Push Connect Shark Bite Fittings For HVAC?! -HVAC Retrofit Using Zoomlock Push Fittings-
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00:00 Introduction
03:15 Building duct transition
11:31 Electrical connections
15:52 Installing Zoomlock Push fittings
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Thanks for teaching me i am new i just started my g3
I've already spent 3000 on tools and still have a Amazon cart for another 500.. just to get everything for HVAC. Overall I've spent $13,000 in the last year on tools and equipment..
I've already spent 3000 on tools and still have a Amazon cart for another 500.. just to get everything for HVAC. Overall I've spent $13,000 in the last year on tools and equipment ECT..
I've already spent 3000 on tools and still have a Amazon cart for another 500.. just to get everything for HVAC. Overall I've spent $13,000 in the last year on tools and equipment..
I dont see a link for your tubing bender, did you not buy on Amazon.
HVAC tech here and have had these fittings on my own personal system and they worked great. 6 yrs so far and no leaks.
These type of connectors are designs for high pressure. It’s a reality that having to get away from using open flame is slowly going away. This brings to a safer work enviroment. Also, this is a science that many don’t understand.
Thank you for this! Most people wouldn't take this on, but for those of us who are adventurous, your help is amazing!
YES!!!
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This HVAC tech is a great Man Who loves to Share 👍
This HVAC guy is great in Sharing and Helping All of us 👍
I'm an HVAC tech and owner. That's good sheet metal work!
So glad I found your channel. Loving all your vids. Thanks brother!
Absolutely great job,…..so glad to see the new youngsters teach what they are learning,….simply wonderful
I agree that you do a great job however in Maryland/Washington DC, we can’t use flexible gas connectors by code, also we generally install an anti -vibration canvas in the section between the plenum and evap coil especially in an area 6 inches or less. It would be easier and less time consuming. Definitely quieter. I have 42 years experience and tried the push connectors on ductless and experienced leaks also. I was very disappointed. Still have some on my truck ! I do however applaud you for helping many folks get an idea of our trade. Please continue to learn and grow . And take a tip from an old guy, buy some Carhartt pants with knee pads built in, pricey but do it now while you are still young. Martin Sharp
Thanks for the tips sir!
I would sleep a lot better at night with the lines brazed. But, I'm an old timer and don't even like shark bites for plumbing :)
Wonder how it holds up when the run cap for the condenser motor quits on a budget unit with no hp cut out and the liquid line hits 450 psi.
I am old school too.
Been using Shark Bites for plumbing since 2008, never had a problem or leak.
@@dumbasshit1 Windy, don't they have an o-ring or seal that could leak after 20 years or so? Thanks
I've never lost sleep after brazing or soldering
On commercial units a refrigerant leak on a liquid line valve gets worse as the seals are refrigerated by the leak ; I am old school and do not use all this stuff , I braze !
Been using the push fittings for years recommend not turn or twist fitting as it can wrinkle or unseat double o ring in fitting also marked line should touch end of fitting if not release and repush on as it is not in all the way if not up to the line . use inside outside reamer as well as cutting cooper will leave lip on tubing and damage o rings when pushed in and prevent complete insertion.
Good job
Neat! I wish they had to shark bites 35 years ago. I knew some day it will get in our field but little too late for me now.
Super nice install. Thanks for a great video.
Beautiful install!
That was a very nice install, and it was very interesting. Thx 👍🏼
These are great to watch. Thanks!
The best part for me was the built up transition duct piece! Didnt know you could apply duct mastic seal to the inside of the duct.
I bought the die for the liquid line piston threads years ago when rheem started using aluminum threads.
It’s a life saver for damaged threads.
Thank you 🎉 for this video!! The soldered nitrogen joint is leaking so I believe I’m going to try this to fix it😊
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Every fitting has the potential to leak, even brazing. 👍 for trying something safer and faster.
These are far more likely to leak than brazing. There is no replacement for brazing and soldering. I've already gone behind installers to remove these fittings and braze the connections. Same with zoom lock (pro press for refrigeration)
The pro fit pipe connectors are awesome. I used them to replaced a chiller evaporator on a laser fabricator and there was no clearance to braise without dismantling the whole section of machine, so the price of the fittings was cheap to the alternative
You havent had no leaks ?
