[Freeze frame as Hideyoshi learns the truth] Konishi voiceover: See that guy over there in the corner, looking like he's about to have a heart attack? That's me. You may be wondering how I got into this situation. See...
This is the feudal Japan version of that trope in sitcoms where the guy accidentally asks two girls to prom and has to dance with both without either finding out about the other
I honestly didn't know about the shenanigans Konishi pulled with the Vassal King scheme, it's both hilarious from one perspective that Hideyoshi went along with it out of ignorance, effectively making himself look like a fool and also tragic because there was only going to be one response from Hideyoshi when he learned the truth, saving face through extreme revenge violence.
@Deinis de Sousa He truly admired Yi sun shin though he was a monsterous enemy, which means he understood opponent's perspectives well. Not like hidetoshi, he was not the war maniac.
Not really. Konishi basically tried to con Hideyoshi into peace when it’s obvious he wanted something else, then blamed the other side when the con failed.
Well it was not that he was apointed King but reconised as a Vasal. Which sure was also a huge insult but a diference. But the whole diplomacy at this point where more or less a decision by both Ming and Japanse Subordinates to keep their head where it belongs. Because neither side would be to happy if their Diplomats explain them that they other side want them to become their Vasall.
@@susakuzero Thank you. Whether appointment or recognition, it was a huge humiliation to Hideyoshi. He was a son of a poor farmer and made himself the ruler of Japan. Probably he could not understand how the China-center hierarchy system worked in Asia in those days.
He was a self made man~ but not enough to vassalize China THAT easily. China had been invaded before so they were doubly mistrusting of foreign powers. However the blood WAS in the water for the Ming Dynasty so If Hideyoshi just left goddamn Korea alone ( no offense to Koreans North or south of course) and just went to face the final boss- He might've been able to Colonize enough of southern China which was the heart (foodwise) of China but obviously not the brain- into forced negotiations and ultimately favorable trade. Which ironically kind've is what the Europeans did- though it was far messier than that of course.
I would suggest Mr. Samuel to have one episode for the official role of Hideyoshi in Japan for unfamiliar viewers with Japanese history. He can't be a vassal of China when he is the vassal of the Emperor of Japan. He proclaimed he wants to conquer China for Japanese Emperor in the first place.
Ashikaga Yoshimitsu also accepted the title of "king of Japan" (and implicit vassal status) during the early Ming, so maybe the Chinese thought the same thing was going on?
In the case of China, they don't really Emperor of Japan as equal. They even addressed Japanese Emperors as Kings of Japan. Shogun in reality is the Commander in Chief of Imperial army is far lower than the "King" status for Chinese. Still, addressing Shogun as a prince cpuld be insulting as well. Perhaps, Chinese produced the most reasonable title in their eyes or simply have no clue about Japanese system
Has anyone ever filmed a dramatization of this event? One historical account has it that when Hideyoshi heard the accurate translation of the Chinese message "vapor exhaled from his head." I think with a good cast of actors, this would be a scream.
There are a few Korean Shows on the Imjin war that depict it but for some reason they all tried to make it dramatic and VERY toned down instead of the beatifully awkward clusterfuck it actually was. I just finished The immortal Admiral Yi-Sun-Sin and there they just depicted the mistranslations instead of Hideyoshi waltzing around in a vassal king robe for two days.
You have me addicted. Your story telling skills are awesome. Waiting for the next episode far more than I ever waited for a game of thrones episode. I have your books in my amazon wishlist. Just need some money and I’ll get them. Extremely excited to read them. Thank you so much for all these videos!
Konishi original plan was to bribe another Monk who was always be the translator. But he used the other monk to translate and the scheme was busted. It's a jaw dropping black humor.
