Why was the comment section turned off with Dr. Anderson’s interview and not here. The dialogue is just as important if we want to have full context of where people are and how they feel. It almost shows a level biases with something as simple as that.
They were turned on but some people started showing their true colors so 🤷🏾♀️ it was really sad honestly comment section so disgusting I couldn't finish the video the first time
@@sammagny6548 That’s actually my point. The comment section would make the case and the truth that can’t be denied. People cry about us moving on and not looking back. It’s still here and a problem. In every crime most perpetrators want the victim to be quite and move on so there’s no accountable. They’ve tried to tokenize and patronize but not rectify. We need to see people rawness and allow them to expose themselves. It’s very uncomfortable but those who are looking through rose colored glasses need to face the reality. We can’t keep making other people comfortable at the experience of our lives. That’s insane. What’s funny they are the ones who opened up this can of worms.
His quoting Dr Anderson is a little misleading. While she did say everything that she said, he forgets the very first thing she said, "Critical Race Theory ISN'T taught in schools".
That is actually a deception bvased on concepts from an obscure part of philosophy not addressed in any other discipline. The truth is, they don't 'teach' CRT in K-12. That would involve explaining then having them memorize Marxist concepts. That does not happen. I know this bc my wife is a teacher and was mandated to take the training last summer, "EQUITY 2021! Using post-Marxist Principles!" Anyway, it is more that they covertly slip concepts in that create confusion and divisiveness, such as telling black kids (K,1st and 2nd) that they are not to see themselves first as VICTIMS and only second as black ppl. Also, they are convinced their little white friends are inherently racist and they are going to oppress them when they can. Until then, develop a vigilance about them. And, to the white kids, they tell them they are inherently racist. Here's the thing...well, another thing... IF you want to NEGATE past ABUSIVENESS to you, they need to negate that by being CARING, RESPECTFUL and KIND and APOLOGETIC with enough consistency that you can start to believe it is now who they are, right? There is no other way to resolve that. If you want to NEGATE DARKNESS, you do that with LIGHT. If you want to NEGATE EVIL, you do that with LIGHT. IF you want to NEGATE RACISM, you do that with TOLLERANCE and FAIRNESS. Also, be willing to talk about any bad feelings that come up from the past. Just decide ahead of time to respectfully answer every question the other person will ever ask so their DOUBT and DISTRUST will become truly satisfied. SO, WHY DOES CRT NEVER MENTION ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
@@tonybparalegal Bull! It is not now and never will be the duty of any black person to tolerate the bigoted or racist questions of a random white person. All you described was your wife taking an Intrinsic Bias training course. That doesn't translate to the curriculum. CRT doesn't say anything about the divisiveness you're so desperate to put onto it. All it does is analyze how/why even after landmark legislation like the Voting Rights & Civil Rights Acts we still see disproportionate adverse outcomes for POC's. All of this from a legal standpoint. Because Critical Race Theory is an offshoot of Critical Legal Theory. You're embarrassing yourself. Do better...please?
The nature of their position is steadfast faith in what they were raised to believe. I applaud them for trying to learn as adults should, but it's a huge uphill battle for binary thinkers like this, where their "0" is the "Good" they've been fed their whole lives, and "1" is "Evil" they've been taught to omit and ignore. Until the reality of a hard personal consequence literally flips their individual life upside down (say, on a laterally related conservative issue, this guy's wife dies of Covid after a maskless party) they have very little trouble living in ignorance that fits the "0".
@@BugJuiceFlavor Basicly because the foudation of racism is in the new caitalist system and it roots will be desroyed in the coming socailist revolution.
It always strikes me as interesting when people credit Christian abolitionists with ending enslavement as if there were no Christian slaveowners or justifications for slavery in the Bible.
@@Mike_Jones281 No True Scotsman would suggest that one kind of Christian says the others are not Christian. To say there are different kinds of Christians doesn’t imply only one kind of Christianity is valid. It just means Protestants aren’t Catholics, Lutherans aren’t Mormons…Quakers aren’t Episcopalians. Quakers bought and sold slaves at first, but by the mid 18th century they were the first denomination to widely denounce slavery, prohibit slavery among its members, petition the government to end slavery, and participate in political activism in support of abolition. In other words, there were different kinds of Christians.
@Maargen Bx I get your point, and you are right. My point is while there are many sects of Christianity, those sects, by their existence, are suggesting that their tenants are the only way to get into the kingdom of heaven. The fact that other Christians have different beliefs (whom they presumably disagree with) is disingenuous and defects the Bible, possibly contradicting them. The Bible explicitly condones and regulates slavery. At best, the Quakers cherry-picked the parts of the Bible to fit their view despite the word of God, allegedly.
I noticed when Dr. Anderson spoke the Glasgows didn’t understand what she said. She didn’t say CRT “shouldn’t be taught in schools.” She said that CRT *is not taught at all* outside of law school - it’s a method to evaluate the way law creates racial disparity. She did NOT say “what CRT discovers should be taught in schools”. She said that what’s taught in schools is the history of the US when it comes to race, but those opposed to that call it CRT because the word “race” is in that phrase, and that’s used to galvanize people against the teaching of history. I could see that the couple walked into the conversation with Dr. Anderson with the idea that CRT was being taught to kids, and walked out with the idea that CRT was being taught to kids.
Thank you! I wanted to type the same thing. This is why it is important to ask what is your understanding of what was said? What did you learn today that you didn't know previously? This disconnect is very concerning.
His summary of what he learned was really off. He missed the part about history textbooks teaching that the civil war was not about slavery. And that even the word is replaced by “immigrant workers”. It’s mind blowing how anyone can hear that and just forget about it or not see the negative implications of it.
Why did they keep going back to crt being taught in grade schools, when it's been abundantly and clearly explained that it is a class that is only taught in certain LAW schools, not to children? How many times does it have to be explained to them?
Exactly. Also, why is “parents skeptical of crt” even a topic? That’s like asking “why parents don’t want classes on how to burn down buildings.” The class isn’t being taught - period. This was more like “why parents are nervous about their kids learning about race, diversity and systemic issues.” Dr Anderson was clear that CRT isn’t being taught in k-12 learning or even in undergraduate studies.
7? 7 times 77? There is no amount of explaining to be done? Their purpose is to confirm the bias is those who think the same way do…and possibly to pick up a few converts
Wrong. The pandemic has opened a window in to what the kids have actually been getting taught and the results were frightening. This was the reason for the red wave in the the special elections and the massive tsunami that is sure to come in midterms. Parents are sick of their kids being taught this nonsensical racist hatred/self-loathing.
@@jquick3993 please stop. The “goal” isn’t to do any of that. And no curriculum says it. That’s just something those on the right have said in response to the fact that crt isn’t being taught in k-12 education. Teaching about slavery isn’t CRT. Teaching about MLK’s writings isn’t crt. Neither is reading Toni Morrison’s “Beloved.” But racist lying disingenuous clowns on the right have gotten their base all frothy-mouthed and angry talking about “It’s crt!!!” It’s not. And pointing out the systems set in place in this country where race was largely a determinant of who had rights, resources or true access to the American dream is not “corrosive.” It’s accurate.
Because that's the buzzword that keeps being thrown around. CRT has become synonymous with simple critical thinking regarding the effects of race relations throughout history.
@@kw2080 Anyone who would set out to try to “expose them as lacking” would fail. Because they aren’t lacking in any genuine way. And they would probably only expose themselves as ignorant. Nobody wants to hear someone who lacks empathy going on about some crazy conspiracy theory that this is all part of a nefarious plot to harm their kids. We get that in the news every day. It’s not “propaganda” to fully listen to something before making a sweeping judgment of it, while asking clarifying questions. It’s not meant to be a debate. It’s so people can learn more about a topic they may only have gotten a one-sided view of.
@@michellesvintagelibrary by definition, this was a one sided view. You speak highly of one sided propaganda. I’m not sure if I said anything about a debate, but both sides can be discussed intellectually;it is possible even if you are ignorant of intellectual discussions. That by the way, is probably the issue with this discussion. There should have been push back on the flawed parts. Obviously, this video segment was a scam. The expert would not be able to support this as a test. There is no meaning to one participant having a moderate racial bias and the other having a slight.There is no meaning to this as an individual test at all. Her interpretation should’ve had additional clarification. It was a scam. I can say that as an expert in the area myself.
@@kw2080 Considering the fact that all conservatives hear all day long is one sided propaganda against CRT, this video series is providing an opportunity to hear it directly from people who understand it, and that is necessary. If the news (and opinion shows that now are passing for news) were doing this sort of thing every day (presenting a positive side of the issue as well as the usual onslaught of negativity) this type of in depth discussion would be unnecessary. But it’s very necessary because people these days are opinionated but sadly uninformed.
The professor was so nervous. Her energy demonstrated that no matter how she tried to hide her fears, her body was quite aware. She seemed afraid of the truth that the parents were typical racists. She seemed nervous about interacting with them. Imagine how Black people feel around these same type of parents. The truth of America. You cannot hide.
I don't believe those people were racist at all. They were ignorant, and they were willing to be educated. That should be applauded, NOT condemned. As for the Professor, I just thought she was nervous about being on national television and the world wide web. I could be wrong about why she seemed nervous, but then again, you could be wrong, too. #JustSayin
@@KTBroadcasting Your comment implies I could be correct, which I AM! My thoughts and beliefs are mine, not yours. Most trolls like yourself cannot handle Black people who see straight through the body language and comments of other races. Watch someone like Jane Elliott and learn more about the context of your denial. Have a great weekend.
@@theExpansionwithVanessa Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm black. And my thoughts & beliefs are mine as well, but you opted to comment, so I am free to say what I like. And I did not imply anything. You inferred.
@@theExpansionwithVanessa oof found the racist... the presenter is nervous because you have to be maladjusted to go about telling people they are racist based of aof an implicit bias test so thoroughly debunked *it's inventors disavowed it* your CRT idea sucks if you're racist your racist if you're not racist you are also racist, because you dont see it, AND I CAN TELL BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN AND (WRONGLY PERCEIVED IN THIS CASE) THE COLOR OF YOURS. these ideas come straight from marxists like marcuse, and were intended to divide people for the purposes of revolution. 100's of millions of people died due to the abject failures of class marxism IN THE 20TH CENTURY and handing the next revolution over to racists with a doctrine of resentment isn't going to happen. people are waking up to the truth of CRT and other critical theories and how it's bad ideas are being smuggled into everything Critical theories only know how to criticize but they cannot build anything...they are cultural poison which is why you have to teach them to children and mandate them at businesses. good ideas just get uptaken into the cultuee easily... those of us that believe in content of character will win....
It doesn't make you look non-racist when you say I don't like the word race. Regardless of if you like the word or not, race is something that affects billions of people and it is a very real thing.
There is absolutely no such thing as race. Not really. Not by any scientific or anthropoligical standard, anyway. But you're right. I don't like the word at all, but as the entire world doesn't exist in Academia, it will be a long, loooong time before everyone realizes there is no such thing. In the meantime, we DO need to be aware of 'race' and how it impacts people.
Ok but there is no such thing As credit....like physically. But we don't treat that like it doesn't exist...it has real impacted and is a very real thing!
@@melaniebruton6291 I understand, completely. This is why I tell people who say they are 'color-blind' that it isn't the solution, but part of the problem. However, I for one, hope that we continue to strive for a time when we CAN exist with the global understanding that Race is not real. And for the record, I feel the same way about things like credit. LOL
he nitpicks a lot and looks for loop holes and ways to convince the interviewee that his random exceptions are as strong as the prevailing experience of people of color.
In all these interviews you can tell they think they have some overall superior general knowledge, that they will be the real teachers. They will misinterpret a point and then say okay we agree on that... ugh
@@anothercitizen4867 However, SJWs also feel they have some superior general knowledge as well; that's just a human trait. SJW programs sound good in theory but haven't helped to improve a declining society. The recurring pattern seems to be that whenever societies distance themselves from "God", they die.
Understand what you mean, but I thought he was playing devils advocate, and basically expressing what a lot of white think and feel. I still think it's good they're having these conversations, it's a start to opening a space for meaningful change.
What he called tokenism has nothing to do with actual tokenism. He just described tracking social attributes to prevent discrimination. Tokenism (he really should look it up) is more about using someone from a discriminated group as prop to justify/pretend not doing any discrimination. E.g. when people say they can't be racist BECAUSE they have a poc friend, or when the proud boys push one of their black member as their leader when he's actually just a face and don't really lead them; or when a poc artist or celebrity is only called to appear on the news when there is a social issue involving a poc, whether it has something to do with said celebrity or not, whether they have an opinion on the mater or not. There are many examples of tokenism, but what he described is not one. Also, all throughout this exchange, it was clear the interview had not much idea about the subjects they were talking about, and had to figure out what it was and how to connect that to her area of expertise. That's messed up and it's not even her fault. It was functionally equivalent to asking people in the street, really. This interview was just annoying.
I’ve been watching these videos where this couple engages in conversations about race. I think they & folks need to ask themselves a few questions. 1.) What was the point of slavery an Jim Crow? A minority of people owned slaves. A minority of people were klan members. But there’s was massive efforts & resources dedicated to maintaining the system. Why? Even most abolitionist who like to think as heroes in the fight against slaver didn’t actually agree with equal rights. They only thought slavery itself was wrong. What was it that they were protecting? 2.) What the the opposition do when progress was made? When slavery ended, how did people respond? When laws were passed to protect the rights of the formerly enslaved, did everyone agree with those laws? And if not what did they do? When desegregation, voting rights, and housing discrimination were all outlawed, did the masses of people who opposed those changes just accept the new normal without consternation? What did the leaders and politicians who opposed progressive changes respond civil rights laws they didn’t like. 3.) If a minority of people ever even owned slaves or supported the KKK, they why was the peculiar institution (slavery) allowed to exist and thrive for so long only to be replaced by another century of discrimination (Jim Crow). Why did it take a civil war to end slavery in America but other world powers gave it up without one and decades earlier? Why was the civil rights movement then necessary 100 years later? If it was just a minority of people who were actively in white supremacists organizations, why didn’t more political leaders feel pressured the majority of their constituents to be more outspoken about racial justice and equality? After 1965, what happened to all those segregationists both in political power and in local communities? What was their response to all the changes in laws protecting folks on the basis of race. Did they let it go at that point or did they try to undermine & rescind laws they themselves didn’t agree with? I think answering these questions can do a lot of good in making these conversations more productive.
This is a really nicely organized bit of writing. It is a relief to me that I see this at least once in a while. Nice job! Yes, this format and the couple is odd. I thought he was Glen Beck, at first. Two more great questions that I NEVER hear asked but regard CRT. 1) WHO created it? 2) What was it's purpose? and I guess, 3) WHERE gives a lot of information. Your question "Why did it take a Civil War to end slavery? " to me, is pretty baffling. So, if you were going to buy a ranch and you started trying to determine what was the most profiable business model which, shoule be easy to determine,,HOW would it be possible that there is anything cheaper AND easier and just a better choice , than paying a normal unskilled labor wage to a crew? It seems logical that someone would have to have weighed that model against, slavery, and SOMEHOW decided that slavery was better??? If it was more profitble it could not be by much, right?
@@tonybparalegal they were skilled. Didn’t just pick crops. They built the houses, cooked, cleaned, raised kids, butchered animals, landscaped, painted ect all this on the property where they lived and wherever their owner wanted them to work. Their children were also owned. Migrant workers take the money they earn and live in a different economy. To equate the two shows a lack of understanding.
