I'm glad that Andie didn't end up with Duckie, since he acted SO entitled and obnoxious about her interest in Blaine, and wouldn't take no for an answer when she didn't show any romantic interest in him.
Yeah, I agree. Not only did he act like an entitled, spoiled brat-- it also is a trope, damn near the point of cliche, in these kind of movies that the girl lead ends up falling for the best friend who was right under her nose the whole time and was really Mr. Right all along. So Hughes avoids an, imo, overused trope and also doesn't reward Ducky's bad behavior.
I agree. Remember that movie, "Lucas" staring Corey Haim? His character is supposed to be this lovable kid but he too is incredibly possessive of a girl who didn't like him that way. What was it about dudes in the 80's who thought because they were "nice guys" that they were entitled a girl even if she wasn't into him. Fellas, it doesn't work that way.
That is the issue with the Nice Guy Trope. The media continue to try sell guys like Duckie as Nice Guys and demonize the type of guys that girls actually like, calling them Bad Boys. They continue ths narrative saying the Nice Guys lost because they are underdogs. That is complete BS. I've met a lot of guys in the Nice Guy category that are ladies' men. They are handsome (well, a lot of girls think he is handsome and charming) and plenty of those in the Bad Boy category that are fat and ugly. It always follow the same formula. Yet, the Bad Boy still ended up getting the girl. Because, the real reason that Nice Guys finish last is because they are assholes and the Bad Boys are the real good guys. (In fact, that is exactly what happened with my cousin. She is a personal trainer/swim wear model. She had this Nice Guy category guy following her around. He is 15 years older. A lot of girls found him to be attractive. My cousin agreed to talk as just friends. But, he is such an entitled narcissist asshole. They are not even on boyfriend/girlfriend term and he already accuse her of cheating on him, for talking to other guys. She kicked him to the curb and warn that if he harass her again, she will call the cops. The Bad Boy on the other hand...he is a 200 kg fat guy, got rejected by the army for compulsary military service because he is too fat and he is a total dork. But, he is not an entitled narcissist asshole. He understand that a swim wear model is probably out of his league and is OK about it and is fine with just friend. It might not be love at first sight, but love at second sight that is a different story. They got married 4 years later. He actually lost a lot of weight now. Like I said before, my cousin is a personal traininer/neutritionist. So, she knows how to help him to loose weight without making it suffering.
My older sister took me to see Pretty in Pink in the movie theater when I was 12 years old. It was my favorite John Hughes teenage film, but Planes is his best film.
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, I’m assuming is what you mean. It’s a classic, but have you seen Dutch (it’s impossible to stream, at least in the US).
I'm a dude who doesn't normally watch chick flicks, especially modern ones (*cough* 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight *cough*), but Molly Ringwald was the actress that as a high school guy got me more interested in what girls and women are about as people, not just sex objects. When I saw 16 Candles, Breakfast Club and PIP, I wanted to know Molly Ringwald. It wasn't just a lustful thing like so many of my 90s chicks. She was the take her home to mom type. The kind of girl you wanted to take out and show a good time. I could have easily seen her growing into a Meg Ryan kind of role but with more depth. And in high school, I was definitely Ducky. The socially and physically awkward guy who didn't know how to tell the object of his affection that he loved her, or if she'd even care. Every time I watch this movie, I'm rooting for him so much because I saw so many of his screw ups and bad decisions in my own behaviour in high school. Fantastic film.
I discovered this in the late 90s after watching 90s teen movies where the girl always has to have a make over to get the guy. I liked that Andie had her own style and didn't change for anyone. She was self-confident and versatile. She made her own way. Blane seemed to not fit in with that frat bro thing and loved her confidence... The confidence he could never muster. I couldn't work out why everyone made fun of her clothes. They all looked bad to me as a 90s teen, the kind is stuff my Mum's friends gave me as hand-me-downs, but now I can see that Andie is wearing 40s style jackets and clothes she'd made herself. No costume drama made now and set in the 80s would get that level of detail right. The soundtrack is ace! I was a kid in the 80s and always liked that sort of music, but this is what tipped me over into a hardcore New Wave fan.
I agree it is totally an outlier. I remember seeing it when it came out, and I was amazed at the sophistication of the themes. The way the father is unable to overcome the abandonment by his wife until the daughter lays it out for him absolutely blew me away at the time. As did the music. (Psych Furs Forever!) Also, I recall how shocked I was at the totally unsafe use of the staple gun.
I’m so glad she ended up with Blaine. Duckie would have been rewarded after acting like he was entitled to her and her attention. I actually love the prom dress Andie wears.
A great movie. I remember watching this my senior year of Highschool. It really rsesonated with me, despite it being about a female character and coming out over twenty years prior. Just shows you how good Hughes' writing was, it appealed to everyone.
I remember going to see it at the cinema when it came out and the ONLY thing I remember from the movie is how much we all HATED the pink dress after she modified it... that moment of disappointment and disbelief which was supposed to be a moment of triumph and joy when she is revealed at the prom wearing it. It was way better before she changed it!
I saw this with my cousins in Ecuador in the summer of ’86 when I was 17 (with subtitles in Espanol). I’ll never forget how the audience reacted when it cuts to Kristie Swanson ("Duckette") at the end. A collective “HIJO-LE!!” LOL! Suffice to say, that test audience was right! Fantastic Hughes film! Always loved “Some kind of Wonderful” too!
