With most consumer laptops being sold at stores with 1 year warranty, it seems that many of them are designed to fail not far outside that warranty period.
@@SalemTechsperts So… maybe it’s not a design “flaw” from the perspective of Lenovo, it’s a design feature. The material is carefully selected to last a little more than a year’s worth of button presses so that Lenovo incurs few warranty claims and the consumers still need to buy new laptops frequently.
@@DavidLee-cr4xvOne problem with that tinfoil hat theory - EVERYONE uses their laptops a different amount. Some people are on their laptops a few minutes a day, a few hours a day, half the day. Some people use their laptop every day, several times a week, once or twice a week, a few times a month. The number of key or button presses one laptop gets in one year could be 20x as much as the same model from a different owner, so this could easily backfire with tons of heavy-duty users claiming the warranty for a repair that could cost the company producing it a big chunk of money. Perhaps a more rational explanation is that laptops are coming in right after warranty expires is because that’s when they’re no longer sending them in to a place that covers them under warranty. You break your laptop less than a year in, you claim the warranty. You break it a LOT past when the warranty ends, you just buy a new one because the newest model will be better value for money than a repair. So of course most of the repairs that third-party repair shops see are ones that are a little past their warranty. I’ve got a 2019 midrange (~$600) Dell laptop that saw super heavy use for the first two years I had it, about 4-5 hours of use nearly every day. Now it sees a few hours of use a month for the time being, just haven’t needed it a lot lately, but it works just as well today as it did in 2019. Both of my closest friends’ college laptops have held up perfectly fine as well. If it was a common thing for laptops to break right after warranty ended, surely one of us would have needed a repair in the first FOUR years?
It works as intended: their intention is to get you to go to their official stores/retail vendors to get it fixed. They will ship it to Lenovo, which will gladly fix it... for a fee, of course.
Planned obsolescence, obviously :^) the most important component was intentionally made weak and fragile so that you have to buy another one in 2 years
@@iloveanimemidriff Exactly. Most people won't bother to DIY a solution to this issue, and will either take it to official shops or buy a new one altogether, as you mentioned.
Knowing Lenovo it will take a week for them to claim their system was down. Then a week for them to say they could not identify the issue. Then two weeks to do the fix. They will replace the wrong switch and not check if to problem is fixed. You'll have to send it back and wait another week for the fix and a week to ship it back to you. No wait... that's thinkpad support! The consumer-range service is probably a lot worse.
Had yogas as a school laptop years ago, students figured out that they could detach the entire screen by sticking their thumbs between the bottom of the screen and the keyboard.
So sad to see this happen to a company like Lenovo, yes their reputation is borrowed from IBM when they bought their hardware division but still they held the line for a long time and earned their own rep in their own right by keeping the ThinkPad a ThinkPad as long as they could, so sad to see another company destroyed by their own accounting department.
my thinkpad yoga doesn't rely on this mechanism, it has a separate pcb just to house the on/off switch which is connected to the mobo through a ribbon connector. i understand that thinkpads are still designed in japan by the original thinkpad team since ibm times, but the other sub-brands like ideapad etc is designed in china and perhaps that's how this came to be.
@@namele55777 I have an IBM ThinkPad from 2011, and a Lenovo ThinkPad from 2014. Both runs, but the older one is in better condition albeit terribly under powered. I've used a newer ThinkPad (2020) from work, it wasn't the same kind of reliable as my 2014 ThinkPad when it was new. My next purchase will of course be a Framework
honestly though, Lenovo DID end up slowly taking away features from the thinkpads. I have access to an original IBM thinkpad T40, which compared to a Lenovo thinkpad t410 which wasn't made too much later, but loses many of the quality of life features of the t40, while also having an overall lower quality build. This trend has been going on for a very long time, today, thinkpads have become glorified macbooks, with soldered components and extremely thin form factors with poopoo battery life and extreme prices, except unlike the macbooks which make up for the small batteries with efficient homegrown processors, lenovo further reduces their devices effectiveness by adding design flaws to make their devices fail faster.
@@heroninja1125Give the P16 credit where credit is due. That thing is an absolute hoss of a ThinkPad and is currently one of the largest high performance laptops sold.
As an hardware/firmware engineer myself, I'm 100% certain that someone in Lenovo's engineering team, warned about that button being an issue. But as it usually goes, management with all their wisdom, decided to ignore all of it! That's why I've bought myself a framework laptop. Still have to see how long it will last, but I've the feeling set company respects and listens to their engineers rather than their sales department.
Came to say basically the same thing. I work in Design and the amount of shitty decisions that come from someone higher up with an ego not listening to people with years' experience is staggering. 100% this will have been flagged by an engineer or designer and it'll have been ignored. I too have a framework and it's been phenomenal so far. I too am interested RE the longevity of it but everything I've seen so far has been encouraging. I've heard people say the 13 is expensive but given someone would pay $1200 for a piece of shit Lenovo, I don't think it is considering the Ryzen versions performance and the repairability etc.
@@willm5032 Well, $1500 for a framework with integrated graphics may sound much. I do however expect it to last at least 10 years, with another $500 upgrade and repair costs over time. That's about $2000 spend on a laptop, during one decade. Or an average of $200 each year. Those who claim it's to expensive, spend $850 on a plastic machine that needs replacement every 3 ish years. Meaning they spend $2830 on laptops, during one decade. Or an average of $283 each year. So they actually spend more money on multiple machines, that are less reliable and impossible to service themselves. I rather go for the long term and reliable solution :-) ... As a Linux user, I'm also hoping framework releases an ARM main-board version in the near future, with some incredible battery duration. It's just a board-swap away to upgrade... It's sad however, to see how many people don't believe a computer can last more than a decade. My previous desktop lasted from december 2008, till may 2022. Spend about $2500 total on it, in order to buy and maintain it for more than 13 years. It's now repurposed as a backup nas at my parents house, auto-booting daily at 5 PM to sync my families most important data with the main-NAS at my house. So it's technically still going after 15+ years...
Tbf Salem also speaks out of his ass. You can just solve the problem in software, wake on keyboard press is an easy thing to do in BIOS. No need to drill holes.
@@Muaddibize Depends if the BIOS actually supports such feature. I've seen OEM BIOS configuration screens, with less customization options than an early 90's TV remote... I woud suspect most devices only supporting wake from sleep on keyboard press, not wake from shutdown.
Lenovo is somehow ahead of everybody in the "make laptops as brittle as possible" game. Last time I put some real effort in a pretty thorough overhaul of a Lenovo, backing up all the broken plastic with aluminum planks. Only to realize, just at the end of the project, that now the display is gone - although I sure as heck didn't apply any abnormal stress on it. These guys are just one step ahead in the game. They apparently LOOK FOR the worst materials and designs to put in a laptop.
Can't comment on that, haven't played with modern ThinkPads. Older ones from ~2012 are quite decent. But hey, just how many people got burnt for assuming that all Lenovo's are Thinkpad quality...
my lenovo legion survived being thrown off a bike while in my bag with just fan bearings being thrown off a bit, it survived multiple falls and there still isnt a single crack on the display, only like one tiny piece of plastic broke off and a few scratches on the casing, nothing unfixable, it was also an amazing buy for the price (1300 euros for a 3060 and a 5600h, amazing deal for a laptop in the EU. now that acer nitro 5 i bought before it died within the return time (2 weeks) xD
I've had several of these Yogas come into my office. Never once has a client approved a repair on them because of either broken hinges, or the worthless power button. Parts are unobtanium and the few motherboards that are out there cost more than the laptop is worth. Every single one of these Yogas, I end up just recovering data and transferring to a new laptop. Whenever I have a client that wants to buy one for themselves or their employee(s), I tell them "NO! Do not buy a Yoga. Spend more and get something better. You'll thank me later".
@@BakrAli10 depends on what a person needs a laptop for tbh. Laptops are kinda like cars- there are so many different reasons people need them, and a recommendation can't really be given without uncovering how it's going to be used. (somebody doing design work, AI work, games, will have different needs than somebody that's gonna keep it in their home all day for UA-cam etc.)
@@BakrAli10 Well, that depends. What is needed from the laptop? That's like asking "What car do you recommend?". There are many factors that could change the recommendations. Making a blanket recommendation doesn't offer much help.
These Yogas were what got me into hardware repair. I had a 2016 hand-me-down from my mom. Got two more duds for parts. Two Hard drive failures, ram failures, four broken motherboards, power switches, keyboards, backlights, everything that could break did in the less than 3 years I was using it. They broke so often that i cobbled a backup laptop together so i had a working one when the other inevitably broke. For a laptop that cost $1200 new it's inexcusable, especially considering how resilient their older thinkpads are.