Love to see the comments of contractors asking how many installs you had, any call backs even thou their installs will leak after a year or so. They are putting the fear on regular people that don't want to spend the outrageous prices some of them charge. With the help of UA-cam, us DIY weekend contractors are saving thousands of dollars and there goes same for plumbing.
Thanks man, that’s the goal, as it’s in the title. I get so so many hateful comments but I have thick skin :)
@@diyhvacguyI would like for Update on this Installation due to Shark bite 😢😮
Squirt some more gas in and go!
Awesome video as always sir!
You’re a great teacher.
Looks nice. For me I will let those fittings be in use for a while before considering them. It is a sediment leg and not a drip leg. (A sediment leg has gas change directions off the branch like you have. A drip let is horizontal with the branch down with the cap) Tomato tomAto I suppose 👍
thank you for sharing your skills..! one day i'm have to use these tips to replace my rentals unit.!
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Great job thank you for content 😊
He is DIY, man. So relax, old timer. 😌 my country bann shark bite, so no comments on Shark Bite.
New tools and fittings!!
Nice attention to details!
We have years of experiences with these , they are prone to failure sooner rather than later .
Good luck
Thanks for your input. Are you referring to hvac ones or for plumbing?
Plumbers also say shark bite are trash and leak and you shouldn’t use them. I’ve been using these for years and never an issue. Key is prep. Don’t use on dirty pipe.
I’m talking about the refrigeration ones ! We have removed nearly 100 fittings that have leaked . Within the first 2 years of being installed .
My company does not install them , just had to repair a lot of those fittings from others .
Hope you have better luck
@@mattmitchel8931 2 years seems about the norm for these fittings. Zoomlock too. I just replaced a 1-⅛ suction service valve on a Trane condenser because the bell was cut off and a press fitting was installed. It was only 3 months in. Installer left homeowner hanging. Trane denied their warranty because their IOM states make all refrigerant line connections using a filler material containing minimum of 5% silver content. Homeowner had to pay for valve, labor, and refrigerant. I've removed over 100 of these fittings because of leaks.
@@topher8634 100 for real seem like somone is exaggerating. I doubt there are that many installed across and entire state let alone the small area you service
I'm looking to update from our old R22 system. Thanks for sharing!
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Don’t do it…all the new stuff is coming out with aluminum coils and piping….they’re making them so cheap and low quality I’m betting they won’t even get 5 years out of them before they start leaking all over the lines….the new type Freon isn’t as efficient…they’re “banning” it from being made in the US but it’s not illegal ..because duponts parent ran out and suddenly at the same time they decided that it was bad…my problem with the whole climate hoax is they’re labeling these gases like propane butane methane etc as ozone depleting….u can find all their charts etc online…on down the list is also carbon dioxide, oxygen, and all the gases they’re labeling the same…they plan to have all these banned in the US by 2035….what happens when they ban co2 and oxygen in a country? Everyone who is on o2 won’t be able to get it anymore….hvac is helping bring in this lunacy by perpetuating this belief that Freon is man made and needs to be banned….when u look what r22 is made of…methane butane and a bit of fluorine and chlorine to make the pressure a bit higher the r290 does…the d op in replacement for r22….r290 is propane….
Love your content. Installs are beautiful. Wasn’t a fan of how the whip for condenser was ran on wall
Keep the content coming.
Yea I didn’t have any conduit tied downs but this spring when I test pressures I’ll make it prettier :) thanks for the comment!
WOW.. game changer !! No fire or expensive tool needed
Nope no expensive tools... Just the even more expensive refrigerant that you'll be replacing down the road.
@@nateg08 have you seen Bluon R22 replacement
@Stanley Kania seen? Yes. I have not tried it out yet though.
@@nateg08 along with an expensive repair bill to rid the install of the quick connects.
Nice! Thans for the info.
GREAT work!!!!
Thank you!
Great video!
Wow! This is a game changer! That you.
