Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Review - Best Business Laptop?
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Review of the 2022 Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga. This is the 7th gen of lenovos convertible business laptop. It was updated with the latest 12th gen intel processors. But is it worth it?
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What do you think of the 7th gen 2022 ThinkPad X1? Also, if you missed it I reviewed a water cooled laptop which you can find here - ua-cam.com/video/a9-4WvbI4LQ/v-deo.html
The nipple needs to stay. Intel needs to go.
Sorry I have to dislike this video, since you are too emphasize on removing the nippl*/trackpoint.
Its clearly that laptop is not for you. Just buy the yoga 9i then.
The nipple is a great time saver. Whether it's a mouse or a touchpad, you need to move your hand away from the keyboard every time if you want to point and click at screen elements. But the nipple is right there... for yours to touch away without even moving your hands very far. Plus your arms would be forever grateful to you because you're not holding a mouse at an awkward wrist and shoulder angle.
And it looks good, thinkpad signature nipple.
And doesn't take up extra space or weight, so I definitely appreciate the option and don't see it being in the way for those who don't use it; it's signature of the Thinkpad.
Completely agree. Nipple is rest for your wrists. I experienced aches using mouse or touchpad, but red dot takes out a lot stress from the hands
Can't live without it, even my ThinkPad external mini keyboards has it without the trackpad. I usually disable the trackpad from my Ubuntu to avoid any accidental movement while using the track point mouse
@@_Bashar definitely makes tons of sense on an external keyboard. On the laptop itself I really enjoy having both and being able to use interchangeably whenever; and as you pointed out, one can always disable the one they don't want, it's nice to have the options!
you can use the tent mode to place it in your desktop as part of your setup as a secondary screen while you work on an external monitor as your primary screen, that way tent mode not only would let you have a cleaner view without the laptop keyboard but also save you from having to use a laptop stand since it stands vertically on it's own.
One slight issue I have with tent and tablet mode on these 2-in-1s:
The large bezel near the hinges is at the top rather than the bottom, where it would be much less distracting.
Sadly this is difficult to fix since it would require the same thing bezels at the hinges as everywhere else.
Don't diss the TrackPoint. It still provides valuable functionality that a touchpad can not replace
People who don't know about trackpoint scrolling have no idea what they're missing out on. It's so good I basically have to have it
Parts of the design for the TrackPoint/Nipple/Nub/*censored variations* is for field work when you're using something (gloves, etc.) over your hands and the trackpad cannot read your finger inputs. This goes DOUBLE for the touchscreen if it's resistive and not capacitive touch. There are a lot of examples (shops, construction, perhaps hospitals, etc.) It also doubles for if you have a broken trackpad and the repair is difficult/inaccessible at the time. If you're not carrying a mouse or cannot even access one without a platform for it to track anything, the TrackPoint is a favorable option. Another part of the design is when using a keyboard in productivity and not having to move your hand off when you have a pointing stick with buttons that can act with the same basics as a mouse.
That said, not everybody likes it, but it has purpose and utility and those things are part of ThinkPad design language.
Love the trackpoint and dedicated mouse buttons. I use them all the time and think they're part of the thinkpad DNA. That said, I love my X1 Yoga gen 6, but absolutely hate the keyboard. I don''t mind the reduced key travel, its the increased force now required to press down the keys that makes typing on it a chore.
hmm good to know.. I hate keyboards that need a lot of force to actuate the keys.
Since you asked about who uses tent mode. I am using my Yoga notebook with the keyboard folded back nearly every day: I put the Yoga on a stand to elevate the monitor and connect my mechanical keyboard and BT mouse, so it becomes sort of a portable desktop replacement. On the other hand, I didn't use it as a tablet a single time in 3 years.
The last lenovo I even had in my life was the X1 yoga 3rd gen. This is a business series for which they offer 3 years warranty. But over the 3 years I had to replace motherboard 3 times, because 2 times in a row they replaced it with a faulty motherboard. 1st replacement had one the two 8GB ram chips failed (soldered) and the 2nd replacement had video output failed. Lenovo clearly doesn't have any quality control in their warranty department. The sad part of the story is when they replaced the MB 3rd time, it was finally in a working condition, but they managed to break the keyboard retraction mechanism (X1 3rd gen had that) and since the warranty ended few days after, they denied any responsobility and offered me a paid service - to fix what they broke.