Can I ask if it is pricey to buy the required tools for repair? It may not be related but mobile phones are brittle too, they all died on me within the 3 year range. I'm very annoyed. They all have a motherboard issue, and some of my data which i wasn't able to backup couldn't be retrieved...🥲
@@OdyLoveMusic Not really, the only tools you really need is a good screwdriver (pack of different ones or one with replaceable blades, preferably magnetic), tweezers, some sort of working soldering iron (even cheap chinesium will do, but you dont need it that often) and racoon fingers. The only two more things you need is source of replacement part (amazon) and knowledge of what you need to do (internet/YT guides).
You should consider publishing videos about the laptops / desktops that are (in your experience) built to last, with some explanation as to why. I'd be interested at any rate.
Same here. Now I know that I should rather not get a Lenovo Yoga if I want it to last for a long time, but I don't know/don't have any advice on which ones I should consider instead.
Just a question, but could you replace the whole power switch thing with a simple sideways mounted push button? Does the power button do anything special other than closing the circuit? Because if it could be replaced this is just planned obsolescence at its finest. Well done lenovo! Its weird how even some of their cheaper end stuff can last a good while, but this 1200$ thing breaks in just a few years.
Yes it can definitely be replaced with a side mounted switch, but my customer had such a grudge against this machine they told me to trash it. I ended up simply bypassing the plastic switch and popping a hole in the top case to turn it on manually. Now it's a loaner laptop for my customers.
Lenovo is a design flaw master. Our company bought lenovo ideapad 340s laptops as work computers. And after 3 years they started to break one by one. Turned out Lenovo had two modifications of these laptops: with HDD and without. And since both modifications are identical inside they filled the HDD place with "HDD dummy" metal thing which was also attached to laptop with 4 screws. And these screws were attached loosely since holes in dummy HDD are slightly bigger than in real HDD. Now you can guess: after 3 years of shaking, transporting and flipping all screws start to pop out one by one and some of them caused short circuits and permanently damaged some motherboards. After I figure it out, I started a massive fix: I just... Removed them all, there is no need in dummy at all! Maybe it supposed to be some sort of additional hardness but it is so slight. And obviously if your thing causes expensive damage - it should not be there.
This is sad to see, I have a 6 year old yoga it survived 4 years of college (2 mile bike rides in the rain and snow, getting hit by a car, dropped multiple times, and constant use) and is honestly still running great. I am not sure if this is just newer yogas that are going to crap, or if I just got lucky. Either way I am sad to see that not everyone has had the same experience as me.
Damn that's tough.. not just the machine but your life obstacles kinda like what I've experienced on a 3rd world (except snow part obviously). Soo.. let's hope by now you already gotten yourself a 4wheeler by now..
I'm glad to see there was a design flaw with the hinges of Lenovo Yogas! I had a Yoga 3 14 (or something of that sort) and it was a nice, well-rounded laptop...except the hinges kept falling apart every 6 months!! I tried getting it fixed 5-6 times, swear I spent more on fixing that laptop than I did buying it, and eventually a random day 6 years later it was running in the morning and I went for a walk, came back and it was completely fried.
Replacing that button is easy with basic soldering skills. I have done it a lot. I also found and have purchased 200 of those push buttons. To me it seems like a bit of a waste to not be able to do such a simple repair and keep the laptop in the wild. But I am a soldering expert and not a lot of repair techs do that.
Hi there. I´m a IT from Argentina (South américa). We are 3 partners at the store. It´s a total pleasure to watch your videos, not only due to the learning... main reason is when costumers (bastards) come in your store.... WOVw man. your gestures says all !!!!. you are a master of the universe. We suffer the same. two thumbs up
Thank's for bringing that up. I have a Lenovo Laptop myself and barely ever using the powerbutton due to it turning on (not only exiting sleep mode but a real boot) when you open the lid. Now I know to be extra careful IF I need to press it for whatever reason. BTW. the other day I had to fix the start button on my washing mashine. same exact problem. A cheap plastig thingy that breaks when you look at it the wrong way. The only good thing was that it was an easy to replace part
The 1st yoga is still the best laptop I ever had, even it was relatively heavy, it was the best one to be used in the various 360 degrees uses and on the go, all credits due to the rubber band around it, that thing alone made a big difference
The 1st gen yoga was quite expensive for 2012 especially for what specs it had. The materials surrounding the motherboard are the best I’ve ever had on a laptop. It’s currently my typing laptop because of how good the keyboard area is.
When the power button broke after a year and a half of use on my first notebook, a Lenovo, I took it back to the shop. They patiently explained that I must have pressed too hard on the button and that since it was intentional, the warranty would not stand. Later, I financed a higher end Lenovo Yoga and bought a four year warranty (the longest warranty possible) just in case anything went wrong. Four years and six months later, the power button works great; the hinge, not so much. Thank you for sharing this information. It brightens my week to know there is hope for me yet with technology.
I work at Geek Squad, and honestly I don't recall seeing a lot of yogas breaking due to the power switch. I can remember a couple Dells and an HP, but no Lenovos. Granted, maybe this is just because people aren't come to us with broken Lenovo laptops. But I know on older Lenovos that outer plastic button could be removed in favor of accentuating the tiny switch directly
The first thing I noticed is the button is exposed even when the laptop is closed... it's obviously going to be pressed by accident and potentially damaged in transit too!
I can confirm the hinge issues, dad used a lenovo yoga 2 pro, from the moment it was unboxed to many years later and even warranty replacement, the screen has always had issues and often touchscreen wont work, the orientation of the screen will flip for no reason (gyroscopes are cheaply made and don't work) but his new lenovo yoga 7i also has touchscreen and cheap gyroscope issues, had warranty replacement and still didn't work. Lenovo clearly has terrible quality consumer devices, new thinkpads are average when compared to devices produced by other companies. If you want to spare yourself from the insufferable experience of a lenovo yoga, get an acer spin 3 or acer spin 5. They are built in the same form as the lenovo thinkpad yogas, with a stylus port and stylus docked inside of the device, hinges actually work (better then the yoga thinkpads) and they are a quarter the price of the thinkpads, and half the price of the yogas for the same specs (unless you want one of those shiny expensive 3.2k oled screens).
I had 2 Lenovo ideapads, and both of their bottoms started to come off because of loose screws. One of the laptops started making a clicking sound, and the hinge eventually broke. Shows allot about the build quality on these laptops.
Remember how the power switch on button on the older iphones won’t work when the plastic underneath broke off and makes you replace the ribbon cable to make the button working again?
@@rumble1925 The build quality of Apple products has taken a nosedive too. I don't hate apple, I've owned a MacBook Pro and an iMac myself, but those 2000s to early 2010s MBP's really felt like machines built for professional use. Now they're more akin to a status symbol made to break as easily as the cheaper status symbol. Imagine, on the old models they literally had slots intended for swapping out RAM or hard drives yourself. Not just allowing you to do that, intended for you to do that. Instructed in the manual. The battery you could just click out and swap in seconds without even needing to open the thing up.
That cameraman, at the last, made me laugh! Hats off to such creativity, you guys put to make simple yet funny videos, that don't have a specific term to define.
I find it really hard to believe that you couldn't find a dome switch, it's probably the most commonly used type of switch on the market. Even if you couldn't find the exact size of switch you could have gotten one that was close enough and just epoxied it in place with some magnet wire connecting the terminals.
Hahahahahah. You kinda get it. BUT, The size and shape IS PROPRIETARY OUT OF COMPLEXITY. He clearly does a pretty good job of repairing and is showing you issues with Lenovo yoga.
I dont think its worth it if it is just gonna fail in exactly the same way in less than a month, at that point maybe asking the customer if performing a bit of a hardware modification and using an entirely different type of switch is best.
Conceptually I can see why they wanted a push button on the pcb actuated by a button on the side, it saves on assembly, however it definitely needs some refinement.
would recommend getting a cheap printer with a small build volume, like the Ender 3 v3se or a bambulab A1. I got into printing a bit over a year ago, and it's been immeasurably helpful in my own time fixing things
My last two devices were also Lenovo Yogas, which only lasted 2.5 years each. Weak points in my devices were the power supply socket, hinges and fans. Now I have a Macbook Air M2 (without fan and Magsafe) which hopefully will last longer.