Rest in peace, Alexa Kenin! I only found out recently that she died five months before the film was released, at only 23 years old, with the cause of her death never been made public.
I never understood how anyone could find Blane boring. He always struck me as a fairly tortured soul, and despite his privilege, the true outsider in the film. Andie has a loving father, Duckie has a true friend. Blane has neither. He’s terribly self conscious, half his attempts to flirt are cringe, he’s constantly apologizing for moments of cluelessness, he is patently uncool and self-effacing because he knows it. He’s incredibly relatable. It always kills me the way the life drains from his eyes when Steff mentions his parents😭 Then he takes Andie to the country club, onto their turf, almost like he’s trying to convince himself that he has power over them, but he’s just so led by fear it backfires. The self loathing when she pushes him into the locker and he’s starting to cry😢 UGH, how is any of that boring?!? And Andrew McCarthy nails it. As for which ending is better, the original ending just doesn’t give all three characters in the love triangle a completed arc👎Plus, for the story to work, Andie needs her fairy tale ending, and Andie wants Blane🤷🏻♀️ Hughes understood storytelling, marketing, and the power of teenage wish fulfillment- the ending had to change because the audience wasn’t getting that from the original.
If Charlie Sheen had played Blaine, and he was originally considered for the role, this movie would've basically been Two and a Half Men: The Early Years.
Hughes was a great director and writer, but he seemed to have a really fragile ego. You can't really blame Ringwald and Hall for wanting to do other roles and not be typecast into the same roles over and over again. I'm surprised Hughes didn't give that to them as he was more than capable writing more than teen comedies.
Well, it been explored before that Hughes din't have a great teenage social life, so writing this films it was his way to live those lost teenage moments, for him Cryer, Molly etc weren't just hired actors, for him they were his social circle, his friends, his family. He took rejection as a betray friendship.
I love this movie! It's a shame that they don't make these types of movies anymore. This generation doesn't really have a coming-of-age movie. I love that Andie is her own person, and doesn't try to fit in with the crowd, and neither does Blaine. Duckie is unique, too. He is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. May the 80s live forever!
9:21 As a kid, I remember always thinking Blaine styled his hair poorly for the prom so wasn't surprised to learn it's a wig. Then older me noticed the weight loss and now it's confirmed
One of the best teens movie's as for who she should have ended up with I think Blane was the right choice since she liked him from the start and we Duckie get the girl at the dance and that was so satisfying
It is insane how Hughes never was nominated for Oscar Best Screenplay, for sure no one writes like him. Most of today comedies own a lot to Hughes style.
I recently showed this film to my daughter and I was surprised how much she hated the ending. She said she found Blaine to be boring and that Duckie was way more interesting.
I think the original ending of the movie would had stayed if the role of duckie was played by Robert because I heard that molly and Robert had great chemistry together Sucks these two never have worked together
This movie is so iconic that they referenced it in the season 1 episode "Ruskie Business" of Veronica Mars. At the 80s dance, Meg dresses in the iconic pink prom dress to meet her secret admirer dressed as Duckie.
I am so glad they didn't go with the original ending. Even as a kid in the 80s I thought ducky was a weirdo. He was the original neckbeard. Wheni started to like girls I legit learned what not to do from him.
I will never forget the first time I felt so connected to, the one scene I consider, out of all the scenes in Pretty in Pink, the most honest one, which is Duckie crying in the rain after found out about Blane. You felt about Duckie like you would feel about you because you were in his shoes at some point.
Crazy how Robert Downey Jr was up for the role. It almost makes that mid-80s SNL season with Anthony Mucharl Hall, Randy Quaid, and Downey brought to us by Hughes but somehow was a very bad season. Might make for a good video. Also, after watching these Hughes films, it makes me want to watch High Fidelity as a response.
Robert Downey, Jr., was so hot back then. I would have fallen in love with him immediately if he were ducky. No way would I except her going off with that weird looking guy Blaine with the creepy eyes.
I finally watched it. I graduated in class of ‘93 and can relate to what the vibe was back then in high school. However, I can’t believe all the smoking they threw into the film for no good reason. In the 80’s would you get away with that in high school during gym or in the hallway? I doubt it. Why did she continue to go out to place like CATS? She was underage. That makes no sense to me. Her character was very studious. I honestly cannot believe that a girl like her character would stoop so low as to go to some seedy bar on her off time & still spend a lot of time studying. The two concepts do not go together. Love Duckie’s character & knew my own Duckie. I miss this person. Unfortunately, he’s no longer with us. He turned out to be gay as well. Blaine’s character was too vanilla for me. I need something more than just nice guy that drives cool car. None of the dialogue between the two was really anything interesting or special. All of sudden they’re just making out everywhere. That’s not really love. That’s lust. And I hated her prom dress. They did her dirty. I am happy for you all that enjoyed the movie but to me it lacks substance. John Hughes should have consulted an actual woman about the character. Instead we get a story that goes back to old tropes. I get now why there’s a Team Duckie. But I don’t think that was right either. I do love how it captured the 80’s. The music was phenomenal & the costumes were great. The script needed work. 4 out of 10 stars for me.
Molly Ringwald also played a mother of 5 (with jason priestly as her husband) in the sitcom "Raising Expectations" its a fun and low key watch i wanna say 3 seasons in the late 2010s.