Tough hill to choose to die on. The track point is part of the ThinkPad's DNA and we all love it!
I have a lenovo from the yoga line from last year. The brushed finish on the sides looks nice, but it scratches everywhere. The ports get the most scratches as when trying to charge it or plug something in there is no way to do it without the type-c touching the sides of the port first. And it only takes type c to touch brushed metal for it to scratch it. You have to be very, very careful when connecting things because otherwise it will scratch. I would have liked to know this before buying it.
The trackpoint is the essence of the Thinkpad and the reason why people love it.
Is Lenovo gets rid of the keyboard tactility and the trackpoint, and they're basically competing with every other generic laptop brand and there's no reason to use it over say an Asus which will just have better specs for the buck
For just watching content I use tent mode quite often actually. The laptop takes up a lot less desk space while in tent mode, which is great when you're doing something else.
I also use tent mode for gaming with a controller occasionally because it makes the laptop run more quietly and keeps it slightly cooler.
However my new Flow X13 has some issues where it occasionally just won't rotate the screen unless I restart it. Therefore I use tent mode less than I usually would right now.
A regular ThinkPad user would take those 3 click buttons over a larger trackpad any day! They're important for us
i use the track point, i'd be so sad if they got rid of it
you know Matt? let's get something out of the way. I get it, you don't like the trackpoint, but some people who are more productive interacting with the computer with just the keyboard (especially programmers) just like to use trackpoint much better than a trackpad. Honestly, if I use the trackpad too often, sometimes my wrists hurt and that could lead to carpal tunnel. If the nipple disrupts your typing experience, then yeah it's a fair argument.
The TrackPoint is important for me - while typing I always prefer to use the "nipple" in order not to take my hands away from the keyboard. So its a matter of personal reference. Comes handy also on economy seats in lowcost airlines
Wow, just NO. The Trackpoint is STILL way more accurate than any touchpad ever can be ^^ The mouse pointing is so much faster and convenient with it! Also that you don't have to move the hand away from the keyboard while moving the cursor over the screen. Also scrolling with the middlebutton is so more satisfying and using real mouse buttons.
But I don't enjoy that indecisive flat buttons very much aswell. Either going full travel buttons or none.
Satisfying yes. More accurate no way
As much as I love the nipple trackpad is way more accurate. But the should get rid of the buttons on top of the touchpad and go full haptic feedback style.
@@MatthewMoniz Wow, I can navigate way more precisely with the nipple, pixel-wise and that much faster. Even apples trackpad is no match. I can only imagine a person saying that is not taking the time getting used to it. I even often use it on a desktop-setup over the mouse
@@MatthewMoniz It takes time getting used to it! Once you are you become fasten and more precise!
when did it released?! is it good for 2023? can can it last for around 4 years from now?
and is it good for penetration testing and prgoramming?
1:41 wtf🤣🤣
Tent mode comment: I would use it when/ if gaming, the cooling is so much better that way.
Also I would use it if in tent mode the linux had better support. Linux and pen is terrible on convertible devices. I wish it was better so that people could use it more flexibly.
No way this guy just specified Kevin's pronouns in a video
The key benefit of the Trackpoint is that your hand does not have to bend back like with the touchpad. Does the touchpad have some functions (gestures, etc.) that are useful? Sure. But for basic point and click, hold and drag, etc. the Trackpoint is way more comfortable and convenient because the hand stays right on the keyboard.
I use mine in tent mode when at work at my desk. It’s on a laptop riser with two monitors on either side and all three screens are at eye-level. I use an external keyboard and mouse. All are connected to a Thinkpad dock.
The nipple is faster than the trackpad and requires less fishing and hand gestures to operate, reducing user fatigue by allowing the palm of the hand to rest on the trackpad.
