a PITA and makes a negligible difference to changing the priority in OBS or setting an FPS cap. Decent chance it'll even be worse because you won't be at 100% utilisation across both the game and streaming cores so you'll leave some performance unused
I was just letting him know how to do it guys 😐
Exactly, thats what i was waiting for and to see some statistics
Thanks Jay! I’ve been having stuttering problems on my Warzone streams lately. Will try messing around with the settings to see if I can get a smoother experience for viewers.
When you mentioned playing at a multiple of your stream target fps, obs has a 48 frames setting which is 1/3 of 144 hz.
Ah yes, the gtx 2060 super. My favorite.
Sam there’s a laptop seller down here in Ecuador that’s advertising a laptop as having a gtx 1060ti. NVIDIA and their naming schemes 🙄
@@Jackofafewtrades they're very smart with naming I mean 1660 makes a lot of sense!
Julian van der Merwe what a sh!t hole
Hey jay, I've been through it all, two PCs, low end hardware etc. I started streaming with a 950 and a i5 4690k, it was ... manageable. As long as you don't use intensive overlays/effects for your stream and just stick to barebone settings in game and good balance of settings in OBS you can get through streaming on low end hardware. I tried two PCs as well but it really didn't seem worth it anymore.
The best solution is what you've shown here. A good PC and put the money that you had for a second PC towards a main PC. You no longer need 2 pcs to stream in 2020. Kinda how SLI isn't cool anymore.
Does anyone notice, how when Intel was the top dog - we didnt have these kinds of tests.
Exciting time to be alive
True. And Intel was mainstream overpriced CPU for years with 4c/8t . People used to stream a lot on 4c/8t machines. Now look at 3300x, killer of i7 4c/8t CPUs.
@@PsychoCaki well i bought a 5820k in 2014 wich was like 350 euro so basically the same price with the highend mainstream quadcore i7's. ofc it's x99 so a more expensive plattform but i didn't see any reason to upgrade since then. i just swapped the 970 i put into it when i build it for a 1080ti and upgraded storage and swapped my 16 gig for 32 gigs of ram. and i still don't feel like upgrading. 6c/12t is good enough for basically anything still in 2020. guess i'll wait till we really get something new like ddr5 and do a full new build. well mostly. my ssds and hdds will move. sata is still sata and for my gen 3 m.2 i don't care. there isn't a lot of advantage in having pci-e 4 ssds really.
Not really. You could use the iGPU to stream at almost ZERO quality loss (about as good as NVENC) in most Intel CPUs going all the way back to the 3000 series. My wife streamed just fine at 720p/60 on her 6600K using h.264 via Quicksync.
We only "upgraded" her rig to a 2600X recently because Micro Center was basically giving them away at 90$ + 30$ off the MoBo, so the whole upgrade was like... 150$ and allowed us to move her to M.2 storage and get rid of some cable clutter.
Her stream quality really isn't any better now; she's doing 1080p only because she's finally got a 1080p camera.
@@DSPZulu why'd you put upgrade in quotes? thats definitely a upgrade
I think that’s a coincidnece
4:00
Quality comparision
x264: 100%
NVenc: 93%
AMF: 91%
QSV: 85%
note - enable motion boost on AMD AMF
The new turing nvenc is now better than x264 slow and it doesnt evel lower the fps
I have i7 8750h and 1050 Ti, but for lower bitrates, I found QSV give better quality compared to NVEnc. Well, that’s just from what I can visibly see on the screen.
With OBS, you need to enable Game Capture if you have a high refresh rate panel. It also makes your stream look WAY better (in my experience) since it can get rid of the many awkward skips.
Jay what about the "streaming on a few cores" video?
yes!! I was expecting that video when got the notice.... They did not deliver what they promised. Upvote this guy so they see and make an other video on the topic!!
It’s simple to do in the task manager you can set core affinity and only use some cores for the stream and the rest for the game. I personally didn’t find it useful since you need to do this every time you start the Programms...