This diplomatic incident was the subject of quite a number of tales and poems in Japan. Such as following piece by the Japanese Kanshi poet Rai Sanyou: 裂封册 史官讀到日本王， 相公怒裂明册書。 欲王則王吾自了， 朱家小兒敢爵余。 吾國有王誰覬覦。 叱咤再蹀八道血， 鴨綠之流鞭可絶。 地上阿鈞不相見， 地下空唾恭獻面。 As the official read aloud the words "King of Japan", Lord Hideyoshi tore up the Ming investiture document in anger. "If I had wished be King I would have crowned my self, How dare the Zhu brat give me titles! Japan already has a king, how could anyone think of usurping him? My armies shall trample a bloody swathe through the eight provinces of Korea. My whip shall sever the flow of the Yalu river. In life, Ah Jun(the name of the Wanli Emperor was Zhu Yijun) shall never get to see my face. In death, I shall spit upon the face of Kyouken(the title given by the Ming to the Shogun Ashikaga Yoshimitsu who was invested as the King of Japan by the Yongle Emperor in 1404)
Author, Samuel Hawley, has but single-handedly introduced the devastating East Asian world war, The Imjin War, to American and the western world consciousness. I've known about the Imjin War since high school from reading a book about the history of the samurai, in a well-written chapter, "Hideyoshi's Korean War". In the following decades more good books specializing in the Imjin War appeared, one of the best if not the best in my opinion is Mr. Hawley's own definitive tome on the Imjin War. Mr. Hawley's historical account is encompassing, far more than the military operations involved, but commentaries on Korean, Japanese, and Chinese cultures, traditions, and historical relationships with each other. All of this will play critical parts in the two-part, Japanese invasion of Korea with its ultimate goal of occupying the Ming Chinese dynasty, as the Mongols had previously accomplished. Japanese dictator generalissimo, Hideyoshi was another one of world history's one-of-a-kind exceptional individuals who rose from humble beginnings to unite and rule a divided country. After this accomplishment which already sealed his place in history, generalissimo Hideyoshi will convene personal overweening ambition with urgent political expediency to keep his new vassals occupied and prevented from plotting against him. The result will be overwhelming over-reaching, greatly overestimating his own military assets and capabilities and underestimating the resolve of the intended Korean and Ming victims. This sets the stage for a massive, East Asian conflict on a world war scale not seen since the tidal wave of Mongol conquests of Genghis Khan and his successors some three hundred years previously.
Great series, really enjoying it, fantastic use of graphics as well, however I'd like to politely point out that the "Chinese" envoy you used at 2:08 is a Korean scholar-poet named Jeong Mong-ju from the preceding Goryeo dynasty.
Some sources say The emperor and top officials were rather skeptical abt Hideyoshi’s demand and repeatedly asked and asked if the demand is so simple, the emperor even sent someone to Busan to get a separate confirmation and was told yes it is real before going ‘ok…that was easy…’
Mr. Hawley, any chance you might make an episode on Korean cannons of the Imjin War era including ammunition? It is rather hard topic to deeply investigate.
My understanding is that not only was Konishi playing games so was the Chinese envoy 沈惟敬 (Shen Weijing.) Shen also agreed to Hideyoshi's conditions but then claimed to the rest of the Chinese delegation that Hideyoshi wanted to be a Ming vassal. Shen's fraud was eventually found out and was executed in 1597 by the Ming government,
Yeah I think an underrated aspect of the war was just how hilariously self-serving everyone involved in the negotiations before and during the invasions were.
It's amazing how throughout this war, Jeju island seems to have remained untouched/unmentioned throughout the war from all of the sources I'm aware of. I find that kind of surprising.
Hideyoshi wasn't a very good student of Chinese history. Even when hard pressed by northern tribes during the Han and Tang dynasties when princesses and tributes were regularly sent, China never admitted that it was anything but an equal, and this, grudgingly so.
I love your channel. But LOL, I see Jeong Mong-ju, a famous Korean loyal servant of the Goryo dynasty, masquerading here as a Chinese envoy! What happened??
@@shootfightingclubchilescc9245 Even if China has such a long history, this incident has never happened. shenweijing is an interesting person. I guess he is a gambler.
fantastic video once again Sam!! Keep up the good work!! Love the animations you make for these videos. By any chance, any historical basis of the robes and crown given to hideyoshi that you used for the video?
I think you use a wrong picture for the Chinese envoy. The guy you refer to as the Chinese is Jeong Mong-ju, who served for Koryo, one of the old Korean dynasties. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeong_Mong-ju.
Amazing series! I still wondering why the Japanese didn't capture Cholla in order to deprive Yi from his naval bases. The imjin war is golden material for an animated series.