Tx for the review
Well, I'll throw in my 2 cents. I purchsed the 7th gen 2 days after release date...options were limited. It came with 1270p, FHD monitor, 16GB, and the standard FHD cam(no IR). Lenovo build out options are volatile to say the lease. One day, you will notice all pcs available for "immediate ship" limited to 1250 to 1260p processors. No OLED, no LTE capacity, etc. I built mine out only to be informed that the ETA was 4plus months...erghh. So I went with the 1270p that was there one day, gone the next. Long short- I was very disappointed. First off, the rep told me all of the ThinkPad's came with an IR cam, not true as mine didnt. For this kind of money, yes, I want to take adavantage of Windows Hello- Face Recognition, and the Glance security software that is ahead of the curve. Coming from the C940 consumer model, the chassis was clearly cut from a much more durable cloth, but that's where it ended. I don't know if my machine was to hot off the press still infested with minor bugs and what not, but the core temps were hitting 100 even after I updated BIOS, hardware, wind 11, etc. with the kicker being that I was only running 1 chrome window. WTF! The fans were humming away 24/7, The benchmarks were the same as my c940 and I could fry an egg on the underside of the chassis. I was bummed. I jumped onto Lenovo's website and noticed a complete 1 off, which I've still yet to see to this day. "In stock"- x1 7th gen w/ 1280p VPRO(big difference), OLED, FHD and IR cams, 32GB Ram, 1TB SSD, LTE compatible, all bells and whistles. I pulled the trigger and let me say, I couldnt be happier. First off I didn't want the OLED version because the battery trade off isnt worth it to me, but guess what...I'm getting amazing battery life, roughly 6-7hrs, 75% BRIGHTNESS, The fans might kick on for a couple minutes every couple hours while Im running adobe, 10 plus chome windows open, amazon music, youtube, file editing...you name it. The benchmarks are up roughly 30 percent and I've yet to see a core temp above 70! The IR can works like a charm for face recognition, and if youre not familiar with "Glance", it's impressive for the security paranoid..lol. I know if someone is standing behind me 15ft back, the screen blurs right away if that someone comes withing 4 ft, I use 3 external monitors and the cursor follows my eyes/head like a charm to the monitor Im facing..much more. 32GB defenitly speeds things up for Chrome users, since by defalut...it runs over 8gb, and who wouldve guessed I would have an OLED monitor with better battery longevity than my C940 FHD. Long short-- If you can manage to get the top model w/extended warranty($2700), it's worth it. Tech support is second to none. No getting put on hold like the dreadful consumer series support(rather eat a bullet than speak to them), and I can't find one complaint(I like to complain). BTW...in response to tent mode, I use it all the time when I lay down under the comforter and watch movies. Laying the pc on a blanket starves the fans causing excessive temps. Tent mode lets your machine breathe, kind of like stuffing a sock in your mouth or not. I'll be posting a review here as soon as I have a chance. REGARDING THE NIPPLE, THE ONLY ONES I ENJOY ARE ON MY GIRLFREINDS CHEST! Sorry, the is nothing advantageous about the that red rubber waste of space. When I'm really bored, I'll play games with it, like how long does it take to hover over the one drive icon to the start menu, and finally a point on the screen. The epitome of unproductive...lol.
Hi, Im looking at picking up a X1 Yoga Gen 7 (the gen 8 just came out but cant change to it, ugh). What were the full specs of your machine (your current one)? Ive seen a lot of bad reviews regarding the OLED battery life and thermals being sky high, but I wonder what it is like now after almost a year and Id presume BIOS and firmware updates. Are you running Win11 or Win10?
The laptop specs Im looking at is 32GB RAM, OLED, and 1265U (which should consume less power for day-to-day tasks Id think)
Hey just wondering if u face any problems regarding heat issues? Thanks in advance
No trackpoint, no Thinkpad for me. If they get rid of it then there is no reason for me to stay with a Thinpad.
100%
I’m really not liking how OEMS are not designing good cooling for Alder Lake P. It has potential, but it needs to be better cooled than what we have been seeing thus far
Or, maybe just make an efficient apu that won’t produce so much heat, consume less energy and still give similar if not slightly less performance. Because I’d prefer that over an inefficient power hungry processor. What are your thoughts on it?
@@ashimdahal182 actually it isn’t so much that ADL is inefficient per se, it’s just that Intel tuned it too aggressively for performance and way past its sweet spot (4 GHz for P cores and 3.1 GHz for E cores) and particularly applicable to the P-Series.
Also it doesn’t help that most P designs are just overstretched U-designs from last year. TGL-H35 designs should fare a lot better in that regard.
@@victordanielhernandezarzola yeah this is what I was getting at. OEMs should have redesigned the chassis for this, or simply used ALD-U chips instead of P chips.