She plays a lot of mom characters. She's always playing a mom or a parental figure like in Riverdale, Jem and the Holograms and The Kissing Booth films among others.
I have always been team Duckie, from the first time I saw this wonderful little slice of 80s teen movie heaven. If there was anybody that related wholeheartedly to the Duckman, it's me. I been in his shoes for the majority of my life. Everytime I hear OMD's if you leave, I think of Pretty in Pink! I could only hope to make a movie one day, that has this iconic of a soundtrack!! It's kind of weird, but interesting, that Andrew Dice Clay has a cameo in this, & playing himself.
What I took from this movie was I'll never get the pretty girl no matter how hard I tried, and it was true. It really hurt to come to terms with that. Probably why I'm still alone.
*I found the movie classist. Seeing as how "Blaine" (Andrew McCarthy) was considered "cute" by virtue of all his money and had no personality other than the fratboy-type that spent his time doing lines of coke with his douchy buddy James Spader in the HIGH SCHOOL bathroom (even if it was the 80's that's BS). Ducky had style (even if out there), his dancing was outrageous, annoying but still endearing, and Ringwalds attempt at retconning him into a gay person (all due respect to the LGBTQ community and "her friend") is pretty ridiculous. If I remember correctly (and I haven't seen the movie in many years) I found Ringwalds character Andy to be dismissive (Ducky), demanding (her father) and shrill, all but throwing a hissy fit because of who her date was. The majority of the movie was, "not a good look".*
And why shouldn’t she act dismissive towards someone who acted entitled to her attention and affection just because he had feelings for her? Besides it was pretty obvious that Andie didn’t fall for Blaine just because of his money. The fact that he’s rich and she’s not is a OBSTACLE.
@maxsteel8031 A few comments: "spent his time doing coke..." when in the heck did you see Blaine doing coke? "Duckie had style (...), annoying but still endearing" Who said he wasnt? Andy stayted more than once how much she liked him and thought was a wonderful person. "retconning him into a gay person (...) is pretty ridiculous" Its not ridiculous. That's exactly as I (for instance) see him. I'm not saying anyone who acts like that IS gay, but it is absolutely possible. I'm also not saying just because I see him that way it should be, only saying Molly is not the only one. "I found (...) Andy to be dismissive (Ducky)" She was going on a normal date with someone, and Duckie, instead of telling her how he felt about her (wich he NEVER did) practically vomited "reasons" why it was bad to go out with Blaine (including having a bad name). "(...)demanding (her father)" Yelling at him to practically "snap out of it", after being extreamly supportive of her father's pain by his wife (and HER mother) abandonment, and incouraging him to get a job despite of him lying about not even going to the interview, while dealing with her own pain of loosing her mother... what could she'ld been thinking? "all but throwing a hissy fit because of who her date was" I'ld say that maybe she could have done it differently (than yelling at him in front of everyone in school), but you can definately understand her anger and dissapointment for him having her hopes up, being lied to and judged by her social status. "The majority of the movie was, 'not a good look'." Respect this opinion. "Blaine (...) had no personality" I left this one for last because I think it's the most important point. I find Blane much (much) more interesting than Duckie, precisely because of his quiete nature. You can clearly see (and that's the point of the movie), there's much more to him than his environment and social status. Duckie on the other hand, allthough he's fun and a good friend, he's immature, and like I sayed before, he never told her how he felt, other than the "sarcastic" remarks he constantly made (maybe because he knew she would reject him and wasn't ready to deal with that). My point here is not that I find Blaine more interesting, but that it doesn't matter that you think he wasnt. Others might, and Andy was one of them. Anyway, this is my view on this. Sorry for the long comment. It's the first time I watch this movie in my life (wanting to watch it since I was a little girl), and loved it. Cheers!
@@idacenicienta3697 Exactly. In regards to OP's comment I was thinking, she, a teenage girl, was practically taking care of her father while he was only feeling sorry for himself!
I am enjoying your videos, your content is great! If you haven't already, could you please review "Some Kind of Wonderful?" Another great Hughes movie which is underrated. Thanks :)
I didn't get the feeling that Duckie was gay at all, he was head over heels for her character.I personally feel Molly Ringwald wasn't that nice to Jon Cryer on film, and influenced Hughes too much. Also, Jon Cryer went onto bloom while Ringwald has not. Having said that, I love this film. Duckie is the best! James Spader is the perfect ass hole character.
Why DID they use that horrific dress?? The 2 dresses were much nicer in their original form. She had a nice figure & that dress was downright terrible.
her ending up with Duckie would have been far too cliché and never been believable, she acts towards him through the whole film sort of as if he is an annoying little brother. speaking of which it is made fairly obvious a few times that he is a little younger than her, what girl that age dates younger guys and he is definitely still far younger than her maturity wise. everyone loves "Sixteen Candles" and "The Breakfast Club" but what i have always really liked about "Pretty In Pink" is it felt much more like a real movie and not as much of a comedy or goofy. and i love how at the end during the Prom which is a huge deal when your growing and like a life mile stone for people how Steph and Benny are just miserable and arguing with each other the whole time. i feel bad for Hughes how his two stars he loved casting in these films and sort of made their careers, both just bailed on him. but im glad Cryer got the role and he MADE Duckie, and i didnt think Duckie was that strange. he didnt look that different at all from some of the kids at my highschool that were big Smiths fans and that was in Oklahoma. and i have heard a lot of people through the years say Molly was an absolute entitled brat back at that time that had quite a rep for going to big clubs "she shouldnt have even been allowed into yet in the first place" and just acting like a total princess.
