SharkBite technology has touched the HVAC market as well :-) One thing I have yet to see in a home is the homeowner being notified or alerted by the system if the refrigerant is low. This way, the HVAC service could be reached out to appropriately... Nowadays the HVAC service scheduling drama on the front desk is out of control and all home owners who have had HVAC issues could attest to it. The positive side of all this is, it is making a homeowner with minimum DIY tech how-to knowledge to become an HVAC tech, similarly how some of the homeowners are already great auto techs, electricians and plumbers. Not bashing anyone here, just exposing the reality. I truly appreciate all the hard work you do and also the new techs that study hard to get certified in trade schools.
Think I'll try these on my next install! I for one am not bothered by PTC and/or o-ring'd joints. Heck they're all over your vehicles/hydraulic equipment. So much mission-critical infrastructure is using PTC/o-ring joints and you have no idea! 5 year warranty on the o-rings doesn't inspire confidence though. Wouldn't HNBR have performed a bit better than CR o-rings?
Thanks for the reply. I'll go with the Zoom Lock 410a optimized which have a 10 year warranty. Do you have any that are 410a optimized, warrantied for 10 years?
I used these fittings for the first time yesterday on a new installation of a mini-split. Obviously I vacuumed the lines, and in fact left them under vacuum ovenight. No change. I then commissioned the system and all looks good. These fittings are ideal for hard to get to places or where brazing may be a hazard. Or where a press tool may not be able to be used due to lack of space. So far so good. They are expensive (in Australia) but they sure have a role in many situations.
Doria here are the Torque settings. • 1/4": 426.7 to 568.9psi • 3/8": 426.7 to 568.9psi • 1/2": 568.9 to 711.2psi • 5/8": 711.2 to 853.4psi • Service valve stem release torque: The pipe should not fall out below 2,275. 7psi
@@nukestrom5719 obviously you haven't what I said. It's stronger then 15% brazing rods. When I use that on a chiller holding 800 pounds of refrigerant and never had any leaks.
These wouldn’t be helpful on new installs unless you change out every service valve with one of the quick fits. Maybe to pull and clean an evaporator, you wouldn’t have to braze if you use the union quick fitting. Possibly to relocate a condenser.
You guys are cheaping out on your warranty. You want me to buy and install these over priced fittings? Then the warranty MUST be at least 10 years, same as an equipment manufacturer.
These are nothing but trash. I manage a large apartment building with 300 units, where these fittings were used, we had hundreds of service calls due to these fittings leaking, since day one when we open the building, we only been open for 8 months. Our hvac sub will not use them at any other projects in the future.
These are Perfect! The new refrigerats all have Isobutane in them...So, we are all going to this anyway. and anybody using Sta-Brite #8 with R-410a, souldn't ne doing HVAC ANYWAY...
I suggest you call the manufacture before you make a stupid comment like that, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It has a stronger PSI rating then 15% brazing rod. However you would not know that would you?
@@wd8557 Passed with my manufacturer's warranty. It's great stuff. Only issue I've had is one installer used to much on the liquid line and caused a restriction, but that's not the products fault. Don't even have to N2 purge. Clean Clean Clean
This method is a terrible choice that will result in numerous call backs, increased overhead costs, negative ratings from unhappy customers, and a loss in profit due to leaking. The high pressure and temperature changes on the fittings will always require brazing. I'm surprised the EPA, with their complaining about the ozone being damaged by refrigerants, haven't outlawed this seriously flawed method.
so they come to the rescue for the techs out there that don't know how to do their job correctly. I have been in the HVAC industry for 40+ years and never had a brazed joint leak in my life. What happens when a system running on 410 has a fan motor go out and head pressure goes to 600+ pounds? run your test with high temperature and high pressure as in a discharge line.
Anything that has an O-ring is destined for failure. The copper has to be perfectly round. Copper can be smashed flat and opened back up with a screwdriver and beat back semi round with a rock, then be brazed leak free for eternity. Who in the hell is gonna spend crazy $ for one joint when you can braze a lifetime joint for pennies. Making a simple process into brain surgery.