Lenovo and HP offer most ultrabooks in BOTH Intel U and P series. You have that choice with these 2 OEMs unlike others.
So far the only issue with 28W P-series (which is in reality 30-65W) seems to be poor battery life.
Opt for the 1280p, it's apples and oranges compared to the others. No throttling...cool as winter.
2100 for Integrated graphics, a small track pad, and a full HD ips panel? Passsssssssssss
You're so wrong about the nipple. If you actually use these for work, being able to use the mouse without pulling off of the keyboard is a gamechanger.
What they should do is like on the ThinkPad Z series. Leave the nipple in but make the touchpad haptic entirely so you can effectively click on the top of the touchpad as if you still had the physical clickers. Best of both worlds to have everything there and not sacrifice crucial touchpad height.
Lenovo tried that with the T440, T540 and X240 and it was a disaster whch they had to reverse with the next series. Let's hope the newer haptic approach is a little better.
The trackpoint is the core reason why I keep buying Lenovo laptops. I have tried many times and can never get used to the track pad. I don't think I am alone.
Hi! Great vid! TWO QUESTIONS: 1. You mentioned rounded corners but then said the edges are sharp. I have a Yoga 7-14ITL5, and the edges are SO sharp, I've had to place gaffers tape on them, b/c they were cutting into my hands (I'm on my PC pretty much all day and night). Is THIS model better on that front? Lenovo and I are trying to work out a deal, and this is one of the models they said I should consider. 2. Maybe it's just the vide, but the keyboard looks about an inch or so more COMPACT than my current model. Would you mind terribly telling me the base and keyboard width? (The whole unit looks more square, but, again, this could be just a result of looking at it via a single dimensional video.) THANK YOU!
I use tent mode in my small kitchen to watch content when I’m cooking. It takes up less counter space.
I love the nipple! Have been using the x1 yoga for a couple of years now along with the macbook pro. As much of improvement the windows trackpad has gone through it still is not as fluid as macs.
The trackpad works as it should in the yoga but at times it stutters, super irritating during the flow of work.
But the nipple never stutters, solid and fluid!
are you kidding the nipple keeps the hand correctly in place over the keyboard which is a huge timer saver been using it forever. would rather use a mouse than a touchpad.
Did someone already try installing Linux on this machine? Would like to run it with dual Windows/Linux installation.
I have the Gen 6 and everything works perfectly out of the box. They have a model that is Linux Certified and the hardware is the same so I assume the Gen 7 will also be good.
@@samirahmed4869 Thank you, that is good news. Ordered my Machines without OS, might just install Linux.
not sure what this guy is on. professionals purchase thinkpads specifically because of the trackpoint.
Strange... The first thing I do on my Thinkpad is /usr/bin/synclient TouchpadOff=1
I mostly use my Yoga 7i in tent mode. I work from home and its on my desk behind an ergonomic keyboard, so I dont want the laptop keyboard in the way (I can still find the fingerprint sensor easy enough). When i use it in the kitchen etc for watching shows it means the keyboard isn't out front ready to have liquids spilled in it. It really only gets used in traditional laptop position when I travel with it and need its keyboard.
The thermal sucks. But the yoga instead. Your benchmark score is kinda off. I tested the 9i in R23 with multi core score of 10267
Great review
totally agree with you about the rounded edges, would've been so nice to see that design here. disagree with you about the trackpoint, I still love the nipple, it's nice not having to slide your hands down to the trackpad when moving the cursor. I wish lenovo also had an amd version, waiting on more laptops using the amd 6000 series cpus
I think the nipple is a bad take and not even sure how it takes space away from the trackpad. I think you’re grabbing at straws for this one. It seemed like the only con about the nipple is that it takes up space, is old and isn’t accurate. But if it doesn’t take up space, and the other reasons don’t seem valid. Then there doesn’t seem like a real reason not to have it if people still use it.
Tent mode allows me to watch anything without worrying about overheating - the fans are airing out
Great review Matt! Thank you. I'm replacing my current Thinkpad (old generation) which currently has a docking station. I'd like to try this new Yoga version however, I want to keep my dual screens and external key board which are all connected via a docking station on my desk at home. Can this Yoga connect to that type of configuration? Most of my work is done in this type of setup but I'd like to try the portability of this version as well for when I travel or am "detached" from my desk. Thanks for the feedback!