Molly Ringwald lost a huge opportunity by turning down the role of Vivian Ward in Pretty Woman, the same role that launched Julia Roberts into worldwide recognition. Her reasoning for declining such a lucrative role was because she felt the script was too sexual, even though everything was covered. It’s not like the film was one of those European artsy films with taboo topics.
@@kevincooper1982 she probably still saw herself as a brand that didn't want to go outside her "element". It's the same reason Andrew McCarthy didn't really challenge himself after the 80s.
The original script was supposedly much different, none of the Cinderella type of stuff Roberts ended up with. I heard it was about drug addiction & she doesn't end up with the guy in the end.
In this movie, id be Duckie in the love triangle and not get the girl. So I can definitely relate to Duckie because he's an underdog and he still doesn't get the girl, and neither do I😔
I’ve had quite a few Duckie pals in high school, in college, and beyond. I’ve also had Farmer Ted friends, as well. No romantic spark for me, but I love/loved them. TBH, I could see Duckie AND Blaine being gay.
I love this movie but I have NEVER liked that sing w/ Duckie & that whole torturous song. 😵💫 I wish they used those precious minutes to showcase more of…anything!!
This movie was only successful because of the part James Spader played. His portrayal of Steff in this supporting role meant he outshone the other actors. He is able to mould an intense and interesting character out of nothing. He's a remarkable actor.
Never understood the writing of Steff's attitude. Spader was great in the part. But, the spin makes no sense. It's high school. There is this hot girl who's into you. Your friend is troubled by the fact that she's poor? I'm sorry but no high school boy is going to give a shit. You'd be telling your friend to hit that ASAP.
I have watched your revisits of the Ringwald/Hughes era and all I get from it is that Hughes had amazing insight into teenagers, and Ringwald is a very unappreciated person. In a weird way she mirrors Duckie more than Andi.
Horror movie "Promising Young Woman" finds the thrill in obliterating nice guys. Maybe Duckie is not so innocents and so nice. Blasting Peter Gabriel form boombox is nice gesture, but it is one step from retraining order against stalker.
@@JoBloOriginals You can only play an adolescent for so long and to be fair to Ringwald, I didn't see many Hughes protégés burning up the film charts either.
I'm glad that Andie didn't end up with Duckie, since he acted SO entitled and obnoxious about her interest in Blaine, and wouldn't take no for an answer when she didn't show any romantic interest in him.
Yeah, I agree. Not only did he act like an entitled, spoiled brat-- it also is a trope, damn near the point of cliche, in these kind of movies that the girl lead ends up falling for the best friend who was right under her nose the whole time and was really Mr. Right all along.
So Hughes avoids an, imo, overused trope and also doesn't reward Ducky's bad behavior.
Dude this was in the 80s, and as a little boy I was like, "This guy is gross"
I agree. Remember that movie, "Lucas" staring Corey Haim? His character is supposed to be this lovable kid but he too is incredibly possessive of a girl who didn't like him that way. What was it about dudes in the 80's who thought because they were "nice guys" that they were entitled a girl even if she wasn't into him. Fellas, it doesn't work that way.
That is the issue with the Nice Guy Trope. The media continue to try sell guys like Duckie as Nice Guys and demonize the type of guys that girls actually like, calling them Bad Boys.
They continue ths narrative saying the Nice Guys lost because they are underdogs. That is complete BS. I've met a lot of guys in the Nice Guy category that are ladies' men. They are handsome (well, a lot of girls think he is handsome and charming) and plenty of those in the Bad Boy category that are fat and ugly. It always follow the same formula.
Yet, the Bad Boy still ended up getting the girl. Because, the real reason that Nice Guys finish last is because they are assholes and the Bad Boys are the real good guys. (In fact, that is exactly what happened with my cousin. She is a personal trainer/swim wear model. She had this Nice Guy category guy following her around. He is 15 years older. A lot of girls found him to be attractive. My cousin agreed to talk as just friends. But, he is such an entitled narcissist asshole. They are not even on boyfriend/girlfriend term and he already accuse her of cheating on him, for talking to other guys. She kicked him to the curb and warn that if he harass her again, she will call the cops.
The Bad Boy on the other hand...he is a 200 kg fat guy, got rejected by the army for compulsary military service because he is too fat and he is a total dork. But, he is not an entitled narcissist asshole. He understand that a swim wear model is probably out of his league and is OK about it and is fine with just friend. It might not be love at first sight, but love at second sight that is a different story. They got married 4 years later. He actually lost a lot of weight now. Like I said before, my cousin is a personal traininer/neutritionist. So, she knows how to help him to loose weight without making it suffering.
I agree, but she also isn’t innocent, she kept him around.
My older sister took me to see Pretty in Pink in the movie theater when I was 12 years old. It was my favorite John Hughes teenage film, but Planes is his best film.
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, I’m assuming is what you mean. It’s a classic, but have you seen Dutch (it’s impossible to stream, at least in the US).
