The number of clicks driven by "Notre Dame must join a conference" and "FSU has new plan to get out of ACC" makes you wonder if these schools exist just to keep UA-camrs fed.
IMO the Big 12 You Tubers are obsessed with the destruction of the PAC and ACC. I think they are still a little hurt that the PAC and ACC tried that alignment with the Big 10 and left the Big 12 out to rot.
@@TedNahas Yeah, yeah, heard it before about FSU. This is the third, fourth....fifth time? Every story there is some magical thing that descends from the heavens and makes their signatures go away like disappearing ink. Then two days later a judge comes out and says, "lol".
Geez, why is everybody making a big deal about this since the CFP meeting yesterday? This was known better than a year ago that ND would never get a bye in the new, 12-team playoff. The only thing that changed yesterday was going from 6 automatic conference champion qualifiers to now 5 automatic conference champions due to the collapse of the Pac-12. ND isn't joining a conference anytime soon. ND administration gave up the possibility of a bye since they do not play a conference championship game. Sounds fair to me.
What loss of revenue are you talking about? They already signed their NBC contract that carries them thru the 2029 season. Money isn't an issue for Notre Dame. If the ACC folds, that is a completely different matter.
@@robertducanis4448 money most certainly will be an issue in the long run for Notre Dame. Recruiting will be too. Their stubbornness will lead to further deterioration of their brand. Notre Dame has 11 National Championships but only 4 in the modern era: 1 in the 60s, 2 in the 70s, and 1 in the 80s. No national championship since. Doesn't help that Bama now has piles more national championships than Notre Dame. Notre Dame has a close to zero percent chance of ever being the brand they were when NBC first signed a deal with them.
As a B10 fan I like ND staying independent because it reminds me of what CFB used to be like. Also, ND coincidentally tends to "join" conferences that eventually implode (Big East, ACC).
Except for the agreement with the ACC where ND has to join the ACC in football should they drop independence... pending the ACC grant of rights debacle.
The lack of bye access is irrelevant. ND's previous AD Swarbrick was one of the four who designed the original 6+6 model and had already agreed to ND not being able to get a bye to keep their independent status. I'm guessing this part is being forgotten by the ones who think the lack of bye access might be the way to get them to join a conference. Maybe down the road if some type of breakaway happens and they have to join the new league sure. But the format over the next two years won't be the reason.
Notre Dame in the SEC? That seems like a culture clash. On the other hand, who would've guessed that UCLA would one day be in the same conference as Rutgers? Or that Stanford and Syracuse would join forces? I guess anything's possible.
@@drizzle452 I can't speak for all SEC fan bases but I know LSU would love to play Notre Dame every year. Now only did our head coach used to coach them but there are a ton of Catholics down here who root for Notre Dame as a backup plan in case LSU isn't doing well. I know it would go over well with us.
@@drizzle452 Bruh relax on the imagined vitriol, it's not the 90s no one 'hates' ND anymore🤣 They need to actually *win* something like Bama or UGA. But seriously, ND would make for some great TV matchups against SEC teams they rarely or have never played. LSU/ND and UT/ND were usually decent games historically.
If you think about ND’s playoff expectations and chances, the B1G and SEC actually decrease their odds, the SEC more so than the B1G, in making it into the CFP. Independence is still a better choice. Until and if the ACC implodes, their current status is still ND’s best choice. Even the Big XII has better odds for ND than either the B1G or the SEC, but when are chances getting into the CFP ever the driving force for ND.
Notre Dame may have an extra playoff game but wouldn't have a conf championship so it's the same number of games. And the first round of the playoff could be an easier game than any conf championship is they have the #1 seed.
your point is valid, but it is also true that someone (who is undefeated) could loose their conference championship game and still make the playoffs ... if someone loses in first round of playoffs, they are done ...
Great point! Would you rather play a conference championship game vs a tough team and then get a bye? Or have a bye during championship weekend and host a home game vs a G5 team, which is pretty much a guaranteed win?
I think ND is willing to trade the possibility of a bye for independence. I think pitting tradition against tradition could swing it. If both USC and Stanford were in the Big Ten but couldn’t schedule ND every year…take it from a BYU fan, independence is less fun if you can’t play whoever you want.
I think if the ACC breaks down, they swing to the Big Ten with Stanford, Pittsburgh, and GT. The other 6 strong teams in the south could join the Big Ten or SEC as well. (FSU, Clemson, Duke, UVA, UNC, Miami)
@@frankschaefer8890 it will be interesting to watch this unfold. It’s easy to see what the Big Ten or SEC would do for any school, not so easy to see what Florida State does for them. I do think the SEC wants to keep pace with the Big Ten’s membership, but geography still seems important to them. UNC and Virginia would seem to have a better shot at SEC membership than FSU and Clemson.
@@frankschaefer8890 A different thought, if the ACC implodes why wouldn't they join the Big 12 if they felt the need to join a conference? The money is gong to be there regardless of conference. They will not let go of NBC's $$$, nor will NBC let go of ND. the Big 12 TV rights are both ESPN & FOX, they will want in on the viewer $$$ that Notre Dame brings and Notre Dame will think that the route to the playoffs will be easier thru the Big 12 than big 10 or SEC and that means more $$$ thru the playoffs TV package. Just a different thought process that makes more sense to me.
@@frankschaefer8890 lol.. you haven't paid attention at all. Pitt, Gt, Duke, does not have the revenue it takes to keep up with B1G. Stanford does not have the football revenue. None of these schools will be in the B1G or SEC. It comes down to revenue and viewership. FSU, ND, Clemson, Miami to B1G and UNC, UVA to SEC. After that happens realignment is through.
@@aBrewster29UNC and Virginia fit B1G academically far more. I could see FSU going B1G because espn and the playoff screwed them. AAU membership moves make it seem like B1G is the first choice for both Miami and FSU. Clemson doesn’t move the SEC needle much.
John, as a fan of the University for 40 years, I'd love to discuss this with you. The amount of false information and click bait headlines concerning ND and a conference is just plain false. Unless the governing body of the CFP puts the proverbial gun to the school's head and says, "Join or no playoff", or, if NBC decides they can't pay ND what they're asking, they will never join a conference. They simply don't need to. They don't care about the first round bye. Part of the deal with them staying independent. And it's fair. They're a national brand, always have been. They go to California once a year, and play 6 games a year in acc up and down the coast, as well as scheduling neutral site games in New York. They do not need a conference, and anyone that thinks otherwise, is misinformed, or just a jealous fan.
