Can Quest Druid Compete in the Value Game? | Saviors of Uldum | Hearthstone
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Shaman might be the value king right now but Druid isn't far behind, right?
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Glad Blizzard fixed Dr Boom's infinite value by
*checks note*
Making other classes having even more value
Yotam Shitrit i mean I think that’s a very good solution. Making more classes have viable control and midrange decks does make the meta a lot more varied
Especially because they get value buy building their deck around a quest. Dr boom you just jam in any warrior deck
Infinite value is poor game design since it makes all limited value options worthless. Meaning rather than a healthy spectrum from full aggro on one end to full control (like a bell curve) you have 1-4ultra high control decks and 1-4 very agressive decks. Or worse still you have no aggro decks because the value is so cheap to add that it costs almost no tempo. In order to have a healthy range of decks value MUST be finite.
@@shards7992 Also, you lose the value management game.
Because you have no end to value generation, you dont need to think how to spend your finite resources, you just mindlessly generate X and consume X constantly.
In my limited maybe 12 games against Quest Druid as Control Warrior I've never even come close to losing - the druid just doesnt generate enough value. Trumps game 1 here not changing that since the opponent was running Bomb warrior and the bomb package takes warrior from top of tier1 to mid-tier3. That guy probably thought he'd see singleton decks all day.
Rogue:I want an aoe spell
Blizzard:you already have an aoe spell at home
Aoe spell at home:blade flurry
With the quest blade flurry is actually decent
@@Mustard0981 ohhhh, I hadn't even thought of that, I'll definitly try that in my quest rogue (muggin' bitches). Thx ^^
@@Mustard0981 Are u saying this is the Fabled card that blade flurry died for ?:O
Fan of Knives: "Am I a joke to you?"
@@DfRaid 1 damage aoe lel
When you're playing any other class and you queue up against a shaman
*_Now this is an Avengers level threat_*
but how about murloc paladin
Allwn0 that movie was terrible and so are you
@@feritperliare2890 No u
Sees 'druid' and 'value' in the title.
*_Ah shit here we go again_*
Here before someone makes a "Shaman's weakness is card generation" joke.
Weebvile ** what
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN shaman had problems with card generation. Now shaman still has card generation problem. Because you can't successfully generate 2 cards if you already have 10 cards in hand.
I mean it is a weakness if you take just the Classic set into account. Most of the tools they got this expansion don't generate cards, they use quest to double up on neutral battlecries. So their cards don't generate a lot of cards, but abusing battlecries does.
A Rock Formation *stares in coin evil totem on turn one*
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Recently Blizzard made a big deal about cementing class identity and how important it is to the game. As part of that, they stated that Shaman's weaknesses were card draw and card generation. Then they turn around and give Shaman the most card generation Hearthstone has ever seen. Both Hagathas, the Quest, Lackeys, Menacing Nimbus, etc. It's become a meme to say that Shaman has "an issue with card generation" because their hand is too full of generated cards already.
I've never seen him having so much fun, he looks so happy
he's so passive aggressive
Yes every expansion Trump is happy like a kid having his first Fortnite game.
Edger Stomm That’s part of his charm, he’s snarky.
“Now I’m the Druid so I think Druid is favored” lol
23:00 and here we see, the last gasp of this piano channel
I just wanted him to get it right and stopped caring about the game
Jens, please make something out of the "oooh"!
And I oooh
I’ve been keeping one Druid of the Claw in this package for the burst, it adds up with buffs to seal out games. I also don’t have Keeper and don’t want to craft it so...the spot was open.
Seal out? Wut
Blitzapfel finish games
Add in vargoth. If you can stick him on turn 5 (which is easy if you run two Doomsayers to control the board early), you can play nourish after completing the quest on turn 6, drawing 6 cards, gaining 4 mana, and ramping to 10. Alternately, you can play him with your healing spell to gain two 6/6s or your swipe to AoE.
^ you are assuming I'm not F2P and didn't dust vargoths crusty ass asap
@@NewWesternFront that's sad and hilarious ...lol
Blizzard: How much value druid should have?