I'm a dude who doesn't normally watch chick flicks, especially modern ones (*cough* 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight *cough*), but Molly Ringwald was the actress that as a high school guy got me more interested in what girls and women are about as people, not just sex objects. When I saw 16 Candles, Breakfast Club and PIP, I wanted to know Molly Ringwald. It wasn't just a lustful thing like so many of my 90s chicks. She was the take her home to mom type. The kind of girl you wanted to take out and show a good time. I could have easily seen her growing into a Meg Ryan kind of role but with more depth. And in high school, I was definitely Ducky. The socially and physically awkward guy who didn't know how to tell the object of his affection that he loved her, or if she'd even care. Every time I watch this movie, I'm rooting for him so much because I saw so many of his screw ups and bad decisions in my own behaviour in high school. Fantastic film.
I discovered this in the late 90s after watching 90s teen movies where the girl always has to have a make over to get the guy. I liked that Andie had her own style and didn't change for anyone. She was self-confident and versatile. She made her own way. Blane seemed to not fit in with that frat bro thing and loved her confidence... The confidence he could never muster.
I couldn't work out why everyone made fun of her clothes. They all looked bad to me as a 90s teen, the kind is stuff my Mum's friends gave me as hand-me-downs, but now I can see that Andie is wearing 40s style jackets and clothes she'd made herself. No costume drama made now and set in the 80s would get that level of detail right.
The soundtrack is ace! I was a kid in the 80s and always liked that sort of music, but this is what tipped me over into a hardcore New Wave fan.
I grew up on movies made by him. I learned alot from these movies, not sure if its good or bad .Thanks for revisiting the work He has done.
We're you like me and thought that's what high school would be like? Haha
I agree it is totally an outlier. I remember seeing it when it came out, and I was amazed at the sophistication of the themes. The way the father is unable to overcome the abandonment by his wife until the daughter lays it out for him absolutely blew me away at the time. As did the music. (Psych Furs Forever!) Also, I recall how shocked I was at the totally unsafe use of the staple gun.
I’m so glad she ended up with Blaine. Duckie would have been rewarded after acting like he was entitled to her and her attention.
I actually love the prom dress Andie wears.
A great movie. I remember watching this my senior year of Highschool. It really rsesonated with me, despite it being about a female character and coming out over twenty years prior. Just shows you how good Hughes' writing was, it appealed to everyone.
I remember going to see it at the cinema when it came out and the ONLY thing I remember from the movie is how much we all HATED the pink dress after she modified it... that moment of disappointment and disbelief which was supposed to be a moment of triumph and joy when she is revealed at the prom wearing it. It was way better before she changed it!
I actually love the dress
@@starrsmith3810ok but not for tall & thin Molly Ringwald.
I saw this with my cousins in Ecuador in the summer of ’86 when I was 17 (with subtitles in Espanol). I’ll never forget how the audience reacted when it cuts to Kristie Swanson ("Duckette") at the end.
A collective “HIJO-LE!!”
LOL!
Suffice to say, that test audience was right!
Fantastic Hughes film! Always loved “Some kind of Wonderful” too!
Rest in peace, Alexa Kenin! I only found out recently that she died five months before the film was released, at only 23 years old, with the cause of her death never been made public.
I was a little surprised and disappointed that there was no mention of this. Her role in the film was small but she made it memorable.
John Hughes movies are amazing! I’m glad I grew up during this era
John Hughes written but not directed "Some Kind of Wonderful" also took place in Los Angeles
I never understood how anyone could find Blane boring. He always struck me as a fairly tortured soul, and despite his privilege, the true outsider in the film. Andie has a loving father, Duckie has a true friend. Blane has neither. He’s terribly self conscious, half his attempts to flirt are cringe, he’s constantly apologizing for moments of cluelessness, he is patently uncool and self-effacing because he knows it. He’s incredibly relatable. It always kills me the way the life drains from his eyes when Steff mentions his parents😭 Then he takes Andie to the country club, onto their turf, almost like he’s trying to convince himself that he has power over them, but he’s just so led by fear it backfires. The self loathing when she pushes him into the locker and he’s starting to cry😢 UGH, how is any of that boring?!? And Andrew McCarthy nails it.
As for which ending is better, the original ending just doesn’t give all three characters in the love triangle a completed arc👎Plus, for the story to work, Andie needs her fairy tale ending, and Andie wants Blane🤷🏻♀️ Hughes understood storytelling, marketing, and the power of teenage wish fulfillment- the ending had to change because the audience wasn’t getting that from the original.
If Charlie Sheen had played Blaine, and he was originally considered for the role, this movie would've basically been Two and a Half Men: The Early Years.
Hughes was a great director and writer, but he seemed to have a really fragile ego. You can't really blame Ringwald and Hall for wanting to do other roles and not be typecast into the same roles over and over again. I'm surprised Hughes didn't give that to them as he was more than capable writing more than teen comedies.
Well, it been explored before that Hughes din't have a great teenage social life, so writing this films it was his way to live those lost teenage moments, for him Cryer, Molly etc weren't just hired actors, for him they were his social circle, his friends, his family. He took rejection as a betray friendship.
I think the final ending is way better for duckies character. Makes him seem like he actually cares about her and wants her to be happy
I don't think Duckie comes off as closeted. He's more like the original hipster.
I love this movie! It's a shame that they don't make these types of movies anymore. This generation doesn't really have a coming-of-age movie. I love that Andie is her own person, and doesn't try to fit in with the crowd, and neither does Blaine. Duckie is unique, too. He is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. May the 80s live forever!