ND will not get a buy, but they will get a home game if they are in the top standings. This is not the case for conference champions. Last ND will have a buy, during the other conference championship games so it all works out. If you really know, you know. ND has stronger pull than you might think.
A lot of Notre Dame’s historical rivalries are in the Big 10 especially with Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State all three have been big-time arrivals of Notre Dame in the past. And Notre Dame joining the Big 10 what solidify the historic rivals for the future.
Well there’s that pesky little thing called agreements documented on paper. If they are as legally binding as they appear to be, All the rhetoric is not going to Free Florida State for free.
Now with regard to Notre Dame. It’s quite possible that they get “exceptions” as they always have. What options does the number one brand in college football have? They negotiate! The school has enormous entertainment draw. The school has enormous financial reserves. What if the NCAA and SEC Stonewall them, they could look to a split from the NCAA, quite possibly taking some big names with them. All I’m saying is that Notre Dame has power in their assets. Don’t ignore them.
yeah, SEC and BIG TEN trying to get all these AQ's and eating up the spots. Asking for four each. I'm not saing they will get that, but holy smokes! ND might not have a spot to get in the CFB playoffs without being in one of thsoe.
If the CFP goes to 16 teams, imo the B1G and SEC would want 6 teams apiece, that would still allow for Notre Dame to have its slot, the Big12 would have a slot, the ACC would have a slot and lastly, the highest ranked G5 team would have a slot. No byes and all first round games are home field games. Everyone is happy. Of course the B1G and SEC would take 80 percent of the CFP money while the others have to share the remaining 20 percent but it’s the current landscape of college football so maybe not everyone’s too happy.
"the contract the ACC has with Notre Dame after the 2020 COVID inclusion of Notre Dame into the ACC for season play in the COVID year, there is a stipulation that if Notre Dame joins a conference before 2036, it must be the ACC. "
It will still be the same number of games for Notre Dame. Every conference champion will have played a conference championship game. So effectively they have to play 4 games to win the National Championship as well. Notre Dame, no conference championship game but have to play a first round game. Works out the same.
Exactly. By not having to play a conference championship game they get a bye. ND has everything they want. They extended their NBC football deal, basketball and other sports are parked on the ACC Network and their rival Stanford is about to join the ACC. If anything they may extend the number of ACC football games they play to 6 or 7 should it become harder to schedule Big 10 and SEC opponents due to increased conference games in those conferences.
wrong. Notre Dame is in the ACC except for 60% of their football schedule. They already aren't independent. The wheels have actually started moving today to exit the ACC and join the B1G.
ND to the Big12 would be interesting in my mind. Due to them having an easier path to a conference championship there. Really only having to compete with 2-3 other teams.
HOPING THEY WON’T SLEEP WITH ESPN. NO MEDIA MOGUL SHOULD HAVE A MONOPOLY ON CFP OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL. NEVER! ESPN’S GREED RUINED THE BOWL SEASON WITH THEM CONTROLLING ALL THE GAMES BUT A FEW.
ND also doesn't have to play a conference championship game. If the BIG/SEC trying to set multiple guaranteed bids, what are they afraid of? If they have the best teams, what's to worry? I think BIG12/ACC need to say no. The request is about throwing weight around--- it is asking for unearned bids because if earned then what's the issue?
Because the B1G and SEC who do have the best teams want that reality formally recognized as fact on paper. They don't want a situation where a second place BIG12/ACC school gets a playoff bid over a 3rd or 4th place B1G/SEC team, based on wins in a weaker conference because the committee doesn't put enough importance on strength of schedule. The B1G and SEC are throwing their weight around because they can. They would get the biggest TV deal because their schools deliver viewers. If the BIG 12 and ACC don't like it,they can bounce. They wouldn't get anywhere near B1G/SEC money for a second tier playoff. The BIG 12 and ACC are over a barrel and they know it.
Anyone that thought “this isn’t gonna be a big deal, committees don’t accomplish anything” was foolish. This is awful for the landscape of college football.
Notre Dame wants to stay as Independent, and will refuse to join the Big 10 or SEC. They would be the misfit that would disrupt the apple cart at the P2. They would rather join the ACC as a full member. They like their basketball and football, and ACC have the better men's basketball.
The playoff needs to get rid of this "at large" shit. Either join a conference or get left behind, that's how it should be! They should be in the BI0 because the majority of their rivals are all in that conference anyway, its a perfect fit.
If Notre Dame does not join the Big Ten Then it is likely that even if Notre Dame is number one in a country at the last week of the season, they won’t be number one when the playoff starts.
I think this will finally make Notre Dame Join a Conference. Also Jon could you come on live after the Women’s Basketball game tonight? It starts at 6:30.
Notre Dame will never join a conference it’s part of the branding being independent unless according to AD himself “unless there was an unfair path to the playoff” A one or two loss Notre Dame might certainly always get into the playoffs, but Notre Dame can never be ranked inside the top CFP five but I honestly don’t think they care.
Money will not be an issue, NBC will always pony up competitive money, they provide great ratings. Playoff access, as long as they don't have more than two loses they will probably get an invite. Never getting a first round bye, they've already stated they don't care about that cause they don't play a conference championship game. The only issue...if the ACC dies, they need a conference for their non revenue sports. Hockey is in the BIG. Big East for basketball? AAC? The BIG would not accept a friends with benefits arrangement like the ACC. ND wants the ACC to survive.
Got to push back on Big Ten and SEC getting multiple guaranteed playoff bids. Don't mind these two conferences earning multiple bids but guaranteeing a certain number of bids. Nope!
I would have no problem with 16 as long as a conference can't get 3 until the 4 P5's have 2. It would suck to be the XII runner-up who lost to an undefeated team in double OT and get passed over because OSU, UM, PSU, UO & UW beat the basement of the B1G and only have a couple losses because they only played 1 or 2 top teams.
I think ND goes to the B1G, “if” FSU goes. ND would ask for 4 protected games. USC-Washington-FSU and Maryland. This would keep a cross country/independent vibe,while still being in a conference.
@@raleighsanford5111 Yup, switch out Stanford for MSU. ND has historically ended the season in CA, at either USC or Stanford. With USC it’s a Rivalry, with Stanford it was my understanding that it’s a logistical decision based on recruiting (taking advantage of being on the West Coast.)
@@ElleYeah13 I think the B1G made it obvious that they have zero interest in Stanford, or any former PAC team they don't already have. We are heading toward either 3 conferences of 20 or 2 conferences of 48 & either way, Stanford and Cal are more likely to end up with Oregon State & Washington State than in "The New D1".
If ND joins a conference it will be ACC. Keeps FSU in and TV contract renegotiated. ND is contractually obligated to do so if they join a conference prior to 2036. ND needs to join with this new playoff format.