Great video
Great video, I find in most service calls that I go to, the quick connects have leaks, on an average of 1 in 3 systems, and long-term are not a reliable solution for HVAC installations, no matter what the manufacturer says. maybe if your PSI is under 100. With new systems out there being a lot of heat pumps, they can go up to as much as 450-550 PSI in the winter in heat mode and break those quick connects easily! Plus anyone wanting a long-term install needs to braze, all these new conecters have not proven themselves 100% reliable yet.
im going to set these up in my home HVAC lab (yes I have one) and see how they do in heat mode where its not only pressure but the discharge temp on a heat pump run in 45-50f weather (yes we run our heat in that weather) is also pretty high
Ur good man, no fluff, just info
Hmmm... Cool. Just used SB on my new water heater a few years ago.
looks really good
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Good video🎉
I work in refrigeration. Me personally am iffy on using these fittings for refrigerants, but I have seen them work. Years ago one of our techs due to running out of oxygen and acetylene, used one. 4 years later, no leaks. So I guess they do work, but question is longevity and consistency.
Yeah they're awesome the rectorseal brand is what the company I work for keeps in the shop
That brand has been around since indoor plumbing was invented!
I use Staybrite 8 solder instead of brazing, works great and as easy as soldering plumbing with a propane torch.
Yesir I have a video on Staybrite 8 :) excited to use it more!
@@diyhvacguy +1 on staybrite8, when i was in the HVAC business alot of us used it... wont oxidize if you keep your pipes from getting too hot.. I have joints out there that are close to 20 years no leaks.. we didnt use it on big commercial installs.. it really doesnt work well on anything above an inch.. our cutoff as a company was up to 1 inch.. to a 7/8 line with staybrite but not a 1 inch.. most DIYers wont find anything that big unless they are working on big homes.. but even then not likely..
in the atlanta area most condos here will not allow brazing/ torch on property. plumbers and hvac company's use push on fittings
yeah those connectors seem pretty cool.. there are two types of them when you order them.. one is removable and the other isn't.. I think they prefer you use the non removable ones with the higher pressure systems but its been a while since I looked into them.. never used them but seems easy
Wouldn't want them on anything I own, tad bit expensive, cool engineering though. Definitely a game changer for home owners or DIY people.
Using a screen gasket tool as a bead roller is a pretty good idea!!! I am curious as to why you sealed off the old 2 or 4 inch (I couldn't tell by just watching the video) filter slot, and put in a 1 inch filter slot. I would have thought a thicker filter was better.
The house we bought had a 1 inch. I cut it to make a 4. Less filter changes and they don’t cost a lot more. Best of all more air flow.
Love Malco Tools😎🤟😎🤟
excellent
Ask a simple question in HVAC Forum and you see those angry HVAC folks attacking you and treating you like an idiot. Here you are, basically showing how it's done step by step.
I’m sure someone else in here has said it. My apologies, just in case they hadn’t. Your welcome electrician needs to come back and secure that conduit down with 12” of any connection and along the conduit 12”-18”.
Another good video thank you very much for doing this for us I appreciate it!
Is there still a recall on white line set insulation? Something about condensation gets trapped inside and pit holes develop in copper piping.
Thanks!
The Zoomlock looks like a better way to avoid brazing than the crimper. My concern with the crimper is that whoever follows you has zero slack to work with. A brazed piece doesn't need to be cut, and the Zoomlock appears the same.
Thanks for making these videos!
Shark bites have always been good when properly installed. If they work for HVAC that would be great.
Water plumbing shark bite couplers only have to deal with about 50 PSI or 3 Bars. Refrigerant lines can routinely work at 160 PSI or 11Bars, so I hope Pro-fits can withstand those pressures even with vibration from motors
UL tested up to 800psi Well over the high limit pressure setting
Water pressure is considered low in some areas at 60 psi.. I would say they are good for well over 200 just to deal with different conditions. Water hammer and such
Look good buddy
Amazing
Hi, what is the part number for the longer liquid line connector that you use to connect the zoomlock? I really hate that 90 degree bent connector.
Hey I just found your channel. I've been interested in HVAC ever since my compressor died one HOT summer afternoon. I asked the guy to install a sight glass and he laughed at me, saying no residential customer has ever asked for that, have you ever installed one in a home? Thanks for the great videos and sharing the TONS of knowledge you have!!
a sight glass is old school, but cheap enough, and they always work. (no moving parts) I installed them at my house.
No need 4 primitive parts
@@tonyrhoton6613 ... they had their place in R-12 and R-22 systems. Back before I retired that was always my first check on a system. That and checking temp drop and a look at air filters. 90% of my work (years ago) was a visual check.... long before I broke out the gauges.
I installed one on a Goodman condenser outdoor unit .Yes you can just braze it in or use one of these fitting.