Pretty in Pink is set in Chicago, it's Some Kind of Wonderful that's in Los Angeles.
9:21 As a kid, I remember always thinking Blaine styled his hair poorly for the prom so wasn't surprised to learn it's a wig. Then older me noticed the weight loss and now it's confirmed
Yeah it’s very noticeable.
One of the best teens movie's as for who she should have ended up with I think Blane was the right choice since she liked him from the start and we Duckie get the girl at the dance and that was so satisfying
It is insane how Hughes never was nominated for Oscar Best Screenplay, for sure no one writes like him. Most of today comedies own a lot to Hughes style.
I recently showed this film to my daughter and I was surprised how much she hated the ending. She said she found Blaine to be boring and that Duckie was way more interesting.
Everyone thought I was Duckie, I thought I was Blaine, but really I was Steff.
James Spader was very impressive in this movie, and he definitely made Steff a character you'd love to hate!
Some Kind of Wonderful takes place in LA also...
Molly ringwald was so beautiful. Her dancing on the stairs in the breakfast club was 🤐
What do you think about the thing that people say that Benny bullied Andie because she was jelous of Steff's attention towards her?
I was 6 when this came out so a little before my time, but is that Alan from 2 and a half men? 😆
Yep, indeed it is! Jon Cryer still has the same voice 36 years later!
Indeed! His name is Jon Cryer, and as hard to believe as it may be, he looks damn near the same to this day! 😉🤔🙂
Washout
I think the original ending of the movie would had stayed if the role of duckie was played by Robert because I heard that molly and Robert had great chemistry together Sucks these two never have worked together
They worked together the next year in 1987 in the Pickup Artist.
This movie is so iconic that they referenced it in the season 1 episode "Ruskie Business" of Veronica Mars. At the 80s dance, Meg dresses in the iconic pink prom dress to meet her secret admirer dressed as Duckie.
I am always amazed by people who love the song because of the film, but never thought about what the lyrics of the title song actually mean.
I am so glad they didn't go with the original ending. Even as a kid in the 80s I thought ducky was a weirdo. He was the original neckbeard.
Wheni started to like girls I legit learned what not to do from him.
Thank you for mentioning Marilyn Vance!!!!
Some Kind of Wonderful, John Hughes' dark reflection of Pretty in Pink, is also set in LA.
I think that's Gene Kelly.
Thank god charlie sheen didn't get the part as Blaine he wouldn't been a good fit in the role
I loved watching pretty in pink when I was a kid 💜
Ahhhh the 80's if only I grew up in the 80's instead of the crappy 2000's.. although I'd be almost in my 60's by now if I grew up in the early 80's.
So since most of his Chicago movies are shot in California like Ferris, does this mean most of it was shot in Chicago??? Lol
It would make sense since there are Illinois plates on the vehicle about 8 minutes in.
Thank god they went with Cryer.
I will never forget the first time I felt so connected to, the one scene I consider, out of all the scenes in Pretty in Pink, the most honest one, which is Duckie crying in the rain after found out about Blane. You felt about Duckie like you would feel about you because you were in his shoes at some point.
This one I think *is* set in Chicago though. _Some Kind of Wonderful_ is *definitely* Los Angeles
Crazy how Robert Downey Jr was up for the role. It almost makes that mid-80s SNL season with Anthony Mucharl Hall, Randy Quaid, and Downey brought to us by Hughes but somehow was a very bad season. Might make for a good video.
Also, after watching these Hughes films, it makes me want to watch High Fidelity as a response.
@Donald Donald yeah, opened by Madonna, the cast lasted one season. The next season opened with Jan Hooks as Madonna apologizing for the prior season.
Robert Downey, Jr., was so hot back then. I would have fallen in love with him immediately if he were ducky. No way would I except her going off with that weird looking guy Blaine with the creepy eyes.
4:30 "I always have fun playing the bad guy"
Ultron: He will be my voice
Duckie ends up with Kristie Swanson instead of Ringwald? BIG win for Duckie!!!
Which of course would never have happened. Just a cheap tacked on ending.
What I had know idea that Kristy Swanson was in the movie
That Colorado stinky inky is GOOOOOD!
I love this movie
I finally watched it. I graduated in class of ‘93 and can relate to what the vibe was back then in high school. However, I can’t believe all the smoking they threw into the film for no good reason. In the 80’s would you get away with that in high school during gym or in the hallway? I doubt it. Why did she continue to go out to place like CATS? She was underage. That makes no sense to me. Her character was very studious. I honestly cannot believe that a girl like her character would stoop so low as to go to some seedy bar on her off time & still spend a lot of time studying. The two concepts do not go together. Love Duckie’s character & knew my own Duckie. I miss this person. Unfortunately, he’s no longer with us. He turned out to be gay as well. Blaine’s character was too vanilla for me. I need something more than just nice guy that drives cool car. None of the dialogue between the two was really anything interesting or special. All of sudden they’re just making out everywhere. That’s not really love. That’s lust. And I hated her prom dress. They did her dirty. I am happy for you all that enjoyed the movie but to me it lacks substance. John Hughes should have consulted an actual woman about the character. Instead we get a story that goes back to old tropes. I get now why there’s a Team Duckie. But I don’t think that was right either. I do love how it captured the 80’s. The music was phenomenal & the costumes were great. The script needed work. 4 out of 10 stars for me.