The problem with this logic, which I suspect the powers concerned secretly acknowledge, is that Notre Dame is unlikely to ever make the playoff in the Big 10 (or SEC, which I couldn't see them joining). That's why it's acceptable to them to give up the right to a top-4 bye. That's why it was also a mistake for USC to bolt for the Big 10 (or, on the flipside, for the Big 10 to accept them); are you going to get Ohio State, Michigan, and USC all in the playoff? No! But USC and Oregon might both have gotten into the playoff if the Pac-12 were still together. Same thing with the SEC and OU/UT; with everybody beating up on each other--UGa misses the four-team playoff this year???--I suspect OU in particular may come to rue the day they left the Big 12.
The B10 & SEC will get multi bids per year no matter what. The team that loses the Conf champ game for both are getting in and the 3rd place team is assured too. The P2 are getting at least 6 spots combined and likely 1 other team yearly..so 7 of the 12 spots are going to them yearly and in some years 8. If you look at the top 12 teams ranked in the CFP last season, it was 11 teams that will be in the B10 or SEC for the 2024 season.
Keep this in mind: There's no guarantee that there would be enough B1G or SEC teams where they'd dominate the CFP bracket without the B1G/SEC scheme to squeeze out the Big 12 and other leagues.
2 reasons why ND doesn't want to join a conference. 1) it's their identity, it's like saying Alabama should join the B1G, their fans would hate that because they identify as SEC. 2) recruiting, ND is a small private university in the Midwest eith higher academic standards then all of the State schools in the B1G. They are afraid of becoming Northwestern. To be successful they believe that ND has to have a national schedule and having their home games on NBC is great for recruiting. They would lose control over all of that by joing the B1G.
The richest world wide religion that gets tides from churches. Priests, the pope now, and before, world leaders, nuns, and others. Is that considered imbesselment?Pretty corrupt.
ND's would play a national schedule in the expanded B1G.They would keep their biggest rival USC, and have access to traditional B1G rivals Michigan,Michigan State, and Purdue. The B1G could very well take on traditional ND ACC rivals FSU and Miami.Maybe even Stanford. There is talk that if the B1G takes on FSU and maybe Miami or Clemson, they go to 10 conference games. There would be pressure on USC and other ND rival B1G schools to end their OOC series with ND to save two cupcake OOC slots in their schedules. What good is it for ND to be independent and play a national schedule when they can't play traditional national rivals?
ND doesn't want to join a conference for a simple reason for decades, they would be middle of the pack at best. The other stuff is propaganda that people buy. FYI, ND academic ranking is the same as Michigan(difference of 1 spot, #20 & 21), below Northwestern #9 and soon to be member UCLA #15 and not far ahead of USC #28. Also, ND despite their bluster on academics bends for fball, Their only Championship in recent history 1988, the star QB Tony Rice was prop 48. Zorich and other stars players were far from bright bulbs. They had the Manti Teo nonsense, clearly not bright and as well as the cheating scandal a few years back of tutors doing fball players work. Also, other schools recruit nationally without a national schedule. Every top program has an array of kids, ie...Bama in the hot bed of the south got Tua from Hawaii & he helped them win a CFP Championship. Bama. GA, OSU. Michigan have kids from everywhere. The quality of their program draws people from everywhere.
@@davidb3422 The academic requirements for ND athletes are not what you think. The false lore is that that they have higher requirements than others and it hampers their athletic program. ND have and will take people just b/c their athletes, just like other schools, People that would not get in as a general candidate. You were given examples to dispel the lore you spouted...Tony Rice, Prop 48, Zorich, Golich, etc...were subpar students with poor credentials and they admitted it themselves after leaving in interviews
LOL Going into this realignment, the B1G had already waned to #3 in sports among the then P5 and will likely fall further behind the SEC after the P2 consolidation.
No change to what would cause ND to join a conference, one of two possible triggers: a) A revenue gap threatens the ability to remain competitive. ND just signed a high enough new deal. b) Reasonable (not optimal) access to the top-level playoff, etc. is at risk. Until the B1G/SEC consolidate deep/wide enough for s separate Tier 1 playoff, ND can stay associated with the ACC.
I would think that the disadvantages to Notre Dame remaining independent would need to become rather extreme before they would seriously consider joining a conference. Doubtful that it will happen until the B1G and the SEC start colluding to shut other schools out that are not in their conferences. Also, if the ACC starts losing it's top programs, they are unlikely to retain an automatic bid to CFP in the next round of negotiations. An ACC without FSU, UNC, UVA, VT, NC State, Miami, and Clemson will be so far behind the Big 12 in football that they won't be relevant anymore when it comes to the CFP.
ND will likely end up in the B1G. I imagine they’re waiting for the ACC to dissolve so they don’t have to buy out of the agreement they made during the COVID season (through 2035). With the recent FSU news, it seems like that’s gonna happen sooner rather than later. ND will likely bargain with the B1G to make them take Stanford as well. Then ND can keep its rivalries with them and USC plus renew its old rivalry with Michigan
Funny how all these universities teach about being inclusion and diversity. However when it comes to $$$$ it’s pretty obvious that capitalism is alive and well and DEI goes right out the window!
NOPE! Notre Dame is going STRAIGHT to the ACC. All of their other non-football sports are in the ACC. Furthermore, we in the Big Ten got enough drama with OSU vs Michigan. We're getting USC this year. The Big 10 conference isn't big enough for OSU vs UM and USC vs Notre Dame beefing all at the same time.
Notre Dame joined the ACC for all sports except football and hockey effective July 1, 2013. Joining another conference for football and hockey is going to present an interesting problem for their other sports and the ACC.
I think it is just a matter of time before ND joins the B1G, the networks will push it eventually. For those who say it will never happen, remember there was a time they were never going to play in a bowl game.
If the push is for 16, then ND doesn't really need to be concerned. Everyone is going to play the first weekend at that point and the Top 8 will be hosting the first round. Also, although Sankey popped off and said the SEC could have their own playoff. No one is going to want to see Vanderbilt vs Miss St. Even if it were B10/SEC only until you get to the semifinals, the TV ratings would be weak. Again, how many teams with 8-4 or 7-5 records does anyone want in the playoffs? This is much ado about nothing. The anti-trust laws are going to get involved if that's the way SEC/B10 wants. I'm pretty sure they don't.