@@iridiumflare oh damn that is easy. I had no idea how to do it but was able to find it within 10 seconds after reading your comment. I would still probably just let the windows scheduler take care of it. Maybe would make a good video, jay hmmm...
@@iridiumflare there's actually free Programms that can do it for you and it will be the same every time :)
Need to test with webcam alerts and overlays going
Dose that affect performace?
Yes it does tax the cpu as well
and with nudity/skimpy clothing, and tossing Phil over the shoulder.
Use streamelements to make your overlays use less processing power
Exactly, he's too focused on the game. There are so many more elements to consider when streaming. He should at least added a cam feed.
This is the video I needed. I’ve been struggling with my streaming settings for months trying to work out what would work. I’m soooo glad you done this video 🤟🤟. I’ve got a Ryzen5 3600 and a red dragon 5600xt. My streams always seem choppy, blurry and lots of skipped frames
This is very timely. Was just about to build a streaming/gaming pc on a budget and just hours before I buy my stuff this thing goes. Thanks Man!
Jay, can you go over setting an entry level cpu up for live streaming using the 2060 or cpu? It would be handy to know what software we need, how to download it all, and set it up.
pretty sure "you don't need an expensive cpu to livestream anymore" was a thing since Ryzen 5 1600 was released lol
Would love to see a revisit of this test with Doom and BF5 with OBS run as administrator, rather than limiting frame rate etc. :)
CPU 3300x. "For a budget system use B450". Or wait for mid June get a B550. Now that AMD has said the new 4k series CPUs won't be supported on B450. Budget also means getting the most out of your money.
they will be supported
No, they won't be. B550 mobos only support 3000 and 4000 series(not counting 3200G, etc...).
@@FuzzyDlop they will
I had my eyes closed and I was drifting into sleep sitting here watching the video and when he said Doom Eternal I heard it as Do me Turtle. And it snapped me out of the doze I almost fell into. I started laughing out loud.
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Deuxma internal?
I keep hearing "do me, Ternal" whenever he says "Doom Eternal"
Hey @JayzTwoCents, I spent the last year or so streaming on a single PC setup. I was running with an OCed 6600k (When I built my rig, I was not planning on livestreaming) with a GTX 1060. It's an older code, but it checks out. I did not like redlining my machine while streaming, but I went forward with it. Depending on the title I started running into problems where my rig was no longer stable. For example I was running into audio problems in Apex Legends. This turned into a lot of starts and stops on the stream, many troubleshooting moments, which is not a good viewer experience. And I was pretty hard with my setup, wanting some animations and various other CPU intensive tasks (like a facecam?!). I think you have proven the point that it is possible, and maybe even feasible for some users. However, you have not included a lot of the other CPU intensive aspects to creating a quality stream. That being a screen overlay, Steam Alerts, a quality webcam/facecam, and maybe a simple soundboard with an Elgato. Oh and if you are running a single PC setup chances are you will also want a second screen to handle all the backend streaming stuff.... Viewing chat, etc. Now I am running a 2 PC setup and it gives me much more flexibility. I was able to get a trashed Optiplex w/ a 6600, so I am still running a 720p60fps and CPU encoding. It is much more stable for both machines, and allows me to focus on my viewers experience.
6600k & gtx 1060 is way behind the setup jay uses. That's more or less Jayz point, with Ryzen 3000 and RTX you don't need to jump through all the hoops that you needed on older hardware.
@@altemzwo8390 you missed his point. There are other things that a secondary streaming PC allows you to do easily -- primarily backend streaming stuff like a soundboard and controlling chat without having to take control away from your game or dealing with multimonitor (single pc) control.
The price may also be lower if you already have a gaming PC such as getting trashed computers for very very cheap that can do the non-gaming stuff separately for you.
Insane how fast pc tech is improving.
yeah, to me it's cool but also annoying at the same time. Cause now it's like well I could buy this buuuttt I could wait for this part to come out since it'll be better. Also, I'm mad that my B450 Tomohawk that I got less than a year ago won't have 4th gen Ryzen support.