@@tonybparalegal Larry Jones is correct ... Angolans were some of the first enslaved Africans to be brought to Virginian. And Angolans were chosen because of their knowledge and skill in working cattle and cattle manure. These skills were essential in growing and cultivating tobacco crops in Virginia. Another example is in the late 1800s & early 1900s when Black Americans started to migrate north after experiencing terrorism in the south..when they showed up in the north and started to get hired in factories it became quickly apparent that these southern "unskilled" Black Americans were "somehow" very skilled and were able to replace many of the current workers that were employed at these factories..of course this was a main flash point of the race riots in the early 20th century (see: Red Summer).
Conservative brains are such trash. They could talk to dozens of experts but at the end of the day none of it matters because they will still vote for the very people trying to remove CRT from schools where it doesn't even exist!
@@thicccorgi6187 are they going to erase thier history of how the came over and massacred the native American or are they going to tell their kids the natives gave them the land and the mad after the gave it
This isn’t only for them - it’s for many different audiences, those who don’t understand the issues discussed, those who do understand but want better ways to explain, those who reject the ideas presented…I think it’s great this couple is willing to stand in for so many people.
How many experts even school experts have to tell you CRT is not what you think it is. Your children are ashamed because you should be ashamed of slavery and Jim Crow
I’m glad comments are open on this one. Does anyone else feel like in part one with the amazing Dr that it was just all super “nice” and they didn’t actually listen to much she was saying at all?
Absolutely. I kept wondering what this couple was thinking, after the professor finished explaining something. But they didn't really repond at all. They just went on to something else. I definitely like the polite format more thn the screaming talking heads, but i would like to see them actually reply with what they think, or more follow-up questions.
They're doing what a lot of us white people do, which is cherry-pick things they hear from these experts which they can spin to fit into their pre-existing ideas. They're listening (which is to their credit), but I don't see them challenging any of their own ideas - they're trying to re-confirm their own ideas.
I get tired of conservatives who say they get systemic racism, they seemed to, yet when it comes to the solution to make the world anti racist, they suddenly say it has to be just individual action. While that sounds like "do all the good you can..." what about "do no harm..."? It's basically status quo if the system works for you. If the problem arose and was strengthened systemically, the solution has to be systemic. While I am glad for this couple to be hearing these things, it doesn't seem like they are learning anything new. Just backing up what they already believed. "Crt shouldn't be taught in schools..." "Our white children cant have any feelings of guilt!" What about the kids of color? They don't get to not learn about racism...they live it...
It’s because you don’t understand the difference between conservative and liberal thinking processes. Read up on Jonathan haidts work about the two - it will explain all you need to know.
I am glad they are trying to learn about biases but they are locked into CRT being taught in grade school, even when CRT is only taught in college law classes like Dr. Anderson stated. The problem is schools are trying to cut out or gloss over history. History is there to learn from it.
@@annemacleod1421 You are both confused &/or indoctrinated. CRT unquestionably is being taught in grade schools. It's true that schoolchildren aren't being taught what the theory is, but the theory is being applied to what they are being taught. It's indeed frustrating that people use this semantic slight of hand to pretend that there's no CRT being taught.
I think they are trying to address the few instances where a regular teacher (usually a white savior type) creates an exercise using some of the more vague concepts from the writings. The biggest one being separating children by white and POC - which basically looks like isolating and making someone feel isolated over the color of their skin (since this the level they can understand all this at that age. Im not an expert at any of it and dont have kids. This is just the picture I put together from my rural family
@@chrisbaldwin1925 but it is ok when black kids get separated by race it happened, by an old white teacher in my daughter's first grade class. The blacks sat on one side and whites on the other
This guy wants it to work both ways, while not addressing or realizing that oppression is a factor. If he wants to learn, that's his first step. Not seeing race or ethnicity is the problem. We need to see all and make the decision to work towards equality.
I think race doesnt exist. Only racism. As in the concept of race and its defining aspects were created by the oppressive system and implemented into culture for the sole purpose of exerting racism. Or in CRT case creating law that embeds in a systems - therefore birthing systemic racism. **This was at least my take away from reading various authors of CRT or watching interviews. Im no lawyer though s I could be proejcting a little. Ethnicity I think is the more appropriate term to use? Im not academic enough to be able to definethe differences
@@chrisbaldwin1925 Your theory is interesting, but not something I understand when dealing with the full context. Ethnicity and race are intertwined, even if they shouldn't be. We are the human race, with many ethnicities. That I get. Unfortunately, none of us can say "we don't see race" as it relates to modern society. I feel like I understand your premise, but I don't understand how it could actually work in the real world. I appreciate the comment, though.
@@TheCurt82 I do not ascribe to the "I dont see race" mandate of the 1980s. I think inclusion / diversity (in actuality) is the way a melting pot should go. We should celebrate each others cultures. Pick the good parts and ditch the bad parts. - how evolution works. My point is that race (its concept and execution wad entirely created just to exert racism. White doesnt exist outside of US/Western term, Black isnt qa real thing other places. They go by heritage, nationality, and ethnicity/tribe So our understanding and creation of the term race was made by the western colonists as a tool to create a resources distribution class system justifying slavery. So in this context I wonder - our hanging on to this term and its subsequent boogie men may be lacking us in a perpetual battle o turning the tables on an exploitative society. - turning the tables means you are still at that table. So it wont fix the oppression problem. I also wonder how the west will fair with the construct once it is obvious physically that races in any kind of isolated form bio linger exist. idk - but when I replace the word race with ethnicity - an racist with ethnocentric I do not run into any problems talking to problematic with people about their position in this system. They tend to lower defenses and accept the structure as it is.....instead of fighting against a term an an insult. Thats my experience FWIW
Exactly. He kept saying but can black people do it too? Do black people do it too? Totally trying to find a way to make it seem like it's the same. His "mmhmm's were the kind that are like "yeh but I'm gonna say something against that though"
@@dmg.2443 exactly! A lot of white people simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that the reason there is so much inequality when it comes to race is because there was and currently is a huge imbalance on who's being oppressed and who's doing the oppression. They always want to argue that racism goes both ways so that they can avoid feeling any sense of being responsible for initiating change.
It’s crazy how proud southern people are of they’re heritage but don’t welcome the whole truth of the matter. Nobody likes to be held accountable. SMH.
My take away from this session was a white man who's so dug in the only way he's going to see his own racist bs is for them to sit him in a room with a white supremacist and show how much he and racist have in common. Even then, he's probably just going to say "okay I'm racist and I'm good".
@@larryjones558 The CRT theory developed at Harvard law totatly ignores that the new capitalist system which had plantation slavery grafted on to it was the foundation of racism along with the foundation upon which capitalist law and society is built.
Evangelical Christianity is all about never having to accept responsibility. They just ask their magical BFF for forgiveness, and voila! They're magically forgiven, and never need to worry about it again. Or they ask their magical BFF if they're right, and boom! Their magical BFF tells them they're correct, so no need to question it ever again.
I appreciate this family taking the time to have these discussions.... But their comments make me feel like they didn't really absorb the information in part 1
That's still left them better-informed than before - maybe not as much as we might like, but improvement is improvement. I think the cogs might be turning inside there.
@@phaudraig I agree. At least they're trying. I've encountered too many people who feel they've got it all figured out and that they're right so they don't have to listen to anyone else.
I DO NOT like to speak negatively when people are well intentioned but this couple strikes me as two people who live in a cave. They appear misinformed, uninformed, and seemingly superficial in their understanding of these basic concepts despite making a effort. Their questions and behavior almost seem like an SNL parody... I struggle to think that cultured people would be as clueless as this couple. They should reach out to me for a conversation; I have degrees in this topic. And, I despise conservative people using Dr. King's messages incorrectly as they do. It scares me to know I share a world with people this clueless. The couple doesn't seem more informed after all of this knowledge. He says he interacts with all kinds of people yet he is conservative and doesn't see how that worldview perpetuate the problems with racism.
Huh? I have no idea how you ha e come to this conclusion; 99% of what they said is AGREEING with the issues & DISAGREEING with the republican moves to supress conversations of race & TRUE history& systemic issues in this country(literally saying they are APPALLED that texas got a textbook for schools calling slaves "immagrant migrant workers" & etc)ETC. I don't know if you watched the first video of their discussion with Dr Anderson but if not you should definitely watch & i dont think its possible to argue that they are not in good faith trying to learn& understand these things & AGREEING with most of it, like genuinely have you not seen the behavior of republicans when if comes to these racial issues in this country? How could you possibly say that this couple,who in both this video &Dr Anderson video, are ACTUALLY trying to learn & have an open mind& engage in a healthy dialog& learning process about these topics when 99% of republicans refuse to consider other arguements, get defensive& resentful about hearing the truth about history & this country& are actually ALL OVER THE COUNTRY * PASSING LAWS TO PREVENT THESE CONVERSATIONS & EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS* , & engaging in so much racism & regressive politics around these topics, its literally mind boggling that you could come to this conclusions & i think the attitude you expressed is not only problematic & TOTALLY OPPOSED to the ENTIRE concept of the social justice movements about EDUCATING PEOPLE & fighting the conditioning & learned biases& so on, but i think is actually an enormous part of the problem wben it comes to the attitudes that are causing further division & DEEPENING RACISM & preventing progress & TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE LEFT & FURTHER TO THE FAR RIGHT. I'd encourage you to do a bit of self reflection on this attitude& consider WHY is apparently according to you somehow BAD to have republicans genuinley trying to learn in this divisive climate& actually arrive at agreement with most of left wing social justice aligned ideas in these conversations, your criticism appears to be a virtue signal with little basis in not only an understanding of the country at this moment but also of the actual principles of these social justice movements&the left
@@ar4203 They did not renounce their conservative views despite all they learned from talking to experts. I listened to the entire segment and they were still uncertain about alot despite all they learned.
As a former door-to-door salesman in 6 states coast to cost, who grew up in an ethnic enclave of NYC, I would have loved to knock on the🚪 of this couple. Which is to say, even these two has the biases that serve to reinforce the power structure. Imagine the millions of others who are not so accepting. This is why the notion of a post racial society is a pipe dream, unless folks like these two can persuade most who look like them. I had a 70 year old house inspector lament over the BLM protests, and asked me to explain. I reluctantly took on the familiar task of speaking for every African American, 30 minutes later he asked, “How can I change?” I responded with tears 😭 explaining as a grandfather I have never received a response from a white male like that. USN, Ret.
My only problems are 1. The way I hear this is being taught, and 2. That only black / white is being discussed. I have more bias against illegal aliens than I've ever had against anyone black. While I know that's wrong, it's hard to get over with the border stuff going on.
@@texaskatydid1081 well knowing it's wrong is much more than I can say about millions of American who share your bias. Ironically, many of these same people don't see illegal immigrants leaving Ukraine to save their lives and the lives of their families. They see Ukrainian Refugees.
Lynching is still law in many American states. Voting rights is being significantly eroded in certain states. So a significant proportion of America want it to be great again based on past oppressive practices
@@mike-ws3jlActually, the US congress never made lynching a federal crime due to powerful opposition from Southern senators. It wasn't until 2018 that the Senate passed the legislation, and a revised version passed by a vote of 410 - 4. Let me repeat the year. 2018. And voter id is not the issue. It's that Republicans don't want black people to vote (they came out and expressed their wishes). All of a sudden, Republican states started measures that restricted black votes (not allowing votes on Sunday), shutting down DMVs to enable people to get id., restricting voting stations in black areas, where they have to travel far to vote and wait hours, while non black areas have ample voting stations. Please explain how it is just about voter id.
@@mike-ws3jl I like how you say "40 years" as if that's ancient history. The lynching your thinking of was in 1981, man. The year Phil Collins' "In The Air Tonight" and Rick Springfield's "Jesse's Girl" was popular. The year of Raiders of the Lost Ark and Chariots of Fire. The year Reagan got shot. It was not just within our lifetimes, it feels like it was yesterday. Also like how you conveniently forgot about Ahmaud Arbery.
Based on an estimation of his age (say 50), he probably did not have a course which included the concept of CRT. The theory as a formal, academic construct was in its infancy in law schools in 1995.
@@jamestcatcato7132 the magnifying glass analogy and uncovering clues and the clues need to be worked on. The analogy was way off. If the magnifying glass uncovers clues I.e the truthful past then the point of CRT is to theorize how the policies and practices created the divide we have today. At a funeral I once gave the analogy that life is like a relay race. The place you’re in and your lead or shortfall when you get the baton is dependent upon those that ran the race before you. However, with this topic you have to add that there were many obstacles that slavery, Jim Crow, and federal government laws and policies that were more than an impediment. They truly determined who wins and who loses. Examples are not just the Rosewood massacre and Tulsa, Oklahoma but the Birwood wall in Detroit to partition off the black and white communities. The saying from the other side of the tracks is because federal dollars created the divide to draw the line that was not to be crossed. I could go on but I’ll stop there. CRT is the theory of how it would be if these things didn’t happen and instead there is a movement to deny the past to prevent the truth of how we got here from coming to light.
@@drwalka10 she probably wasn't present for the previous segment. If so she wouldn't be in a position to dispute what he said being he was supposed to be repeating what the Dr. Told him.
"I hate saying race because I just think it's a social construct but I'll just use the word for ease." This is called "color-blindness" and is actually a form of racism. The refusal to take note of race actually allows you to ignore manifestations of persistent discrimination. It's also an attempt to distance oneself from "racists". All around, it's totally unproductive and harmful to boot. From Monica T Williams, PhD: "In a colorblind society, white people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society. Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives. "Let's break it down into simple terms: Colorblind = "People of color-we don't see you (at least not that bad ‘colored' part)." As a person of color, I like who I am, and I don't want any aspect of that to be unseen or invisible. The need for colorblindness implies there is something shameful about the way God made me and the culture I was born into that we shouldn't talk about. Thus, colorblindness has helped make race into a taboo topic that polite people cannot openly discuss. And if you can't talk about it, you can't understand it, much less fix the racial problems that plague our society." Check out the book: "Racism Without Racists" by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva for more.
This is what we call a Marxist thought trap. You don’t get to decide what other’s intentions or thoughts are - fucking get over yourself 🙄 It’s gonna be depressing going through life projecting on everyone else because maybe you’re work isn’t good enough 🤷🏼♂️ 🤡Racist if you do, racist if you don’t🤡
@@poolhall9632 they weren't talking about their intentions, rather the effect it has. On the other hand, what is the intention with your comment? Why did this trigger you so bad?
@@poolhall9632 what was it I assumed? I merely asked. I didn't know that asking about your intention was equal to assuming it. Why didn't you say what you intended then? Or maybe you did, by getting needlessly defensive.
Holy shh..., does that man just have severe comprehensive issues, or was he purposely misreprenting Dr. Anderson's position. It sounded to me like he was straight up lying. I would be so sad and angry if I were Dr. Anderson and saw that this is what he took out of our long conversation, and then dared to completely misrepresent my position like that. Wow. I thought these people were just misinformed, but it seems like they are straight up deceptive and manipulative, and their misunderstanding is completely their choice.
And he clearly says the word "theory" thinking that people are too stupid to understand what a theory is. Or maybe he just is this uneducated, and knows many like him are.
This is the "magic" delusion "good" ytppl use to maintain the farce of moral superiority while simultaneously participating in the same system that's demonically ravaged this planet the last 500 years.
I thought the exact same. He's definitely intelligent. Intelligent to know exactly what he's doing and doing it so it panders to his conservative base. At first, I thought they were simply misinformed and that they genuinely wanted to learn. But what they're doing is very intentional.