All modern Laptops are trash. MacBooks have that m2 chip paired with onboard ssd which can’t be replaced. It’s not an NVME. Even if you try to solder a nand flash chip with higher capacity it won’t boot. Acer Asus Lenovo dells all are e-waste. My Asus stopped working in 3 years. Bought an Acer and guess what? Only the half part of cpu had thermal paste on it.
@@rohitk8797 oddly enough even though acer does weird things like that, of all the laptops in my house, the only ones that have consistently worked over the years were acer laptops, typically they have certain cuts like that and have always been subpar when it comes to cooling, but they are reliable and cheaper. Now a modern laptop that is actually pretty good, consider looking at the framework 13, and the framework 16 that is coming out, upgradeable and modular just like a desktop, with the 16 (16 inch version) having support for a removable/upgradeable gpu. It is really the future of laptops.
You need to build a proper tower PC with swappable parts to be free. Framework laptop if you need a laptop and a FairPhone instead of other popular brands
@@rohitk8797 thats the reason prebuilts are shit they take advantage of people not knwoing about tech and sell them garbage that is nice to use but breaks after like 3 years even tho it cost more than 1k originally just so they buy more gone are the days companies would do thier best to make great products now they make great marketing and thats it.
@@spicynoodle7419 yep. Recently made a Ryzen 5600G PC for basic computing (Back up for my wedding photography data, printing,etc). For gaming I have PS4..
I have second-hand Yoga X1 gen 4. I had a problem with the motherboard, but it was replaced during the warranty period. I do not use the power button because I use hibernation mode after the lid goes down. Hinges looks solid in the X1 line. I really like my Yoga and I can recommend it. I get around 10 hours of battery life with light usage.
When you find your laptop model in a video named "huge design flaw": 🗿 Fortunately mine never broke but i handle it better than the way i do (did) with my gf. But still my gf is not mine anymore, and the hinge of the lenovo broke one year ago and i keep putting superglue until it dries, break and then put it again. Because another design flaw is that the hinge on the screen is made of metal, but screwed on a plastic chassis so if the metal separates from plastic because you open it 1500-2000 times in 3-4 years when you use it for work, there's no way to put them back together, except by glueing, breaking and repeat, like me and my gf.
this happened to me with with a Lenovo IdeaPad, the hinge had loose screws after putting pressure on the laptop Plastic for so long, I opened it and tightened the screws on the hinges and it EXPLODED and the entire plastic bracket holding the hinges broke into a million tiny pieces and now the screen is only attached the rest of the laptop with a wire
All 4 of my HP laptops I’d gotten from 2010 to 2013 suffered major physical failure (3 of them shattered hinges and the one detachable laptop tablet having the keyboard connector go out) Meanwhile my 2008 MacBook SE is still in mint condition as I’ve taken the OS well beyond its final version of 2015’s OSX 10.11 El Capitan and patched it to 2018’s MacOS 10.14 Mojave and now finally 2023’s MacOS 14 Sonoma. It throws ppl for a loop to see the newer OS on a 2008 Mac and to see said Mac still in like-new condition
Ironically my 2011 HP 630, even if in the golden era, never had any problems with the hinges. I dismissed it last month for the hardware incapable to keep up with my needs, but it never had mechanical failures 😅 (And the power switch has a dedicated daughter board, unlike these Lenovos)
Yup, you spend more but they work for a lot longer. I've upgraded quite frequently due to getting them from work so I've had to give macbooks away to friends and family because they work so well and it's a shame to have them lying around.
why did i just find this video today? I suggested my girl to buy Lenovo Yoga 10 month ago and last month the power button broken too. Fortunately it still covered by warranty. Now i feel guilty to her :(
This is one of the most common types of switches used in laptops and tablets, not just Lenovo. I have seen many failures with this switch type across many brands but I suppose it's good enough for the warranty period.
Wow!!! I hadn't realized that issue with my Yoga...its going on 6 years and only replacement was the battery (which I should haven't done.... gone thru 2 Amazon returns).. Its still going strong except for 3 hour battery life of course. Then again I did pay 700 OTD from BestBuy.
I dont smoke crack but Im pretty sure there arent "strains" of it. Perhaps the Coca plants it is derived from, but it is my understanding that they are processed to the point that the particular plant doesnt matter, just the resultant chemicals.
Lenovo’s metal Ideapads have the same power button mechanism regardless of where the power button is placed. At least for me, the Novo button works so I use a SIM Ejector as a power button.
I hace a T460 and a fellow engineer used to have an ideapad, which despite being newer already had cracked and the power button had being replaced with another button welded in being put in place by masking tape.
Hey actually you can find a new power button, its similar, just trim off a plastic tab in the middle. Also, you can 3d print a new button that fixes this too.
Back in uni I worked as student tech support and I remember having a handful of these laptops come in with that exact problem, and I couldn't do anything about it. It really sucked to see
hello, there is a bios setting, so when you open the laptop it turns on, usually you do not have to press the power button, the power button itself is an alternative, and the reset button is the alternative to the alternative : ) you are welcome, you are actually right on all points despite this information, best regards
My old Lenovo X220T ThinkPad has a pretty good power button, and that thing is over a decade old at this point, so Lenovo at least use to know how to make a power button. The palm rest, however, was not that good on the X220T as the area above the express card slot (because this was made back when that was still a thing on laptops) would often crack if you didn't have an express card in there.
The older the Thinkpad, the more of an IBM design it is. I have a new T14 and it is nice so the Thinkpads are still holding up, but if you look up the changes made between each generation it's like they're slowly chipping away at what made Thinkpads good in the first place. Just not all at once so people don't stop buying them.
My sister had a Lenovo yoga this is also a known issue. The touch functionality of the touch screen stopped working about 6 months in and it was not a hardware issue it was some sort of driver issue. Never worked again never came up with any solution dozens of similar complaints online.
You forgot how the Yoga 720 hinges are welded onto the chassis with just a few small spots. I’ve had to replace both hinges on mine and have broken the screen in the process
My Yoga L13 I bought in 2020 is still running strong and well and I have not been the most respectful owner to it. It even survived a dent on the backside of its screen like a champ and I survived the (almost) heart attack that that caused me.
Literally the same mechanism(the power button thingy) was used in the insanely popular Sandisk Sansa Clip+ MP3 player... I loved it because of Rockbox, but I bought like 5 of them over my adolescence because they broke very easily.
Glad to see another brother-in-arms! Sansa Clip and Rockbox were the fucking bomb! I guess I was lucky with that power button, mine never broke, I just stopped using it cause the battery got way too unusable...
@@maldivirdragonwitch Hi there bro :^) Just FYI: you could buy a 3.7v battery in an electronics shop for dirt cheap and change it without too much of a hassle (given you have a soldering kit or can borrow one). I recently got into electronics as a hobby and it's really empowering how many things you can fix easily. IMO it's still worth, the sound quality compared to an average phone is significantly better even on cheap headphones and the clip is supper comfy.
for work i have an Acer Predator Triton and the power button is just on the keyboard on the top right, I haven't had any issues with that, feels intuitive and works
the dumbest part is that it would be easier and cheaper to have a vertically activated power button next to the keyboard, just like you modded it to have
i remember i had a lenovo laptop but the power button was a bit different then the once shown in the video. The laptop used a button needed to be pushed virtually towards the upper part of the laptop (i appoligize for the bad explanation). And the laptop cost us 300 to 500 dollar back than. So its quite sad as the laptop was pretty fast and my stupid young self left the laptop at the store when they told us it couldn't be fixed. TwT
When you started talking about reset hole I knew they implemented it in the same way as power button. I stick with ThinkPad (usually 14) ignoring Yoga.
Lenovo is a big decentralized brands and two of the laptop lines have good engineering Legion 5 Pro (not 7 until recently) Thinkpad Everything else is a lazy excuse
Opel in Europe tried that. Cost them a ton in warranty claims especially on snapped driveshafts and damaged their reputation for quality. Your bean counters cannot order one month to the next that all parts must cost 20% less across the board unless something is sacrificed ...
Nah Apple’s hardware design is relatively good (but not the Magic Mouse that shit is awful) It’s their software design that’s pretty hostile to the consumer
@@skfl2372macs in general are built pretty sturdy. i have a newer intel macbook, which has a pretty stupid fan placement, but the m1 and m2 macbooks are actually good products. macos is a big plus as well
I'm glad I found your video today. I do imaging for state agencies all over Illinois and we just imaged a dozen yogas and carbons and gave them to the state admins to decide if they want to buy millions of dollars of them and replace devices for hundreds of thousands of users across the state. I'm going to bring this up to the bigwigs since the whole design of the device already isn't up to the standards of the abuse our devices go thru in the 4 to 5 years before refreshing. I like the Carbons but damn are they expensive for what 99% of our users need systems for.