Also Blizzard: Yes
Not sure you understand how that meme works. I'm gonna go ahead and take it from you if you can't learn to use it properly.
The solution to guaranteeing yourself a value game win with this deck is to add a three card package:
Zephrys, Elise and Elysiana.
The goal is to use these once your deck has been nearly burnt out to give yourself TWO zephryss, TWO floops and TWO elysianas for deck refills. I even chugged in a body wrapper for giggles to produce extra elises and the value is INSANE. Noone expects you to drop a Zephrys when your deck contained like 9 duplicates and the Elise -> Zephrys -> Frost Nova -> Zephrys -> Twisting Nether Combo is always satisfying as all heck to pull off.
Someone did the Elise zephrys combo against me today. Tbf I think they'd have won regardless cus I couldnt keep up with the tempo anynore
Or just cut zephrys and elysiana for Nomi. Has worked really well for me at 4+ rank. But losing to a warrior who managed to clear 4 chef Nomi boards tilted me pretty hard.
*Sniff* I Smell Gross Amount of Value
Just otk them with pounce, floop's gloop, floop himself, elise and bees.
@@tamerlane2951 tilting players with ass pull levels of removal.... you know...just control warrior things
Went 12-2 in the Tavern Brawl this week using this deck. Both losses were murloc paladin with strong early game
20:53 T H E S A R C A S M A N
"will the world bow down to quest shaman"
Me, who has been beaten by quest druid 4 times in a row (as quest shaman): No, I don't think I will
I play only quest shaman and it's same for me, quest druid is the only class that constantly beats me, it's too many waves of too big minions to efficiently clear
@@MrSabotax Ithink it will be shaman vs aggro then druid vs shaman and aggro vs druid. Unless no top tier aggro decks comes, since then it's back to druid stone.
Wait,
How did they defeat you? By throwing tokens (whispering woods etc) and infinite buffs?
Asking for a friend
@@NoPickles312 quest druid doing druid things on curve has more tempo than quest shaman
@@MrSabotax yeah, but shaman has more comeback mechanic, more board clears, and hagatha alone can win the game easly, combine her with shudderwock, blooddyy helll,
You should bring f2p back and try to hit legend
Sadly, but you cannot do this now
Василий Драгунов no u can with murloc pally
Hearthstone circeljerk approves
I agree, really enjoyed that f2p run
@@ВасилийДрагунов-н8т you can hit legend with no legendaries murloc shaman easily
11:42 You make it sound like Yugio.
"rogues doesnt have mass aoe"
except when they steal from their friends from the other side XD.
24:56 what you came for.
9:01 How can he has -5k Gold on his blizzard account?
Hauptschul Englisch aside, if you buy packs with real money and refund the purchase blizzard will end up giving you the money back but since they can't fix the packs they opened they instead just charge you ingame gold for each packs. TLDR: He opened packs until he had 0 gold, bought 50 packs with real money, then took the money back. Hence -5k.
BEES!!! is actually insanely OP. Imagine you have a high attack lifesteal minion. Hit the enemy first for say 6 damage, gain 6 health. Then hit it with bees and just gain 24 more health. Now you're up 30 health for 4 mana.
"oooh"- Merchant, Crystal, 2019
get pounce, elise, floop and the other floop and bees. go infinite pounce just for endgame purposes. allows u to add lots of card draw too. no need to be singleton since u draw out your deck in no time
Trump-"Feast your eyes on 5 mana, 10/10" Hunters during Kobolds and Catacombs-"laughs in 5 mana 12/12"
here to make the "Shaman's weakness is card generation" joke.
Misplay at 6:58 because with Loti thered be nearly no way to kill a stealthed minion
9:01 why do you have negative gold?
Value?
Debt from his cocaine addiction
He pre ordered the 80 pack bundle. But he didn't know Blizzard gifted him a 80 pack bundle as well. So he wanted a refund for his own pre order. It took some time before his money was refunded by Blizzard and in that time he opened his bundles at a fireside gathering. So Blizzard took 8000 gold, obviously he didn't had 8000 gold and that's why he's in debt with Blizzard.