It’s tech has always increases at the same rate for the most part. Moore’s law
@@zipper978 prob is Moore's law has been slowing down lately, Intel's been on 14nm for years. AMD has 5nm in risk production and 3nm is being RnD though.
@@ChfHappySack yea, I have an overpriced X470 mobo, kinda annoying i won't be able to slot in a 4th gen risen
thanks jay im getting same results with a 1050 ti thought i was going crazy but since you getting same results proves im not going crazy
I love Jay he gives you no BS true info. I am not an Overclocker and just want to buy good parts and build a good pc with Out of the Box Performance.
I would recommend running OBS as administrator to.
Why?
@@matthewwalle4988 it has something to do with prioritization...
Does that matter if you run GPU encoding?
JayZ likes his pc's like he likes his cars. Fast, loud and cool :)
" Doomy Ternel "
"Do me, Ternal" XD
Once heard, it cannot be unheard
I tried using my older (i7 4790k, 16gb Ram, gtx 1070) pc as a 2nd pc for recording using this software from my newer pc (r7 2700x, 32gb ram, rtx2080) and found that actually just using the one machine using the encoder in the rtx 2080 was actually more stable for recording 1440p 60fps. Seems crazy that a small dedicated chip inside a video card can outperform an entire computer with a 400 quid cpu from 5 years ago whilst also running the game at a very high level of performance.
So glad Jay talked about upload saturation impacting DL. Need to refer customers to this video just for that. They look at me like I'm feeding them lies when I tell them this
When are you doing the video on how to dedicate specific cores/threads to specific tasks such as streaming?
that was basically it mate.
that part where he changed the priority, thats it. the cpu and os will manage themselves better than you would ever.
@@asaadb1 that's not it. There's a way to lock specific cores and threads to focus certain tasks. He talked about it in a recent video. Linus did something similar when he made all the computers in his house virtual computers off one 32 core processor.
@sw4gr1d you have to click details first (just adding additional information)
The cpu priority in obs is what you want. If you lock cores to something and the other application needs a boost during a spike, your gonna drop frames
@@IlluminanceWeddingFilms Wrong. If you have anything over a 4-6 core machine setting CPU affinity is extremely more efficient. It allows the cores to stick to a specific job instead of the PC trying to automatically balance everything out from both apps over all cores.
"By using entry level hardware." - todays video is sponsored by the corsair one :D
...And what's your point?
@@mhx6437 hmmmm i dont know also i guess we'll never find out since context clues and critical thinking dont exist
@@lame6848 *D O N T E X I S T*
lmao
this guy has the same idea of budget or entry-level as Linus
This isn't a budget build. Entry level is something that can get the job done. Budget builds CANNOT STREAM.
@@scythelord depends on the game. i streamed path of exile with a 4690k and rx 480 720p 30 fps.
scythelord
All a “budget” is is a predefined amount of money to spend. What if the budget was $2,000? That’s still a budget build when $5,000 could build a more capable machine.
A $100 Walmart phone is plenty to “get the job done” if live streaming is your absolute priority. Point it at your gaming screen...... Screen-in-screen and all the bells and whistles that people use aren’t necessary to establish a live-stream connection.
Thanks a lot jay you explained things a lot better than other videos I’ve seen I’m brand new to Pc gaming never owned a pc and my boy help me build mines I have a 2080ti with a i9 I was having trouble with the lag when On my stream and I didn’t understand why if I have a high end Pc but when I lowered my base resolution from 3440 to 1920 it made all the difference thanks again bro
Awesome vid, I'm a newbie to OBS so this was helpful.
I wish more "tech guy" channels would do streaming tests like this, especially when they benchmark CPUs. I keep seeing CPU benchmarks, like, "here's doing nothing but gaming, here's doing nothing but encoding," and that's great, but looking at every task individually doesn't really tell me how the CPUs compare in a livestream, when you're basically doing both at once.
'course, I'm probably worrying about nothing since 90% of the time I'm streaming simple/retro stuff that my new computer runs while idling.
0:55 Apparently there is a gtx 2060 now lol
Not live streaming games, but live streaming DJ sets.