Just as my lenovo ideapads 2 year warranty ended, keyboards w key, d key and ; key seemed damaged, like they dont feel rigid, they feel extremely soft and require almost no force to push them down (i used w and d alot but I don't get the rhe ; key). Ill still try to make use of it at least the next 2 years before (or maybe 4) before replacing
I swear, Lenovo has seriously gone down hill in recent years. They used to be good back in the day, and now they're just junk. I don't understand why so many people still swear by them.
I just picked up a Lenovo Ideapad flex 5 that appears to have the same power and "novo" button design. I wonder if this is why the "flip to start" option is enabled by default.
Thank you! I was considering this laptop for my daughter, but you made it clear I'll have to look elsewhere. My other daughter's Lenovo laptop is still working great after 8 years. Sure, I've replaced the HDD with an SSD and I've installed more RAM, but it is working great and I still use it every day (she bought an HP Envy something or other and left her old Lenovo with us when she moved out).
I have Lenovo Yoga 500 (I just don't use it anymore) and its hinge durability is so sh*tty that it broke in just two years. Luckily it did survive whole 8 years of service. Surprisingly, my power button didn't break and I'm glad it didn't because it won't power on with plug-in trick.
Great Video but there have been improvements to the Yoga line. New Yoga 7i 13th Gen Intel turns on when you lift the screen up and you can turn it off by using the Start button thereby not using the power button at all.
I have a desktop PC, but I needed a laptop for university. I chose the Yoga c640 (2019) for two reasons: battery life and the stylus for writing/drawing. After a year and a half, the battery capacity dropped to 32% (discovered thanks to Linux). While I didn't use the pen because it made me nervous, transforming a straight line into a wave. Purchasing a compatible Wacom pen did not solve the problem. So it's the laptop problem. My Surface pro 1 (2013) pen has no battery and worked much better. Not to mention the screen that dances after a month and the fans that for a year (with the latest bios updates) startes at maximum speed and gradually decreased, repeating this cycle every 10 seconds (even when the PC has no applications open on fresh instaled copy of windows). Personally I prefer Windows but (thanks to Lenovo😔) now out of my home i am a Macbook + iPad user.
This is what pusses me off about modern hardware and “tech reviewers”. Hardware Unboxed recently did a Q&A where someone asked them about warranty and rma. And both of them mentioned how they have never dealt with rma before. They change their hardware so often they never have to deal with any of the longevity issues of stuff.
The cynic in me says this is a designed flaw (as opposed to a design flaw) which the company has determined increases sales. They're careful to build it into a mechanical part that can be blamed on a "rough" end-user: button/switch, hinge...
Crack doesn't have 'strains'. Cocaine, whether freebase (crack cocaine) or cocaine hydrochloride (powder cocaine), is a particular chemical extracted from the coca plant. Thus, whatever varietal of coca might be used for extraction, the cocaine is the same - the only difference is purity. For comparison, cannabis has different strains, but THC is THC. You don't have 'strains' of THC.
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Never trusted the non business lineup from Lenovo. If it was not an X,T,A or W series it was not worth buying. . . . . Until they have gone to shit as well. XD
Bought a 1st gen and 3rd gen Yoga X1 used from work, didn't even occur to me that the power button could have this issue. No issues so far, but I guess I'll have to be careful with them
Good old days with laptop wwre fully customisable removable battery easy repair easy to upgrade as everything divided in section, not shitty design. The dell Inspiron 1510 is still running the SSD was sooo easy Ram everything written on motherboard how to fo things
They put the switch on the side in case the user is using the laptop in tablet mode where the keyboard is hidden. Lenovo is not the only manufacturer to do this. Perhaps the other manufacturers have a more robust solution. This issue reminds me of years ago when I had a VCR and this tiny rubber belt drove the mechanism that inserted and rejected the tape. When the belt broke, I literally replaced it with a rubber band--but I kept the case loose because every few weeks I had to put a new rubber band in there.
This isnt even "cheaping out", this is convoluting for convoluting's sake (and increasing points of failure). That dingy little piece is harder to produce than just having the button have a little bump with a tiny spring around it(might not even need the spring), connecting it directly to the mb button. Designed to fail, really
My ThinkPad works well after 5 years, but it did not work from the factory. The Yoga I used to have died twice during warranty; straight to the ewaste bin when warranty expired.
You could use a zip tie, bend it a little in a shape that will cause it work like a spring may need to be super glued in place but it will work without fail for a long time.
Hello I just found your channel and thought it looked like a good source of learned experience. I was wondering if you know about any mechanical faults or deadly flaws with the Dell Inspiron 5625 16" Full HD Laptop (512GB)[Ryzen 7] ? I’m a little new to laptops and have no space for a PC set-up, but whenever I try to look things up online I get either sponsored content or heavily conflicting reviews.
Tere are some decent models of Lenovo laptops, but I do remember getting a ThinkPad 530p (or something like that) and realising they were made to fail. It was stuff all round, but they made the cooling system so badly that it would throttle itself constantly. All other staff had some laptop and nobody likes them. I used to go around changing the thermal paste, upgrading pads and cleaning them out every few months.
With most consumer laptops being sold at stores with 1 year warranty, it seems that many of them are designed to fail not far outside that warranty period.
It's remarkable how many laptops come in my shop just after the warranty period expires.
@@SalemTechsperts So… maybe it’s not a design “flaw” from the perspective of Lenovo, it’s a design feature. The material is carefully selected to last a little more than a year’s worth of button presses so that Lenovo incurs few warranty claims and the consumers still need to buy new laptops frequently.
It's programmed @@DavidLee-cr4xv
@@DavidLee-cr4xvOne problem with that tinfoil hat theory - EVERYONE uses their laptops a different amount.
Some people are on their laptops a few minutes a day, a few hours a day, half the day. Some people use their laptop every day, several times a week, once or twice a week, a few times a month. The number of key or button presses one laptop gets in one year could be 20x as much as the same model from a different owner, so this could easily backfire with tons of heavy-duty users claiming the warranty for a repair that could cost the company producing it a big chunk of money.
Perhaps a more rational explanation is that laptops are coming in right after warranty expires is because that’s when they’re no longer sending them in to a place that covers them under warranty. You break your laptop less than a year in, you claim the warranty. You break it a LOT past when the warranty ends, you just buy a new one because the newest model will be better value for money than a repair. So of course most of the repairs that third-party repair shops see are ones that are a little past their warranty.
I’ve got a 2019 midrange (~$600) Dell laptop that saw super heavy use for the first two years I had it, about 4-5 hours of use nearly every day. Now it sees a few hours of use a month for the time being, just haven’t needed it a lot lately, but it works just as well today as it did in 2019. Both of my closest friends’ college laptops have held up perfectly fine as well. If it was a common thing for laptops to break right after warranty ended, surely one of us would have needed a repair in the first FOUR years?
beautiful programmed obsolescence
It works as intended: their intention is to get you to go to their official stores/retail vendors to get it fixed. They will ship it to Lenovo, which will gladly fix it... for a fee, of course.
Planned obsolescence, obviously :^) the most important component was intentionally made weak and fragile so that you have to buy another one in 2 years
@@iloveanimemidriff Exactly. Most people won't bother to DIY a solution to this issue, and will either take it to official shops or buy a new one altogether, as you mentioned.
Knowing Lenovo it will take a week for them to claim their system was down. Then a week for them to say they could not identify the issue. Then two weeks to do the fix. They will replace the wrong switch and not check if to problem is fixed. You'll have to send it back and wait another week for the fix and a week to ship it back to you.
No wait... that's thinkpad support! The consumer-range service is probably a lot worse.
Yeah all the behavior leans towards making sure you buy another, NOT make them waste more money on a good repair team
@@Scardpelt That too, but they always leave you the option to pay a absurd amount of money to get your stuff temporarily working again.
Had yogas as a school laptop years ago, students figured out that they could detach the entire screen by sticking their thumbs between the bottom of the screen and the keyboard.
omg
This kills the yogas
yup. cause the screen is glued on to the hinge.