Well for what reason should they. Its not that this would have been the only Base Yi could use. If this was the only suitable Base they could use in Korea it would have make sense. But since he simply could station his fleet somewhere else it would just have been a waste of time.
@@susakuzero Maybe because it would have created a problem to Yi's logistics, exactly the same way the Japanese had problems with their own logistics in Korea. You know, how tough it would have been for a 1500s fleet to have a base hundreds of miles away from its main operational area.
Logistical capabilities. They had great limitations in manpower. If one analyzes the war, it is obvious that the Japanese advanced rapidly, mostly defeating major Korean Armed Formations, and occupying a number of major cities an fortresses, but most of the countryside was beyond their control and the Korean rallied for guerilla warfare. The believe held among many Japanese that the Korean population would just submit because of the defeats by their militaries that happened not be the case was a very rude awakening. Jeolla was strongly defended by Korean standing and auxiliary forces precisely because of its strategic naval importance and because it was was Korea's leading breadbasket. The Japanese were decisively defeated in the first battle of Jinju.
@@coreagroup I admire your opinion as one individual's thought. but I cannot agree with you.If someone mentioning French King, but using Donald Trump's picture, don't you think it would be awkward? Jung Mong Ju is hard figure in Korea, not just Asian long-ago centuries' someone.
This episode clearly shows the difference between Koreans and Japanese. To Koreans, recognition by the Chinese Emperor was an honor. To Japanese, it was a sheer humiliation.
No... its Confucianism and no confucianism. If Japan was also heavily tainted by confucianism the situation would have been the same. And if Korea was not tainted by the Confucians, Japan would have remained in its influence just like how it was in the Goguryeo Beakje.
@@Wandrative I think the difference between the Japanese and the Koreans primarily comes from without the sea and with the sea. Geography forms characteristics of people. If Koreans lived in an island separated from China by the sea, they would think and act the same way as the Japanese, and vice versa.
Because the Chinese general did not have the authority to send envoys to Japan - getting official imperial envoys would have been a really lengthy process: the Chinese general recognized that it would be foolish not to use the opportunity to negotiate with the Japanese, so he had his officers playing the role of envoys.
Earliest European navigators to that part of the sea, which had subsequently played some of the biggest role in the naming of water bodies round the world in the international hydrographic community, like the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English and French had named it the *Sea* *of* *Japan* in various nautical charts in 17th century due to various reasons, apart from the perceived insignificance of the Korean nation at that time. 1. Nation prestige: Tokugawa > Joseon 2. Economic power: Tokugawa > Joseon 3. Military might: Tokugawa > Joseon
@@MrBlabaxSea of Japan. it's not the name of at that time,but the name after 19C. It implys Japan's high staues after the modern era. It was east sea at that time before modern era. Westerners name it as Sea of Japan for Japan's sake, because japan was big figure for them.
The term "Sea of Japan" is rather a new entity established after Russia and Japan war. Previously it was referred to as "East Sea" or "Joseon Sea." Japan pushed it to be "Sea of Japan" when Korea was under Japanese occupation with no Korean participants present in the committee meeting for governing oceans name.
Poor General~ yea he was abit of an ass- but caught between two absolute rulers each looking for the win.... The guy would be at both their stakes if negotiations broke down. He prob just wanted to weasel a win out of this and gtfo
The rumour is Konish later went to Europe and one of his descendants is Frank Trump, Donald Trump’s father. Now you all understand where the gene of the Conman was coming from and why Trump hates Gina so much.
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[Freeze frame as Hideyoshi learns the truth]
Konishi voiceover: See that guy over there in the corner, looking like he's about to have a heart attack? That's me. You may be wondering how I got into this situation. See...
This is the feudal Japan version of that trope in sitcoms where the guy accidentally asks two girls to prom and has to dance with both without either finding out about the other
This has been one of the most entertaining episodes. 😆
It's almost like you could write a book about it-
I honestly didn't know about the shenanigans Konishi pulled with the Vassal King scheme, it's both hilarious from one perspective that Hideyoshi went along with it out of ignorance, effectively making himself look like a fool and also tragic because there was only going to be one response from Hideyoshi when he learned the truth, saving face through extreme revenge violence.