Working with a 10 year old 860 i7 from Intel in an Acer factory box and a 750ti. It wont run Doom Eternal (well, it does run, but at like 10 fps with this graphics card), but it still does work for all I need it to do.
Can stream at 6000 bitrate no problem.
So how about that for an "entry-level" pc?
U can probably upgrade that cpu for like 20 bucks
And doom on minimum wont run?
@@calvitocalvon1711 it runs, but whenever you get to where a lagra part of "the world" needs to be rendered, fps drop to 10.
When in confined spaces my 750ti does keep up with 60fps, but it's rare.
Most of the time it runs at 15-20 fps.
Guess with a newer graphics card it would run way better, with still this cpu. Cpu is only running at 30% while playing Eternal, so it's the GPU which is the bottleneck
@@calvitocalvon1711 the motherboard is equally as old as the processor and it's not pegged at all. Eternal makes the CPU run at like 30% so I don't have to upgrade the cpu
@@tijnsnijders i see, interesting, 750 ti still a beast for plug and play gaming with no power consumption and somewhat decent graphics
Ah yes "GTX 2060 Super"
0:52
Entry level
@@jason41042 lol ENTRY level. i have a 2060 regular and max settings on every single game 1440p.
hell yes ty Jayz. i tweeted u a reminder to do this a week ago, was really wanting to see how it works.
The reason for the jitter isn’t because of the frame rate or the frame drops. It’s because of the frame timings. If you lock you frame timings to something consistent then the game will look smooth in both the stream and in person. That’s why video shot on a camera irl looks so much better and smoother than video shot in a video game. The cameras record at a fixed frame rate and frame time.
Once you start loading in fights on doom wouldn’t it hurt performance more than jumping in empty rooms?
2060 Super isn't an entry level card, it's $500, it has 8gb of memory, meaning it's in the upper mid based on pretty much all criteria. You show people how to stream on a 1050ti or a 1650, because those are entry level cards.
$400($500 is 2070 Super), but I get your point.
NVEnc on 1050 Ti or 1650 isn't as good as on 1660 or 20x0...at the lower bitrates Twitch supports.
Wow, this advice genuinely helped a lot. Thanks
That's actually really impressive. It looks like settings configuration can get you far.
beginning of many a video: Insert construction noise complaints here
I've never considered the CPU load when the GPU is able to run more FPS, could having higher graphics settings increase performance in some cases?
Yes
If CPU is maxed but GPU isn't, then it can happen.
> Entry level PC
> GTX 2060
Yeah... Sure...
00:17 "Mostly" entry-level.
@@rogersartandsolutions5074 if it is a entry level pc, mine is not even a then
@@OmPrakash-pc1ec I wonder if I can call mine a PC now
you guys gotta be realistic about your pc's.. maybe your pc was good back in the day, maybe it was decent back in the day, maybe you built a low budget entry level back in the day... but tech goes on, and this IS an entry level gaming pc in 2020.
I'm on 3600x and 2060 super and my experience is exactly whats shown here. Silicon lotery was very kind to me, so my 2060 super runs BFV in 120 fps while streaming, nearly no framedrops, everything is cool
Just use NDI for secondary stream PC's. Your essentially mirroring the display output over local network without affecting upload bandwidth, while minimizing latency and chances of hardware errors when using input capture devices. It also hardly used any resources on transmit and receiving ends of video feeds.
No overlays, no alerts, no transitions. So basically super entry level streaming.
they did not say that this will be the superb best 140% most extreme stream.
"So basically super entry level streaming." yes, on a super entry level gaming/streaming pc.
@@bekenhagyjal7567 yeah but you'd expect to get a very nice stream if you're gonna sink $400+ into the graphics card alone
@@bekenhagyjal7567 you'd be much better off with a 2060 and 3600 or even a 1660 super with 3600
You have to have realistic expectations. 400$ on a gpu is nothing really extraordinary. Its mid-tier-ish. And mid-tear has limitations. This video is not a turorial, not something like "buy this and you will have the best, most fantastic gaming experience and a super fancy stream the same time" They just say that - with its limitations and some sacrifice - you are able to game and have basic streaming going on the cheap. Cheap, considering how much a high end gaming/streaming setup would cost. For the same overall cost you can play with the gpu-cpu choices here as you pointed it out correctly... but again, they just made a video to prove that you can stream on a low-mid tier pc.