Children are the best way to find flaws in your design
My school uses yogas and I was given 2 that didn't work until they finally found one that could turn on. That was a common problem for everyone 💀💀💀
So sad to see this happen to a company like Lenovo, yes their reputation is borrowed from IBM when they bought their hardware division but still they held the line for a long time and earned their own rep in their own right by keeping the ThinkPad a ThinkPad as long as they could, so sad to see another company destroyed by their own accounting department.
my thinkpad yoga doesn't rely on this mechanism, it has a separate pcb just to house the on/off switch which is connected to the mobo through a ribbon connector. i understand that thinkpads are still designed in japan by the original thinkpad team since ibm times, but the other sub-brands like ideapad etc is designed in china and perhaps that's how this came to be.
@@namele55777 I have an IBM ThinkPad from 2011, and a Lenovo ThinkPad from 2014. Both runs, but the older one is in better condition albeit terribly under powered. I've used a newer ThinkPad (2020) from work, it wasn't the same kind of reliable as my 2014 ThinkPad when it was new. My next purchase will of course be a Framework
The ThinkPad line still holds much of the same reputation that IBM devices had, and IBM ThinkPads certainly weren't perfect.
honestly though, Lenovo DID end up slowly taking away features from the thinkpads. I have access to an original IBM thinkpad T40, which compared to a Lenovo thinkpad t410 which wasn't made too much later, but loses many of the quality of life features of the t40, while also having an overall lower quality build. This trend has been going on for a very long time, today, thinkpads have become glorified macbooks, with soldered components and extremely thin form factors with poopoo battery life and extreme prices, except unlike the macbooks which make up for the small batteries with efficient homegrown processors, lenovo further reduces their devices effectiveness by adding design flaws to make their devices fail faster.
@@heroninja1125Give the P16 credit where credit is due.
That thing is an absolute hoss of a ThinkPad and is currently one of the largest high performance laptops sold.
As an hardware/firmware engineer myself, I'm 100% certain that someone in Lenovo's engineering team, warned about that button being an issue.
But as it usually goes, management with all their wisdom, decided to ignore all of it!
That's why I've bought myself a framework laptop. Still have to see how long it will last, but I've the feeling set company respects and listens to their engineers rather than their sales department.
Came to say basically the same thing. I work in Design and the amount of shitty decisions that come from someone higher up with an ego not listening to people with years' experience is staggering. 100% this will have been flagged by an engineer or designer and it'll have been ignored.
I too have a framework and it's been phenomenal so far. I too am interested RE the longevity of it but everything I've seen so far has been encouraging.
I've heard people say the 13 is expensive but given someone would pay $1200 for a piece of shit Lenovo, I don't think it is considering the Ryzen versions performance and the repairability etc.
@@willm5032 Well, $1500 for a framework with integrated graphics may sound much. I do however expect it to last at least 10 years, with another $500 upgrade and repair costs over time. That's about $2000 spend on a laptop, during one decade. Or an average of $200 each year.
Those who claim it's to expensive, spend $850 on a plastic machine that needs replacement every 3 ish years. Meaning they spend $2830 on laptops, during one decade. Or an average of $283 each year. So they actually spend more money on multiple machines, that are less reliable and impossible to service themselves.
I rather go for the long term and reliable solution :-) ... As a Linux user, I'm also hoping framework releases an ARM main-board version in the near future, with some incredible battery duration. It's just a board-swap away to upgrade...
It's sad however, to see how many people don't believe a computer can last more than a decade. My previous desktop lasted from december 2008, till may 2022. Spend about $2500 total on it, in order to buy and maintain it for more than 13 years. It's now repurposed as a backup nas at my parents house, auto-booting daily at 5 PM to sync my families most important data with the main-NAS at my house. So it's technically still going after 15+ years...
Framework should make a 2in1
Tbf Salem also speaks out of his ass. You can just solve the problem in software, wake on keyboard press is an easy thing to do in BIOS. No need to drill holes.
@@Muaddibize Depends if the BIOS actually supports such feature.
I've seen OEM BIOS configuration screens, with less customization options than an early 90's TV remote...
I woud suspect most devices only supporting wake from sleep on keyboard press, not wake from shutdown.
Lenovo is somehow ahead of everybody in the "make laptops as brittle as possible" game.
Last time I put some real effort in a pretty thorough overhaul of a Lenovo, backing up all the broken plastic with aluminum planks. Only to realize, just at the end of the project, that now the display is gone - although I sure as heck didn't apply any abnormal stress on it.
These guys are just one step ahead in the game. They apparently LOOK FOR the worst materials and designs to put in a laptop.
Makes me wonder if it's to differentiate between Thinkpads and the rest.
Can't comment on that, haven't played with modern ThinkPads. Older ones from ~2012 are quite decent. But hey, just how many people got burnt for assuming that all Lenovo's are Thinkpad quality...
@@batyanko8283 Yeah if that is what they're doing, it soils the name of the whole brand, including Thinkpads, and I guess they don't realize that.
For IdeaPad I absolutely 100% agree with this one
I changed my laptop chassis and keep cracking for 4x over 3 years
my lenovo legion survived being thrown off a bike while in my bag with just fan bearings being thrown off a bit, it survived multiple falls and there still isnt a single crack on the display, only like one tiny piece of plastic broke off and a few scratches on the casing, nothing unfixable, it was also an amazing buy for the price (1300 euros for a 3060 and a 5600h, amazing deal for a laptop in the EU. now that acer nitro 5 i bought before it died within the return time (2 weeks) xD
2:41 "So the fail safe for a shitty design is another shitty design."
That is one of the relatable quotes in recent history
Planned Obsolescence
Insert the: *The obligatory comment about the obligatory "Planned Obsolescence" comment.* : Here
Yep. Those metal dome switches have terrible durability.
Pretty much it, Lenovo has a bad rep on this too
In my honest opinion Planned obselence is when the CPU or the HDD gives up after 1-2 years. This is just poopoo design.
M1 MacBook Pro gang
I've had several of these Yogas come into my office. Never once has a client approved a repair on them because of either broken hinges, or the worthless power button. Parts are unobtanium and the few motherboards that are out there cost more than the laptop is worth. Every single one of these Yogas, I end up just recovering data and transferring to a new laptop. Whenever I have a client that wants to buy one for themselves or their employee(s), I tell them "NO! Do not buy a Yoga. Spend more and get something better. You'll thank me later".
hinges i would get if they break in cheap laptop, power button... never!
Lol you can spend less and get something better too
What laptop would you recommend instead?
@@BakrAli10 depends on what a person needs a laptop for tbh. Laptops are kinda like cars- there are so many different reasons people need them, and a recommendation can't really be given without uncovering how it's going to be used. (somebody doing design work, AI work, games, will have different needs than somebody that's gonna keep it in their home all day for UA-cam etc.)
@@BakrAli10 Well, that depends. What is needed from the laptop? That's like asking "What car do you recommend?". There are many factors that could change the recommendations. Making a blanket recommendation doesn't offer much help.
You can still fix it because *YOU'RE THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT EVER LIVED*
Lol
These Yogas were what got me into hardware repair. I had a 2016 hand-me-down from my mom. Got two more duds for parts. Two Hard drive failures, ram failures, four broken motherboards, power switches, keyboards, backlights, everything that could break did in the less than 3 years I was using it. They broke so often that i cobbled a backup laptop together so i had a working one when the other inevitably broke. For a laptop that cost $1200 new it's inexcusable, especially considering how resilient their older thinkpads are.
Can I ask if it is pricey to buy the required tools for repair?
It may not be related but mobile phones are brittle too, they all died on me within the 3 year range. I'm very annoyed. They all have a motherboard issue, and some of my data which i wasn't able to backup couldn't be retrieved...🥲
@@OdyLoveMusic Not really, the only tools you really need is a good screwdriver (pack of different ones or one with replaceable blades, preferably magnetic), tweezers, some sort of working soldering iron (even cheap chinesium will do, but you dont need it that often) and racoon fingers. The only two more things you need is source of replacement part (amazon) and knowledge of what you need to do (internet/YT guides).
You should consider publishing videos about the laptops / desktops that are (in your experience) built to last, with some explanation as to why. I'd be interested at any rate.
Same here. Now I know that I should rather not get a Lenovo Yoga if I want it to last for a long time, but I don't know/don't have any advice on which ones I should consider instead.
Just a question, but could you replace the whole power switch thing with a simple sideways mounted push button? Does the power button do anything special other than closing the circuit? Because if it could be replaced this is just planned obsolescence at its finest. Well done lenovo! Its weird how even some of their cheaper end stuff can last a good while, but this 1200$ thing breaks in just a few years.