@@Erasmus1980 So basically Trump got a refund on a product he then proceeded to cash out anyway. Oh dear, those Streamer problems eh, being able to get gifted the 80 bundle for free by Blizzard, getting a refund for his purchase then all Blizzard did was take 8000 gold out of his account. Which he didn't even have.
Wish i was allowed to pay for an 80 card bundle with gold i don't have on my account too.
He used one of those free gold hacks that require human verification
If only Trump's piano skills could be used on the Toes
Run Mulchmuncher in this deck with splintergraft. Summoning 3 8/8 for 8-10 mana with 2 of them having rush. VALUE! I found doing this allowed me to also play some minions during my first 4-5 turns of the quest so I don't fall too far behind. This is done by adding 2 copies of landscaping into this deck. Thank me later :) Cards to add: 2 landscaping, splintergraft, 1 or 2 mulchmuncher. Find 4 cards you can live without and it makes quest druid 1000000x better.
Solid shame concede at 21:14
Trump saying "ooOOoh" alongside the merchants is making me weak
Nothing beats Khadgar's "MARVELOUS!".
Hm. Seems like a good deck to try the quest that I opened in the 2nd pack I got. Feels good man.
I got Octosari, Amet and the hunter quest...feelsbadman
@@zeelas02 My free quest was hunter. I feel your pain.
How about colossus of the moon and hunter bran
Lord Vecna this deck is very good. The only time you lose really is against agro decks who get lucky card draw
I got a golden copy in my 10th pack I had pretty much my best pack opening ever had 70 packs got 6 legendaries
Players: Complain about Control Warrior being too unfair and generating too much cards
Blizzard: Let's add even less fair quests which generate even more value!
@@MrAdannor I thought it was "Heroes of Warcraft", not "Heroes of Warhammer40000"
So glad I got that quest golden! It looks great with my golden Druid
I'm gonna leave a comment everytime I hear that beautiful Bughici. Currently on #2. Keep it up big man 😈😈😈
I'm dying I've never seen Trump shittalking ppl so bad it's savage
Trump sure knows his way around a set of toes.
Nobody:
Trump: Am I a raid boss?
Stfu
Little does he know that murloc paladin is the real villain here. It is coming to rule us all
In my opinion druids hero power should cost 2 and trigger only in exact turn like with shamans battecries, i never won with quest shaman against druid yet..
MOMMY! Please help, my quest shaman actually loses against deck pls NERF NERF NERF!
Face Artist ive got destroyed
@@Julian-sz1vh I havent seen a quest druid lose though
JayJayK2000 I loose against Murloc decks turn 5 but other than that this deck is unstoppable
@@JayJayK-zy6ct I've seen several. Payout isn't that great if you realize it's just token Druid that starts on turn 6.
9:01 look at his gold its in the negative wtf
Small indie dev Blizzard
So... when is the first quest warrior video coming out?
I think worthy expedition is a bit like bait in the early game. Yeah, it's a 1 drop that you can weave in while trying to float mana, but, you are far more likely to take a less impactful card if you play it in the early turns.
Mr.Ropey strikes again
14:56 I would love to see something like this)
Not worth having Keeper Stallandris in as it won't stack with the quest ( It did in this video - dated 7th Aug - but it wasn't working earlier today - 17 Aug - so maybe this got nerfed?). I mean, sure you _could_ drop it first, and get some extra cards, but you'd just be limiting yourself with what you have left - and really you want the quest by turn 3 (yes, it's worth using the coin just to proc it) or 4.
Wow quest druid is broken AF. Have to literally do nothing do get the quest and then it basically is adventure league end boss power.
Piano Trump is back!
you can play the new 10 mana legendary 5/5 that summons a minion for each spell in your hand, and if you have floop in hand you can play it twice, its pretty good
It's unnecessary in this deck and only made your match up against aggro even worst
Mahdi Ishaque but it’s funny
If I had the dust for one legendary besides the quest, do I craft loti, cenarius, or stalladris?