Yeah it was called " not another teen movie"
Molly Ringwald also played a mother of 5 (with jason priestly as her husband) in the sitcom "Raising Expectations"
its a fun and low key watch i wanna say 3 seasons in the late 2010s.
She plays a lot of mom characters. She's always playing a mom or a parental figure like in Riverdale, Jem and the Holograms and The Kissing Booth films among others.
I have always been team Duckie, from the first time I saw this wonderful little slice of 80s teen movie heaven. If there was anybody that related wholeheartedly to the Duckman, it's me. I been in his shoes for the majority of my life. Everytime I hear OMD's if you leave, I think of Pretty in Pink! I could only hope to make a movie one day, that has this iconic of a soundtrack!! It's kind of weird, but interesting, that Andrew Dice Clay has a cameo in this, & playing himself.
What I took from this movie was I'll never get the pretty girl no matter how hard I tried, and it was true. It really hurt to come to terms with that. Probably why I'm still alone.
Love this film
This is more a biography of the movie than a review
Never pass up a woman who drives a Karmann Ghia!
PP does not need a sequel...save for an attempt at a cahs grab that will most likely piss people off or disappoint them. As usual.
*I found the movie classist. Seeing as how "Blaine" (Andrew McCarthy) was considered "cute" by virtue of all his money and had no personality other than the fratboy-type that spent his time doing lines of coke with his douchy buddy James Spader in the HIGH SCHOOL bathroom (even if it was the 80's that's BS). Ducky had style (even if out there), his dancing was outrageous, annoying but still endearing, and Ringwalds attempt at retconning him into a gay person (all due respect to the LGBTQ community and "her friend") is pretty ridiculous. If I remember correctly (and I haven't seen the movie in many years) I found Ringwalds character Andy to be dismissive (Ducky), demanding (her father) and shrill, all but throwing a hissy fit because of who her date was. The majority of the movie was, "not a good look".*
And why shouldn’t she act dismissive towards someone who acted entitled to her attention and affection just because he had feelings for her? Besides it was pretty obvious that Andie didn’t fall for Blaine just because of his money. The fact that he’s rich and she’s not is a OBSTACLE.
@maxsteel8031 A few comments:
"spent his time doing coke..."
when in the heck did you see Blaine doing coke?
"Duckie had style (...), annoying but still endearing"
Who said he wasnt? Andy stayted more than once how much she liked him and thought was a wonderful person.
"retconning him into a gay person (...) is pretty ridiculous"
Its not ridiculous. That's exactly as I (for instance) see him. I'm not saying anyone who acts like that IS gay, but it is absolutely possible. I'm also not saying just because I see him that way it should be, only saying Molly is not the only one.
"I found (...) Andy to be dismissive (Ducky)"
She was going on a normal date with someone, and Duckie, instead of telling her how he felt about her (wich he NEVER did) practically vomited "reasons" why it was bad to go out with Blaine (including having a bad name).
"(...)demanding (her father)"
Yelling at him to practically "snap out of it", after being extreamly supportive of her father's pain by his wife (and HER mother) abandonment, and incouraging him to get a job despite of him lying about not even going to the interview, while dealing with her own pain of loosing her mother... what could she'ld been thinking?
"all but throwing a hissy fit because of who her date was"
I'ld say that maybe she could have done it differently (than yelling at him in front of everyone in school), but you can definately understand her anger and dissapointment for him having her hopes up, being lied to and judged by her social status.
"The majority of the movie was, 'not a good look'."
Respect this opinion.
"Blaine (...) had no personality"
I left this one for last because I think it's the most important point.
I find Blane much (much) more interesting than Duckie, precisely because of his quiete nature. You can clearly see (and that's the point of the movie), there's much more to him than his environment and social status. Duckie on the other hand, allthough he's fun and a good friend, he's immature, and like I sayed before, he never told her how he felt, other than the "sarcastic" remarks he constantly made (maybe because he knew she would reject him and wasn't ready to deal with that). My point here is not that I find Blaine more interesting, but that it doesn't matter that you think he wasnt. Others might, and Andy was one of them.
Anyway, this is my view on this. Sorry for the long comment. It's the first time I watch this movie in my life (wanting to watch it since I was a little girl), and loved it. Cheers!
@@idacenicienta3697 Exactly. In regards to OP's comment I was thinking, she, a teenage girl, was practically taking care of her father while he was only feeling sorry for himself!
Wow….I didn’t know it took place in LA….I didn’t recognize any of the locations
I am enjoying your videos, your content is great! If you haven't already, could you please review "Some Kind of Wonderful?" Another great Hughes movie which is underrated. Thanks :)
I always wanted duckie as my BFF .blaine was boring as fuck .😂
Is "Some kind of Wonderful" next, and then "Uncle Buck".
I didn't get the feeling that Duckie was gay at all, he was head over heels for her character.I personally feel Molly Ringwald wasn't that nice to Jon Cryer on film, and influenced Hughes too much. Also, Jon Cryer went onto bloom while Ringwald has not.
Having said that, I love this film. Duckie is the best!
James Spader is the perfect ass hole character.
Why DID they use that horrific dress?? The 2 dresses were much nicer in their original form. She had a nice figure & that dress was downright terrible.