Yes it can definitely be replaced with a side mounted switch, but my customer had such a grudge against this machine they told me to trash it. I ended up simply bypassing the plastic switch and popping a hole in the top case to turn it on manually. Now it's a loaner laptop for my customers.
they must get some of that overpriced market poducts extreme profit too not only the other brands☠️☠️
Yes, I replaced mine with a standard button and it worked fine
i came here to say that they could have just used one of those cheap tiny sideways switches that are easy to find and replace
@@SalemTechspertsgood shit for keeping it in use even in its damaged state instead of actually trashing it
the shot at the end is golden
Bruh
LMAO
Lenovo has done a lot of dumb things to their laptops over the years... This is one of the top 3 worst engineering designs by far!
It's just so careless and unnecessary.
@@SalemTechsperts Last time I had a Yoga, it was a Thinkpad Yoga260 and it was ok.
Honestly, if you want a good laptop, get any Thinkpad.
Lenovo is a design flaw master. Our company bought lenovo ideapad 340s laptops as work computers. And after 3 years they started to break one by one.
Turned out Lenovo had two modifications of these laptops: with HDD and without. And since both modifications are identical inside they filled the HDD place with "HDD dummy" metal thing which was also attached to laptop with 4 screws. And these screws were attached loosely since holes in dummy HDD are slightly bigger than in real HDD. Now you can guess: after 3 years of shaking, transporting and flipping all screws start to pop out one by one and some of them caused short circuits and permanently damaged some motherboards.
After I figure it out, I started a massive fix: I just... Removed them all, there is no need in dummy at all! Maybe it supposed to be some sort of additional hardness but it is so slight. And obviously if your thing causes expensive damage - it should not be there.
This is sad to see, I have a 6 year old yoga it survived 4 years of college (2 mile bike rides in the rain and snow, getting hit by a car, dropped multiple times, and constant use) and is honestly still running great. I am not sure if this is just newer yogas that are going to crap, or if I just got lucky. Either way I am sad to see that not everyone has had the same experience as me.
Damn that's tough.. not just the machine but your life obstacles kinda like what I've experienced on a 3rd world (except snow part obviously). Soo.. let's hope by now you already gotten yourself a 4wheeler by now..
I'm glad to see there was a design flaw with the hinges of Lenovo Yogas! I had a Yoga 3 14 (or something of that sort) and it was a nice, well-rounded laptop...except the hinges kept falling apart every 6 months!! I tried getting it fixed 5-6 times, swear I spent more on fixing that laptop than I did buying it, and eventually a random day 6 years later it was running in the morning and I went for a walk, came back and it was completely fried.
Good riddance
This happened to mine actually. 2 days out of warranty. I replaced it with a button meant for a PS4 disc eject and it's worked fine since.
Replacing that button is easy with basic soldering skills. I have done it a lot. I also found and have purchased 200 of those push buttons. To me it seems like a bit of a waste to not be able to do such a simple repair and keep the laptop in the wild. But I am a soldering expert and not a lot of repair techs do that.
I have a HP thingimajig and when you press f7 a little to hard, the frame bends into the fan and makes a lovely grinding sound.
Excellent
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Lenovo's new laptops come with lid sensor (flip to boot option in BIOS/vantage application). Side power button is still there on some models.
yep, the only times where you really need to push the button is to put it to sleep while the keyboard is flipped or to force restart it
Yeah after this I'm never pressing the power button again
Yeah i also have that feature
Thank's for bringing that up. I have a Lenovo Laptop myself and barely ever using the powerbutton due to it turning on (not only exiting sleep mode but a real boot) when you open the lid. Now I know to be extra careful IF I need to press it for whatever reason.
BTW. the other day I had to fix the start button on my washing mashine. same exact problem. A cheap plastig thingy that breaks when you look at it the wrong way. The only good thing was that it was an easy to replace part
Planned Obsolescence.
The 1st yoga is still the best laptop I ever had, even it was relatively heavy, it was the best one to be used in the various 360 degrees uses and on the go, all credits due to the rubber band around it, that thing alone made a big difference
The 1st gen yoga was quite expensive for 2012 especially for what specs it had. The materials surrounding the motherboard are the best I’ve ever had on a laptop. It’s currently my typing laptop because of how good the keyboard area is.
When the power button broke after a year and a half of use on my first notebook, a Lenovo, I took it back to the shop. They patiently explained that I must have pressed too hard on the button and that since it was intentional, the warranty would not stand.
Later, I financed a higher end Lenovo Yoga and bought a four year warranty (the longest warranty possible) just in case anything went wrong.
Four years and six months later, the power button works great; the hinge, not so much.
Thank you for sharing this information. It brightens my week to know there is hope for me yet with technology.
I work at Geek Squad, and honestly I don't recall seeing a lot of yogas breaking due to the power switch. I can remember a couple Dells and an HP, but no Lenovos.
Granted, maybe this is just because people aren't come to us with broken Lenovo laptops. But I know on older Lenovos that outer plastic button could be removed in favor of accentuating the tiny switch directly
The first thing I noticed is the button is exposed even when the laptop is closed... it's obviously going to be pressed by accident and potentially damaged in transit too!
I can confirm the hinge issues, dad used a lenovo yoga 2 pro, from the moment it was unboxed to many years later and even warranty replacement, the screen has always had issues and often touchscreen wont work, the orientation of the screen will flip for no reason (gyroscopes are cheaply made and don't work) but his new lenovo yoga 7i also has touchscreen and cheap gyroscope issues, had warranty replacement and still didn't work. Lenovo clearly has terrible quality consumer devices, new thinkpads are average when compared to devices produced by other companies.
If you want to spare yourself from the insufferable experience of a lenovo yoga, get an acer spin 3 or acer spin 5. They are built in the same form as the lenovo thinkpad yogas, with a stylus port and stylus docked inside of the device, hinges actually work (better then the yoga thinkpads) and they are a quarter the price of the thinkpads, and half the price of the yogas for the same specs (unless you want one of those shiny expensive 3.2k oled screens).
Hmmmm
I had 2 Lenovo ideapads, and both of their bottoms started to come off because of loose screws. One of the laptops started making a clicking sound, and the hinge eventually broke. Shows allot about the build quality on these laptops.
That's Lenovo signature build quality
bro my ideapad cooler killed itself and the thermal paste is toasted within 1 1/2 year
They were all like APPLE DESIGN school on that.
But we dont(
Remember how the power switch on button on the older iphones won’t work when the plastic underneath broke off and makes you replace the ribbon cable to make the button working again?
Please, the build quality on Apple products is years ahead of the competition. The fact that it isn't great just says the alternatives are abysmal.
@@rumble1925 The build quality of Apple products has taken a nosedive too. I don't hate apple, I've owned a MacBook Pro and an iMac myself, but those 2000s to early 2010s MBP's really felt like machines built for professional use. Now they're more akin to a status symbol made to break as easily as the cheaper status symbol. Imagine, on the old models they literally had slots intended for swapping out RAM or hard drives yourself. Not just allowing you to do that, intended for you to do that. Instructed in the manual. The battery you could just click out and swap in seconds without even needing to open the thing up.
Apples are the some of the best built devices you can buy.
That cameraman, at the last, made me laugh! Hats off to such creativity, you guys put to make simple yet funny videos, that don't have a specific term to define.
I find it really hard to believe that you couldn't find a dome switch, it's probably the most commonly used type of switch on the market. Even if you couldn't find the exact size of switch you could have gotten one that was close enough and just epoxied it in place with some magnet wire connecting the terminals.
Hahahahahah. You kinda get it. BUT, The size and shape IS PROPRIETARY OUT OF COMPLEXITY. He clearly does a pretty good job of repairing and is showing you issues with Lenovo yoga.
I dont think its worth it if it is just gonna fail in exactly the same way in less than a month, at that point maybe asking the customer if performing a bit of a hardware modification and using an entirely different type of switch is best.
That image of Barbara is going to haunt me tonight.
Conceptually I can see why they wanted a push button on the pcb actuated by a button on the side, it saves on assembly, however it definitely needs some refinement.
No you can't see that please for the love of god
No, it doesn't. It would save on assembly even more to just use a side mounted button.
would recommend getting a cheap printer with a small build volume, like the Ender 3 v3se or a bambulab A1. I got into printing a bit over a year ago, and it's been immeasurably helpful in my own time fixing things
My last two devices were also Lenovo Yogas, which only lasted 2.5 years each. Weak points in my devices were the power supply socket, hinges and fans. Now I have a Macbook Air M2 (without fan and Magsafe) which hopefully will last longer.