This couple doesn’t get it. Dr. Anderson didn’t say CRT shouldn’t be taught in schools, she said it isn’t being taught in schools. They are not willing to actually learn/not hearing what they are being told.
@@kw2080 Everything EXCEPT that "children aren't being taught Critical Race Theory" as Dr. Anderson explained to him multiple times just the day before.
@@BringFactsOrBackAwaySlow this video is not about CRT. My research area is neurolinguists so I am very familiar with button push experiments. This one was presented incorrectly. There is no way one can interpret a level of racial bias from the experiment given and certainly not on an individual level as a “test”. As for your specific point to me, I’m not sure I fully understood your point. The video you referred to in which the expert said CRT is only taught in law school, I believe the “parents” fully accepted as truth without pushing back. They asked a few follow up questions where the expert said something like what is being taught is history or true history; if you have a better quote you would like to share about what is being taught please do so. I’m trying to quote from distant memory. My concern is two fold. First, the appropriate level being taught in grades. I had to even censor a kindergarten class on HBO kids from my 2 year old because it was being taught as though white people don’t like black people. That’s not true in my opinion and not what my mixed race kid did needs to hear about his dad. Second, true history has been taught since I was in school but teachers are not all quality, so topics like this should reign in bad teachers some (esp. in grade school and middle school). Ultimately, we have to decide if we want a united nation or not. My vote is for kindness, mutual respect and understanding.
38:18 Did she actually suggest that watching more Roots would help people not be as racist? I like the pause Dr. Allison has, like she's taken back by how ridiculous the suggestion was and she's trying to be nice about her answer. It was also stunning to hear her talk about abolitionists freeing slaves and making things better now and that how many of them were people of God. Did she just forget that many of the people who did the enslaving considered themselves christian? Hell, God himself didn't have a problem with slavery. The privilege just oozes out of everything she says.
I went to Catholic school in the 60's and 70's; in 8th grade the teacher Sister Jane Elizabeth, taught about slavery ( she was a great lady as I look back) I was the only Black kid in the class and I promise you knowing about slavery did not make anyone feel bad.It was embarrassing for me but did not generate hate or anger towards anyone and no one treated me any differently.
We ALL learned about slavery and the wrongs. This is not what happening with CRT. This wants to teach children of color they are suppressed and judged by the color of their skin, and non- poc chikdren that they are racist. Ugliest, grotesque idiocy I've ever seen. Child abuse in my opinion.
@@brandybobandy2194 it's been documented. It's exactly what some educators are teaching, so...your misinformed. We've not had situations of the dividing by color in our local schools, but there is video evidence that there are classrooms doing this. I've seen slighter versions of it in my childrens classrooms. Yes, it's happening. And it's crippling ( I believe) all that are touched by it.
@@malibu405 you’re either lying or you simply don’t know. First off, unless you’re talking about graduate-level studies, CRT isn’t being taught to your kids. That’s fact. Second, no one is teaching that black kids are “suppressed.” Pointing out actual systemic inequities isn’t doing that. And CRT doesn’t deal with individuals. It’s referencing a system in place created to advantage some over others. It doesn’t say “white folk are just racist.” That’s a silly argument and not one any curriculum would endorse. You might have heard a story about something, somewhere and are now using that as a blanket indictment of the theory when what you’re talking about has zero to do with CRT.
@@CHEETAH69 you may be right about some of this, I hope you are. But it's not what I've wittnesed. I have seen/ heard on video various officials speak from bith sides of their mouths on the subject. I'm curious if any people from your pov take time to listen to people that think like me.
I have concerns after watching the vids of this couple. I am very concerned. These are not real convos but a need to justify how a belief system is held. KNOW what happened and KNOW how it it affects people today. Why is this so hard to see where you are on the spectrum and why you are treated differently because your skin matters and how skin color impacts the masses?
They understand it, but admission of that understanding also means confronting and/or possibly changing the way they think/act and that isn't an option that they're comfortable with.
Because that would conflict with their core belief that they are better than people of color in virtually every way. That's why white people have more money than people of color, don't ya know.
He doesn’t seem to get that it’s not that only white people have micro-aggressions toward minorities. It’s about the power that is behind that micro-aggression.
this series actually scares me even more about how insidious racism and racist beliefs exists within people who outright deny it and work so hard to make it a non-issue
The 5 Steps to Critical Thinking: What is critical thinking? In general, critical thinking refers to actively questioning statements rather than blindly accepting them. Critical thinking results in radical free will. 1. The critical thinker is flexible yet maintains an attitude of healthy skepticism. Critical thinkers are open to new information, ideas, and claims. They genuinely consider alternative explanations and possibilities. However, this open-mindedness is tempered by a healthy sense of skepticism (Hyman, 2007). The critical thinker consistently asks, “What evidence supports this claim?” 2. The critical thinker scrutinizes the evidence before drawing conclusions. Critical thinkers strive to weigh all the available evidence before arriving at conclusions. And, in evaluating evidence, critical thinkers distinguish between empirical evidence versus opinions based on feelings or personal experience. 3. The critical thinker can assume other perspectives. Critical thinkers are not imprisoned by their own points of view. Nor are they limited in their capacity to imagine life experiences and perspectives that are fundamentally different from their own. Rather, the critical thinker strives to understand and evaluate issues from many different angles. 4. The critical thinker is aware of biases and assumptions. In evaluating evidence and ideas, critical thinkers strive to identify the biases and assumptions that are inherent in any argument (Riggio & Halpern, 2006). Critical thinkers also try to identify and minimize the influence of their own biases. 5. The critical thinker engages in reflective thinking. Critical thinkers avoid knee-jerk responses. Instead, critical thinkers are reflective. Most complex issues are unlikely to have a simple solution. Therefore, critical thinkers resist the temptation to sidestep complexity by boiling an issue down to an either/or, yes/no kind of proposition. Instead, the critical thinker expects and accepts complexity (Halpern, 2007). Critical thinking is not a single skill, but rather a set of attitudes and thinking skills. As is true with any set of skills, you can get better at these skills with practice. In a nut shell, critical thinking is the active process of minimizing preconceptions and biases while evaluating evidence, determining the conclusions that can be reasonably be drawn from evidence, and considering alternative explanations for research findings or other phenomena. CRITICAL THINKING QUESTIONS >Why might other people want to discourage you from critical thinking? >In what situations is it probably most difficult or challenging for you to exercise critical thinking skills? Why? > What can you do or say to encourage others to use critical thinking in evaluating questionable claims or assertions?
I've watched two of the videos with this couple, and they are to be commended for their spirit of openness and listening to others with different expertise and experience than theirs. That said, I've been watching kind of in the (perhaps naive) hope that I'll see them actually re-examine some of their own preconceptions. To be honest, though, I'm kind of discouraged by them. Because what I actually see is them working to *shore up* their own preconceptions: "Yeah, what you're saying rings true to me because it logically can be spun to support school vouchers," etc. I see a desire to "both-sides" racial discrimination, because one time some black guys at an HBCU made this white woman feel a little unwelcome. The guy always makes a point of saying that he doesn't like to acknowledge race as a tangible categorization. He also likes to use and re-use the example of blatantly racist Jim Crow laws as "a thing in the past that anybody now knows was wrong." But he/they aren't called out for these evasions. Nobody says to them, "yeah, you *one time* were un-welcomed by some black people at an HBCU. Black people are unwelcomed *every damn day of their lives that they go out and deal with other races, anywhere." Nobody says to them, "you may not want to acknowledge race as a tangible category, but guess what - you live in a country that always has and still very much does treat it as a tangible category. Of course race isn't a big deal to YOU, because you're white, and you don't HAVE TO think about it if you choose not to, because you're on the top of the historically elite heirarchy." Nobody says to them, "first of all, there are waaaay more people in America right now than you'd like to think who definitely don't consider Jim Crow to be wrong. And second of all, you keep pointing out examples of racism *from the past*, because you want to think that racism is over and done with, and we've fixed it and it's not really a problem, because that would mean you don't need to actually take a hard look and recognize your white privilege, and change any of your attitudes or give up anything you've always felt entitled to."
Yeah. I feel like they want to perform as if they’re open to learn. But it seems like they want to gather info to prove they’re already right or that they already are “not racist.” Maybe in doing this, they will learn valuable things that move them along & allow them to evolve.
@Kaliym- I agree, and it won’t as long as partisan politicians continue to try to regulate what teachers and schools can and cannot teach about race (which is what is happening, in lock step, all across the country right now).
I suppose at the end of it all the guy still stuck to his guns? Dr Carol in episode 1 was supreme in how she showed patience in answering and providing examples to their questions. If after all their research he’s unwilling to admit to some implicit bias then it shows how long we have to go in this country to reach consensus
As a lawyer this guy should KNOW there is a disparity in the treatment of races throughout the legal system. I do not believe these people are as ignorant on the issues as they seem.
There is also an even bigger discrepancy in the justice system between the two genders - males get much tougher sentences than women for the same crime - so if the justice system is racist it also sexist ..
This professor is pissing me off how can you study this and then be pushed into a corner to just nod yes and agree with everything with this man is saying?
@@marialandrum5477 Yep, she is an accredited PhD, has spent her life studying the subject, but thinks this random guy knows more than her about her area of study. 😂🤣
I applaud the couple for taking the time and putting forth the effort to learn. Many people are misguided by media and never check their biases. On the other hand, now that they have become aware does it change their behavior?
If this husband keeps saying as a prefacing to any statement dealing with race that he doesn’t see race and that that race is a social construct and then goes into the discussion which is about race as a subject, it will be harder for him to change. Yes race is a social construct and we shouldn’t see it, but the point is as we’re finding in these discussions, is that this social construct is reality and it is the base of some of the wrongs that we need to correct. And we need to be able to acknowledge those wrongs and part of acknowledging the wrong is acknowledging the social construct that has become real and has been used to categorize and divide people by a characteristic. It is in that division where the negative characteristic was applied in that group of people has taking ownership of it to make it a positive. Just in the fact that he keeps saying that he doesn’t see race he’s dismissing those people in their feelings and that’s part of the problem that’s going on today. You can learn all the history know all the knowledge as to what is going on but if you’re still dismissive to the people that are going through it you cannot change it.
@@BuckleBunny I agree with you. I do think it comes from a place of embarrassment for him. But I would rather they talk about it and have it on their minds then not. Baby steps. There is a great discussion on CRT if you haven't seen it with the same couple.💚
@@BuckleBunny Exactly. It is also hard for them to really accept that the way they live is due to the "systemic racism " that has been increasingly codified since the 17th century or so. How can they accept that they are part of the system that has dehumanized POC yet grants them their socio-economic privilege? They want to be good guys. Sad. They need time to continue their education. They need to be brave.
B S You'll have to find the video of this couple after all the interviews they did. She says she's changed her view, but she said it reluctantly. He, on the other hand, after speaking with experts has not changed his mind.
So they took the comments down on the other video. She went to two HBCUs and still felt like critical race theory was going to hurt kids. She spent all that time with black ppl and still didn’t learn ish. 🙄
Where the hell did they find this couple?? They had me cringing everytime they opened their mouths, they have to be acting. There's no way people so oblivious and unaware as to what's going on in today's society exist.
Geez…they’re trying. To me it’s like learning about what left-handed people go through, or what LGBTQ people go through, or what disabled people experience. If you’re not in any of those groups you’ll be surprised at how much you’re oblivious to. There are plenty of people living their lives who don’t ever need to think about these things. Then there are the people who walk around with a lot of assumptions that they never question. I guarantee you that you have quite a lot of people like that in your life right now - do you think your parents, aunts, uncles, cousins are all aware of the issues being discussed here? These two are taking the opportunity to hear things they’ve never discussed with anyone else. Me - I prefer to read books, and have read a lot of about these issues. Maybe you’ve done the same, but not everyone reads that many books.
This guy is trying his best to make racism a two way street .. that’s not what these discussions are for .. it’s for you to receive the information to understand how racism is weaved into the smallest things so that you can extract it and possibly eliminate it
I disagree, I think the idea or concept that blacks can’t be racist due to a power imbalance is not only wrong but idiotic. Racism is racism whether it comes from a white, black or brown person. Here’s the thing: if we can’t agree on this rather simple idea then how can we begin to have a discussion about race? That was the guys point
New to the channel and I'm trying to figure out 😳 what exactly are you guys trying to understand 🤔.... Like I'm black and I don't have any insight or way in to "White Society" but I could tell you every advantage that having White skin affords you..Soooooo why does systemic racism need to be explained to you @11Alive... I think we're past explanations at this point you either care or you don't
@@brianmeen2158 this from 7 months ago bruh but in short look at Dahmer if he was a black man in a predominantly white building the cops would have been got him outta there or the cop that shot timir rice would have gone to jail or the white dude that shot up that black church wouldn't have got taken to burger king the list goes on and on if u too stupid to understand what's happening right in front of u then I can't help u just stay in ur racist bubble
I lived the movie Roots, and for what it's worth, those whom are white, who actually cared to get something out of it, it was a good thing. I was 11 when that movie came out. The white kids were not nice and as it was retelevised, I had to deal with the kids in high school. It just made them feel powerful and supreme and as if attending 99% white schools on the every day wasn't bad enough, it just got worse so I think how these things are received are very much dependent upon the environment, the parentage one happens to be born to. It'd the same with this CRT. NO BODY WANTS TO KNOW OR UNDERSTAND ANYTHING TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE because they like things the way they are and don't want anyone changing it. Many know better while they run down to the elementary schools and threaten lives and waste time it makes them feel "powerful", supreme to make asses of themselves and threaten people. It's as if the bigger uglier we can make this, the better chance white washing continues just the way we like it and heaven forbid our little white babies ever have to feel ANYTHING for an "other. They want to raise ugly little minions and if this wasn't the case, why would teaching "real history" be a problem? Why is it so easy to vote against an anti lynching law, civil rights laws, why do judges clear as day clear all punishment for someone whos been convicted of killing a person or even raping a little white girl even, then publically shame the victim. Why do white's law enforcement criminals get the lilly white glove treatment while they're really begging the police to over kill but you simply need to be black and the police are offering up immediate sacrifices whether or not they pay their union dues. Let's not even talk about simply being a black civilian. They'll tell you to quit bothering them about your child's murder because the white guy that was present was a fine gentleman... Now go away. Lets talk about the movie, The Color Purple. When I tell you the vast majority of people in that full theater were white and the though the misery was so funny that they laughed out loud; let's just say I wouldn't BS you. They loved it. This country is shameful. The white people that run this country and even the lesser white people that the ruling parties could care less about love their white skin and the privilege just the way it is and anyone who doesn't see this most recent maniacal behavior as embarrassing, unjust and needing to be stopped is the problem AND the communists they are promoting in the gas light of patriotism, democracy and human rights. Bunch of sociopaths.
I wanted to hear this to hope that the details of CRT are communicated to these folks. When parents like them want to decry the teaching of CRT to their children, I've never heard one who can actually the discipline as it's taught, exclusively, in higher education. The reality, by and large, is that these folks represent people who are far more concerned with the simple history of slavery and associated racism in the US. The complexity of the issues that infiltrate how laws are made today just don't exist in primary school education. It's just the real history. AND sure it's uncomfortable for white folks, myself included, to find out the REAL atrocities that were endured by POC in the past. That's NOT CRT, that's just history. If we WANT the present and future to be more positive, we HAVE to be realistic about the past.