Nothing says the BIG12 ,the ACC,and the G5 schools couldn't hold their own playoff system. The B1G/SEC are already at a great competative advantage over everone else with the new TV deals and are set to get even more advantage if/when they gut the ACC of it's biggest brands. Even medicore B1G/SEC schools get better regular season TV ratings then most upper tier BIG12/ACC schools. 8-4 or 7-5 SEC/B1G schools in the playoffs is less of a viewership concern then a 9-3 or 10-2 Big 12/ACC school that walked through a weak conference. It's overall strength of schedule and the amount of quality conference brands that matter. If Vandy and Mississippi St can get to 7-5 and get a playoff bid in a 16 team playoff,the game is going to draw viewers because they are SEC schools in post season games that matter. Sure.The odds are a Vandy or Miss St is one and done.But people would rather watch that then the same schools playing a random bowl game in Orlando.
ND will never join a conference as long as college football is governed by the NCAA. The playoff expansion solidifies that. They now have a 3 game window instead of 2. They can lose 3 games a year now and still be in contention for a playoff spot. What they can’t do is win a conference championship, unless they join the new PAC which has no money.
The one thing that will force ND into a conference would be not having a home for their non-football sports. If the ACC goes the way of the PAC 12, you will see ND in a conference.
This is such a waste of time because what are the chances that ND would be Number 1 when even a one loss SEC/Big Ten would be ranked ahead of a no loss ND because of SOS. Having the lower rated AAC schools making up almost half of the schedule would not help ND!
Who cares what ND does...really...they haven't won a national championship since 1988...NBC made a big mistake giving ND a TV deal....let them reap what they sow
They really just need to go to the top x number of teams regardless of conference. If by’s are given, give them to the top x teams. Forget this 5+7, 6+6, etc.
ND should have to join a conference. And I’m a fan. The time for the Irish to receive these football indulgences is gone. They load up with pastries every year. Navy, GaTech, Stanford, Purdue, etc. make them compete for a spot.
Great pod. Thanks! ND has NBC. They don't need a stinkin' conference for the next two years. It will be interesting to watch what happens to the current conferences (and FOX and ESPN's hold on them) over the next 2 years. Here's hoping for more outside media deals to shake up FOX' and ESPN's dreams of creating college football in the NFL model.
@@Alohanate2004 oh ok so USC can drop there game then? ND normally plays at least one more Big Ten game but here is what’s going to happen the Big Ten and SEC schedules are going to get a lot tougher meanwhile ND is still playing Sanford, Navy, and at least 2 more crap teams that are like buy weeks. So if they want any hope at all at even sniffing a playoff they will have to schedule a lot more SEC and Big Ten games. ND has rivalry’s with several Big Ten teams they have played for over 100 years. Add to that they are literally only 2-3 hours away from most of the core Big Ten schools that makes them rivals. In the end the writing is on the wall if you aren’t in the SEC or Big Ten your not getting a seat at the table.
I've said for years they were going to force ND into a conference, including people on this very channel. Although I think ND goes to the SEC out of spite. "they don't have to yet! Cry cry whine whine" They will. The writing is on the wall. Especially as the playoff continues to be altered over time to specifically only benefiting the B10/SEC.
ND joining the SEC pretty much makes a mockery of that program's devotion to tradition, independence, and playing a national slate of games. Why would the B1G (Including many traditional ND rivals such as USC, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, and maybe FSU, Miami, or even Stanford) reward such a snub by playing the Irish in protected rivalry games? If the Irish want to hang with a regional conference out of spite for the B1G, don't come around looking for B1G teams for a national slate of games.
The number of clicks driven by "Notre Dame must join a conference" and "FSU has new plan to get out of ACC" makes you wonder if these schools exist just to keep UA-camrs fed.
IMO the Big 12 You Tubers are obsessed with the destruction of the PAC and ACC. I think they are still a little hurt that the PAC and ACC tried that alignment with the Big 10 and left the Big 12 out to rot.
No kidding.
Well.. it is news and the FSU thing is most likely to happen. ND joining a conference would be huge.
@@TedNahas Yeah, yeah, heard it before about FSU. This is the third, fourth....fifth time? Every story there is some magical thing that descends from the heavens and makes their signatures go away like disappearing ink. Then two days later a judge comes out and says, "lol".
Notre Dame is actually starting the process today to get into the B1G. You may not hear anything about it for several days, but this is fact.
Geez, why is everybody making a big deal about this since the CFP meeting yesterday? This was known better than a year ago that ND would never get a bye in the new, 12-team playoff. The only thing that changed yesterday was going from 6 automatic conference champion qualifiers to now 5 automatic conference champions due to the collapse of the Pac-12. ND isn't joining a conference anytime soon. ND administration gave up the possibility of a bye since they do not play a conference championship game. Sounds fair to me.
We'll see what happens if they get cut out of revenue beyond 2026, money talks.
What loss of revenue are you talking about? They already signed their NBC contract that carries them thru the 2029 season. Money isn't an issue for Notre Dame. If the ACC folds, that is a completely different matter.
@@robertducanis4448 Does it look like the ACC is going to be stable?
@@robertducanis4448 money most certainly will be an issue in the long run for Notre Dame. Recruiting will be too. Their stubbornness will lead to further deterioration of their brand. Notre Dame has 11 National Championships but only 4 in the modern era: 1 in the 60s, 2 in the 70s, and 1 in the 80s. No national championship since. Doesn't help that Bama now has piles more national championships than Notre Dame. Notre Dame has a close to zero percent chance of ever being the brand they were when NBC first signed a deal with them.
As a B10 fan I like ND staying independent because it reminds me of what CFB used to be like. Also, ND coincidentally tends to "join" conferences that eventually implode (Big East, ACC).
Notre Dame has re-upped with NBC. NBC now carries Big Ten games. IF ND goes to a conference it's likely to be Big Ten.
Except for the agreement with the ACC where ND has to join the ACC in football should they drop independence... pending the ACC grant of rights debacle.
The lack of bye access is irrelevant. ND's previous AD Swarbrick was one of the four who designed the original 6+6 model and had already agreed to ND not being able to get a bye to keep their independent status. I'm guessing this part is being forgotten by the ones who think the lack of bye access might be the way to get them to join a conference. Maybe down the road if some type of breakaway happens and they have to join the new league sure. But the format over the next two years won't be the reason.
Certainly no school in history has been hyped more for its achievements over 75 years ago with not much to show for the last 75 years.
I'm not aware of ND being hyped at all.
Back in the day ND was a power
Notre Dame in the SEC? That seems like a culture clash. On the other hand, who would've guessed that UCLA would one day be in the same conference as Rutgers? Or that Stanford and Syracuse would join forces? I guess anything's possible.