I kinda feel bad for Konishi tbh coz he has to deal with both parties' misunderstanding and prevent tensions from erupting. Poor guy lol
@Deinis de Sousa He truly admired Yi sun shin though he was a monsterous enemy, which means he understood opponent's perspectives well. Not like hidetoshi, he was not the war maniac.
Not really. Konishi basically tried to con Hideyoshi into peace when it’s obvious he wanted something else, then blamed the other side when the con failed.
The coronation is basically an office episode lmaooo michael scott hideyoshi being clueless while jim halpert konishi nervously looks into the camera
Just awesome! I can imagine how furious Hideyoshi got. Hideyoshi was a self-made man. He didn't need to be appointed a Japanese king by Chinese.
Well it was not that he was apointed King but reconised as a Vasal. Which sure was also a huge insult but a diference. But the whole diplomacy at this point where more or less a decision by both Ming and Japanse Subordinates to keep their head where it belongs. Because neither side would be to happy if their Diplomats explain them that they other side want them to become their Vasall.
@@susakuzero Thank you. Whether appointment or recognition, it was a huge humiliation to Hideyoshi. He was a son of a poor farmer and made himself the ruler of Japan. Probably he could not understand how the China-center hierarchy system worked in Asia in those days.
He was a self made man~ but not enough to vassalize China THAT easily. China had been invaded before so they were doubly mistrusting of foreign powers. However the blood WAS in the water for the Ming Dynasty so If Hideyoshi just left goddamn Korea alone ( no offense to Koreans North or south of course) and just went to face the final boss- He might've been able to Colonize enough of southern China which was the heart (foodwise) of China but obviously not the brain- into forced negotiations and ultimately favorable trade. Which ironically kind've is what the Europeans did- though it was far messier than that of course.
Welcome to the East Asian foreign relations structure dating back to at least the Han Dynasty. See Middle Kingdom reference, etc. etc.
I would suggest Mr. Samuel to have one episode for the official role of Hideyoshi in Japan for unfamiliar viewers with Japanese history. He can't be a vassal of China when he is the vassal of the Emperor of Japan. He proclaimed he wants to conquer China for Japanese Emperor in the first place.
Ashikaga Yoshimitsu also accepted the title of "king of Japan" (and implicit vassal status) during the early Ming, so maybe the Chinese thought the same thing was going on?
In the case of China, they don't really Emperor of Japan as equal. They even addressed Japanese Emperors as Kings of Japan. Shogun in reality is the Commander in Chief of Imperial army is far lower than the "King" status for Chinese. Still, addressing Shogun as a prince cpuld be insulting as well. Perhaps, Chinese produced the most reasonable title in their eyes or simply have no clue about Japanese system
The Ming Imperial Edit in question, it appears, is still being displayed in the Osaka Historical Museum even today
Ah. So everyone can come see it and not bow.
Has anyone ever filmed a dramatization of this event? One historical account has it that when Hideyoshi heard the accurate translation of the Chinese message "vapor exhaled from his head." I think with a good cast of actors, this would be a scream.
There are a few Korean Shows on the Imjin war that depict it but for some reason they all tried to make it dramatic and VERY toned down instead of the beatifully awkward clusterfuck it actually was. I just finished The immortal Admiral Yi-Sun-Sin and there they just depicted the mistranslations instead of Hideyoshi waltzing around in a vassal king robe for two days.
The guy playing Hideyoshi would have to be capable of reaching Al Pacino levels of scenery chewing when it comes to temper tantrums
Another excellent video. I only wish that the entire series was complete so I didn't have to wait. Thank you
Thanks, Brian! I'm almost done. Finishing work on Ep. 21 at the moment, "Battle of Myeongnyang." Full series will be 23 episodes.
That’s why reading a book is amazing.
Please note that there were military activities held by Admiral Yi in 1594.
Japan "here comes our Chinese vassals"
China "lets go see our Japanese vassals"
Koreans "THESE MF's!!!"
You have me addicted. Your story telling skills are awesome. Waiting for the next episode far more than I ever waited for a game of thrones episode. I have your books in my amazon wishlist. Just need some money and I’ll get them. Extremely excited to read them. Thank you so much for all these videos!