"I've always held that if my positions are worth holding then I shouldn't be afraid to ask any questions of anyone and listen to what they have to say" *claps* Amazing, that's exactly how science works, great. Now, as long as you internalize the things those people say and apply them to your life, instead of (checks notes) insisting race isn't real and the USA addressed racism overtly once or twice in the past so everyone has an equal shot now thanks to Martin Luther King and my wife went to a black school once and we visited a foreign country and watched Roots so we rich white southerners know exactly what it's like to be minorities here... ...THOSE are all belief-based positions that require not just listening, but comprehending and accepting in order to change.
OMG THIS. Jim Crowe laws repealed RACISM IS OVER. This is my parents and it's SO FRUSTRATING because they want to be "good christian people" and they try to be "good christian people" but they refuse to see the implicit biases and EXPLICIT biases in my dad's case. It's crushing because I know they have it in them to be good loving people but if they cannot and will not self reflect or accept that they have room for growth.
That lawyer isn't trying to understand any more than defend his position. Fraudulent effort and a useless conversation. If you really want to understand. I will tell you in person, I will show you
My point exactly. He came into this wanting to make his point and refute whatever was brought up. I’ll say he had an easier task here than he did in the video with Dr Anderson.
Yeah. He didn’t seem to know much about law did he? He probably felt it was his civic duty to play dumb by using his whiteness to “shut up and listening”.
I'm having an issue with Bart Glasgow saying that Dr. Anderson said CRT "should not be taught" in grade school, because it sounds like he is editing her comment to agree with him. Dr. Anderson clearly explained that CRT is NOT taught in grade school. She explained that it is a course taught in law school. It's not even really taught in undergrad. I initially thought he was on a sincere journey, but restating her comment makes is seem as if he's feeding into the conservative misinformation.
I’m white and it’s not difficult for me to understand systemic racism exists. I don’t know why these people are having such a difficult time understanding this.
At first I thought that a white person trying to explain this to white people was good but as this went on she didn’t really teach them anything! It’s Alot of things she should have pushed back on! Like when he said that black people could greet white people different! The difference if a black people greet white people how we do each other white people have the power to not hire them black people don’t have that power white people will label black people as one thing when they are not we have to conform to what they think is the way and it’s never the other way around! White people have the power to alter black peoples lives we don’t have the power to alter theirs!
I swear I think Republicans are a different species. How many times do they have to it be told that crt isn't being taught? Republicans remind me of teenagers.
When you were little and learned about how the forefathers treated the Native Americans, was your initial reaction shame at being white??? My reaction was wanting to be a good adult and feeling like I wanted to protect people if ever I had the power as an adult. Where people assume kids will feel shame to learn about slavery, I don't know
You didn’t learn from the other interview that CRT *shouldn’t* be taught in schools, you learned that it *ISN’T* being taught in schools. Meaning this whole fuss about parents NOT wanting it in school is uninformed and based on those people’s feelings. You almost got it right there, Buddy. Also, the other side of the anti-crt parents isn’t parents wanting it taught. Very few, if any, people are going around saying it should be taught in schools. Y’all are just worked up about CRT because you think it’s something it isn’t and the other side is telling you you’re off the mark because you don’t even know what CRT is.
No, CRT has an activist component. It’s framework is being applied to curriculum in schools. Stop treating us critiques as though we are stupid. We know what is going on. CRT’s core tenets are being injected into curriculum. This is what people have a problem with.
@@robr.5044 ok interesting. I’ll start by saying I’ve read up and watched some videos about CRT, but am by no means anywhere close to an expert. Im just trying to understand more about it and more about why people are so upset. How does CRT have an activism component? I currently disagree with that premise, but you may know more about it than I do and maybe I’m wrong. From my understanding right now, it’s more a theory to explain some injustices built into our systems. I think maybe you’re making a leap that activism is *part* of the theory. Seems to me, most people who learn about and understand these injustices naturally want to change them, but I have not heard anything to indicate that activism is part of the theory. Similar to how climate change also does not have activism built in, but very often when people understand climate change they see the need to work toward changing humans impact on climate change. See the difference? It’s nuanced, but I don’t believe these theories don’t have activism built in. Also, I’m having a really hard time guessing which of the “core tenets” you would be opposed to being taught in schools? I’m open to being wrong here and learning more about this, so let’s have a good discussion! Thanks for your response, much appreciated 🙏
@@ryans6186 I appreciate your willingness to have a conversation. Here is a link to a Wikipedia page on CRT with a number of different definitions. You will notice the activist component mentioned or alluded to in the terminology. You see, it’s not that critics of CRT are opposed to righting social wrongs, it’s that CRT willfully or unknowingly may be misrepresenting the problem. Remember that they are looking at inequality through an intersectional and racial lens. Well, what if there are other variables involved? It is a theory after all. For a deeper look at why CRT is corrosive. Look up James Lindsay’s podcast-New Discourses.
It's amazing for me that yt grown people act ignorant of history and current treatment of African Americans like its an urban legend. Then teach their kids to hate black people at home for redundant reasons. Which is why there's hesitation of teaching race theory to those same kids whom they lied too first leaving those kids confused. Black folks grow up being treated horrifically but is expected to not react so we don't make yt people uncomfortable. Example: A man beats his woman and expects her to act like she's happy in front of him and the world so HE doesn't feel responsible for another person's pain. Then he takes classes to act like he needs to "learn" that domestic violence is bad, is ridiculous. Take CRITICAL out of the title because it's inflaming. Making it something to fear instead of something to embrace as simple reality that all kids need to learn. Don't hide the bad and glorify and exaggerate everything else. Teach yt kids the truth so that they may grow sympathetic at a young age and avoid becoming oppressors and continue the problem that starts with people in socia/financial power..
To everyone dissing the “parents” in this series, understand that they are asking these questions as if they were parents skeptical about CRT. They aren’t actually skeptical about it (or more importantly, what the accusation implies).
Are we sure they aren’t skeptical? Because his questions felt a bit too authentic for him to just be playing Devil’s Advocate. “Can microagressions happen to white people too?” Lol. I hope you’re right. But I left the convo feeling as though they hadn’t really changed much in their thinking.
People of safe have clipper perpetuated racism far beyond anybody else with a biblical and divine justification.( Praise God in the southern accent) The naïveté of these people is amazing it makes me sick to my stomach
@The Adjudicator I also see the Dunning Kruger coming forth, an attempt to disprove the expert. The questions they ask give it away. They keep trying to wrestle the answers onto the playing field of their own perspective. I'm glad none of these experts have indulged them!
@@brandybobandy2194 except they kind of have. I watch the first two interviews and literally yelled out, "don't indulge him!" As if they could hear me lol
His need to make this individual is sending me. And let’s not even discuss the MLK and “America is the freest country in the world” statements, truly something. Him being an attorney and not being able to grapple with this is evidence of the fact that white ppl, even the nicest ones, are really struggling with this idea of a different kind of centering of whiteness. Roots every year as a suggestion, I think was sincere. This is incredible. Glad they did it though.
I’ve been telling people to stop listening to Republicans when it comes to CRT. Notice they never sit down with somebody who teaches the class and debate them on CERT
To Dr. Dorkenoo, you dropped the ball on this one. You allowed the husband to take over and re-direct the narrative. Extremely supportive to his opinions
Someone said the professor seemed nervous. However, her answers were well-spoken, unbiased, & progressive. One thing stood out to me though. I watched this couple sit in front of several black professionals before this video and this, seemingly, was the first time they actually asked what they honestly wanted to know. This was the first interview where I got a glimpse of where they truly stand on this issue. Both were more engaged, actually sat up in their seats, and dug into the questioning. No offense but I watched the couple provide the black professionals with so much fluff about what black people he did his thesis on, and her multiple HBCU experiences, and in this video I saw a no-nonsense discussion about the actual issues they have with CRT. I kind of think that in and of itself should let them both know why CRT should be taught. We can visibly see your level of comfort with one race vs the other. Why would you not want people to understand what we just watched in multiple videos. I didn't even know the wife had a real opinion until I watched this video. To not give the black professionals the same level of interest and intentional conversations is a micro-aggression and somewhat insulting. I could be wrong though. *shrugs*
@@lawonwilliams1548 For the people who get their opinions from intentional misinformation, yes. At least they made it here... Just to ignore the actual information, given by experts in their fields.
Second time I'm seeing this couple talk to experts and it's a bit strange that the guy is the only one speaking, for the most part. When it's her turn, she asks the same basic questions. I feel like he's not learning anything, but trying to argue the point as a republican ( and I knew he was, just from the way he spoke about race). The point he's missing, or doesn't want to understand, is that, people that thinks like him, are part of the problem. I am willing to bet he's also "very" religious.
Checking a box to track demographic categories is not a micro aggression. A white realtor showing a PoC only homes in areas that are majority non-white is an example.
Listening to the couple discuss watching Roots was especially painful smh lmaooo She asked the lady "From your perspective don't you think it would be good if they started playing Roots on tv every year again?!" LMAO bish what u think BET already plays on Christmas day EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR. ughhhh cringe
Think of race as your favorite board game. Now if you ALWAYS (FOREVER) you have a size able advantage and when you play with your friends they never get the handicap or the activated cheat code. Obviously you will win every single time. Is that the type of relationship you want to maintain with your friends, and how do you think they feel having to play under those circumstances?
So tell me why do millions of black and brown people risk their lives to move to America ? If they are so disadvantaged in a country like America, why not stay in a predominantly black or brown country? Why move to a country that will hold them down due to the color of their skin? Are they stupid?
@@brianmeen2158 because most people will risk a disadvantage rather than face zero opportunity. America has billed itself as the land of opportunity but some of us want to keep thinking of America as stack my claim and it’s mine rather than one Nation for All.
I enjoyed this conversation and although it seemed that the gentleman was guarded or dismissive of something's I felt that he was overall open to listening. That is the start we all must strive for in communication. Not suppressing a theory that actually not in any Elementary, Middle, or High school syllabus.
this seems to be their schtick, there are a bunch of videos on this channel of this couple asking the same things to different people with similar responses. I think this is conservative PR
On that question about whether a white person can experience a microaggression, i think in that case it's just called "impoliteness". I may be misunderstanding this but it sounds like they're saying black people are on the receiving end of poor treatment more than white. I don't think they're trying to say "this behavior is strictly a microaggression" and "this is standard impoliteness" totally divorced from context.
Why is this so hard for them to comprehend, after speaking to multiple people about this? Their willful ignorance and fake benevolence are both painful.
I don't think you need to go back and discuss Jim crow laws. Let's look at the 21st century. Same laws, none taken off the books. So we still have the same conversations for over 100 years. How long does this conversation last until you get to the real issues. Facing today's issues is MOSTLY like facing the same issues of yesteryear! Very small progress. How long will we do this? Until the 22nd century.
Why was the comment section turned off with Dr. Anderson’s interview and not here. The dialogue is just as important if we want to have full context of where people are and how they feel. It almost shows a level biases with something as simple as that.
I asked the same thing🤷🏾♂️
Makes me wonder if some of those responses were a little too juicy
My thoughts exactly. If I cry racisim would I be wrong?
They were turned on but some people started showing their true colors so 🤷🏾♀️ it was really sad honestly comment section so disgusting I couldn't finish the video the first time
@@sammagny6548 That’s actually my point. The comment section would make the case and the truth that can’t be denied. People cry about us moving on and not looking back. It’s still here and a problem. In every crime most perpetrators want the victim to be quite and move on so there’s no accountable. They’ve tried to tokenize and patronize but not rectify. We need to see people rawness and allow them to expose themselves. It’s very uncomfortable but those who are looking through rose colored glasses need to face the reality. We can’t keep making other people comfortable at the experience of our lives. That’s insane. What’s funny they are the ones who opened up this can of worms.
His quoting Dr Anderson is a little misleading. While she did say everything that she said, he forgets the very first thing she said, "Critical Race Theory ISN'T taught in schools".
I was thinking the same thing!! He didn’t say that part! He needs to quote more accurately and fully!!
I agree, and watched that particular video as well.
@@adriennebrodie2147 He omitted it because he was trying to promote his lies.
That is actually a deception bvased on concepts from an obscure part of philosophy not addressed in any other discipline. The truth is, they don't 'teach' CRT in K-12. That would involve explaining then having them memorize Marxist concepts. That does not happen. I know this bc my wife is a teacher and was mandated to take the training last summer, "EQUITY 2021! Using post-Marxist Principles!"
Anyway, it is more that they covertly slip concepts in that create confusion and divisiveness, such as telling black kids (K,1st and 2nd)
that they are not to see themselves first as VICTIMS and only second as black ppl. Also, they are convinced their little white friends are inherently racist and they are going to oppress them when they can. Until then, develop a vigilance about them. And, to the white kids, they tell them they are inherently racist.
Here's the thing...well, another thing...
IF you want to NEGATE past ABUSIVENESS to you, they need to negate that by being CARING, RESPECTFUL and KIND and APOLOGETIC with enough consistency that you can start to believe it is now who they are, right? There is no other way to resolve that. If you want to NEGATE DARKNESS, you do that with LIGHT.
If you want to NEGATE EVIL, you do that with LIGHT.
IF you want to NEGATE RACISM, you do that with TOLLERANCE and FAIRNESS. Also, be willing to talk about any bad feelings that come up from the past. Just decide ahead of time to respectfully answer every question the other person will ever ask so their DOUBT and DISTRUST will become truly satisfied. SO, WHY DOES CRT NEVER MENTION ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
@@tonybparalegal Bull! It is not now and never will be the duty of any black person to tolerate the bigoted or racist questions of a random white person. All you described was your wife taking an Intrinsic Bias training course. That doesn't translate to the curriculum. CRT doesn't say anything about the divisiveness you're so desperate to put onto it. All it does is analyze how/why even after landmark legislation like the Voting Rights & Civil Rights Acts we still see disproportionate adverse outcomes for POC's. All of this from a legal standpoint. Because Critical Race Theory is an offshoot of Critical Legal Theory. You're embarrassing yourself. Do better...please?
I don't feel that they truly get it. Even after the talk with Dr. Anderson.
The nature of their position is steadfast faith in what they were raised to believe. I applaud them for trying to learn as adults should, but it's a huge uphill battle for binary thinkers like this, where their "0" is the "Good" they've been fed their whole lives, and "1" is "Evil" they've been taught to omit and ignore. Until the reality of a hard personal consequence literally flips their individual life upside down (say, on a laterally related conservative issue, this guy's wife dies of Covid after a maskless party) they have very little trouble living in ignorance that fits the "0".
They don't want to get it
@@BugJuiceFlavor Basicly because the foudation of racism is in the new caitalist system and it roots will be desroyed in the coming socailist revolution.
Oh they get it, they just don’t agree with your position on this. I don’t either
@@BugJuiceFlavor fear of change
It always strikes me as interesting when people credit Christian abolitionists with ending enslavement as if there were no Christian slaveowners or justifications for slavery in the Bible.
As if the bible does not explicitly condone slavery.
Christians themselves will tell you that there are different kinds of Christians.
@@zephyrhills5620 Which is the No True Scottsman Fallacy.
@@Mike_Jones281 No True Scotsman would suggest that one kind of Christian says the others are not Christian.
To say there are different kinds of Christians doesn’t imply only one kind of Christianity is valid. It just means Protestants aren’t Catholics, Lutherans aren’t Mormons…Quakers aren’t Episcopalians. Quakers bought and sold slaves at first, but by the mid 18th century they were the first denomination to widely denounce slavery, prohibit slavery among its members, petition the government to end slavery, and participate in political activism in support of abolition.
In other words, there were different kinds of Christians.
@Maargen Bx I get your point, and you are right. My point is while there are many sects of Christianity, those sects, by their existence, are suggesting that their tenants are the only way to get into the kingdom of heaven.