That’s the point. The whole south would hate watch them with vitriol. It would be great TV and both sides would win
@@drizzle452 I can't speak for all SEC fan bases but I know LSU would love to play Notre Dame every year. Now only did our head coach used to coach them but there are a ton of Catholics down here who root for Notre Dame as a backup plan in case LSU isn't doing well. I know it would go over well with us.
@@drizzle452 Bruh relax on the imagined vitriol, it's not the 90s no one 'hates' ND anymore🤣 They need to actually *win* something like Bama or UGA.
But seriously, ND would make for some great TV matchups against SEC teams they rarely or have never played. LSU/ND and UT/ND were usually decent games historically.
I appreciate you looking out for notre dame .... bless you ...
If you think about ND’s playoff expectations and chances, the B1G and SEC actually decrease their odds, the SEC more so than the B1G, in making it into the CFP. Independence is still a better choice. Until and if the ACC implodes, their current status is still ND’s best choice. Even the Big XII has better odds for ND than either the B1G or the SEC, but when are chances getting into the CFP ever the driving force for ND.
Notre Dame may have an extra playoff game but wouldn't have a conf championship so it's the same number of games. And the first round of the playoff could be an easier game than any conf championship is they have the #1 seed.
This is a quality point.
your point is valid, but it is also true that someone (who is undefeated) could loose their conference championship game and still make the playoffs ... if someone loses in first round of playoffs, they are done ...
Great point! Would you rather play a conference championship game vs a tough team and then get a bye? Or have a bye during championship weekend and host a home game vs a G5 team, which is pretty much a guaranteed win?
@@bobackerman54True. But Notre Dame is never going to lose a game in Conference Championship week.
great point
I think ND is willing to trade the possibility of a bye for independence. I think pitting tradition against tradition could swing it. If both USC and Stanford were in the Big Ten but couldn’t schedule ND every year…take it from a BYU fan, independence is less fun if you can’t play whoever you want.
I think if the ACC breaks down, they swing to the Big Ten with Stanford, Pittsburgh, and GT.
The other 6 strong teams in the south could join the Big Ten or SEC as well. (FSU, Clemson, Duke, UVA, UNC, Miami)
@@frankschaefer8890 it will be interesting to watch this unfold. It’s easy to see what the Big Ten or SEC would do for any school, not so easy to see what Florida State does for them. I do think the SEC wants to keep pace with the Big Ten’s membership, but geography still seems important to them. UNC and Virginia would seem to have a better shot at SEC membership than FSU and Clemson.
@@frankschaefer8890 A different thought, if the ACC implodes why wouldn't they join the Big 12 if they felt the need to join a conference? The money is gong to be there regardless of conference. They will not let go of NBC's $$$, nor will NBC let go of ND. the Big 12 TV rights are both ESPN & FOX, they will want in on the viewer $$$ that Notre Dame brings and Notre Dame will think that the route to the playoffs will be easier thru the Big 12 than big 10 or SEC and that means more $$$ thru the playoffs TV package. Just a different thought process that makes more sense to me.
@@frankschaefer8890 lol.. you haven't paid attention at all. Pitt, Gt, Duke, does not have the revenue it takes to keep up with B1G. Stanford does not have the football revenue. None of these schools will be in the B1G or SEC. It comes down to revenue and viewership. FSU, ND, Clemson, Miami to B1G and UNC, UVA to SEC. After that happens realignment is through.
@@aBrewster29UNC and Virginia fit B1G academically far more. I could see FSU going B1G because espn and the playoff screwed them. AAU membership moves make it seem like B1G is the first choice for both Miami and FSU. Clemson doesn’t move the SEC needle much.
John, as a fan of the University for 40 years, I'd love to discuss this with you. The amount of false information and click bait headlines concerning ND and a conference is just plain false. Unless the governing body of the CFP puts the proverbial gun to the school's head and says, "Join or no playoff", or, if NBC decides they can't pay ND what they're asking, they will never join a conference. They simply don't need to. They don't care about the first round bye. Part of the deal with them staying independent. And it's fair. They're a national brand, always have been. They go to California once a year, and play 6 games a year in acc up and down the coast, as well as scheduling neutral site games in New York. They do not need a conference, and anyone that thinks otherwise, is misinformed, or just a jealous fan.
ND will not get a buy, but they will get a home game if they are in the top standings. This is not the case for conference champions. Last ND will have a buy, during the other conference championship games so it all works out. If you really know, you know. ND has stronger pull than you might think.
It’s “bye”.
SEC and Big 10 already have their Notre Dames in Vanderbilt and Northwestern.
You can’t be serious?
A lot of Notre Dame’s historical rivalries are in the Big 10 especially with Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State all three have been big-time arrivals of Notre Dame in the past. And Notre Dame joining the Big 10 what solidify the historic rivals for the future.
ACC needs to fix this problem quickly. ESPN/ACC negatively publicity is really troubling & concerning. FSU should pay nothing to leave !!!!!!!!
Well there’s that pesky little thing called agreements documented on paper. If they are as legally binding as they appear to be, All the rhetoric is not going to Free Florida State for free.
Now with regard to Notre Dame. It’s quite possible that they get “exceptions” as they always have. What options does the number one brand in college football have? They negotiate! The school has enormous entertainment draw. The school has enormous financial reserves. What if the NCAA and SEC Stonewall them, they could look to a split from the NCAA, quite possibly taking some big names with them. All I’m saying is that Notre Dame has power in their assets. Don’t ignore them.
ND fan here. They should absolutely join the Big Ten. SEC is not a fit. It’s been long enough.
Great, pertinent and concise content, thank you John!
Florida State might reconsider leaving the ACC if Notre Dame joined the ACC?
yeah, SEC and BIG TEN trying to get all these AQ's and eating up the spots. Asking for four each. I'm not saing they will get that, but holy smokes! ND might not have a spot to get in the CFB playoffs without being in one of thsoe.
If the CFP goes to 16 teams, imo the B1G and SEC would want 6 teams apiece, that would still allow for Notre Dame to have its slot, the Big12 would have a slot, the ACC would have a slot and lastly, the highest ranked G5 team would have a slot. No byes and all first round games are home field games. Everyone is happy. Of course the B1G and SEC would take 80 percent of the CFP money while the others have to share the remaining 20 percent but it’s the current landscape of college football so maybe not everyone’s too happy.
Actually Greg Sankey prefers no AQ’s period and has said as much. Of course no ones goi g to go along with that. LOL
"the contract the ACC has with Notre Dame after the 2020 COVID inclusion of Notre Dame into the ACC for season play in the COVID year, there is a stipulation that if Notre Dame joins a conference before 2036, it must be the ACC. "
Source?