You're mostly on the money here up until the price point. I'm not sure if you've looked at your invoices when you've bought fittings, 15% brazing rods or acetylene in the past few years but the accumulation of these three is getting up there.
I can't imagine such good equipment as we are too corrupted. Thanks from Bangladesh.
Did my first mini-split installation using these fittings yesterday. All good so far. I like them, although they are quite expensive in Australia.
Happy to hear, Dave! Thanks for being a RectorSeal fan.
Outstanding Fittings! A Must Have According to Leading Installers. @@RectorSealCorp
SharkBite technology has touched the HVAC market as well :-) One thing I have yet to see in a home is the homeowner being notified or alerted by the system if the refrigerant is low. This way, the HVAC service could be reached out to appropriately... Nowadays the HVAC service scheduling drama on the front desk is out of control and all home owners who have had HVAC issues could attest to it. The positive side of all this is, it is making a homeowner with minimum DIY tech how-to knowledge to become an HVAC tech, similarly how some of the homeowners are already great auto techs, electricians and plumbers.
Not bashing anyone here, just exposing the reality. I truly appreciate all the hard work you do and also the new techs that study hard to get certified in trade schools.
I love these rubber O-ring connection... there will be so many ACs to fix in the future. Easy money for the AC guys.
We had 100% failure rate on these 3/4 size and used outdoors only
Think I'll try these on my next install! I for one am not bothered by PTC and/or o-ring'd joints. Heck they're all over your vehicles/hydraulic equipment. So much mission-critical infrastructure is using PTC/o-ring joints and you have no idea!
5 year warranty on the o-rings doesn't inspire confidence though. Wouldn't HNBR have performed a bit better than CR o-rings?
What if it fails, do i get a replacement of the fitting or $$$ back
good video
Thanks for the video. What's the life expectancy of the fitting? Before the o-rings fail I mean.
Great question, Gene! Our O-rings are covered with a 5 yr warranty. They should not deteriorate especially with the dual o-ring design.
Thanks for the reply. I'll go with the Zoom Lock 410a optimized which have a 10 year warranty. Do you have any that are 410a optimized, warrantied for 10 years?
These work just as well under high vacuum levels?
did I miss the vacuum test? My question how reliable is this system when evacuating air from refrigerant lines?
I used these fittings for the first time yesterday on a new installation of a mini-split. Obviously I vacuumed the lines, and in fact left them under vacuum ovenight. No change. I then commissioned the system and all looks good. These fittings are ideal for hard to get to places or where brazing may be a hazard. Or where a press tool may not be able to be used due to lack of space. So far so good. They are expensive (in Australia) but they sure have a role in many situations.
can these be used for water
The vibration test past at 50 psi. I guess I'm impressed. HVAC system pressure is only 6 or more times that!
Your an Empty glass...Mr. Complainer/ Whinner!
is there any way to buy them in The Netherlands?
Jeroen please contact our customer service team to assit you. rectorseal.com/customer-support
What is the pressure drop across the 90s? Especially on a vapor line, they look like the don't have any sweep to them.
On the socket type fitting. When torquing them to mini splits. Do we go by the torque from the manufacture ? Or is there set torque for the fittings ?
Doria here are the Torque settings.
• 1/4": 426.7 to 568.9psi
• 3/8": 426.7 to 568.9psi
• 1/2": 568.9 to 711.2psi
• 5/8": 711.2 to 853.4psi
• Service valve stem release torque: The pipe should not fall out below 2,275. 7psi
can the be used to connect copper propane lines?
40 bucks for one 7/8 fitting. I'll stick to Stay Brite 8 on new installs.
Me too. Nothing cuts into your profit margins faster than overpriced hardware.
Stay Brite 8 for refrigerant lines?
@@nukestrom5719 obviously you haven't what I said. It's stronger then 15% brazing rods. When I use that on a chiller holding 800 pounds of refrigerant and never had any leaks.
@@wd8557 I'm a braze guy but use SB 8 for some things, It's fine. Gets bad rap from hacks not prepping and fitting up right.