The fact that other Christians have different beliefs (whom they presumably disagree with) is disingenuous and defects the Bible, possibly contradicting them.
The Bible explicitly condones and regulates slavery. At best, the Quakers cherry-picked the parts of the Bible to fit their view despite the word of God, allegedly.
I noticed when Dr. Anderson spoke the Glasgows didn’t understand what she said. She didn’t say CRT “shouldn’t be taught in schools.” She said that CRT *is not taught at all* outside of law school - it’s a method to evaluate the way law creates racial disparity.
She did NOT say “what CRT discovers should be taught in schools”. She said that what’s taught in schools is the history of the US when it comes to race, but those opposed to that call it CRT because the word “race” is in that phrase, and that’s used to galvanize people against the teaching of history.
I could see that the couple walked into the conversation with Dr. Anderson with the idea that CRT was being taught to kids, and walked out with the idea that CRT was being taught to kids.
I got the same feeling.
TheGlascow's entered into this conversation with a slightly open mind. Asked probing questions but not fully engaged in active listening.
Thank you! I wanted to type the same thing. This is why it is important to ask what is your understanding of what was said? What did you learn today that you didn't know previously? This disconnect is very concerning.
His summary of what he learned was really off. He missed the part about history textbooks teaching that the civil war was not about slavery. And that even the word is replaced by “immigrant workers”. It’s mind blowing how anyone can hear that and just forget about it or not see the negative implications of it.
Why did they keep going back to crt being taught in grade schools, when it's been abundantly and clearly explained that it is a class that is only taught in certain LAW schools, not to children? How many times does it have to be explained to them?
Exactly. Also, why is “parents skeptical of crt” even a topic? That’s like asking “why parents don’t want classes on how to burn down buildings.” The class isn’t being taught - period. This was more like “why parents are nervous about their kids learning about race, diversity and systemic issues.” Dr Anderson was clear that CRT isn’t being taught in k-12 learning or even in undergraduate studies.
7? 7 times 77? There is no amount of explaining to be done? Their purpose is to confirm the bias is those who think the same way do…and possibly to pick up a few converts
Wrong. The pandemic has opened a window in to what the kids have actually been getting taught and the results were frightening. This was the reason for the red wave in the the special elections and the massive tsunami that is sure to come in midterms. Parents are sick of their kids being taught this nonsensical racist hatred/self-loathing.
@@jquick3993 please stop. The “goal” isn’t to do any of that. And no curriculum says it. That’s just something those on the right have said in response to the fact that crt isn’t being taught in k-12 education. Teaching about slavery isn’t CRT. Teaching about MLK’s writings isn’t crt. Neither is reading Toni Morrison’s “Beloved.” But racist lying disingenuous clowns on the right have gotten their base all frothy-mouthed and angry talking about “It’s crt!!!” It’s not. And pointing out the systems set in place in this country where race was largely a determinant of who had rights, resources or true access to the American dream is not “corrosive.” It’s accurate.
Because that's the buzzword that keeps being thrown around. CRT has become synonymous with simple critical thinking regarding the effects of race relations throughout history.
As a non American,it’s painful to watch the naivety of this couple,and indeed the 10’s of millions of “Christian” white Americans...🤦♂️
As an American I feel the same as you do. I feel guilty that anyone would associate me with them.
It is important to remember this is propaganda. They would not chance having anyone on who would expose an expert as lacking.
@@kw2080 Anyone who would set out to try to “expose them as lacking” would fail. Because they aren’t lacking in any genuine way. And they would probably only expose themselves as ignorant. Nobody wants to hear someone who lacks empathy going on about some crazy conspiracy theory that this is all part of a nefarious plot to harm their kids. We get that in the news every day. It’s not “propaganda” to fully listen to something before making a sweeping judgment of it, while asking clarifying questions. It’s not meant to be a debate. It’s so people can learn more about a topic they may only have gotten a one-sided view of.
@@michellesvintagelibrary by definition, this was a one sided view. You speak highly of one sided propaganda. I’m not sure if I said anything about a debate, but both sides can be discussed intellectually;it is possible even if you are ignorant of intellectual discussions. That by the way, is probably the issue with this discussion. There should have been push back on the flawed parts. Obviously, this video segment was a scam. The expert would not be able to support this as a test. There is no meaning to one participant having a moderate racial bias and the other having a slight.There is no meaning to this as an individual test at all. Her interpretation should’ve had additional clarification. It was a scam. I can say that as an expert in the area myself.
@@kw2080 Considering the fact that all conservatives hear all day long is one sided propaganda against CRT, this video series is providing an opportunity to hear it directly from people who understand it, and that is necessary. If the news (and opinion shows that now are passing for news) were doing this sort of thing every day (presenting a positive side of the issue as well as the usual onslaught of negativity) this type of in depth discussion would be unnecessary. But it’s very necessary because people these days are opinionated but sadly uninformed.
The professor was so nervous. Her energy demonstrated that no matter how she tried to hide her fears, her body was quite aware. She seemed afraid of the truth that the parents were typical racists. She seemed nervous about interacting with them. Imagine how Black people feel around these same type of parents. The truth of America. You cannot hide.
I don't believe those people were racist at all. They were ignorant, and they were willing to be educated. That should be applauded, NOT condemned. As for the Professor, I just thought she was nervous about being on national television and the world wide web. I could be wrong about why she seemed nervous, but then again, you could be wrong, too. #JustSayin
@@KTBroadcasting Your comment implies I could be correct, which I AM! My thoughts and beliefs are mine, not yours. Most trolls like yourself cannot handle Black people who see straight through the body language and comments of other races. Watch someone like Jane Elliott and learn more about the context of your denial. Have a great weekend.
@@theExpansionwithVanessa Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm black. And my thoughts & beliefs are mine as well, but you opted to comment, so I am free to say what I like. And I did not imply anything. You inferred.
@@theExpansionwithVanessa oof found the racist...
the presenter is nervous because you have to be maladjusted to go about telling people they are racist based of aof an implicit bias test so thoroughly debunked *it's inventors disavowed it*
your CRT idea sucks
if you're racist your racist
if you're not racist you are also racist, because you dont see it, AND I CAN TELL BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN AND (WRONGLY PERCEIVED IN THIS CASE) THE COLOR OF YOURS.
these ideas come straight from marxists like marcuse, and were intended to divide people for the purposes of revolution. 100's of millions of people died due to the abject failures of class marxism IN THE 20TH CENTURY and handing the next revolution over to racists with a doctrine of resentment isn't going to happen.
people are waking up to the truth of CRT and other critical theories and how it's bad ideas are being smuggled into everything
Critical theories only know how to criticize but they cannot build anything...they are cultural poison which is why you have to teach them to children and mandate them at businesses. good ideas just get uptaken into the cultuee easily...
those of us that believe in content of character will win....
@@KTBroadcasting why you simping for racist white folks as a black person,theres no benefit in it for you to do so!
It doesn't make you look non-racist when you say I don't like the word race. Regardless of if you like the word or not, race is something that affects billions of people and it is a very real thing.
However, race is about as useful as distinguishing people by their height.
Should we have a tall race and a short race categorization as well?
There is absolutely no such thing as race. Not really. Not by any scientific or anthropoligical standard, anyway. But you're right. I don't like the word at all, but as the entire world doesn't exist in Academia, it will be a long, loooong time before everyone realizes there is no such thing. In the meantime, we DO need to be aware of 'race' and how it impacts people.
Ok but there is no such thing As credit....like physically. But we don't treat that like it doesn't exist...it has real impacted and is a very real thing!
@@melaniebruton6291 I understand, completely. This is why I tell people who say they are 'color-blind' that it isn't the solution, but part of the problem. However, I for one, hope that we continue to strive for a time when we CAN exist with the global understanding that Race is not real. And for the record, I feel the same way about things like credit. LOL
@@KTBroadcasting I have tried, but you gat tried of putting your hand out and someone keeps slapping it down
he nitpicks a lot and looks for loop holes and ways to convince the interviewee that his random exceptions are as strong as the prevailing experience of people of color.
In all these interviews you can tell they think they have some overall superior general knowledge, that they will be the real teachers. They will misinterpret a point and then say okay we agree on that... ugh
@@lampb00bs I believe the superior knowledge they think they are in possession of is Jeebus
@@anothercitizen4867 However, SJWs also feel they have some superior general knowledge as well; that's just a human trait. SJW programs sound good in theory but haven't helped to improve a declining society. The recurring pattern seems to be that whenever societies distance themselves from "God", they die.
@@endigosun I suppose it’s akin to your superior AWC knowledge and morals that leads people to subjugating those they identify as others
Understand what you mean, but I thought he was playing devils advocate, and basically expressing what a lot of white think and feel. I still think it's good they're having these conversations, it's a start to opening a space for meaningful change.
What he called tokenism has nothing to do with actual tokenism. He just described tracking social attributes to prevent discrimination.
Tokenism (he really should look it up) is more about using someone from a discriminated group as prop to justify/pretend not doing any discrimination. E.g. when people say they can't be racist BECAUSE they have a poc friend, or when the proud boys push one of their black member as their leader when he's actually just a face and don't really lead them; or when a poc artist or celebrity is only called to appear on the news when there is a social issue involving a poc, whether it has something to do with said celebrity or not, whether they have an opinion on the mater or not. There are many examples of tokenism, but what he described is not one.
Also, all throughout this exchange, it was clear the interview had not much idea about the subjects they were talking about, and had to figure out what it was and how to connect that to her area of expertise. That's messed up and it's not even her fault. It was functionally equivalent to asking people in the street, really. This interview was just annoying.
I’ve been watching these videos where this couple engages in conversations about race. I think they & folks need to ask themselves a few questions. 1.) What was the point of slavery an Jim Crow? A minority of people owned slaves. A minority of people were klan members. But there’s was massive efforts & resources dedicated to maintaining the system. Why? Even most abolitionist who like to think as heroes in the fight against slaver didn’t actually agree with equal rights. They only thought slavery itself was wrong. What was it that they were protecting? 2.) What the the opposition do when progress was made? When slavery ended, how did people respond? When laws were passed to protect the rights of the formerly enslaved, did everyone agree with those laws? And if not what did they do? When desegregation, voting rights, and housing discrimination were all outlawed, did the masses of people who opposed those changes just accept the new normal without consternation? What did the leaders and politicians who opposed progressive changes respond civil rights laws they didn’t like. 3.) If a minority of people ever even owned slaves or supported the KKK, they why was the peculiar institution (slavery) allowed to exist and thrive for so long only to be replaced by another century of discrimination (Jim Crow). Why did it take a civil war to end slavery in America but other world powers gave it up without one and decades earlier? Why was the civil rights movement then necessary 100 years later? If it was just a minority of people who were actively in white supremacists organizations, why didn’t more political leaders feel pressured the majority of their constituents to be more outspoken about racial justice and equality? After 1965, what happened to all those segregationists both in political power and in local communities? What was their response to all the changes in laws protecting folks on the basis of race. Did they let it go at that point or did they try to undermine & rescind laws they themselves didn’t agree with?
I think answering these questions can do a lot of good in making these conversations more productive.
This is a really nicely organized bit of writing. It is a relief to me that I see this at least once in a while. Nice job!
Yes, this format and the couple is odd. I thought he was Glen Beck, at first. Two more great questions that I NEVER hear asked but regard CRT. 1) WHO created it? 2) What was it's purpose? and I guess, 3) WHERE gives a lot of information.
Your question "Why did it take a Civil War to end slavery? " to me, is pretty baffling. So, if you were going to buy a ranch and you started trying to determine what was the most profiable business model which, shoule be easy to determine,,HOW would it be possible that there is anything cheaper AND easier and just a better choice , than paying a normal unskilled labor wage to a crew? It seems logical that someone would have to have weighed that model against, slavery, and SOMEHOW decided that slavery was better??? If it was more profitble it could not be by much, right?
Well said!!
👏👏👏👏🤎🤎🤎 this is something Tim Reid should answer. He sipping on the tea hard, we need to something more than
@@tonybparalegal they were skilled. Didn’t just pick crops. They built the houses, cooked, cleaned, raised kids, butchered animals, landscaped, painted ect all this on the property where they lived and wherever their owner wanted them to work. Their children were also owned. Migrant workers take the money they earn and live in a different economy. To equate the two shows a lack of understanding.
@@tonybparalegal Larry Jones is correct ... Angolans were some of the first enslaved Africans to be brought to Virginian. And Angolans were chosen because of their knowledge and skill in working cattle and cattle manure. These skills were essential in growing and cultivating tobacco crops in Virginia. Another example is in the late 1800s & early 1900s when Black Americans started to migrate north after experiencing terrorism in the south..when they showed up in the north and started to get hired in factories it became quickly apparent that these southern "unskilled" Black Americans were "somehow" very skilled and were able to replace many of the current workers that were employed at these factories..of course this was a main flash point of the race riots in the early 20th century (see: Red Summer).
How many experts do these 2 need to talk to be be convinced of the importance of CRT?
Conservative brains are such trash. They could talk to dozens of experts but at the end of the day none of it matters because they will still vote for the very people trying to remove CRT from schools where it doesn't even exist!
@@thicccorgi6187 are they going to erase thier history of how the came over and massacred the native American or are they going to tell their kids the natives gave them the land and the mad after the gave it
Let's give the series some credit for trying to guide 'regular people' to know more about these issues without the distraction of political rhetoric.
This isn’t only for them - it’s for many different audiences, those who don’t understand the issues discussed, those who do understand but want better ways to explain, those who reject the ideas presented…I think it’s great this couple is willing to stand in for so many people.
How many experts even school experts have to tell you CRT is not what you think it is. Your children are ashamed because you should be ashamed of slavery and Jim Crow
I’m glad comments are open on this one. Does anyone else feel like in part one with the amazing Dr that it was just all super “nice” and they didn’t actually listen to much she was saying at all?
The "not us" white couple were pandering and condescending to the good Dr.
They aren't listening now I either. I just watched the one with no comment section.
Absolutely. I kept wondering what this couple was thinking, after the professor finished explaining something. But they didn't really repond at all. They just went on to something else. I definitely like the polite format more thn the screaming talking heads, but i would like to see them actually reply with what they think, or more follow-up questions.
They're doing what a lot of us white people do, which is cherry-pick things they hear from these experts which they can spin to fit into their pre-existing ideas. They're listening (which is to their credit), but I don't see them challenging any of their own ideas - they're trying to re-confirm their own ideas.
That man and his wife are evil af.
I get tired of conservatives who say they get systemic racism, they seemed to, yet when it comes to the solution to make the world anti racist, they suddenly say it has to be just individual action. While that sounds like "do all the good you can..." what about "do no harm..."? It's basically status quo if the system works for you. If the problem arose and was strengthened systemically, the solution has to be systemic. While I am glad for this couple to be hearing these things, it doesn't seem like they are learning anything new. Just backing up what they already believed. "Crt shouldn't be taught in schools..." "Our white children cant have any feelings of guilt!" What about the kids of color? They don't get to not learn about racism...they live it...
It’s because you don’t understand the difference between conservative and liberal thinking processes. Read up on Jonathan haidts work about the two - it will explain all you need to know.
Systems are composed of individuals, dingus.
Yes, it's an individual solution.
I am glad they are trying to learn about biases but they are locked into CRT being taught in grade school, even when CRT is only taught in college law classes like Dr. Anderson stated. The problem is schools are trying to cut out or gloss over history. History is there to learn from it.