There is something Pythonesque about Konishi’s self-inflicted dilemma. I want Terry Jones to play him.
Such a well done series! Keep it up and I look forward to the next episode.
Thank you for the awesome lecture!
Konishi original plan was to bribe another Monk who was always be the translator. But he used the other monk to translate and the scheme was busted. It's a jaw dropping black humor.
This diplomatic incident was the subject of quite a number of tales and poems in Japan. Such as following piece by the Japanese Kanshi poet Rai Sanyou:
裂封册
史官讀到日本王，
相公怒裂明册書。
欲王則王吾自了，
朱家小兒敢爵余。
吾國有王誰覬覦。
叱咤再蹀八道血，
鴨綠之流鞭可絶。
地上阿鈞不相見，
地下空唾恭獻面。
As the official read aloud the words "King of Japan",
Lord Hideyoshi tore up the Ming investiture document in anger.
"If I had wished be King I would have crowned my self,
How dare the Zhu brat give me titles!
Japan already has a king, how could anyone think of usurping him?
My armies shall trample a bloody swathe through the eight provinces of Korea.
My whip shall sever the flow of the Yalu river.
In life, Ah Jun(the name of the Wanli Emperor was Zhu Yijun) shall never get to see my face.
In death, I shall spit upon the face of Kyouken(the title given by the Ming to the Shogun Ashikaga Yoshimitsu who was invested as the King of Japan by the Yongle Emperor in 1404)
cool poem.
Love ur soundtrack👍
Author, Samuel Hawley, has but single-handedly introduced the devastating East Asian world war, The Imjin War, to American and the western world consciousness. I've known about the Imjin War since high school from reading a book about the history of the samurai, in a well-written chapter, "Hideyoshi's Korean War". In the following decades more good books specializing in the Imjin War appeared, one of the best if not the best in my opinion is Mr. Hawley's own definitive tome on the Imjin War. Mr. Hawley's historical account is encompassing, far more than the military operations involved, but commentaries on Korean, Japanese, and Chinese cultures, traditions, and historical relationships with each other. All of this will play critical parts in the two-part, Japanese invasion of Korea with its ultimate goal of occupying the Ming Chinese dynasty, as the Mongols had previously accomplished. Japanese dictator generalissimo, Hideyoshi was another one of world history's one-of-a-kind exceptional individuals who rose from humble beginnings to unite and rule a divided country. After this accomplishment which already sealed his place in history, generalissimo Hideyoshi will convene personal overweening ambition with urgent political expediency to keep his new vassals occupied and prevented from plotting against him. The result will be overwhelming over-reaching, greatly overestimating his own military assets and capabilities and underestimating the resolve of the intended Korean and Ming victims. This sets the stage for a massive, East Asian conflict on a world war scale not seen since the tidal wave of Mongol conquests of Genghis Khan and his successors some three hundred years previously.
You should also read about the Goguryeo Sui, which makes Imjin a joke in comparison
9:53，the Chinese depicted is in Tang Dynasty style, not Ming style.
Great series, really enjoying it, fantastic use of graphics as well, however I'd like to politely point out that the "Chinese" envoy you used at 2:08 is a Korean scholar-poet named Jeong Mong-ju from the preceding Goryeo dynasty.
always waiting for an update!
Thanks, Jerred! Love your name, by the way. Aguirre, Wrath of God!
i love these series detailed and enjoying 😍
Awesome, keep up the great work!
This channel is super underrated! Love your work. This episode is the funniest one so far XD
Some sources say The emperor and top officials were rather skeptical abt Hideyoshi’s demand and repeatedly asked and asked if the demand is so simple, the emperor even sent someone to Busan to get a separate confirmation and was told yes it is real before going ‘ok…that was easy…’
I love your videos. Very interesting and informative.
Mr. Hawley, any chance you might make an episode on Korean cannons of the Imjin War era including ammunition? It is rather hard topic to deeply investigate.
I've done quite a bit of my own research into it going back to the primary sources. I think I have a pretty decent understanding of them.
Very entertaining this. Wish I could draw you some illustrations for your videos :D
Konishi: It was just an accident lost in translation.