@HAZZARD xDD thats a good point.
9:47 "But we lost a lot of FPS in the game" and there the issues start. Yes it is possible to livestream from a single PC (depending on the game and your PC spec), but quite often you are going to run into situations where you are messing with settings and making compromises to gameplay, in order to keep your stream looking smooth. Also if your OS crashes and you need to reboot, say goodnight to your live stream. I think getting your hands on a cheap secondary PC /laptop and using NDI or a capture card is the way to go, if streaming is your priority.
Since when do capture do encoding?
ya jay clearly missed the point of why ppl use a second pc for streaming. its so u dont get lagg and performance loss on the game
I've never noticed that a lot of the yters I watch change the title within a few hours of dropping vids. Strange.
Makes you more likely to click on it if you scrolled past the first time and they can track how well its performing and make adjustments, also it was pre uploaded, so they have to come back and change things most likely
Lots of UA-camrs have place holder titles and they change them later.
Click baity title for the first 12 hours. Then a more accurate title for the search algorithms once the video is off the main feed.
On github, there's a project that gives you a hardware amd as an option for encoder. This encoder allowed me to stream and record pretty smoothly with a 2200g as a CPU and gpu.
honestly having a separate streaming pc still has its place because of the separation between the gaming machine and streaming machine .. my gaming rig could easily stream but I prefer to use my streaming rig when I do stream .. I mean so many things can go wrong in a stream having two setups cut out alot of the headache or it can cause another headache in the initial setup but once it is makes thing much easier IMO. I am in the process of building a dual system PC and still plan on having the smaller PC in the rig for streaming.. also my streaming rig is more then just a streaming rig as I use for network storage also so it will be in my overall setup for awhile longer.. I do recommend new streamers to start with one PC but if you do eventually want the pros that two pcs bring I highly recommend it
same here having a second PC for just streaming is more beneficial
is it me or most the tech guys look hella cool with beards
Jay, you said you'd show how to dedicate specific cores to the task...
By setting the cpu priority in OBS
@@IlluminanceWeddingFilms No through CPU Affinity.
jay explaining 2013 basic streaming :>
Hadouken OCX not realizing that this is very helpful for others :>
Here is another tip which makes a MASSIVE difference - Disable preview within OBS when recording or streaming
OBS should add a semi-preview mode, where it pauses the preview a few seconds after each transition. I need to know which scene im on at a glance, not necessarily what's perfectly in frame
Great video Jay. I have a 9400f with a RTX 2060. When I stream AC Odyssey and the Witcher 3 at 720p/60fps, capping frames at 60 fps made the output so much smoother. Uncapped I get around 85 fps/110 fps for both games at very high quality. As much as I want a a 3700x and a 2070 Super, I'm very happy with my rig as I hit my college student budget perfectly.
0:55 *GTX 2060 SUPER*
Me: LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The gtx 2060 costs equal to my grandma's kidneys.
I'm curious how a second webcam source will affect the quality
I did a livestream with 2 camera inputs and a window capture simultaneously from a 4 year old laptop and it didnt seem to make much difference at all. Your mileage may vary though, the laptop I was streaming from does happen to have a Quadro graphics card in it so I am using the NVEnc encoder
If you hit a USB bus bandwidth limit, it will stutter, fail outright, or cause your audio to get static-y.
@Cj Nation367 ThinkPad P-series is all Quadro AFAIK.
@@MrGeocym I stream on an i3-8100, 16gb ram and a custom oc 750ti, I can have an advanced overlay (chat, current song, stingers alerts and so on), multiple brave windows, discord, and a ton more apps all at once and have no issues putting out a 1080p 60fps stream on non-demanding games, like minecraft and cs. I think it is magic, as it looks decent on stream for what it is, and I get no complaints from friends or randoms. (even though I don't get much views, the ones I get don't say anything about it)
Havoc A4
The 8100 was a hidden gem when it came out. Severely underrated cpu for what is in my opinion. I also use an 8100.