And being stuck in this groove of CRT means they both keep perpetuating the myth that it is taught in school, when it is not. Frustrating. 🇳🇿🇳🇿🐑🐑NZ
@@annemacleod1421 You are both confused &/or indoctrinated. CRT unquestionably is being taught in grade schools. It's true that schoolchildren aren't being taught what the theory is, but the theory is being applied to what they are being taught. It's indeed frustrating that people use this semantic slight of hand to pretend that there's no CRT being taught.
@@MaverickFor44 🤣🤣🙄 Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. You are a sad person.
I think they are trying to address the few instances where a regular teacher (usually a white savior type) creates an exercise using some of the more vague concepts from the writings.
The biggest one being separating children by white and POC - which basically looks like isolating and making someone feel isolated over the color of their skin (since this the level they can understand all this at that age.
Im not an expert at any of it and dont have kids. This is just the picture I put together from my rural family
@@chrisbaldwin1925 but it is ok when black kids get separated by race it happened, by an old white teacher in my daughter's first grade class. The blacks sat on one side and whites on the other
This guy wants it to work both ways, while not addressing or realizing that oppression is a factor. If he wants to learn, that's his first step. Not seeing race or ethnicity is the problem. We need to see all and make the decision to work towards equality.
So true, out of all the minorities Asians and Indians from India are the two that treat us like white people treat us.
Unconscious bias
I think race doesnt exist. Only racism. As in the concept of race and its defining aspects were created by the oppressive system and implemented into culture for the sole purpose of exerting racism. Or in CRT case creating law that embeds in a systems - therefore birthing systemic racism. **This was at least my take away from reading various authors of CRT or watching interviews. Im no lawyer though s I could be proejcting a little.
Ethnicity I think is the more appropriate term to use? Im not academic enough to be able to definethe differences
@@chrisbaldwin1925 Your theory is interesting, but not something I understand when dealing with the full context. Ethnicity and race are intertwined, even if they shouldn't be. We are the human race, with many ethnicities. That I get. Unfortunately, none of us can say "we don't see race" as it relates to modern society. I feel like I understand your premise, but I don't understand how it could actually work in the real world. I appreciate the comment, though.
@@TheCurt82 I do not ascribe to the "I dont see race" mandate of the 1980s. I think inclusion / diversity (in actuality) is the way a melting pot should go. We should celebrate each others cultures. Pick the good parts and ditch the bad parts. - how evolution works.
My point is that race (its concept and execution wad entirely created just to exert racism. White doesnt exist outside of US/Western term, Black isnt qa real thing other places. They go by heritage, nationality, and ethnicity/tribe
So our understanding and creation of the term race was made by the western colonists as a tool to create a resources distribution class system justifying slavery.
So in this context I wonder - our hanging on to this term and its subsequent boogie men may be lacking us in a perpetual battle o turning the tables on an exploitative society. - turning the tables means you are still at that table. So it wont fix the oppression problem.
I also wonder how the west will fair with the construct once it is obvious physically that races in any kind of isolated form bio linger exist.
idk - but when I replace the word race with ethnicity - an racist with ethnocentric I do not run into any problems talking to problematic with people about their position in this system. They tend to lower defenses and accept the structure as it is.....instead of fighting against a term an an insult.
Thats my experience FWIW
Him: I believe using the term race stratifies.
Him one minute later: Can micro aggressions be perpetuated by both “sides”?
The both sides comments got a bit annoying because it was like he was refusing to see the imbalance of it all.
Exactly. He kept saying but can black people do it too? Do black people do it too? Totally trying to find a way to make it seem like it's the same. His "mmhmm's were the kind that are like "yeh but I'm gonna say something against that though"
@@dmg.2443 exactly! A lot of white people simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that the reason there is so much inequality when it comes to race is because there was and currently is a huge imbalance on who's being oppressed and who's doing the oppression. They always want to argue that racism goes both ways so that they can avoid feeling any sense of being responsible for initiating change.
Hey, don't knock the other side. I learned there's a lot of good people out there. On both sides. LOL
@@trekkiejunk Ah yes, the former POTUS stating that some Neo Nazis and White Supremacists are "very fine people". And didn't his base eat that up.
It’s crazy how proud southern people are of they’re heritage but don’t welcome the whole truth of the matter. Nobody likes to be held accountable. SMH.
It's ridiculous. They want to cling on to the past so bad but hate anyone else even bringing up the past.
My take away from this session was a white man who's so dug in the only way he's going to see his own racist bs is for them to sit him in a room with a white supremacist and show how much he and racist have in common. Even then, he's probably just going to say "okay I'm racist and I'm good".
Yes I found it odd that he asked about regional differences as if those same folks lynching weren’t charming and full of smiles.
@@larryjones558 The CRT theory developed at Harvard law totatly ignores that the new capitalist system which had plantation slavery grafted on to it was the foundation of racism along with the foundation upon which capitalist law and society is built.
Evangelical Christianity is all about never having to accept responsibility. They just ask their magical BFF for forgiveness, and voila! They're magically forgiven, and never need to worry about it again. Or they ask their magical BFF if they're right, and boom! Their magical BFF tells them they're correct, so no need to question it ever again.
I appreciate this family taking the time to have these discussions.... But their comments make me feel like they didn't really absorb the information in part 1
They just took cliff notes to sound like they were really interested and educated from the other interview.
That's still left them better-informed than before - maybe not as much as we might like, but improvement is improvement. I think the cogs might be turning inside there.
@@phaudraig I agree. At least they're trying. I've encountered too many people who feel they've got it all figured out and that they're right so they don't have to listen to anyone else.
YES! and in every interview they have been in, regarding these issues.
I agree! It is frustrating the heck out of me. Not all white people are this dense when it comes to systemic racism.
I DO NOT like to speak negatively when people are well intentioned but this couple strikes me as two people who live in a cave. They appear misinformed, uninformed, and seemingly superficial in their understanding of these basic concepts despite making a effort.
Their questions and behavior almost seem like an SNL parody... I struggle to think that cultured people would be as clueless as this couple. They should reach out to me for a conversation; I have degrees in this topic. And, I despise conservative people using Dr. King's messages incorrectly as they do. It scares me to know I share a world with people this clueless. The couple doesn't seem more informed after all of this knowledge. He says he interacts with all kinds of people yet he is conservative and doesn't see how that worldview perpetuate the problems with racism.
Omg you took the words right out of my mouth. I couldn't stop thinking how similar this was to a skit on SNL. I'm so embarrassed for this couple.
@@dennishouston6286 Are you witnessing it to or just me?
You had me at despise conservative people.
Huh? I have no idea how you ha e come to this conclusion; 99% of what they said is AGREEING with the issues & DISAGREEING with the republican moves to supress conversations of race & TRUE history& systemic issues in this country(literally saying they are APPALLED that texas got a textbook for schools calling slaves "immagrant migrant workers" & etc)ETC. I don't know if you watched the first video of their discussion with Dr Anderson but if not you should definitely watch & i dont think its possible to argue that they are not in good faith trying to learn& understand these things & AGREEING with most of it, like genuinely have you not seen the behavior of republicans when if comes to these racial issues in this country? How could you possibly say that this couple,who in both this video &Dr Anderson video, are ACTUALLY trying to learn & have an open mind& engage in a healthy dialog& learning process about these topics when 99% of republicans refuse to consider other arguements, get defensive& resentful about hearing the truth about history & this country& are actually ALL OVER THE COUNTRY * PASSING LAWS TO PREVENT THESE CONVERSATIONS & EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS* , & engaging in so much racism & regressive politics around these topics, its literally mind boggling that you could come to this conclusions & i think the attitude you expressed is not only problematic & TOTALLY OPPOSED to the ENTIRE concept of the social justice movements about EDUCATING PEOPLE & fighting the conditioning & learned biases& so on, but i think is actually an enormous part of the problem wben it comes to the attitudes that are causing further division & DEEPENING RACISM & preventing progress & TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE LEFT & FURTHER TO THE FAR RIGHT. I'd encourage you to do a bit of self reflection on this attitude& consider WHY is apparently according to you somehow BAD to have republicans genuinley trying to learn in this divisive climate& actually arrive at agreement with most of left wing social justice aligned ideas in these conversations, your criticism appears to be a virtue signal with little basis in not only an understanding of the country at this moment but also of the actual principles of these social justice movements&the left
@@ar4203 They did not renounce their conservative views despite all they learned from talking to experts. I listened to the entire segment and they were still uncertain about alot despite all they learned.
As a former door-to-door salesman in 6 states coast to cost, who grew up in an ethnic enclave of NYC, I would have loved to knock on the🚪 of this couple. Which is to say, even these two has the biases that serve to reinforce the power structure. Imagine the millions of others who are not so accepting. This is why the notion of a post racial society is a pipe dream, unless folks like these two can persuade most who look like them. I had a 70 year old house inspector lament over the BLM protests, and asked me to explain. I reluctantly took on the familiar task of speaking for every African American, 30 minutes later he asked, “How can I change?” I responded with tears 😭 explaining as a grandfather I have never received a response from a white male like that. USN, Ret.
Your patience and empathy has paid off more than just this one person. Trust!
All the best to you and yours!
My only problems are 1. The way I hear this is being taught, and 2. That only black / white is being discussed. I have more bias against illegal aliens than I've ever had against anyone black. While I know that's wrong, it's hard to get over with the border stuff going on.
@@texaskatydid1081 Can you explain how you're hearing it being taught? Maybe we can help clear up any misconceptions.
@@texaskatydid1081 well knowing it's wrong is much more than I can say about millions of American who share your bias.
Ironically, many of these same people don't see illegal immigrants leaving Ukraine to save their lives and the lives of their families. They see Ukrainian Refugees.
@@texaskatydid1081 correction: white Ukrainians refugees. May I suggest the book, “White Fragility.”
Lynching is still law in many American states. Voting rights is being significantly eroded in certain states. So a significant proportion of America want it to be great again based on past oppressive practices
Yeah lynching is against the law in the US, there hasn't been one in 40 years, and the so called voting rights issue is about voter id.
The Emmett Till lynching bill passed recently in 2022
@@mike-ws3jlActually, the US congress never made lynching a federal crime due to powerful opposition from Southern senators. It wasn't until 2018 that the Senate passed the legislation, and a revised version passed by a vote of 410 - 4. Let me repeat the year. 2018.
And voter id is not the issue. It's that Republicans don't want black people to vote (they came out and expressed their wishes). All of a sudden, Republican states started measures that restricted black votes (not allowing votes on Sunday), shutting down DMVs to enable people to get id., restricting voting stations in black areas, where they have to travel far to vote and wait hours, while non black areas have ample voting stations. Please explain how it is just about voter id.
@@jackieandrea I never understood why elections in the US are held on a Tuesday
@@mike-ws3jl I like how you say "40 years" as if that's ancient history.
The lynching your thinking of was in 1981, man. The year Phil Collins' "In The Air Tonight" and Rick Springfield's "Jesse's Girl" was popular. The year of Raiders of the Lost Ark and Chariots of Fire. The year Reagan got shot.
It was not just within our lifetimes, it feels like it was yesterday.
Also like how you conveniently forgot about Ahmaud Arbery.
CRT is taught in law school, how can he become a lawyer without understanding CRT?
That this way the law is so unjust. Lawyers probably don't have to learn about it but can opt to .
Depends what kind of lawyer he is maybe.
Based on an estimation of his age (say 50), he probably did not have a course which included the concept of CRT. The theory as a formal, academic construct was in its infancy in law schools in 1995.
It’s an elective in law school.
If you think that laws should apply differently to people based on their race, then you are the racist.🤡
I believe the couple’s takeaway from the previous interview with Dr. Anderson missed the mark. The gentleman’s explanation of CRT was way off.
How so, be more specific?
@@jamestcatcato7132 the magnifying glass analogy and uncovering clues and the clues need to be worked on. The analogy was way off. If the magnifying glass uncovers clues I.e the truthful past then the point of CRT is to theorize how the policies and practices created the divide we have today.
At a funeral I once gave the analogy that life is like a relay race. The place you’re in and your lead or shortfall when you get the baton is dependent upon those that ran the race before you. However, with this topic you have to add that there were many obstacles that slavery, Jim Crow, and federal government laws and policies that were more than an impediment. They truly determined who wins and who loses.
Examples are not just the Rosewood massacre and Tulsa, Oklahoma but the Birwood wall in Detroit to partition off the black and white communities. The saying from the other side of the tracks is because federal dollars created the divide to draw the line that was not to be crossed. I could go on but I’ll stop there.
CRT is the theory of how it would be if these things didn’t happen and instead there is a movement to deny the past to prevent the truth of how we got here from coming to light.
He’s learning … Why didnt the instructor correct him ?
@@drwalka10 she probably wasn't present for the previous segment. If so she wouldn't be in a position to dispute what he said being he was supposed to be repeating what the Dr. Told him.
"I hate saying race because I just think it's a social construct but I'll just use the word for ease."
This is called "color-blindness" and is actually a form of racism. The refusal to take note of race actually allows you to ignore manifestations of persistent discrimination.
It's also an attempt to distance oneself from "racists". All around, it's totally unproductive and harmful to boot.
From Monica T Williams, PhD: "In a colorblind society, white people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society. Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives.
"Let's break it down into simple terms: Colorblind = "People of color-we don't see you (at least not that bad ‘colored' part)." As a person of color, I like who I am, and I don't want any aspect of that to be unseen or invisible. The need for colorblindness implies there is something shameful about the way God made me and the culture I was born into that we shouldn't talk about. Thus, colorblindness has helped make race into a taboo topic that polite people cannot openly discuss. And if you can't talk about it, you can't understand it, much less fix the racial problems that plague our society."
Check out the book: "Racism Without Racists" by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva for more.
This is what we call a Marxist thought trap. You don’t get to decide what other’s intentions or thoughts are - fucking get over yourself 🙄
It’s gonna be depressing going through life projecting on everyone else because maybe you’re work isn’t good enough 🤷🏼♂️
🤡Racist if you do, racist if you don’t🤡
@@poolhall9632 they weren't talking about their intentions, rather the effect it has. On the other hand, what is the intention with your comment? Why did this trigger you so bad?
@@jelatinosa and there it is again.
Assuming others intentions *have to be motivated by race*.
Thanks for making the point. 👏🏼
@@poolhall9632 what was it I assumed? I merely asked. I didn't know that asking about your intention was equal to assuming it. Why didn't you say what you intended then? Or maybe you did, by getting needlessly defensive.
@@jelatinosa and we come full circle. “Racist if you do, racist if you don’t”
Holy shh..., does that man just have severe comprehensive issues, or was he purposely misreprenting Dr. Anderson's position. It sounded to me like he was straight up lying. I would be so sad and angry if I were Dr. Anderson and saw that this is what he took out of our long conversation, and then dared to completely misrepresent my position like that. Wow. I thought these people were just misinformed, but it seems like they are straight up deceptive and manipulative, and their misunderstanding is completely their choice.
And he clearly says the word "theory" thinking that people are too stupid to understand what a theory is. Or maybe he just is this uneducated, and knows many like him are.
This is the "magic" delusion "good" ytppl use to maintain the farce of moral superiority while simultaneously participating in the same system that's demonically ravaged this planet the last 500 years.
I thought the exact same. He's definitely intelligent. Intelligent to know exactly what he's doing and doing it so it panders to his conservative base.
At first, I thought they were simply misinformed and that they genuinely wanted to learn. But what they're doing is very intentional.
Why didn’t the professor correct them ?
@@drwalka10 It's very likely they didn't see his interview with Dr. Anderson.
This couple doesn’t get it. Dr. Anderson didn’t say CRT shouldn’t be taught in schools, she said it isn’t being taught in schools. They are not willing to actually learn/not hearing what they are being told.