Rewatching it again what did Andi and Blayne see in each other? I'm not sure why they were attracted to each other.
Wasn’t the alternative ending on the recent blu ray release?
Sadly no - I think the footage was burned!
Loved this movie! 💗💗💗💗
ITS GOOD
You should do ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK/L.A.
Very good idea!
@@JoBloOriginals those two are one of my favourite movies of all time & I noticed that you haven't covered those yet 😎
I was Ducky in high school. Like a girl and goes for the jerk,
Nobody can sing Try a Little Tenderness like Nuke can. Getting the words wrong and making Crash mad.
her ending up with Duckie would have been far too cliché and never been believable, she acts towards him through the whole film sort of as if he is an annoying little brother. speaking of which it is made fairly obvious a few times that he is a little younger than her, what girl that age dates younger guys and he is definitely still far younger than her maturity wise.
everyone loves "Sixteen Candles" and "The Breakfast Club" but what i have always really liked about "Pretty In Pink" is it felt much more like a real movie and not as much of a comedy or goofy.
and i love how at the end during the Prom which is a huge deal when your growing and like a life mile stone for people how Steph and Benny are just miserable and arguing with each other the whole time.
i feel bad for Hughes how his two stars he loved casting in these films and sort of made their careers, both just bailed on him. but im glad Cryer got the role and he MADE Duckie, and i didnt think Duckie was that strange. he didnt look that different at all from some of the kids at my highschool that were big Smiths fans and that was in Oklahoma.
and i have heard a lot of people through the years say Molly was an absolute entitled brat back at that time that had quite a rep for going to big clubs "she shouldnt have even been allowed into yet in the first place" and just acting like a total princess.
Duckies is the comic relief and they never get the guy/girl.
Molly Ringwald lost a huge opportunity by turning down the role of Vivian Ward in Pretty Woman, the same role that launched Julia Roberts into worldwide recognition. Her reasoning for declining such a lucrative role was because she felt the script was too sexual, even though everything was covered. It’s not like the film was one of those European artsy films with taboo topics.
Maybe she was reading the script that was called $3000 and was being directed by Dennis Hopper 🤔
@@kevincooper1982 she probably still saw herself as a brand that didn't want to go outside her "element". It's the same reason Andrew McCarthy didn't really challenge himself after the 80s.
The original script was supposedly much different, none of the Cinderella type of stuff Roberts ended up with. I heard it was about drug addiction & she doesn't end up with the guy in the end.
In this movie, id be Duckie in the love triangle and not get the girl. So I can definitely relate to Duckie because he's an underdog and he still doesn't get the girl, and neither do I😔
Duckie met a pretty girl at the prom.
I’ve had quite a few Duckie pals in high school, in college, and beyond. I’ve also had Farmer Ted friends, as well. No romantic spark for me, but I love/loved them.
TBH, I could see Duckie AND Blaine being gay.
Watch Costume Designer Marilyn Vance episode on Designing Hollywood
It made money!
"Ready player two" brought me here
I love this movie but I have NEVER liked that sing w/ Duckie & that whole torturous song. 😵💫
I wish they used those precious minutes to showcase more of…anything!!
This movie was only successful because of the part James Spader played. His portrayal of Steff in this supporting role meant he outshone the other actors. He is able to mould an intense and interesting character out of nothing. He's a remarkable actor.
If this movie was to be made today Andy would've ended up Duckie
Never understood the writing of Steff's attitude. Spader was great in the part. But, the spin makes no sense. It's high school. There is this hot girl who's into you. Your friend is troubled by the fact that she's poor? I'm sorry but no high school boy is going to give a shit. You'd be telling your friend to hit that ASAP.
Steff was jealous that she didn't go for him. He tried to get with her first. He was rejected by Molly's character. That's why he was mad.
I have watched your revisits of the Ringwald/Hughes era and all I get from it is that Hughes had amazing insight into teenagers, and Ringwald is a very unappreciated person. In a weird way she mirrors Duckie more than Andi.
Some kind of Wonderful is way better in comparison.
Yes
You should review Career Opportunities. The chemistry between his characters in that movie was laughable.
Haha - we might!
Really??? I had planned on seeing that hahahaha
Horror movie "Promising Young Woman" finds the thrill in obliterating nice guys. Maybe Duckie is not so innocents and so nice. Blasting Peter Gabriel form boombox is nice gesture, but it is one step from retraining order against stalker.
Watch it several times on two different Laserdisc releases. But after Two and a half men I simply can't stand Jon Cryer.
can’t even BEGIN to get into this movie, it’s so much more forced than the other Hughs movies…4/10.
Got to do the better movie Some Kind of Wonderful
Ducky wasn’t Gay
no one is supporting my "Ducky wasn't Gay" movement?
I agree. He was simply over the top annoying
I always pictured Duckie as being Asexual.
Ehh….just be honest…ringwalds career went nowhere after her fallout with Hughes.
I mean, yeah sadly.
@@JoBloOriginals
You can only play an adolescent for so long and to be fair to Ringwald, I didn't see many Hughes protégés burning up the film charts either.
Old movies like this prove that racism is, indeed, hilarious.
Molly career flop without John
You should do some kind of wonderful
Didn’t Molly Ringwald play the stepmother in that Jeffrey Dahmer show?
James Spader was so hot in this movie. I don’t care if he’s an asshole. He was yummy!
The pink dress is actually a disaster.