People have used this to solve leaks with mini splits on the gas side thanks to heat mode. I would use it for that.
Be nice if they made some of these fittings with a check valve
humm good idea. We will pass it on to our team.
Does it work in freezers? And iron tubes?
Unfortunately no, copper and coated aluminum linesets only.
Who does it work on industrial units
Can the service valve use to change a leaking service valve like on a mini split
For hospital units
how you connect to condenser and evaporator? or else you are mid way
Quick question........Why did you sweat the service port into the test rig?......lol
2 different size copper tubes. I guess they dont make reducers.
Good point, they do make reducing 90's and couplings.
What is the brand and model of the rounding tool at 9:38?
That appears to be the Yellow Jacket 60407 expander tool
These wouldn’t be helpful on new installs unless you change out every service valve with one of the quick fits. Maybe to pull and clean an evaporator, you wouldn’t have to braze if you use the union quick fitting. Possibly to relocate a condenser.
Will this work for regular full size residential HVAC systems?
It works for systems with refrigerant lines up to 7/8"!
@@RectorSealCorp Do you have 3/4 to 7/8 reducer fitting? My port is 3/4 and line is 7/8.
You guys are cheaping out on your warranty. You want me to buy and install these over priced fittings? Then the warranty MUST be at least 10 years, same as an equipment manufacturer.
How the long is the warranty? I can't find it
@@genepierson1728 same as solder.
Fire will not be more popular in the future than it is today.
These are nothing but trash. I manage a large apartment building with 300 units, where these fittings were used, we had hundreds of service calls due to these fittings leaking, since day one when we open the building, we only been open for 8 months. Our hvac sub will not use them at any other projects in the future.
Just had to remove 3 of these leaking pos fittings today, absolute garbage.
These are Perfect! The new refrigerats all have Isobutane in them...So, we are all going to this anyway. and anybody using Sta-Brite #8 with R-410a, souldn't ne doing HVAC ANYWAY...
I suggest you call the manufacture before you make a stupid comment like that, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It has a stronger PSI rating then 15% brazing rod. However you would not know that would you?
He haven't got the slightest idea, thinking its plumbing solder LOL!
@@wd8557 Passed with my manufacturer's warranty. It's great stuff. Only issue I've had is one installer used to much on the liquid line and caused a restriction, but that's not the products fault. Don't even have to N2 purge. Clean Clean Clean
@@johnlott7240 liquid line should be done in 5 seconds lol. He will get it down.
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This method is a terrible choice that will result in numerous call backs, increased overhead costs, negative ratings from unhappy customers, and a loss in profit due to leaking. The high pressure and temperature changes on the fittings will always require brazing. I'm surprised the EPA, with their complaining about the ozone being damaged by refrigerants, haven't outlawed this seriously flawed method.
Sad to see this.
Well, I'd say these are good for mini splits in certain situations since you are not supposed to braze on mini split linesets.
@@nestes86 sweep nitrogen and it'll stay as clean as the moment it came off your truck. And a bonus it won't leak in the years to come.
lol
@@jonnymac31 and for the outdoor unit end? Lol.
No Flame applications will only be more common in the future. The only thing constant is change my friend.
so they come to the rescue for the techs out there that don't know how to do their job correctly. I have been in the HVAC industry for 40+ years and never had a brazed joint leak in my life. What happens when a system running on 410 has a fan motor go out and head pressure goes to 600+ pounds? run your test with high temperature and high pressure as in a discharge line.
Anything that has an O-ring is destined for failure. The copper has to be perfectly round. Copper can be smashed flat and opened back up with a screwdriver and beat back semi round with a rock, then be brazed leak free for eternity. Who in the hell is gonna spend crazy $ for one joint when you can braze a lifetime joint for pennies. Making a simple process into brain surgery.
Hacks
Mini splits
You're mostly on the money here up until the price point. I'm not sure if you've looked at your invoices when you've bought fittings, 15% brazing rods or acetylene in the past few years but the accumulation of these three is getting up there.