This goes to show you that even an attorney can be dumb as a box of rocks.
Lol
This lawyer is good at believing everything he is told.
@@kw2080 Everything EXCEPT that "children aren't being taught Critical Race Theory" as Dr. Anderson explained to him multiple times just the day before.
@@BringFactsOrBackAwaySlow this video is not about CRT. My research area is neurolinguists so I am very familiar with button push experiments. This one was presented incorrectly. There is no way one can interpret a level of racial bias from the experiment given and certainly not on an individual level as a “test”. As for your specific point to me, I’m not sure I fully understood your point. The video you referred to in which the expert said CRT is only taught in law school, I believe the “parents” fully accepted as truth without pushing back. They asked a few follow up questions where the expert said something like what is being taught is history or true history; if you have a better quote you would like to share about what is being taught please do so. I’m trying to quote from distant memory. My concern is two fold. First, the appropriate level being taught in grades. I had to even censor a kindergarten class on HBO kids from my 2 year old because it was being taught as though white people don’t like black people. That’s not true in my opinion and not what my mixed race kid did needs to hear about his dad. Second, true history has been taught since I was in school but teachers are not all quality, so topics like this should reign in bad teachers some (esp. in grade school and middle school). Ultimately, we have to decide if we want a united nation or not. My vote is for kindness, mutual respect and understanding.
@@kw2080 The husband misquoted Dr Anderson self-servingly. That isn't in dispute, right?
38:18 Did she actually suggest that watching more Roots would help people not be as racist? I like the pause Dr. Allison has, like she's taken back by how ridiculous the suggestion was and she's trying to be nice about her answer.
It was also stunning to hear her talk about abolitionists freeing slaves and making things better now and that how many of them were people of God. Did she just forget that many of the people who did the enslaving considered themselves christian? Hell, God himself didn't have a problem with slavery.
The privilege just oozes out of everything she says.
As we say in the south.... Bless her heart. She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I went to Catholic school in the 60's and 70's; in 8th grade the teacher Sister Jane Elizabeth, taught about slavery ( she was a great lady as I look back) I was the only Black kid in the class and I promise you knowing about slavery did not make anyone feel bad.It was embarrassing for me but did not generate hate or anger towards anyone and no one treated me any differently.
We ALL learned about slavery and the wrongs. This is not what happening with CRT. This wants to teach children of color they are suppressed and judged by the color of their skin, and non- poc chikdren that they are racist. Ugliest, grotesque idiocy I've ever seen. Child abuse in my opinion.
@@malibu405 That's not even remotely what they're teaching.
@@brandybobandy2194 it's been documented. It's exactly what some educators are teaching, so...your misinformed. We've not had situations of the dividing by color in our local schools, but there is video evidence that there are classrooms doing this. I've seen slighter versions of it in my childrens classrooms. Yes, it's happening. And it's crippling ( I believe) all that are touched by it.
@@malibu405 you’re either lying or you simply don’t know. First off, unless you’re talking about graduate-level studies, CRT isn’t being taught to your kids. That’s fact. Second, no one is teaching that black kids are “suppressed.” Pointing out actual systemic inequities isn’t doing that. And CRT doesn’t deal with individuals. It’s referencing a system in place created to advantage some over others. It doesn’t say “white folk are just racist.” That’s a silly argument and not one any curriculum would endorse. You might have heard a story about something, somewhere and are now using that as a blanket indictment of the theory when what you’re talking about has zero to do with CRT.
@@CHEETAH69 you may be right about some of this, I hope you are. But it's not what I've wittnesed. I have seen/ heard on video various officials speak from bith sides of their mouths on the subject. I'm curious if any people from your pov take time to listen to people that think like me.
I have concerns after watching the vids of this couple. I am very concerned. These are not real convos but a need to justify how a belief system is held. KNOW what happened and KNOW how it it affects people today. Why is this so hard to see where you are on the spectrum and why you are treated differently because your skin matters and how skin color impacts the masses?
They understand it, but admission of that understanding also means confronting and/or possibly changing the way they think/act and that isn't an option that they're comfortable with.
Because that would conflict with their core belief that they are better than people of color in virtually every way. That's why white people have more money than people of color, don't ya know.
He doesn’t seem to get that it’s not that only white people have micro-aggressions toward minorities. It’s about the power that is behind that micro-aggression.
this series actually scares me even more about how insidious racism and racist beliefs exists within people who outright deny it and work so hard to make it a non-issue
Yall are terrible at converting racist
Yes your right..
The 5 Steps to Critical Thinking:
What is critical thinking?
In general, critical thinking refers to actively questioning statements rather than blindly accepting them.
Critical thinking results in radical free will.
1. The critical thinker is flexible yet maintains an attitude of healthy skepticism.
Critical thinkers are open to new information, ideas, and claims. They genuinely consider alternative explanations and possibilities. However, this open-mindedness is tempered by a healthy sense of skepticism (Hyman, 2007).
The critical thinker consistently asks, “What evidence supports this claim?”
2. The critical thinker scrutinizes the evidence before drawing conclusions.
Critical thinkers strive to weigh all the available evidence before arriving at conclusions. And, in evaluating evidence, critical thinkers distinguish between empirical evidence versus opinions based on feelings or personal experience.
3. The critical thinker can assume other perspectives.
Critical thinkers are not imprisoned by their own points of view. Nor are they limited in their capacity to imagine life experiences and perspectives that are fundamentally different from their own. Rather, the critical thinker strives to understand and evaluate issues from many different angles.
4. The critical thinker is aware of biases and assumptions.
In evaluating evidence and ideas, critical thinkers strive to identify the biases and assumptions that are inherent in any argument (Riggio & Halpern, 2006). Critical thinkers also try to identify and minimize the influence of their own biases.
5. The critical thinker engages in reflective thinking.
Critical thinkers avoid knee-jerk responses. Instead, critical thinkers are reflective. Most complex issues are unlikely to have a simple solution. Therefore, critical thinkers resist the temptation to sidestep complexity by boiling an issue down to an either/or, yes/no kind of proposition. Instead, the critical thinker expects and accepts complexity (Halpern, 2007).
Critical thinking is not a single skill, but rather a set of attitudes and thinking skills. As is true with any set of skills, you can get better at these skills with practice.
In a nut shell, critical thinking is the active process of minimizing preconceptions and biases while evaluating evidence, determining the conclusions that can be reasonably be drawn from evidence, and considering alternative explanations for research findings or other phenomena.
CRITICAL THINKING QUESTIONS
>Why might other people want to discourage you from critical thinking?
>In what situations is it probably most difficult or challenging for you to exercise critical thinking skills? Why?
> What can you do or say to encourage others to use critical thinking in evaluating questionable claims or assertions?
thank you for this
I've watched two of the videos with this couple, and they are to be commended for their spirit of openness and listening to others with different expertise and experience than theirs. That said, I've been watching kind of in the (perhaps naive) hope that I'll see them actually re-examine some of their own preconceptions. To be honest, though, I'm kind of discouraged by them. Because what I actually see is them working to *shore up* their own preconceptions: "Yeah, what you're saying rings true to me because it logically can be spun to support school vouchers," etc. I see a desire to "both-sides" racial discrimination, because one time some black guys at an HBCU made this white woman feel a little unwelcome. The guy always makes a point of saying that he doesn't like to acknowledge race as a tangible categorization. He also likes to use and re-use the example of blatantly racist Jim Crow laws as "a thing in the past that anybody now knows was wrong." But he/they aren't called out for these evasions. Nobody says to them, "yeah, you *one time* were un-welcomed by some black people at an HBCU. Black people are unwelcomed *every damn day of their lives that they go out and deal with other races, anywhere." Nobody says to them, "you may not want to acknowledge race as a tangible category, but guess what - you live in a country that always has and still very much does treat it as a tangible category. Of course race isn't a big deal to YOU, because you're white, and you don't HAVE TO think about it if you choose not to, because you're on the top of the historically elite heirarchy." Nobody says to them, "first of all, there are waaaay more people in America right now than you'd like to think who definitely don't consider Jim Crow to be wrong. And second of all, you keep pointing out examples of racism *from the past*, because you want to think that racism is over and done with, and we've fixed it and it's not really a problem, because that would mean you don't need to actually take a hard look and recognize your white privilege, and change any of your attitudes or give up anything you've always felt entitled to."
Same here, Cheek
Yeah. I feel like they want to perform as if they’re open to learn. But it seems like they want to gather info to prove they’re already right or that they already are “not racist.” Maybe in doing this, they will learn valuable things that move them along & allow them to evolve.
@@butterfly_decal I hear you. A lot of times people like this who feign openness are actually just looking to reinforce their own conclusions.
Lol
@@lifecloud2
Translation: "I can't objectively defend my views."
Those who seek true understanding, must first be presented with the truth. If truth is feared, understanding becomes the ultimate darkness.
And that's where the problem begins!
Trying explain the truth away, doesn't make in actuality go away. I hope everyone realizes this.
Explaining the truth is the cure for ignorance. Less ignorance means less racism. See how that works?
Very little truth exists in the public consciousness concerning race
@Kaliym- I agree, and it won’t as long as partisan politicians continue to try to regulate what teachers and schools can and cannot teach about race (which is what is happening, in lock step, all across the country right now).
I suppose at the end of it all the guy still stuck to his guns? Dr Carol in episode 1 was supreme in how she showed patience in answering and providing examples to their questions.
If after all their research he’s unwilling to admit to some implicit bias then it shows how long we have to go in this country to reach consensus
Totally agree. 🇳🇿🇳🇿🐑🐑NZ
This guy loves to hear himself talk
And loves to participate in the display of learning
How many times does people have to tell you that CRT is NOT taught in grade through high school?
As a lawyer this guy should KNOW there is a disparity in the treatment of races throughout the legal system. I do not believe these people are as ignorant on the issues as they seem.
There is also an even bigger discrepancy in the justice system between the two genders - males get much tougher sentences than women for the same crime - so if the justice system is racist it also sexist ..
@@brianmeen2158 I don’t disagree.
This professor is pissing me off how can you study this and then be pushed into a corner to just nod yes and agree with everything with this man is saying?
Prof seems like she doesn’t feel confident about the information she’s sharing.
@@marialandrum5477 Yep, she is an accredited PhD, has spent her life studying the subject, but thinks this random guy knows more than her about her area of study. 😂🤣
Professor is a nervous wreck because she has no confidence in her ideology. I don’t blame her as much of what she said is pseudo science
But the movie Roots is not accurate history. Black African slave owners sold their own people to the Europeans
This interview could have been so much better. She was trying not to rock the boat…
I applaud the couple for taking the time and putting forth the effort to learn. Many people are misguided by media and never check their biases. On the other hand, now that they have become aware does it change their behavior?
If this husband keeps saying as a prefacing to any statement dealing with race that he doesn’t see race and that that race is a social construct and then goes into the discussion which is about race as a subject, it will be harder for him to change. Yes race is a social construct and we shouldn’t see it, but the point is as we’re finding in these discussions, is that this social construct is reality and it is the base of some of the wrongs that we need to correct. And we need to be able to acknowledge those wrongs and part of acknowledging the wrong is acknowledging the social construct that has become real and has been used to categorize and divide people by a characteristic. It is in that division where the negative characteristic was applied in that group of people has taking ownership of it to make it a positive. Just in the fact that he keeps saying that he doesn’t see race he’s dismissing those people in their feelings and that’s part of the problem that’s going on today. You can learn all the history know all the knowledge as to what is going on but if you’re still dismissive to the people that are going through it you cannot change it.
@@BuckleBunny I agree with you. I do think it comes from a place of embarrassment for him. But I would rather they talk about it and have it on their minds then not. Baby steps. There is a great discussion on CRT if you haven't seen it with the same couple.💚
Too bad that his true intentions may not be to learn anything, but instead to confirm the biases of some of his like minded viewers.
@@BuckleBunny Exactly. It is also hard for them to really accept that the way they live is due to the "systemic racism " that has been increasingly codified since the 17th century or so. How can they accept that they are part of the system that has dehumanized POC yet grants them their socio-economic privilege? They want to be good guys. Sad. They need time to continue their education. They need to be brave.
B S You'll have to find the video of this couple after all the interviews they did. She says she's changed her view, but she said it reluctantly. He, on the other hand, after speaking with experts has not changed his mind.
So they took the comments down on the other video. She went to two HBCUs and still felt like critical race theory was going to hurt kids. She spent all that time with black ppl and still didn’t learn ish. 🙄
Can't we at least get the facts straight. Critical Race Theory is Not Taught In K-12 Schools. It is Theory studied in advance Law Classes
Where the hell did they find this couple?? They had me cringing everytime they opened their mouths, they have to be acting. There's no way people so oblivious and unaware as to what's going on in today's society exist.
These people are pretty indicative of people who watch Fox News exclusively
There are like 70+ million of them....
Hoo boy, do I have some bad news for you...
You'd be surprised to know how prevalent their mindsets are in today's society.....ESPECIALLY post Trump Era. It's scary. VERY!
Geez…they’re trying. To me it’s like learning about what left-handed people go through, or what LGBTQ people go through, or what disabled people experience. If you’re not in any of those groups you’ll be surprised at how much you’re oblivious to.
There are plenty of people living their lives who don’t ever need to think about these things. Then there are the people who walk around with a lot of assumptions that they never question. I guarantee you that you have quite a lot of people like that in your life right now - do you think your parents, aunts, uncles, cousins are all aware of the issues being discussed here?
These two are taking the opportunity to hear things they’ve never discussed with anyone else. Me - I prefer to read books, and have read a lot of about these issues. Maybe you’ve done the same, but not everyone reads that many books.
These feel less like discussions and more like a thesis defense.
Dr. Skinner-Dorkenoo -- excellent job and explanations. Thank you.
This guy is trying his best to make racism a two way street .. that’s not what these discussions are for .. it’s for you to receive the information to understand how racism is weaved into the smallest things so that you can extract it and possibly eliminate it
I disagree, I think the idea or concept that blacks can’t be racist due to a power imbalance is not only wrong but idiotic. Racism is racism whether it comes from a white, black or brown person. Here’s the thing: if we can’t agree on this rather simple idea then how can we begin to have a discussion about race? That was the guys point
New to the channel and I'm trying to figure out 😳 what exactly are you guys trying to understand 🤔.... Like I'm black and I don't have any insight or way in to "White Society" but I could tell you every advantage that having White skin affords you..Soooooo why does systemic racism need to be explained to you @11Alive... I think we're past explanations at this point you either care or you don't
I think they did it for the people who don't know and to possibly shift the view of those who don't care...
So tell me of all the advantages that the white skin of appalachians affords them? Go ahead, I’ll wait
@@brianmeen2158 this from 7 months ago bruh but in short look at Dahmer if he was a black man in a predominantly white building the cops would have been got him outta there or the cop that shot timir rice would have gone to jail or the white dude that shot up that black church wouldn't have got taken to burger king the list goes on and on if u too stupid to understand what's happening right in front of u then I can't help u just stay in ur racist bubble
You cannot honestly tell the history of a capitalist society like the U.S. without telling the story of Labor. Free Labor. Slavery.
I lived the movie Roots, and for what it's worth, those whom are white, who actually cared to get something out of it, it was a good thing.
I was 11 when that movie came out. The white kids were not nice and as it was retelevised, I had to deal with the kids in high school. It just made them feel powerful and supreme and as if attending 99% white schools on the every day wasn't bad enough, it just got worse so I think how these things are received are very much dependent upon the environment, the parentage one happens to be born to.