What docking station and what ThinkPad were you using.
@@ashutoshjha9147 I currently use the Lenovo X260. It fits into a Thinkpad ProDock, Type 40A. Like I said, it's an older style. I'm assuming I can use peripherals (external monitors, keyboard) via USB connections. The Yoga is on order, so we'll see what I can get with it. Assuming there are connections that will work.
@@frankbarresi3480 you might want to invest in newer type c dock.
Help me guys
Dell latitude 7480 i7 16gb
or this one...
what shoud i buy????
This one should have came with AMD 6000U
The "Nipple" is used for the situation where u are mobile inthe rough road or bumpy road , you would be able to precicely aim your cursor. So do thr click button. I believe that's the real function for both nipple and click button
Those edges ARE sharp!! Thinking of returning it just for that reason. Really uncomfortable when typing/resting my palm on the laptop. Touchpad isn't accurate either. Maybe it's just my unit but it's annoying and mouse point jumps around. Battery life isn't great either. About 5-6 of use under balanced settings
I'll never understand what differentiates a business laptop from a consumer laptop. Nice review.
Business has better keyboard and the build quality is better,and if something goes wrong you have same day or next day home service
Better overall quality, security and other features like vPro with usually lower performance.
@@809castro Thank you very much for your response Emmanuel!
@@tvthecat Thank you very much TV.
The warranties are a little more business/client-friendly, tailored to the experience of needing an on-site technician that can actually bring replaceable repair units or something like having drive protection, warranty extensions, etc. They allow you to match your situational needs with their providing options because you bought your hardware from them and they understand that having a business line gives more expandability to people who really need it. There is a big section of the working class that participates in the type of activity that's on-the-go travel, needing to go through tens to hundreds of flights, hotels, cabs, coffee shops, etc. Understanding that these people would feel better about having a company behind them in the cases of emergency is important.
The build quality is typically higher, more concentrated on "what if something breaks?" situations that may need to invoke warranty in the first place if you cannot fix the unit. The metals, plastics, carbon pieces are all pretty honed in. Even coming down to sturdier hinges, drain holes through the machine so liquids can come out and minimally damage the motherboard, sometimes having the modularity of DIY repair with the customer doing the job for themselves instead of needing to call the company, etc. They will provide hardware maintenance manuals for some companies like Lenovo so you have a solid chance of being able to perform a repair for yourself.
Like others said, technologies like vPro and beefed up security features across the layers of the laptop (motherboard firmware, chip-level securities, etc.) are usually not all available in consumer laptops. They often build software apps for the devices as well that are very direct in terms of updating security more in terms of chip microcode, management engine, board firmware, whatever securities they have available in the device (which they know how to identify very well) will probably see updates through that software or through the website once you put in a serial code.
They're very no-BS in terms of design language. Simplicity is lot better than complexity in business-class. Hardly any RGB, being familiar with your designs day in and day out, not many color schemes, just straight and to the point... boringness that clients demand. It seems a little weird that they want that, but it's to eliminate extra hurdles and needing to take time to learn more stuff every year opposed to something that *just works* when you have it.
Sorry for long comment I have a lot of experience with these
Tent mode with a keyboard and mouse (on a hard pad) is a must on a bed
Hello Matthew, please I'm looking for an excellent programming laptop for my daughter.
What would you recommend?
Thanks
M1 air.
Very much personal preference, but as a long standing CAD/ graphics user I have to disagree about thue nipple thing- I hate trackpads & mice- if you want to throw a cursor across four widely spaced corners these feel very very cluncky. Granted trackpads are good for zoom controls. but I fear the day when (after many years) reviewers like you persuade Lenovo to take away my nipple, forcing me to keep the same old ThinkPads until they fall apart.
Boss, how is the feeling when writing on it,is it feel like writing on glass or feel like writing on paper?
bit expensive, also, tablet mode is not good to use with Windows. I'd rather go for the regular X1 carbon.
Please dont kill the nipple Lenovo. To me, as someone who works a lot with terminals, eliminating the need to take my hands of the keyboard is borderline priceless.
Yes, touchpads are more accurate, but its kinda the same deal as with vi(m) and its super unintuitive keybinds.
You can just rest your hands in a comfy typing position, without reaching for function keys or the likes.