Yea baby!
The ACC is finished
Like a Phoenix baby!
It will still be the same number of games for Notre Dame. Every conference champion will have played a conference championship game. So effectively they have to play 4 games to win the National Championship as well. Notre Dame, no conference championship game but have to play a first round game. Works out the same.
1: Should Notre Dame join a conference? YES! 🤬
2: Notre Dame needs to go to the BIG TEN! 🤬
They won’t join a conference. No need to. They don’t play a championship game and would be set up to play a first round home game.
Exactly. By not having to play a conference championship game they get a bye. ND has everything they want. They extended their NBC football deal, basketball and other sports are parked on the ACC Network and their rival Stanford is about to join the ACC. If anything they may extend the number of ACC football games they play to 6 or 7 should it become harder to schedule Big 10 and SEC opponents due to increased conference games in those conferences.
ND won’t join a conference unless they somehow lose their path to the college playoffs. That’s it.
wrong. Notre Dame is in the ACC except for 60% of their football schedule. They already aren't independent. The wheels have actually started moving today to exit the ACC and join the B1G.
No conference championship game, no NCAA championship for ND.
ND to the Big12 would be interesting in my mind. Due to them having an easier path to a conference championship there. Really only having to compete with 2-3 other teams.
Big 12 is a HUGE PAY CUT AND MID MAJOR. Not gonna happen.
With Texas and Oklahoma gone, we would run that conference. No competition.
@@jaredslabaugh3181 I do think you’d be In for a surprise with Utah but I could easily see us battling it out year after year
@@noahlewis6776 Notre Dame wins 4 out 5 against Utah
I’d rather have Notre Dame to join the Big Ten than the SEC!
There’s only so many non conference games you can schedule. The Irish’s schedule is going to start getting thin during conference play. B1G bound.
Notre Dame to ACC! Yea baby!
Agreed and maybe just thow in Tulane and Uconn to fill the holes FSU and Clemson may leave if they depart for the SEC.
HOPING THEY WON’T SLEEP WITH ESPN. NO MEDIA MOGUL SHOULD HAVE A MONOPOLY ON CFP OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL. NEVER! ESPN’S GREED RUINED THE BOWL SEASON WITH THEM CONTROLLING ALL THE GAMES BUT A FEW.
Yes they may have to. They really have no choice. Great pod as always, John.
Notre Dame will join the Big 10 with Florida State, Miami (FL), UNC, Virginia, and Georgia Tech.
FSU & Miami going to the Big10 would GET THEM the state of Florida media market & recruiting. SEC would drastically weaken.
ND also doesn't have to play a conference championship game. If the BIG/SEC trying to set multiple guaranteed bids, what are they afraid of? If they have the best teams, what's to worry? I think BIG12/ACC need to say no. The request is about throwing weight around--- it is asking for unearned bids because if earned then what's the issue?
Because the B1G and SEC who do have the best teams want that reality formally recognized as fact on paper. They don't want a situation
where a second place BIG12/ACC school gets a playoff bid over a 3rd or 4th place B1G/SEC team, based on wins in a weaker conference because the committee doesn't put enough importance on strength of schedule.
The B1G and SEC are throwing their weight around because they can. They would get the biggest TV deal because their schools deliver viewers.
If the BIG 12 and ACC don't like it,they can bounce. They wouldn't get anywhere near B1G/SEC money for a second tier playoff.
The BIG 12 and ACC are over a barrel and they know it.
Anyone that thought “this isn’t gonna be a big deal, committees don’t accomplish anything” was foolish.
This is awful for the landscape of college football.
Notre Dame wants to stay as Independent, and will refuse to join the Big 10 or SEC. They would be the misfit that would disrupt the apple cart at the P2. They would rather join the ACC as a full member. They like their basketball and football, and ACC have the better men's basketball.
The playoff needs to get rid of this "at large" shit. Either join a conference or get left behind, that's how it should be! They should be in the BI0 because the majority of their rivals are all in that conference anyway, its a perfect fit.
If Notre Dame does not join the Big Ten Then it is likely that even if Notre Dame is number one in a country at the last week of the season, they won’t be number one when the playoff starts.
If notre dame goes anywhere its big10 where their culture and rivals reside
I hate the idea of 2 huge conferences. Conferences need to remain regional.
I think this will finally make Notre Dame Join a Conference. Also Jon could you come on live after the Women’s Basketball game tonight? It starts at 6:30.
Notre Dame will never join a conference it’s part of the branding being independent unless according to AD himself “unless there was an unfair path to the playoff” A one or two loss Notre Dame might certainly always get into the playoffs, but Notre Dame can never be ranked inside the top CFP five but I honestly don’t think they care.
Dude if the ACC falls apart Notre Dame will have no choice
Money will not be an issue, NBC will always pony up competitive money, they provide great ratings. Playoff access, as long as they don't have more than two loses they will probably get an invite. Never getting a first round bye, they've already stated they don't care about that cause they don't play a conference championship game. The only issue...if the ACC dies, they need a conference for their non revenue sports. Hockey is in the BIG. Big East for basketball? AAC? The BIG would not accept a friends with benefits arrangement like the ACC. ND wants the ACC to survive.
Got to push back on Big Ten and SEC getting multiple guaranteed playoff bids. Don't mind these two conferences earning multiple bids but guaranteeing a certain number of bids. Nope!
I would have no problem with 16 as long as a conference can't get 3 until the 4 P5's have 2.
It would suck to be the XII runner-up who lost to an undefeated team in double OT and get passed over because OSU, UM, PSU, UO & UW beat the basement of the B1G and only have a couple losses because they only played 1 or 2 top teams.
ND ain't joining a conference. They have enough money and pull to do whatever they want to. No one is forcing their hand.
haters have been trying to force ND to do things for over 100 years
That would ruin the SEC championship game
Very good story John
Acc Big 12 merger and SEC Basketball 🏀
Hell no... ND doesn't need a conference.
ND could care less about a bye. You have to win out regardless in the playoffs
I think ND goes to the B1G, “if” FSU goes. ND would ask for 4 protected games. USC-Washington-FSU and Maryland. This would keep a cross country/independent vibe,while still being in a conference.
USC, Michigan, Purdue, and Stanford* would probably be their protected rivalries.
@@stephen4907 I think this, sans Stanford.
@@raleighsanford5111 Yup, switch out Stanford for MSU. ND has historically ended the season in CA, at either USC or Stanford. With USC it’s a Rivalry, with Stanford it was my understanding that it’s a logistical decision based on recruiting (taking advantage of being on the West Coast.)