Google Translate: Hold my beer.
My understanding is that not only was Konishi playing games so was the Chinese envoy 沈惟敬 (Shen Weijing.) Shen also agreed to Hideyoshi's conditions but then claimed to the rest of the Chinese delegation that Hideyoshi wanted to be a Ming vassal. Shen's fraud was eventually found out and was executed in 1597 by the Ming government,
Yeah I think an underrated aspect of the war was just how hilariously self-serving everyone involved in the negotiations before and during the invasions were.
Very good video Hawley
this should be a movie. a movie and a version dubbed in english. :)
Read your book, thanks for the good videos
Great video! Great Serie! I hope after you end the Imjin War you talk about the mongol invasion to Japan.
It's amazing how throughout this war, Jeju island seems to have remained untouched/unmentioned throughout the war from all of the sources I'm aware of. I find that kind of surprising.
Ohohoh it was not so untouched but it managed to defend itself tightly.
Reminds me of the Peloponnesian War. One land force, one naval force and one monolithic third party.
Hideyoshi wasn't a very good student of Chinese history. Even when hard pressed by northern tribes during the Han and Tang dynasties when princesses and tributes were regularly sent, China never admitted that it was anything but an equal, and this, grudgingly so.
greek and persians spoke english in 300 (film). they should make a movie called IMJIN where all speak english :)
Thanks for posting the video. But at 1:22 that is not the location of Nagoya. Nagoya is closer to Kyoto.
I love your channel. But LOL, I see Jeong Mong-ju, a famous Korean loyal servant of the Goryo dynasty, masquerading here as a Chinese envoy! What happened??
Konishi Yukinaga is no ordinary Daimyo. Very interesting historical figure, far more than some of his more well known contemporaries.
Poor Konishi!
Wow thats was hell of a historic prank!
Incredibly absurd
@@cattom292 imagine hym with a crown and all hahahaha
@@shootfightingclubchilescc9245 Even if China has such a long history, this incident has never happened. shenweijing is an interesting person. I guess he is a gambler.
I believe the letter was something like this:
"To, Toyotomi Hideyoshi,
You're my bitch now.
Your lord and master, The Wanli Emperor".
Eagerly waiting for the next episode, wonder if Yi Sun Shin is coming on stage soon. Amazing work.
He sure is. The next installment will be "The Arrest and Imprisonment of Yi Sun-sin."
fantastic video once again Sam!! Keep up the good work!! Love the animations you make for these videos. By any chance, any historical basis of the robes and crown given to hideyoshi that you used for the video?
Nice
I think you use a wrong picture for the Chinese envoy. The guy you refer to as the Chinese is Jeong Mong-ju, who served for Koryo, one of the old Korean dynasties. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeong_Mong-ju.
Was Konshi allowed to resume command?
Amazing series! I still wondering why the Japanese didn't capture Cholla in order to deprive Yi from his naval bases.
The imjin war is golden material for an animated series.
Well for what reason should they. Its not that this would have been the only Base Yi could use. If this was the only suitable Base they could use in Korea it would have make sense. But since he simply could station his fleet somewhere else it would just have been a waste of time.
@@susakuzero Maybe because it would have created a problem to Yi's logistics, exactly the same way the Japanese had problems with their own logistics in Korea. You know, how tough it would have been for a 1500s fleet to have a base hundreds of miles away from its main operational area.
They could not do that.
They tried several times but were beaten back every time by inferior forces
Logistical capabilities. They had great limitations in manpower. If one analyzes the war, it is obvious that the Japanese advanced rapidly, mostly defeating major Korean Armed Formations, and occupying a number of major cities an fortresses, but most of the countryside was beyond their control and the Korean rallied for guerilla warfare. The believe held among many Japanese that the Korean population would just submit because of the defeats by their militaries that happened not be the case was a very rude awakening. Jeolla was strongly defended by Korean standing and auxiliary forces precisely because of its strategic naval importance and because it was was Korea's leading breadbasket. The Japanese were decisively defeated in the first battle of Jinju.
Lol what were they thinking? is this really what happened!? He demands a list and the letter that was sent asks for him to be a vassel!? wear.