Would love to see a price to performance video streaming at each tier going up the cpu/gpu stack
I kept my 1070 after my upgrade, kept it in and loaded off to software encoding using GPU1 (the 1070). Never an issue.
16:58 we just going to forget the joke about it being a closed casket? 😂😂😂
"buh muh midrange can't into strimming"
I think the consumer base still has to get used to the new AMD paradigm of powerful hardware which doesn't cost an arm and a leg anymore, even if your brand new motherboard won't support the incoming brand new series of CPUs.
There was a time when i5s wouldn't do the job. R5s do. R3s do it too now. You won't even need the nvenc hardware encoder when you have 12 hard cores and 24 threads to throw at the job. It reminds me of a threadripper review where the guy streamed his game, recorded it and rendered a previous stream at high quality settings all at the same time, having half the CPU left over doing nothing. 16 cores. We're getting there on the consumer level soon.
with the msi tomahawk x570 coming out soon, you can get fantastic performance for incredible value too if you don't mind paying an extra 85 bucks to upgrade from the b450. Or you could just wait a month or two to get a b550, which would have to be priced significantly under the x570 for it to not be dead on arrival. The whole 400 mbd series controversy sucks but in terms of people who want to build a new pc soon, it just isn't that big of a deal. It only matters for people who built a pc in the second half of 2019, and for those people, I'm sorry amd are too disorganized to treat you well. But even if you do build a b450 system right now, by the time you want to upgrade, you probably either can't or wouldn't want to keep your motherboard anyway.
Me: Oh nice, a cheap stream build
Jay: It has a RTX 2060 Super in it
Also Me: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I'm pretty sure he needs an RTX graphics card to use the latest version of nvenc, which is the whole purpose of the video
@@wherearethepies9043 nope, the 1660Ti has the same encoder, I think all Turing cards have them because its part of Turings kit that doesnt rely on the rtx feature set
Imraan Omar I don’t think the 1650 has it though, only 1660+ cards do. Could be wrong but no one should really use a 1650 (non-super) let alone stream with it.
If you're spending $150 on a cpu a RTX 2060 Super is pretty fuckin cheap
Dude, get out of retail or allowance from mommy.
great video - however there is other negatives, i think the worst is the overlay part.. most streamers today runs overlays.. iracing laptimers, or "donation" elements and others... so that creates the demand for a capture pc.
1080p60 works perfectly fine using nvenc on my GTX 960, i5-750 cpu and 8gb ram @ 8000 kbps bitrate. System from 2009 with a GPU from 2015. Can easily stream on a budget.
Me watching it on my i3 7gen dual-core, with intel grapics
Ah yes my favorite genre: csgo
"Entry level parts" RTX 2060 😅
Not even KO($300), but Super($400).
Lol wat is my rx 5500xt then extreme low end
Because of the nvenc encoder. Streaming, remember?
16 series also has the Turing architecture and nvenc encoder
Would you guys recommend getting the 2060 Super or just stay with the 2060? I already bought the 2060 but I can still return it, if the 2060 Super is a better choice. My plan is pairing it with the AMD Ryzen 3 3300x + b550 mobo
Jay you need to test with a camera and a simple overlay with alerts so we can see the performance because stream have all 3 now a days and it is expected of a stream to have those at least.
I streamed with a Ryzen 2600, Nvidia Rtx 2060 and 16GB 3200, no OCs. Very smooth experience, the Nvenc encoder is wonderful!
Very good video. I have one small complaint though. You don't need to limit your FPS if you enable game mode in Windows 10 while you're using NVENC. Your GPU will split usage between OBS and your Game and the most performance you'll lose at the heaviest is close to 5%. So 95% of your GPU will still be dedicated to getting the max fps out of your game. :D
Target is “1080p 60fps” thats Too high for non partnered twitch streamers. 720p 60fps or 900p at a upmost push.