@@ElleYeah13 I think the B1G made it obvious that they have zero interest in Stanford, or any former PAC team they don't already have. We are heading toward either 3 conferences of 20 or 2 conferences of 48 & either way, Stanford and Cal are more likely to end up with Oregon State & Washington State than in "The New D1".
If ND joins a conference it will be ACC. Keeps FSU in and TV contract renegotiated. ND is contractually obligated to do so if they join a conference prior to 2036. ND needs to join with this new playoff format.
Wrong.
The problem with this logic, which I suspect the powers concerned secretly acknowledge, is that Notre Dame is unlikely to ever make the playoff in the Big 10 (or SEC, which I couldn't see them joining). That's why it's acceptable to them to give up the right to a top-4 bye. That's why it was also a mistake for USC to bolt for the Big 10 (or, on the flipside, for the Big 10 to accept them); are you going to get Ohio State, Michigan, and USC all in the playoff? No! But USC and Oregon might both have gotten into the playoff if the Pac-12 were still together. Same thing with the SEC and OU/UT; with everybody beating up on each other--UGa misses the four-team playoff this year???--I suspect OU in particular may come to rue the day they left the Big 12.
The new playoff brackets INSURE that Notre Dame does not have to join a conference. ND just made their position stronger
I agree. It’s a win for the viability of Notre Dame’s continued football conference independence.
Jack s of notre dame agreed to play 1st round and not get a bye if they're 12-0. To keep independence
Notre Dame contractually has to join the ACC
All dependant on what happens after 2 years
The B10 & SEC will get multi bids per year no matter what. The team that loses the Conf champ game for both are getting in and the 3rd place team is assured too. The P2 are getting at least 6 spots combined and likely 1 other team yearly..so 7 of the 12 spots are going to them yearly and in some years 8. If you look at the top 12 teams ranked in the CFP last season, it was 11 teams that will be in the B10 or SEC for the 2024 season.
Keep this in mind: There's no guarantee that there would be enough B1G or SEC teams where they'd dominate the CFP bracket without the B1G/SEC scheme to squeeze out the Big 12 and other leagues.
2 reasons why ND doesn't want to join a conference. 1) it's their identity, it's like saying Alabama should join the B1G, their fans would hate that because they identify as SEC. 2) recruiting, ND is a small private university in the Midwest eith higher academic standards then all of the State schools in the B1G. They are afraid of becoming Northwestern. To be successful they believe that ND has to have a national schedule and having their home games on NBC is great for recruiting. They would lose control over all of that by joing the B1G.
The richest world wide religion that gets tides from churches. Priests, the pope now, and before, world leaders, nuns, and others. Is that considered imbesselment?Pretty corrupt.
ND's would play a national schedule in the expanded B1G.They would keep their biggest rival USC, and have access to traditional B1G rivals
Michigan,Michigan State, and Purdue. The B1G could very well take on traditional ND ACC rivals FSU and Miami.Maybe even Stanford.
There is talk that if the B1G takes on FSU and maybe Miami or Clemson, they go to 10 conference games. There would be pressure on USC
and other ND rival B1G schools to end their OOC series with ND to save two cupcake OOC slots in their schedules.
What good is it for ND to be independent and play a national schedule when they can't play traditional national rivals?
ND doesn't want to join a conference for a simple reason for decades, they would be middle of the pack at best. The other stuff is propaganda that people buy. FYI, ND academic ranking is the same as Michigan(difference of 1 spot, #20 & 21), below Northwestern #9 and soon to be member UCLA #15 and not far ahead of USC #28. Also, ND despite their bluster on academics bends for fball, Their only Championship in recent history 1988, the star QB Tony Rice was prop 48. Zorich and other stars players were far from bright bulbs. They had the Manti Teo nonsense, clearly not bright and as well as the cheating scandal a few years back of tutors doing fball players work. Also, other schools recruit nationally without a national schedule. Every top program has an array of kids, ie...Bama in the hot bed of the south got Tua from Hawaii & he helped them win a CFP Championship. Bama. GA, OSU. Michigan have kids from everywhere. The quality of their program draws people from everywhere.
@@grobble8954 not sure you understood my post but that's okay. Also, there is a difference between academic ranking and academic requirements.
@@davidb3422 The academic requirements for ND athletes are not what you think. The false lore is that that they have higher requirements than others and it hampers their athletic program. ND have and will take people just b/c their athletes, just like other schools, People that would not get in as a general candidate. You were given examples to dispel the lore you spouted...Tony Rice, Prop 48, Zorich, Golich, etc...were subpar students with poor credentials and they admitted it themselves after leaving in interviews
They fit better with the B1G
Norte Dame to the B1G!!!! Best conference in all of sports!!!!
LOL Going into this realignment, the B1G had already waned to #3 in sports among the then P5 and will likely fall further behind the SEC after the P2 consolidation.
Notre Dame hasn't won a meaningful game since I was a kid and I'm 47 now, ND dare we say is irrelevant in today's game?
Notre dame will join the B1G when the ACC falls apart and their deal with the ACC is rendered useless
No change to what would cause ND to join a conference, one of two possible triggers:
a) A revenue gap threatens the ability to remain competitive. ND just signed a high enough new deal.
b) Reasonable (not optimal) access to the top-level playoff, etc. is at risk. Until the B1G/SEC consolidate deep/wide enough for s separate Tier 1 playoff, ND can stay associated with the ACC.
ND is not going to join a conference. They have a new TV deal and a new deal with Under Armor. That's OK we will be good.
ND needs to be in the Big 10 IMO
In 2 years the Big 12 and the ACC will have their automatic bye status revoked. Both leagues will prove that they do not deserve a top 4 seed.
I would think that the disadvantages to Notre Dame remaining independent would need to become rather extreme before they would seriously consider joining a conference. Doubtful that it will happen until the B1G and the SEC start colluding to shut other schools out that are not in their conferences.
Also, if the ACC starts losing it's top programs, they are unlikely to retain an automatic bid to CFP in the next round of negotiations. An ACC without FSU, UNC, UVA, VT, NC State, Miami, and Clemson will be so far behind the Big 12 in football that they won't be relevant anymore when it comes to the CFP.
ND will likely end up in the B1G. I imagine they’re waiting for the ACC to dissolve so they don’t have to buy out of the agreement they made during the COVID season (through 2035). With the recent FSU news, it seems like that’s gonna happen sooner rather than later. ND will likely bargain with the B1G to make them take Stanford as well. Then ND can keep its rivalries with them and USC plus renew its old rivalry with Michigan
No they won’t. No they don’t need to either.