All modern Laptops are trash. MacBooks have that m2 chip paired with onboard ssd which can’t be replaced. It’s not an NVME. Even if you try to solder a nand flash chip with higher capacity it won’t boot. Acer Asus Lenovo dells all are e-waste. My Asus stopped working in 3 years. Bought an Acer and guess what? Only the half part of cpu had thermal paste on it.
@@rohitk8797 oddly enough even though acer does weird things like that, of all the laptops in my house, the only ones that have consistently worked over the years were acer laptops, typically they have certain cuts like that and have always been subpar when it comes to cooling, but they are reliable and cheaper. Now a modern laptop that is actually pretty good, consider looking at the framework 13, and the framework 16 that is coming out, upgradeable and modular just like a desktop, with the 16 (16 inch version) having support for a removable/upgradeable gpu. It is really the future of laptops.
You need to build a proper tower PC with swappable parts to be free. Framework laptop if you need a laptop and a FairPhone instead of other popular brands
@@rohitk8797 thats the reason prebuilts are shit they take advantage of people not knwoing about tech and sell them garbage that is nice to use but breaks after like 3 years even tho it cost more than 1k originally just so they buy more gone are the days companies would do thier best to make great products now they make great marketing and thats it.
@@spicynoodle7419 yep. Recently made a Ryzen 5600G PC for basic computing (Back up for my wedding photography data, printing,etc). For gaming I have PS4..
I have second-hand Yoga X1 gen 4. I had a problem with the motherboard, but it was replaced during the warranty period.
I do not use the power button because I use hibernation mode after the lid goes down.
Hinges looks solid in the X1 line.
I really like my Yoga and I can recommend it.
I get around 10 hours of battery life with light usage.
Nice hoodie 😊. Nice presentation and top notch sound effects 😂
Haha thanks for buying me my favorite hoodie pops! No one can compete with your anime wardrobe though 🤣
One Piece🔥
When you find your laptop model in a video named "huge design flaw": 🗿
Fortunately mine never broke but i handle it better than the way i do (did) with my gf.
But still my gf is not mine anymore, and the hinge of the lenovo broke one year ago and i keep putting superglue until it dries, break and then put it again.
Because another design flaw is that the hinge on the screen is made of metal, but screwed on a plastic chassis so if the metal separates from plastic because you open it 1500-2000 times in 3-4 years when you use it for work, there's no way to put them back together, except by glueing, breaking and repeat, like me and my gf.
this happened to me with with a Lenovo IdeaPad, the hinge had loose screws after putting pressure on the laptop Plastic for so long, I opened it and tightened the screws on the hinges and it EXPLODED and the entire plastic bracket holding the hinges broke into a million tiny pieces and now the screen is only attached the rest of the laptop with a wire
All 4 of my HP laptops I’d gotten from 2010 to 2013 suffered major physical failure (3 of them shattered hinges and the one detachable laptop tablet having the keyboard connector go out)
Meanwhile my 2008 MacBook SE is still in mint condition as I’ve taken the OS well beyond its final version of 2015’s OSX 10.11 El Capitan and patched it to 2018’s MacOS 10.14 Mojave and now finally 2023’s MacOS 14 Sonoma. It throws ppl for a loop to see the newer OS on a 2008 Mac and to see said Mac still in like-new condition
Ironically my 2011 HP 630, even if in the golden era, never had any problems with the hinges. I dismissed it last month for the hardware incapable to keep up with my needs, but it never had mechanical failures 😅
(And the power switch has a dedicated daughter board, unlike these Lenovos)
Macbooks are the best
Yup, you spend more but they work for a lot longer. I've upgraded quite frequently due to getting them from work so I've had to give macbooks away to friends and family because they work so well and it's a shame to have them lying around.
why did i just find this video today?
I suggested my girl to buy Lenovo Yoga 10 month ago and last month the power button broken too. Fortunately it still covered by warranty. Now i feel guilty to her :(
This is one of the most common types of switches used in laptops and tablets, not just Lenovo. I have seen many failures with this switch type across many brands but I suppose it's good enough for the warranty period.
this has to be one of the best thumbnails I have ever seen bro! cool channel, do what you love, love what you do.
Wow!!! I hadn't realized that issue with my Yoga...its going on 6 years and only replacement was the battery (which I should haven't done.... gone thru 2 Amazon returns).. Its still going strong except for 3 hour battery life of course. Then again I did pay 700 OTD from BestBuy.
Yep. My yoga is 6 years strong as well I must have gotten lucky.
I dont smoke crack but Im pretty sure there arent "strains" of it. Perhaps the Coca plants it is derived from, but it is my understanding that they are processed to the point that the particular plant doesnt matter, just the resultant chemicals.
Vote with your wallets people. I voted Framework.
Love my Framework, hopefully they'll become a big player in laptop manufacturing
I love Macbooks, but I also love Frameworks 😢 hard to choose! (I use a desktop I built at home w Linux but imo macOS is the best laptop OS)
I wish framework already available on my country at the time of me buying new laptop but unfortunately it didnt
I like their concept but sadly, it's unavailable in my country
My laptop still works fine (hp pavilion) but my next one is likely going to be a framework
Lenovo’s metal Ideapads have the same power button mechanism regardless of where the power button is placed.
At least for me, the Novo button works so I use a SIM Ejector as a power button.
After watching this I feel exceptionally lucky with my yoga 710-11IKB which is working perfectly fine after 8 years of daily usage.
I hace a T460 and a fellow engineer used to have an ideapad, which despite being newer already had cracked and the power button had being replaced with another button welded in being put in place by masking tape.
Hey actually you can find a new power button, its similar, just trim off a plastic tab in the middle.
Also, you can 3d print a new button that fixes this too.
He said in the video he doesn’t have one.
Salem Techtips: *Explaining important info*
Me: "That's not your usual voice" 🙃
This is my "at work" voice aka depression and aggrevation
Back in uni I worked as student tech support and I remember having a handful of these laptops come in with that exact problem, and I couldn't do anything about it. It really sucked to see
that jumpscare at the end really made the whole video
Lenovo owns motorola. Why the heck didn't they consult their design team to design such a mechanism when their phones are making it for years?
Planned obsolescence
@@sierrachief117true lol
hello, there is a bios setting, so when you open the laptop it turns on, usually you do not have to press the power button, the power button itself is an alternative, and the reset button is the alternative to the alternative : ) you are welcome, you are actually right on all points despite this information, best regards
My old Lenovo X220T ThinkPad has a pretty good power button, and that thing is over a decade old at this point, so Lenovo at least use to know how to make a power button. The palm rest, however, was not that good on the X220T as the area above the express card slot (because this was made back when that was still a thing on laptops) would often crack if you didn't have an express card in there.
The older the Thinkpad, the more of an IBM design it is. I have a new T14 and it is nice so the Thinkpads are still holding up, but if you look up the changes made between each generation it's like they're slowly chipping away at what made Thinkpads good in the first place. Just not all at once so people don't stop buying them.
Preach! , as a repairman of thousands of lenovo laptops of various models.
I thought the thumbnail was jerma smoking crack at first.
My sister had a Lenovo yoga this is also a known issue. The touch functionality of the touch screen stopped working about 6 months in and it was not a hardware issue it was some sort of driver issue. Never worked again never came up with any solution dozens of similar complaints online.
You forgot how the Yoga 720 hinges are welded onto the chassis with just a few small spots. I’ve had to replace both hinges on mine and have broken the screen in the process
My Yoga L13 I bought in 2020 is still running strong and well and I have not been the most respectful owner to it. It even survived a dent on the backside of its screen like a champ and I survived the (almost) heart attack that that caused me.
Literally the same mechanism(the power button thingy) was used in the insanely popular Sandisk Sansa Clip+ MP3 player... I loved it because of Rockbox, but I bought like 5 of them over my adolescence because they broke very easily.
Glad to see another brother-in-arms! Sansa Clip and Rockbox were the fucking bomb!
I guess I was lucky with that power button, mine never broke, I just stopped using it cause the battery got way too unusable...