It'd the same with this CRT. NO BODY WANTS TO KNOW OR UNDERSTAND ANYTHING TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE because they like things the way they are and don't want anyone changing it. Many know better while they run down to the elementary schools and threaten lives and waste time it makes them feel "powerful", supreme to make asses of themselves and threaten people. It's as if the bigger uglier we can make this, the better chance white washing continues just the way we like it and heaven forbid our little white babies ever have to feel ANYTHING for an "other. They want to raise ugly little minions and if this wasn't the case, why would teaching "real history" be a problem? Why is it so easy to vote against an anti lynching law, civil rights laws, why do judges clear as day clear all punishment for someone whos been convicted of killing a person or even raping a little white girl even, then publically shame the victim. Why do white's law enforcement criminals get the lilly white glove treatment while they're really begging the police to over kill but you simply need to be black and the police are offering up immediate sacrifices whether or not they pay their union dues. Let's not even talk about simply being a black civilian. They'll tell you to quit bothering them about your child's murder because the white guy that was present was a fine gentleman... Now go away.
Lets talk about the movie, The Color Purple. When I tell you the vast majority of people in that full theater were white and the though the misery was so funny that they laughed out loud; let's just say I wouldn't BS you. They loved it.
This country is shameful. The white people that run this country and even the lesser white people that the ruling parties could care less about love their white skin and the privilege just the way it is and anyone who doesn't see this most recent maniacal behavior as embarrassing, unjust and needing to be stopped is the problem AND the communists they are promoting in the gas light of patriotism, democracy and human rights.
Bunch of sociopaths.
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I wanted to hear this to hope that the details of CRT are communicated to these folks. When parents like them want to decry the teaching of CRT to their children, I've never heard one who can actually the discipline as it's taught, exclusively, in higher education. The reality, by and large, is that these folks represent people who are far more concerned with the simple history of slavery and associated racism in the US. The complexity of the issues that infiltrate how laws are made today just don't exist in primary school education. It's just the real history. AND sure it's uncomfortable for white folks, myself included, to find out the REAL atrocities that were endured by POC in the past. That's NOT CRT, that's just history. If we WANT the present and future to be more positive, we HAVE to be realistic about the past.
"I've always held that if my positions are worth holding then I shouldn't be afraid to ask any questions of anyone and listen to what they have to say"
*claps* Amazing, that's exactly how science works, great. Now, as long as you internalize the things those people say and apply them to your life, instead of (checks notes) insisting race isn't real and the USA addressed racism overtly once or twice in the past so everyone has an equal shot now thanks to Martin Luther King and my wife went to a black school once and we visited a foreign country and watched Roots so we rich white southerners know exactly what it's like to be minorities here... ...THOSE are all belief-based positions that require not just listening, but comprehending and accepting in order to change.
OMG THIS. Jim Crowe laws repealed RACISM IS OVER. This is my parents and it's SO FRUSTRATING because they want to be "good christian people" and they try to be "good christian people" but they refuse to see the implicit biases and EXPLICIT biases in my dad's case. It's crushing because I know they have it in them to be good loving people but if they cannot and will not self reflect or accept that they have room for growth.
So these 3 think race tracking questions on loan applications are actually used to PREVENT discrimination. All is does is make it easier.
That lawyer isn't trying to understand any more than defend his position. Fraudulent effort and a useless conversation. If you really want to understand. I will tell you in person, I will show you
My point exactly. He came into this wanting to make his point and refute whatever was brought up. I’ll say he had an easier task here than he did in the video with Dr Anderson.
Dr Anderson said CRT IS NOT TAUGHT anywhere EXCEPT in LAW SCHOOL! How did you misconstue this point Mr Attorney?
As an attorney, the gentleman probably took some kind of course in law school in CRT, since CRT is taught in law school.
Yeah. He didn’t seem to know much about law did he? He probably felt it was his civic duty to play dumb by using his whiteness to “shut up and listening”.
Maybe the course is an elective, so it is possible he did not take the course.
@@bria1660 it’s likely he would have a cursory knowledge though since it’s in his field.
I'm having an issue with Bart Glasgow saying that Dr. Anderson said CRT "should not be taught" in grade school, because it sounds like he is editing her comment to agree with him. Dr. Anderson clearly explained that CRT is NOT taught in grade school. She explained that it is a course taught in law school. It's not even really taught in undergrad. I initially thought he was on a sincere journey, but restating her comment makes is seem as if he's feeding into the conservative misinformation.
I’m white and it’s not difficult for me to understand systemic racism exists. I don’t know why these people are having such a difficult time understanding this.
At first I thought that a white person trying to explain this to white people was good but as this went on she didn’t really teach them anything! It’s Alot of things she should have pushed back on! Like when he said that black people could greet white people different! The difference if a black people greet white people how we do each other white people have the power to not hire them black people don’t have that power white people will label black people as one thing when they are not we have to conform to what they think is the way and it’s never the other way around! White people have the power to alter black peoples lives we don’t have the power to alter theirs!
Coley is VERY proud of doing teeth for 30 yrs
And being a minority at an HBC
Why are the comments turned off in Part 1 of this series but not on Part 2?
Next lets examine Asian supremacy in Japan.
Did they try to discredit the implicit bias test by saying it was “conditioning”?
I swear I think Republicans are a different species. How many times do they have to it be told that crt isn't being taught? Republicans remind me of teenagers.
When you were little and learned about how the forefathers treated the Native Americans, was your initial reaction shame at being white??? My reaction was wanting to be a good adult and feeling like I wanted to protect people if ever I had the power as an adult. Where people assume kids will feel shame to learn about slavery, I don't know
16k in 5 months just proves no one wants the truth or a reasonable conversation about these topics.
That part... certain people don't want to even hear about race, let alone talk about it and possibly find a solution.
"Roots" is not a good example to bring up. The author himself said that he exaggerated the facts, for the shock value.
You didn’t learn from the other interview that CRT *shouldn’t* be taught in schools, you learned that it *ISN’T* being taught in schools. Meaning this whole fuss about parents NOT wanting it in school is uninformed and based on those people’s feelings. You almost got it right there, Buddy. Also, the other side of the anti-crt parents isn’t parents wanting it taught. Very few, if any, people are going around saying it should be taught in schools. Y’all are just worked up about CRT because you think it’s something it isn’t and the other side is telling you you’re off the mark because you don’t even know what CRT is.
No, CRT has an activist component. It’s framework is being applied to curriculum in schools. Stop treating us critiques as though we are stupid. We know what is going on. CRT’s core tenets are being injected into curriculum. This is what people have a problem with.
@@robr.5044 ok interesting. I’ll start by saying I’ve read up and watched some videos about CRT, but am by no means anywhere close to an expert. Im just trying to understand more about it and more about why people are so upset. How does CRT have an activism component? I currently disagree with that premise, but you may know more about it than I do and maybe I’m wrong. From my understanding right now, it’s more a theory to explain some injustices built into our systems. I think maybe you’re making a leap that activism is *part* of the theory. Seems to me, most people who learn about and understand these injustices naturally want to change them, but I have not heard anything to indicate that activism is part of the theory. Similar to how climate change also does not have activism built in, but very often when people understand climate change they see the need to work toward changing humans impact on climate change. See the difference? It’s nuanced, but I don’t believe these theories don’t have activism built in.
Also, I’m having a really hard time guessing which of the “core tenets” you would be opposed to being taught in schools?
I’m open to being wrong here and learning more about this, so let’s have a good discussion!
Thanks for your response, much appreciated 🙏
@@ryans6186 I appreciate your willingness to have a conversation. Here is a link to a Wikipedia page on CRT with a number of different definitions. You will notice the activist component mentioned or alluded to in the terminology.
You see, it’s not that critics of CRT are opposed to righting social wrongs, it’s that CRT willfully or unknowingly may be misrepresenting the problem. Remember that they are looking at inequality through an intersectional and racial lens. Well, what if there are other variables involved? It is a theory after all.
For a deeper look at why CRT is corrosive. Look up James Lindsay’s podcast-New Discourses.
It's amazing for me that yt grown people act ignorant of history and current treatment of African Americans like its an urban legend. Then teach their kids to hate black people at home for redundant reasons. Which is why there's hesitation of teaching race theory to those same kids whom they lied too first leaving those kids confused. Black folks grow up being treated horrifically but is expected to not react so we don't make yt people uncomfortable. Example: A man beats his woman and expects her to act like she's happy in front of him and the world so HE doesn't feel responsible for another person's pain. Then he takes classes to act like he needs to "learn" that domestic violence is bad, is ridiculous. Take CRITICAL out of the title because it's inflaming. Making it something to fear instead of something to embrace as simple reality that all kids need to learn. Don't hide the bad and glorify and exaggerate everything else. Teach yt kids the truth so that they may grow sympathetic at a young age and avoid becoming oppressors and continue the problem that starts with people in socia/financial power..
To everyone dissing the “parents” in this series, understand that they are asking these questions as if they were parents skeptical about CRT. They aren’t actually skeptical about it (or more importantly, what the accusation implies).
Are we sure they aren’t skeptical? Because his questions felt a bit too authentic for him to just be playing Devil’s Advocate. “Can microagressions happen to white people too?” Lol. I hope you’re right. But I left the convo feeling as though they hadn’t really changed much in their thinking.
@@CHEETAH69 he did the but can black people be (...) Too? Alot, like see they do it too, it's ok!
Uugh!! Coming from a teacher, CRT is NOT taught in school!!!!!
People of safe have clipper perpetuated racism far beyond anybody else with a biblical and divine justification.( Praise God in the southern accent) The naïveté of these people is amazing it makes me sick to my stomach
Agreed “so dumb I don’t know it “.
@The Adjudicator I also see the Dunning Kruger coming forth, an attempt to disprove the expert. The questions they ask give it away. They keep trying to wrestle the answers onto the playing field of their own perspective. I'm glad none of these experts have indulged them!
@@brandybobandy2194 except they kind of have. I watch the first two interviews and literally yelled out, "don't indulge him!" As if they could hear me lol
@@jelatinosa Ha, well... Actually, I could see the experts getting exhausted and regretting participating in this project. :P
He doesn't actually understand what tokenism is. I wish she would have clarified that for him.
"Skeptical of critical race theory" is another way of saying racist. You don't get to be "skeptical of CRT" without being racist. Cut the BS.
Why would a racist subjugate themselves to this exercise ?
@@drwalka10 You mean elevate. They usually don't.
I'm here to see if the comment is open or not. Because the comment in the clip of the interview with Dr. Carol Anderson is closed.
Jane Elliot eye color study should be implicated in all grade schools, it gives understanding points of views with the reality of experience.
I totally agree
His need to make this individual is sending me. And let’s not even discuss the MLK and “America is the freest country in the world” statements, truly something. Him being an attorney and not being able to grapple with this is evidence of the fact that white ppl, even the nicest ones, are really struggling with this idea of a different kind of centering of whiteness. Roots every year as a suggestion, I think was sincere. This is incredible. Glad they did it though.
I’ve been telling people to stop listening to Republicans when it comes to CRT. Notice they never sit down with somebody who teaches the class and debate them on CERT
This couple actually did that in a different video.
@@HeidiNIndi I seen that
To Dr. Dorkenoo, you dropped the ball on this one. You allowed the husband to take over and re-direct the narrative. Extremely supportive to his opinions
Thanks for doing this 11Alive
Lol. That’s funny.
Someone said the professor seemed nervous. However, her answers were well-spoken, unbiased, & progressive. One thing stood out to me though. I watched this couple sit in front of several black professionals before this video and this, seemingly, was the first time they actually asked what they honestly wanted to know. This was the first interview where I got a glimpse of where they truly stand on this issue. Both were more engaged, actually sat up in their seats, and dug into the questioning. No offense but I watched the couple provide the black professionals with so much fluff about what black people he did his thesis on, and her multiple HBCU experiences, and in this video I saw a no-nonsense discussion about the actual issues they have with CRT. I kind of think that in and of itself should let them both know why CRT should be taught. We can visibly see your level of comfort with one race vs the other. Why would you not want people to understand what we just watched in multiple videos. I didn't even know the wife had a real opinion until I watched this video. To not give the black professionals the same level of interest and intentional conversations is a micro-aggression and somewhat insulting. I could be wrong though. *shrugs*
You read this session well!
What an excellent series. So much necessary information.
Sooooo this info was just aloof prior to this video 🤔😳
@@lawonwilliams1548 For the people who get their opinions from intentional misinformation, yes. At least they made it here... Just to ignore the actual information, given by experts in their fields.
Second time I'm seeing this couple talk to experts and it's a bit strange that the guy is the only one speaking, for the most part. When it's her turn, she asks the same basic questions. I feel like he's not learning anything, but trying to argue the point as a republican ( and I knew he was, just from the way he spoke about race). The point he's missing, or doesn't want to understand, is that, people that thinks like him, are part of the problem. I am willing to bet he's also "very" religious.
A suggestion to support CRT in the realm of law...and since he's a lawyer...watch 13th on Netflix
Checking a box to track demographic categories is not a micro aggression.
A white realtor showing a PoC only homes in areas that are majority non-white is an example.
Thanks for doing this 11Alive. Very well done series for our current times. Thanks to the couple for making themselves vulnerable to these discussions
Vulnerable lol. Not sure the propaganda was that good.
@@kw2080 BEGINIINGS HAVE TO BEGIN SOMEWHERE
@@johnbasement7337 profound. Though I don’t know what is beginning. Everything? Nothing? This propaganda? Life?
Economic justice would help.
Listening to the couple discuss watching Roots was especially painful smh lmaooo
She asked the lady
"From your perspective don't you think it would be good if they started playing Roots on tv every year again?!"
LMAO bish what u think BET already plays on Christmas day EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR. ughhhh cringe
He lost me when he said the GA election reform law was "fair" -
Think of race as your favorite board game. Now if you ALWAYS (FOREVER) you have a size able advantage and when you play with your friends they never get the handicap or the activated cheat code. Obviously you will win every single time. Is that the type of relationship you want to maintain with your friends, and how do you think they feel having to play under those circumstances?
So tell me why do millions of black and brown people risk their lives to move to America ? If they are so disadvantaged in a country like America, why not stay in a predominantly black or brown country? Why move to a country that will hold them down due to the color of their skin? Are they stupid?
@@brianmeen2158 because most people will risk a disadvantage rather than face zero opportunity. America has billed itself as the land of opportunity but some of us want to keep thinking of America as stack my claim and it’s mine rather than one Nation for All.
THE MORE YOU CAME TO JUDGE, IS THE LESS YOU CAME TO LISTEN.
I enjoyed this conversation and although it seemed that the gentleman was guarded or dismissive of something's I felt that he was overall open to listening. That is the start we all must strive for in communication. Not suppressing a theory that actually not in any Elementary, Middle, or High school syllabus.
this seems to be their schtick, there are a bunch of videos on this channel of this couple asking the same things to different people with similar responses. I think this is conservative PR
On that question about whether a white person can experience a microaggression, i think in that case it's just called "impoliteness". I may be misunderstanding this but it sounds like they're saying black people are on the receiving end of poor treatment more than white. I don't think they're trying to say "this behavior is strictly a microaggression" and "this is standard impoliteness" totally divorced from context.
Why is this so hard for them to comprehend, after speaking to multiple people about this? Their willful ignorance and fake benevolence are both painful.
I don't think you need to go back and discuss Jim crow laws. Let's look at the 21st century. Same laws, none taken off the books. So we still have the same conversations for over 100 years. How long does this conversation last until you get to the real issues. Facing today's issues is MOSTLY like facing the same issues of yesteryear! Very small progress. How long will we do this? Until the 22nd century.