I install 2 on every system I do. One @ the condenser and one at the air handler. Not just a sight glass but combo glass/moisture indicator. Also guage ports. Yes you can ensure a full column of liquid to the expansion device by checking and adjusting subcool, and I do it anyway, but there is something satisfying to seeing it in action.
As many times we all forget to install suction line insulation.
As did he.
Should go over fan wires and fan speed. I've ran into several units that had fan speed wrong. Cool should be high, black. Heat should be medium high. Some units have different colors for fan speed!
I'm sorry, but what you have done is to create a possible 4 additional leak points. If properly brazed or soldered, there is no chance of any leaks. When you drive off from the job, you don't have to worry about it.
I’m sorry but any true HVAC expert knows a perfectly sealed system doesn’t exist, so don’t try to sound like one.
I’ll trust a pro fit over a solder any day of the week
@@taylorhackney9275 I know you're sorry because a perfectly sealed system does exist if it's performed by a skilled tradesman, so don't try to sound like a HVAC expert because it's obvious you can't braze or solder.
Ah roosters, viewers love them on my channel 😂
Yeah Sporlans are basically the same, used them but preparation and clean straight lineset is key 👌🏽
Not on MY systems. They were first used on automobiles but even those joints eventually leak (the reason I learned auto HVAC in the first place). Instead of being desperate to avoid soldering wise DIYers PRACTICE ON SCRAP not the workpiece. I am a DIYer of several decades and learned long ago soldering isn't difficult, what's difficult is getting people to practice first but I don't personally choose to have that problem. Soldering is easy, fun and very useful for more than plumbing. Every DIYer should have a decent torch.
I'll use Sharkbites on EXPOSED, ACCESSIBLE plumbing like a copper line to my old claw foot tub I needed to assemble then rotate into place behind the tub but I have plenty of shutoffs to isolate any area for future maintenance and repair (I design my home plumbing for "battle damage control" since nothing lasts forever).
As always -great Tutorial and excellent work. I have a question . Will Those shark bites work on the new A2L Refrigerant PSI?
Yes they certainly will
I would love to see a video on static testing a new installation.
Look up "Pro Fit Quick Connect" video from Tropic Supply channel. He does a pressure test at 700PSI! RectorSeal has their own demonstration to 400 PSI... the fittings are rated to 870PSI which is more pressure than any new condenser unit operates at normally. From my research R410A's highest pressure of 645 PSI happens at 155F which is well below most test demonstrations and well below the max rated pressure of the fittings.
Seems like a great DIY option for sure! I have a 21-year-old system and using these fittings means I don't have to purchase too many special tools and would make for an easier swap of my 21-year-old Bryant unit when that time comes! The only thing I would need to get is a vacuum pump but for around 250 bucks total to get a stark pump, stark gauge set, deburring tool, pipe cutter, fittings and line set. I was quoted 12,700 to install a 2-ton Goodman system that I can order online for 2500-3000 grand! 200-300 for tools to install myself is a massive savings.
@@ShaneTheGeek What does your answer have to do with a static test? Absolutely nothing.
@@ShaneTheGeek you need to get another quote then. You can have it done professionally for much less than that. Much less.
@@nateg08 Thanks Nate yeah that was my thought as well. That quote was way-way above the average based on my research. There is another local company that I will be getting quote from that appears to have reasonable rates and does quality work.
@Shane Gray plus if you know anyone that does side work you can get it done even cheaper. I do residential side work (I do comercial hvac). I put in a 2 ton system a while back for 4k and I'm confident enough in my install practices to warranty any labor for a year. Ive got no overhead so I can underbid any company and still turn a decent profit. I'd ask around. You do want someone with a good reputation tho that's for sure. There is a lot of people who will do a hack job and disappear on you unfortunately.
Man, kinda wish I'd watched this before I ordered $100 worth of stay brite! Not that I mind soldering.
16:03 scepticle of how long before a leak begins, especially outdoors with more heat cycles
We used the profit fittings for about 6 months lost quite a bit of money returning to replace them mainly on ductless systems.
Can I ask where the leaks were primarily or was it just sporadic? Thanks for the feedback.
Primary on the 1/4 and 3/8 inch fittings, they hold pressure on the initial pressure test but seem to blow out during the heating season.