Exactly the question im asking myself Bro maybe loti
Wait a week or two and see which cards are still good. If you absolutely must craft something this instant, don't craft something for this decklist - craft Siamat instead, he fits into a wide variety of decks.
Yea wait a little while, but Cenarius is the best of the 3 for most games. Loti can be replaced by druid of the scythe and stalladris is on the greedier side of the deck
@@josephward4918 craft only siamat and zephrys those are guaranteed play in any scenario
Joseph Ward Luckily I already opened siamat 👌
I don't know if I'd actually call this a value deck. It's just a midrange deck with a crazy power spike. But if I can survive until turn... like, 18, this deck kind of just stops, right? As opposed to battlecry shamans and deathrattle rogues, which basically can't find an end to their card gen / similar shenanigans.
Druid quest everywhere
Take a shot every time Trump says "value"
ive been playing against quest druids all day and the real issue is that they seem to think that they need to get the quest out and do dumb shit like just using shapeshift and end up losing as i have a full deck as they lack decent removal try to save for 'big value' quest druid is okay but it needs to have a lot bigger of an early game and probably drop quest around turn 4 3 if it can be managed and keep plenty of removal and hope the oasis and other big cards will see a win.
I played a variant of this deck last night and hit rank 15! Yeah i suck, but i’m sucking a bit less now
Quest druid feels a lot stronger than shaman honestly. The quest is finished sooner most of the time, the reward is the only one being a passive instead of costing 2 mana to activate which is really op and the effect is really strong. Oasis surger by itself is already overwhelming but adding all the other excellent choose one cards makes it impossible to survive. Also I feel quest shaman is a lot more predictable and has less versatility overall and lacks strong heal and taunt option compared to druid
9:01 new mechanic to go in debt with ur gold or what?
it is so satisfying see a control warrior loosing that hard... now the meta with unfun games is gone (i wish)
(for a week or two)
@@meltdown4126 to be fair that first game that was a really shitty control warrior deck running way suboptimal cards like Execute and the Bomb package so it was likely to lose anyway even if new quests didnt give big value.
Btw when quest shaman used the Bl that was lethal... 5x4dmg+5 and u were on 24 hp
When i saw -5790 gold at 09:00 I now consider myself rich with my 210 gold
Show I constantly read the quest as your next battle cry this turn is doubled so never got why it was considered good. Now I see why
9:01 why u have -5790 Gold?
Trump when you gonna do a piano performance again? 😁
I don't think Oasis surger should have rush, then again most quest stuff in this expansion seems OP so we're basically back to deathknights era where if you're not playing quests you're dead. when your ruining a dr.boom pulled on 7 you know somethings wrong.
do you really need 2 nourish? i feel like you could play splinterbark to copy oasis surger or defender. both are excellent targets.
nourish is 4 mana draw 3 post quest, not even counting the mana ramp if you play it before turn 10. That card draw isn't tempo of course but it basically adds fuel for another turn by itself and is better for steamrolling people which is what this deck tends to do.
if u really want a value druid i think its best to make it singleton and spam zephyrs with elize and floop
Why the bees in this deck though? There is no synergy with it, so it's just a shadow bolt. Is shadow bolt really good enough in 2019?
It is very good at dealing with early pressure. Both board presence and removal
got druid/warlock/rogue quest and 7k dust, I would like to invest in a deck for this expansion (rogue deck is already finished so I don't need to craft anything and I would like to use it as my 'alt') which quest you feel its a good investment while I grind my gold for next expansion?
DRUIDSTONE: REVENGEANCE
whem you put a video that focuses on only one deck have u tought of putting the deck code below in the videon information? just a small tidbit for those that dont have schedule to whatch u stream live.
Fábio Garcia it is usually there on trumps videos. it’s there now as well (at least I assume that it is the right one)
toes: change it to the apropriate sound by using the rubies and then 446 1226 2466 10 10 8
That way he describes collider.
am i a raid boss? lmfao
"It is the constant question of how much do I put out?" - Trump 2019
Singleton quest Druid.. the best
11:00 Trump in bed.