Funny how all these universities teach about being inclusion and diversity. However when it comes to $$$$ it’s pretty obvious that capitalism is alive and well and DEI goes right out the window!
NOPE! Notre Dame is going STRAIGHT to the ACC. All of their other non-football sports are in the ACC. Furthermore, we in the Big Ten got enough drama with OSU vs Michigan. We're getting USC this year. The Big 10 conference isn't big enough for OSU vs UM and USC vs Notre Dame beefing all at the same time.
Dafuq? So too many intense rivalries is why ND shouldn’t join the B1G? Genius….
Notre Dame joined the ACC for all sports except football and hockey effective July 1, 2013. Joining another conference for football and hockey is going to present an interesting problem for their other sports and the ACC.
A single league playoff? Big in SEC country. Snoozer for the rest of the country.
ND is not going to join a conference in FB anytime soon. ND will be able to host a playoff game not being a top 4 conference winner.
How many schools will do what Wichita State did in the 80's, DROP FOOTBALL?????
I think it is just a matter of time before ND joins the B1G, the networks will push it eventually. For those who say it will never happen, remember there was a time they were never going to play in a bowl game.
I hate what is happening to college football. Its a race to the bottom
Well now you have back track on this whole video 😂😂
Nd can't join any other conference because they have a deal acc till 2025 I do know
If the push is for 16, then ND doesn't really need to be concerned. Everyone is going to play the first weekend at that point and the Top 8 will be hosting the first round. Also, although Sankey popped off and said the SEC could have their own playoff. No one is going to want to see Vanderbilt vs Miss St. Even if it were B10/SEC only until you get to the semifinals, the TV ratings would be weak. Again, how many teams with 8-4 or 7-5 records does anyone want in the playoffs? This is much ado about nothing. The anti-trust laws are going to get involved if that's the way SEC/B10 wants. I'm pretty sure they don't.
Nothing says the BIG12 ,the ACC,and the G5 schools couldn't hold their own playoff system. The B1G/SEC are already at a great competative
advantage over everone else with the new TV deals and are set to get even more advantage if/when they gut the ACC of it's biggest brands.
Even medicore B1G/SEC schools get better regular season TV ratings then most upper tier BIG12/ACC schools.
8-4 or 7-5 SEC/B1G schools in the playoffs is less of a viewership concern then a 9-3 or 10-2 Big 12/ACC school that walked through a weak conference.
It's overall strength of schedule and the amount of quality conference brands that matter. If Vandy and Mississippi St can get to 7-5 and get a playoff bid in a 16 team playoff,the game is going to draw viewers because they are SEC schools in post season games that matter.
Sure.The odds are a Vandy or Miss St is one and done.But people would rather watch that then the same schools playing a random bowl
game in Orlando.
ND will never join a conference as long as college football is governed by the NCAA. The playoff expansion solidifies that. They now have a 3 game window instead of 2. They can lose 3 games a year now and still be in contention for a playoff spot. What they can’t do is win a conference championship, unless they join the new PAC which has no money.
The one thing that will force ND into a conference would be not having a home for their non-football sports. If the ACC goes the way of the PAC 12, you will see ND in a conference.
This is such a waste of time because what are the chances that ND would be Number 1 when even a one loss SEC/Big Ten would be ranked ahead of a no loss ND because of SOS. Having the lower rated AAC schools making up almost half of the schedule would not help ND!
I'd say Notre Dame joins BIG
Florida State & Miami going to the Big10 would GET THEM the state of Florida media market & recruiting. SEC would drastically weaken.
Who cares what ND does...really...they haven't won a national championship since 1988...NBC made a big mistake giving ND a TV deal....let them reap what they sow
They really just need to go to the top x number of teams regardless of conference. If by’s are given, give them to the top x teams. Forget this 5+7, 6+6, etc.
ND should have to join a conference. And I’m a fan. The time for the Irish to receive these football indulgences is gone. They load up with pastries every year. Navy, GaTech, Stanford, Purdue, etc. make them compete for a spot.
Name one school that doesn't have cupcakes on their schedule
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They’ll get it changed to allow themselves a bye
Great pod. Thanks! ND has NBC. They don't need a stinkin' conference for the next two years. It will be interesting to watch what happens to the current conferences (and FOX and ESPN's hold on them) over the next 2 years. Here's hoping for more outside media deals to shake up FOX' and ESPN's dreams of creating college football in the NFL model.
Top 4 teams don't get buys either,they have to play conference championship games.
ND does not need to join a conference, they are ND and is the ONLY school that can stand on their own. All you ND haters deal with it
Can the anti-trust rules be used to break up the B1G & SEC if they control football? 🙂
It would be a complete shock if they went to the SEC especially when almost all there rival games are in the Big Ten
The SEC is not a cultural fit for Notre Dame. I don’t see a day in which Notre Dame would ever commit to 8 or 9 SEC games.
What rival games? Notre Dame hardly plays any Big ten teams anymore.
@@Alohanate2004 oh ok so USC can drop there game then? ND normally plays at least one more Big Ten game but here is what’s going to happen the Big Ten and SEC schedules are going to get a lot tougher meanwhile ND is still playing Sanford, Navy, and at least 2 more crap teams that are like buy weeks. So if they want any hope at all at even sniffing a playoff they will have to schedule a lot more SEC and Big Ten games. ND has rivalry’s with several Big Ten teams they have played for over 100 years. Add to that they are literally only 2-3 hours away from most of the core Big Ten schools that makes them rivals. In the end the writing is on the wall if you aren’t in the SEC or Big Ten your not getting a seat at the table.
Video starts at 1:20
Its not likely a BIG 12 or ACC team would deserve a bye week in this scenario, this is dumb.
A Home game and get Hot or a bye week and play someone who is 1-0 in the playoffs i am a notre dame fan I pick a home game
No we won’t join a conference
I've said for years they were going to force ND into a conference, including people on this very channel. Although I think ND goes to the SEC out of spite.
"they don't have to yet! Cry cry whine whine" They will. The writing is on the wall. Especially as the playoff continues to be altered over time to specifically only benefiting the B10/SEC.
ND joining the SEC pretty much makes a mockery of that program's devotion to tradition, independence, and playing a national slate of games.
Why would the B1G (Including many traditional ND rivals such as USC, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, and maybe FSU, Miami,
or even Stanford) reward such a snub by playing the Irish in protected rivalry games? If the Irish want to hang with a regional conference out of spite for the B1G, don't come around looking for B1G teams for a national slate of games.
@@TheLAGopher They really hate Michigan that much.