I wonder what Gilbert and Sullivan would have done with this story!!
OMG, WHAT ARE YOU DOING KONISHI?! AHAHAHA
I got to wait another week !!! lol
Is this the sign that we will see Yi Sun Shin legendary last stand???
Bamboozled 😅😂🤣
That intro music lol
Jung mong ju's portrait as Chinese?? that's ridiculous
토론배틀tv Surprised？The Chinese also sent the N.Koreans to sign cease fire at PanMunJom
@@hyltoniali257 what are you implying?
@@coreagroup I admire your opinion as one individual's thought. but I cannot agree with you.If someone mentioning French King, but using Donald Trump's picture, don't you think it would be awkward? Jung Mong Ju is hard figure in Korea, not just Asian long-ago centuries' someone.
@@토론배틀tv The author probably didnt study chinese history, but only studied japanese and a bit korean history. Thats why he paste the wrong picture.
@Samuel Hawley This is what happens when a lack of clarity happens between two countries….sorry. Actually, three countries.
This episode clearly shows the difference between Koreans and Japanese. To Koreans, recognition by the Chinese Emperor was an honor. To Japanese, it was a sheer humiliation.
No... its Confucianism and no confucianism. If Japan was also heavily tainted by confucianism the situation would have been the same.
And if Korea was not tainted by the Confucians, Japan would have remained in its influence just like how it was in the Goguryeo Beakje.
@@Wandrative I think the difference between the Japanese and the Koreans primarily comes from without the sea and with the sea. Geography forms characteristics of people. If Koreans lived in an island separated from China by the sea, they would think and act the same way as the Japanese, and vice versa.
The recognition of what is the question. A Vessel or an independent belligerent.
For Koreans, recognition of their being vassal to China was an honor. And the Koreans were very proud of being a vassal country to China.
Why did they send a faux envoy though?
Because the Chinese general did not have the authority to send envoys to Japan - getting official imperial envoys would have been a really lengthy process: the Chinese general recognized that it would be foolish not to use the opportunity to negotiate with the Japanese, so he had his officers playing the role of envoys.
The tragicomedy of diplomacy.
It's called "East Sea" or "Korean Sea", not "Sea of Japan.' Please make the correction on the map!!
Not true, I'm afraid. In some quarters it's Sea of Japan. I use both in my book and these videos, to recognize both sides.
Earliest European navigators to that part of the sea, which had subsequently played some of the biggest role in the naming of water bodies round the world in the international hydrographic community, like the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English and French had named it the *Sea* *of* *Japan* in various nautical charts in 17th century due to various reasons, apart from the perceived insignificance of the Korean nation at that time.
1. Nation prestige: Tokugawa > Joseon
2. Economic power: Tokugawa > Joseon
3. Military might: Tokugawa > Joseon
@@realsamuelhawley i understand you. Very neutral statues you wanted to be in.
@@MrBlabaxSea of Japan. it's not the name of at that time,but the name after 19C. It implys Japan's high staues after the modern era. It was east sea at that time before modern era. Westerners name it as Sea of Japan for Japan's sake, because japan was big figure for them.
The term "Sea of Japan" is rather a new entity established after Russia and Japan war. Previously it was referred to as "East Sea" or "Joseon Sea." Japan pushed it to be "Sea of Japan" when Korea was under Japanese occupation with no Korean participants present in the committee meeting for governing oceans name.
平秀吉曰 吾慾王則王 何待明虜之封
Hi Mr Samuel, in 4 years, how come koreans did not raise a trained army ? Money or just plain lack of killer instinct in the Royal court
In that period, Yi sunshin's fortresses had trained his men the numerous tactics heavily and, cannon manufacruring .
Good grief this all sounds like a comedy.
Lost in translation reloaded
Poor General~ yea he was abit of an ass- but caught between two absolute rulers each looking for the win.... The guy would be at both their stakes if negotiations broke down. He prob just wanted to weasel a win out of this and gtfo
Huh!
How to fail diplomacy.
The rumour is Konish later went to Europe and one of his descendants is Frank Trump, Donald Trump’s father. Now you all understand where the gene of the Conman was coming from and why Trump hates Gina so much.
Screwball comedy.