900p isn't really good because it's not a good scale for 1080p. It's better to just drop to 720p. Also a thing to consider is the game's speed. If you're playing something fast paced it's much better to stream at 720p because of all the jitter that you'll see at 1080p.
@@vampireeric1 the scale isn't that bad. 6000kbit/s isn't enough to make 1080p60 look good but 900p60 looks pretty good at 6000kbit/s and afaik you cant get more than 6000kbit/s if you're not a partner
please do more research! anyone can get transcodes on Twitch! just being partner is guaranteed transcoding. resolution means nothing. you can stream 1080p60 at a 300 bitrate if you want.
Polarbear605TV as you’ve said you aren’t guaranteed it. Everyone can’t watch 1080p streams because of their internet. Why put off new people that want to see what your streams all about already with 1080p.. it’s is great for partners that’s it.
AshK5x once again. Resolution means NOTHING. You can broadcast 1080p at 300 bitrate.
Commenting as i'm watching:
He said mostly entry level ? probably an rtx card for the better nvenc ?
O-oh, an rtx 2060, didn't suspect that.
Aaaaaaand he's using nvenc.
For those who don't know, the rtx cards have better nvenc which is as good as decent cpu encoding if not better.
The gtx 10xx+ cards also have new nvenc, this only improves performance not the quality.
You’re right. And wrong at the same time.
The card to card difference is in the chips used to encode, the one on 20-series cards is better in terms of quality. That’s true.
1650 Super and upper cards have all got that new NVENC chip with better quality.
The OBS options are completely different to that though. Those are about “new method of working with an nvenc chip” which eliminates unnecessary data copying from VRAM to RAM back to VRAM which is done in “regular” NVENC option in OBS. That’s where the performance difference comes from.
Snic___ this isn’t true, all 16XX and and 2XXX GPUs have the new Turing encoder with the only exception being the OG GTX 1650 (the 1650S *DOES* have the better encoder.) Also, the “new” NVIDIA encoder that you may see in OBS is for 1XXX 16XX and 2XXX and in practice it’s closer to being *new* settings rather than a new encoder
This is actually very helpfull, i am planning on building a new pc to game/stream but i was worried about perhaps using my old pc as a streaming pc. (my planned pc's specs are way above the one shown). So thank you very much Jay.
you should try 1440x900 / 900p , its more than 720p (obviously) and uses less GPU/CPU usage for render , not like 1080p
900p is the sweet spot for single pc stream for best quality
Lmao, 2060 super is definitely not a *entry level* GPU, should've went with a 1660 super
He said " MOSTLY" entry-level. Critical listening is hard apparently.
@@rogersartandsolutions5074 so *"MOSTLY"* also includes the motherboard, case, CPU cooler and the GPU? That's already a 4/8 components in a pc, 4/7 excluding storage, that already half of the components of a pc
@@lucas_vlanc He could have picked any AM4 compatible motherboard and received the same results. Same with the case, he couldve even used a cardboard box but instead he just went with one that looked nice and had on hand. The cpu cooler can be as cheap as 35 bucks for a 212 evo (one of the best air coolers on the market for that price imo). or he couldve used a spire that comes with it. The GPU is hands down the most expensive part of the build and thats just because he wanted to use NVENC. You can use weaker gpus but the hit on performance is higher since turing is very important for nvenc encoding.
Vid is "You don’t need an expensive cpu to livestream anymore!" 25 seconds in he runs an add for a $4500 pc lol
0:55 Gtx 2060 Super?
I've been streaming with a single pc for a few years now. I7 6800k and a 1080ti, lose about 10% fps. One thing, if you are going to stream on a single pc get a second monitor!
i agree with you @ 17:50 but if people want a 2 pc setup and don't want to go through capture cards and setup up all kind of audio stuff, NDI plugin is worth using IMO. it's another great option out there that is underused IMO.
Please remove that "MUST SEE" from the title. It downgrades the excellent content to some trashy clickbait-crap. Noone liked that.
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