WOW 😲😳. Shark bite for AC System...❓❓. Will it withstand the pressure ❓❓
NICE VIDEO! What is the part number for the female flare x braze tubing extension to adapt to the push on fitting?
Did you also use them on the condensor? Would these need to be approved in the Building Codes?
Was wondering if you insulated any of the duct work after your install.. I would think that would need to happen to get any efficiency and to keep your duct work from sweating.
Thank you, I hav enjoyed and learned from your videos! I was wondering if argon /CO2 gas instead of nitrogen can be used to pressure test the line set.
i use it in shocks instead of nitrogen
no CO2 Has a lot of moisture with it.
i am not sure about argon.
stay with what the manufacture say, is the best bet.
Awesome video but I thought you were going to one push fittings on the condeser as well
Nice video. Tell the homeowner to change the dang battery in their smoke detector
Lol he was flipping this home and it was kind of gutted at the time
@@diyhvacguy ahhh. the chirp must have drove you nuts.
I have used these for reclamation on older R22 condenser units that can be pumped down and lines cut and king valve shut. I will attach a smaller pipe with a Schraeder valve to the opposite side and I’m in business. They handle a vacuum to remove refrigerant and nice to be reused over and over again. I have seen some cut off the bell on the condenser unit line and install these. But plastic outdoors which is inside these connectors… I have my doubts with holding up to seasonal conditions of extreme temperatures. And indoors?? Well…. It’s nice to not use a torch which is safe but these have a 5yr warranty and I’m sure the plastic will break down even indoors. Brazen is still the way to go. I’m assuming you brazed the outdoor connections??
Soldered. But if the manufacturers would make the stub longer for the condensers I’d have done a crimp fitting outside
much easy compared to Houston TX techs, who have to work on small spaces and hot on attic!
Great job with good know how. Did you foam the line set hole thru house.
Yes
Nice! No trap on the condensate drain?
Thank you papa!!
Can you share where to buy the bending tool!
Or what brand is it please 🙏
Thank you!
This guy will do anything to not fire up a torch wholy cow
😅❤😂.....as long it holds in a hole
I don’t think these have been on the market that long for HVAC. It would be interesting to see a longer track record. Have you tried testing to 500 lbs with nitrogen? The molecule is smaller. I’ve had some automotive AC’s that would leak under a nitrogen test put be fine with refrigerant.
I’ll do a video soon pressure testing it! Stay tuned! Hvacknowitall did a pressure test at 500psi and it held for over a week. Check out his video on them. Cheers
They have been out for several years actually.
@@mattmitchel8931 I have heard of some failures on the water side. A few years is not long enough track record for me.
@@rodgraff1782 He said several years, not a few years. I have used them on a no flame job site, the first time I used it was 2 years ago, no issues and no leaks. Mind you, it is outside in the elements with vibration, I've had some guys brazing fail sooner than that under those conditions
@@cesarmoore7996 That’s great that those fittings are working out for you. If you have seen brazes that fail, don’t blame the process, blame the brazer
Did you use the quick fittings on the other end where it connects to the condenser or did you braze? Also i didn't see a link for the 3/8 adapter extension you used on the evaporator side.
Master
Those fittings would be great inside a hospital or airport where you have to get special permission to fire up a torch.
nice video @18:17 you said u will add part number but i didnt see it also i see u didnt use TXV is it optional?
Hello, I love your videos. I have learned a lot. How is zoomlock connection you made holding up? Did you experience any issues? I plan to use quick connect - pro-fit for my install. I plan to install MrCool Universal heatpump 4-ton unit. I cannot use their quick connects because I plan to reuse my existing copper lines.
On a new Goodman aren't the connections too close together on the condenser to use the push on connector, also if you cut off the factory connectors will the tubing be long enough? Looks like only 3/4" will be left.
What a nice clean install. I wish the person I used did that good a job.
Would you suggest using the Pro-Fit connector on the air condenser in order to reattach the refrigeration lines? My house is older and the previous owner installed the new unit , a Goodman, on top of my septic tank. The septic system is failing and I’m positive that I will have to disconnect it. The fact that they would be exposed to outdoors is the reason for my question.
Just curious. What about using compression fittings. I know some of those are rated pretty high for psi.
Can you show how you did it on the outside unit with the push on fitting. Is there enough room to cut the pipe