The Druid quest reward, at 10 mana, is basically:
spend 2 mana, gain 8 mana, draw a card each time you play a battlecry minion.
isnt the perfect curve with this deck Turn 1: Worthy expeditions Turn 2: Quest Turn 3: Crystal Merchant Turn 4: ...something for 3 mana Turn 5: Garden gnome then quest is complete and you`ve possibly still got the coin for later plays?
Demonkey Playing expedition turn 1 gives you a card. Playing it turn 9 might give you the perfect play to a board. And empty coin turn one seems random, but completing the quest on turn 4 is quite strong if you have the broken 5 drop to recover half the tempo you lost. Turn 4 best play is probably bees. Still, time will tell.
The shaman missed lethal on you.
I ran the quest in highlander Druid, and didn’t drop a game for 8 ranks
Dr Boom n'est plus aussi imbattable, c'est sympa. ^^
(Ou la personne d'en face n'a pas eu de chance)
Trump is tipically the player who thinks until rope on turn one to play a 1 drop
"I think the answer is depends"
Feels like these 2 decks make way too much value way too quickly. Wouldnt surprised of Quest Druid got put to 5 and maybe Quest Shaman to 7 or 8.
Its weird though because if Quest Shaman ever found itself in a meta without Lackey generators its gonna be awful. I feel its broken as is because you play 1 mana cards that help you towards your quest quickly in the early game and then generate insane value later at 1 mana a lackey. If shaman had to rely on stuff like Novice Engineer itd be wayyyy more niche and probably more balanced. I feel if its going to exist in a Lackey meta you NEED to up the Quest number or hit cards like EVIL Totem that make the early game way too easy for Shaman.
the garden gnome package is so bad in this deck lmfao.
I'm not convinced it's so bad; it can be your absolute best play on turn 4 if you highroll, and without that it's still three bodies to buff in the late game. It definitely needs more testing though, it might end up being too inconsistent.
How come at the right from of 9:01 you have negative 5,790 gold? Is that a bug?
this deck needs 1 savage roar
God damn Trump. Dont rope all the time 😂😂
What is the outro song? I need it in my life.
Saviors of Uldum trailer.
23:53 “wait really?!?”
on 9:00 you can see that trump has a negative gold value in the menu (red number). can someone explain that to me?
I got the hunter quest and the 10 mana reborn card as my legendaries, feels bad man.
I've found the quest priest.....feels bad man
I got Pally quest and opened Warlock quest.
Penguin DP i got warlock quest and then opened golden warlock quest lol
@@shmillsyshmillsy6624 You can still open duplicate legendaries?
@@penguindp4379 yeah I did
even I put baleful banker in my quest druid just to got more value. Any card is fiiine..
3:50 ? Why swipe? Why u didn't play that gardener? :D
He didn't want to overextend against control warrior, which has a lot of AoE removal in the form of brawl and warpath. This is proven to be correct the next turn, in which the warrior removes the entirety of Trump's board. If he had played the gardener, he would have essentially burned a card and 4 mana.
He played swipe because he didn't need the AoE against a control deck, making the single target damage of the card more important. Additionally, he did not want to waste any mana in a value matchup.
can you make a simpleton version? ive tried it and its not that bad got to 15 but priest demolishes the deck
when you take your whole turn on turn 1.....just play a fucking card ...
With the otk malygos u got a difference on quest shaman with still room 4 value, i think thats the point on quest druid u take it over shaman
Got from rank 15- rank 5 yesterday playing quest Druid. Your build isn’t very good but with mine I beat quest shaman like 80% of games. I do lose around 45% of my games against warrior. I win like. I win 70% of rogue games. I lose 70% hunters and 45% warlock. I win like 80% of mage games and 85% priest games. Haven’t faced enough paladins to say anything bout them.
What do you run instead of garden gnome and the likes? Trying to build a good quest Druid and just need some pointer
GaminFlash I run garden gnome it’s 2 good not 2 run
Control Warrior/Dr Boom make me fucken nauseous