I agree however that the dedicated keys could be a whole lot smaller, in favor of a larger touchpad.
Please do the X1 carbon
The nipple takes time to master, but once you do, it's significantly better than any trackpad
The TrackPoint is great for when you are crammed into a train and there is not much room to use the touchpad and it is too shaky to reliably touch on the screen.
Great review as always
I use my x1 yoga gen7 for video editing and gaming with an egpu (rx6600xt) connected via thunderbolt. It is definitely more than just a corporate office computer. Sure I could have gone with the P14s but the build quality on that model is just not there the trackpad is made of mylar and not responsive, the entire body is plastic, the speakers are like an FM radio. Also, as a Linux user the X1 yoga is most compatible compared to any other laptop in the lineup it even has a factory config option to ship with Linux.
Also forgot to mention playing touch screen chess in tablet mode is awesome
Hi, how good is its battery life? I’m consdering getting it as a CS major.
bruh that nipple talk got me i didn't know it was called nipple LMAO
Will you be getting your hands on the asus flow x16?
at some point yes
tent mode would be helpful if you have an external that you prefer to use over the laptop keyboard
Please, do not mention trackpoint every again, trackpoint is the best invention in human history.
Laptop or 180* mode, only when I'm drawing I use the 360.
Tent mode is for Tent people
Is this good for adobe app, such as photoshop, illustration, premiere?
How is the keyboard compared to x1 Carbon?
trying to decide between the gen8 x1 yoga and the yoga 9i... it's for hardcore business travel... boardroom duty
Have you ever tried using a notebook with gloves or have you ever tried to use it while standing? That’s what the nipple is for! Not for sitting at home 😂
So the argument from the nipple lovers is the efficiency/economy of movement of not having to move your hands from the keyboard to navigate.
I legitimately overheard this conversation from BCG consultants, who took this way too seriously. But it's an argument and why they love it
Sorry the nipple is still a heavily requested interface corporately world wide. As the new generation of workings come into the work place... There will be less demand, but we are not there yet.
i love tent mode use it sometime but on a table thats small i dont and when in bath i have it inverted
Wouldn't 4K be overkill for 14"?
LOL!! I haven't seen anyone use tent mode yet!!
I use a tent mode in bed where i can put it just in front of my face and get a "Cinematic" experience xD
If you are presenting to a small number of people the tent mode is very usefull
No way, the business laptop needs a swappable battery.
This is no longer the ThinkPad any more!
Unless they put back the hot-swappable battery into the laptop.
I disagree on the nipple. It's selling point is not accuracy, it's ability to move from mouse to typing without moving your hand. I love the nipple.
Is it suitable for coding?
Completely agree with nipple and mouse buttons. Lenovo makes great devices but they need to think this over again. Also, I know ThinkPad logo is what it is, but anyone with any design experience will be bothered as hell with its 45 degree tilt. It is just not visually pleasing thing to see any more.
i want one but like most one cannot afford one 😂
Trackpoint is still there for field people who needs to wear gloves
That nipples reference.. I can't 😂
I do use the tent mode to get documents signed by clients
The „nippel“ will never move from its place hopefully. Never! 😌
Price???
Looks and feels great. Unfortunately runs very hot. So hot I'm returning mine after 2 weeks. Can only run it in low power mode and anything more than web browsing makes it kick off. I think Lenovo dropped the ball on these p series processors.
this or macbook pro 14?
I use tent mode when I want to put laptop on narrow surfaces.
Hi, ummm MacBook air m1 still worth to buy in 2022??
Yeah, it’s still good to buy, especially if you use the education discount
1:42 I can't figure out if you're trolling or actually serious
clearly the video wasn't for me.
where is your microphone?
The sound sometimes fades to very low.
or is it my device that has a problem
I never want a Red Nub again... always distracted my typing.
Great review. But I’m hoping the new AMD 6000 series mobile cpus become options for this very impressive and capable business laptop.
AMD is not coming to the X1 series
Disagree. Touching nipples never gets old. There will always be a need to touch nipples.
When you lie in bed and you watch content, you wanna put it in tent mode for two obvious reasons: 1.) the screen is close to your face 2.) the ventilation grill is not obstructed
It costs 365$ three hundred sxty five dollars here
There should be a Black yog laptop