@@maldivirdragonwitch Hi there bro :^) Just FYI: you could buy a 3.7v battery in an electronics shop for dirt cheap and change it without too much of a hassle (given you have a soldering kit or can borrow one). I recently got into electronics as a hobby and it's really empowering how many things you can fix easily. IMO it's still worth, the sound quality compared to an average phone is significantly better even on cheap headphones and the clip is supper comfy.
for work i have an Acer Predator Triton and the power button is just on the keyboard on the top right, I haven't had any issues with that, feels intuitive and works
the dumbest part is that it would be easier and cheaper to have a vertically activated power button next to the keyboard, just like you modded it to have
It's not just laptops and power buttons on them. It's most of modern things and software - secondary, cheap. I miss The Old Days...
i remember i had a lenovo laptop but the power button was a bit different then the once shown in the video. The laptop used a button needed to be pushed virtually towards the upper part of the laptop (i appoligize for the bad explanation). And the laptop cost us 300 to 500 dollar back than. So its quite sad as the laptop was pretty fast and my stupid young self left the laptop at the store when they told us it couldn't be fixed. TwT
When you started talking about reset hole I knew they implemented it in the same way as power button. I stick with ThinkPad (usually 14) ignoring Yoga.
I had a cheap Lenovo about 12 years ago, would drop wifi nonstop. Never bought the brand again, although I try to keep up with what they're doing.
Lenovo is a big decentralized brands and two of the laptop lines have good engineering
Legion 5 Pro (not 7 until recently)
Thinkpad
Everything else is a lazy excuse
@@harrytsang1501and half those were bought from ibm
@@harrytsang1501what about the LOQ?
Wow you smart man! I did not think about the hole…
It would be like car manufactures switching to use 2nd hand McDonald’s paper straws as drive shafts.
Opel in Europe tried that. Cost them a ton in warranty claims especially on snapped driveshafts and damaged their reputation for quality. Your bean counters cannot order one month to the next that all parts must cost 20% less across the board unless something is sacrificed ...
I love your videos and stuff but I would suggest you to upgrade your microphone.
As always,thanks for being the greatest technician that's ever lived❤
Apple tier design
This mean excellent design? Cause I heard apple laptops are the best.
Nah Apple’s hardware design is relatively good (but not the Magic Mouse that shit is awful)
It’s their software design that’s pretty hostile to the consumer
@@789uio6ythey’re probs referring to the 2016-2018 MacBook pros boy were those a pile of junk constant overheating and build quality issues
@@dauntingkittyapples hardware design is horrible. The amount of random shitty failures macs have is insane
@@skfl2372macs in general are built pretty sturdy. i have a newer intel macbook, which has a pretty stupid fan placement, but the m1 and m2 macbooks are actually good products. macos is a big plus as well
I'm glad I found your video today. I do imaging for state agencies all over Illinois and we just imaged a dozen yogas and carbons and gave them to the state admins to decide if they want to buy millions of dollars of them and replace devices for hundreds of thousands of users across the state. I'm going to bring this up to the bigwigs since the whole design of the device already isn't up to the standards of the abuse our devices go thru in the 4 to 5 years before refreshing. I like the Carbons but damn are they expensive for what 99% of our users need systems for.
Just as my lenovo ideapads 2 year warranty ended, keyboards w key, d key and ; key seemed damaged, like they dont feel rigid, they feel extremely soft and require almost no force to push them down (i used w and d alot but I don't get the rhe ; key). Ill still try to make use of it at least the next 2 years before (or maybe 4) before replacing
I swear, Lenovo has seriously gone down hill in recent years. They used to be good back in the day, and now they're just junk. I don't understand why so many people still swear by them.
I just picked up a Lenovo Ideapad flex 5 that appears to have the same power and "novo" button design. I wonder if this is why the "flip to start" option is enabled by default.
Thank you! I was considering this laptop for my daughter, but you made it clear I'll have to look elsewhere.
My other daughter's Lenovo laptop is still working great after 8 years. Sure, I've replaced the HDD with an SSD and I've installed more RAM, but it is working great and I still use it every day (she bought an HP Envy something or other and left her old Lenovo with us when she moved out).
All old laptops are robust af
I have Lenovo Yoga 500 (I just don't use it anymore) and its hinge durability is so sh*tty that it broke in just two years. Luckily it did survive whole 8 years of service. Surprisingly, my power button didn't break and I'm glad it didn't because it won't power on with plug-in trick.
Great Video but there have been improvements to the Yoga line. New Yoga 7i 13th Gen Intel turns on when you lift the screen up and you can turn it off by using the Start button thereby not using the power button at all.
Whos that dude in the end?
Lupe
I have a desktop PC, but I needed a laptop for university. I chose the Yoga c640 (2019) for two reasons: battery life and the stylus for writing/drawing. After a year and a half, the battery capacity dropped to 32% (discovered thanks to Linux). While I didn't use the pen because it made me nervous, transforming a straight line into a wave. Purchasing a compatible Wacom pen did not solve the problem. So it's the laptop problem. My Surface pro 1 (2013) pen has no battery and worked much better. Not to mention the screen that dances after a month and the fans that for a year (with the latest bios updates) startes at maximum speed and gradually decreased, repeating this cycle every 10 seconds (even when the PC has no applications open on fresh instaled copy of windows). Personally I prefer Windows but (thanks to Lenovo😔) now out of my home i am a Macbook + iPad user.
This is what pusses me off about modern hardware and “tech reviewers”.
Hardware Unboxed recently did a Q&A where someone asked them about warranty and rma. And both of them mentioned how they have never dealt with rma before. They change their hardware so often they never have to deal with any of the longevity issues of stuff.
The cynic in me says this is a designed flaw (as opposed to a design flaw) which the company has determined increases sales. They're careful to build it into a mechanical part that can be blamed on a "rough" end-user: button/switch, hinge...
Keep tearing apart these brands... They sacrifice repairability & common sense for stupidity & greed.
Crack doesn't have 'strains'. Cocaine, whether freebase (crack cocaine) or cocaine hydrochloride (powder cocaine), is a particular chemical extracted from the coca plant. Thus, whatever varietal of coca might be used for extraction, the cocaine is the same - the only difference is purity.
For comparison, cannabis has different strains, but THC is THC. You don't have 'strains' of THC.
Never trusted the non business lineup from Lenovo. If it was not an X,T,A or W series it was not worth buying.
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Until they have gone to shit as well. XD
Bought a 1st gen and 3rd gen Yoga X1 used from work, didn't even occur to me that the power button could have this issue. No issues so far, but I guess I'll have to be careful with them
Good old days with laptop wwre fully customisable removable battery easy repair easy to upgrade as everything divided in section, not shitty design.
The dell Inspiron 1510 is still running the SSD was sooo easy
Ram everything written on motherboard how to fo things
They put the switch on the side in case the user is using the laptop in tablet mode where the keyboard is hidden. Lenovo is not the only manufacturer to do this. Perhaps the other manufacturers have a more robust solution. This issue reminds me of years ago when I had a VCR and this tiny rubber belt drove the mechanism that inserted and rejected the tape. When the belt broke, I literally replaced it with a rubber band--but I kept the case loose because every few weeks I had to put a new rubber band in there.
Never buy a Lenovo unless its a Thinkpad, got it
This isnt even "cheaping out", this is convoluting for convoluting's sake (and increasing points of failure). That dingy little piece is harder to produce than just having the button have a little bump with a tiny spring around it(might not even need the spring), connecting it directly to the mb button. Designed to fail, really
1:15 piece of chrome switch
My ThinkPad works well after 5 years, but it did not work from the factory. The Yoga I used to have died twice during warranty; straight to the ewaste bin when warranty expired.
me watching after buying lenovo yoga......
You could use a zip tie, bend it a little in a shape that will cause it work like a spring may need to be super glued in place but it will work without fail for a long time.
Hello I just found your channel and thought it looked like a good source of learned experience.
I was wondering if you know about any mechanical faults or deadly flaws with the Dell Inspiron 5625 16" Full HD Laptop (512GB)[Ryzen 7] ?
I’m a little new to laptops and have no space for a PC set-up, but whenever I try to look things up online I get either sponsored content or heavily conflicting reviews.
that was a beautiful thumbnail that got me to click on a video I never otherwise would have. Beautiful.
That was a close one, I thought I messed up. But I only made my brake pedal out of cardboard, my gas pedal is still metal, so I'm all good :D
Tere are some decent models of Lenovo laptops, but I do remember getting a ThinkPad 530p (or something like that) and realising they were made to fail. It was stuff all round, but they made the cooling system so badly that it would throttle itself constantly. All other staff had some laptop and nobody likes them. I used to go around changing the thermal paste, upgrading pads and cleaning them out every few months.