Thank you for that summary I have an S1 Harold Radford Bentley in the UK that was in the USA. Firstly in California with Sheldon Riskin in Los Angeles Later in Delaware with Robert Rowland in Wilmington. Can you give me any contact to either previous owner please? Thank you- 'richard.stancomb@gmail.com'
The Rolls Royce Silver Cloud 1 (6 in line) never had one SU carburetter, always two SU carbutetters. Only the Bentley Continental had more power due to his different cylinder head.
Tommy, Rolls-Royce Ltd used the GM Hydramatic, making it available on the Silver Dawn/Silver Wraith/Phantom IV/Bentley R Type in 1952. It was standardised on Silver Cloud/Bentley S series, continuing into the Shadow era, although left hand drive Shadows used the GM Turbo Hydramatic 400 from the beginning. GM torque converter automatic transmissions were used until the very end of the SZ series in 2000. Additionally, the car is a Bentley S - not an S1 - and it has two SU carburettors, not one. It is precisely this type of misinformation permeating the RROC that made me cancel my membership twenty years ago. I joined in 1970.
In Europe there where only the S1 or Cloud 1 ( six inline) with two SU carburetors. I have never seen a IOE version with one carburetor in a S1 or Cloud 1. According to RR it does not even exist as a car engine in the S1 or Cloud 1. I am a collector for 35 years. 1 in S1 means by the way Model S Mark 1. Later came the MK2 V8 1959 till 1962 and MK3 V8 1962 till 1965. A one carburetor engine (B61 series) in that time was only produced for military vehicles with less power output and more torque at low revs.
@@womersleydanny1178 If the factory called it an S1, then that's what it would be, but, they didn't, so it isn't. I'm in the RROC and FoF, I've owned a '79 SS2. Every third Saturday I go to Mechanicsburg, PA to the club. We have all the tech books, cars in the showroom, left and right drivers. For the life of me I can't figure out why some people do that. The are an S, S2-3, or RR Silver Cloud, Cloud 2 0r 3. Silver Shadow, or SS2.
@@gordonvincent731 Here in the UK, when I was very young, I was fortunate enough to know someone who had worked in the Crewe factory in the 1950s and 1960s ... he referred to an 'S1' as an "S Type" and a 'Silver Cloud 1' as a "Silver Cloud" . To call an 'S1' an "S Type" is very logical as it follows on from the convention of calling the long-booted (trunked for USA readers)) version of a Mk VI Bentley an "R Type" ... so in the factory it was usual to call them "R Type" and "S Type". The numbers '2' and '3' only became added when updated versions of the Type became available so what you are saying is absolutely correct. I'm a UK member of our RREC and currently have a 1982 Silver Spirit which is extremely similar apart from body-shape to a Shadow II . Previously I've had a 1990 Silver Spirit II ... also a 1971 Silver Shadow.
@@nickeldridge9454 Thanks for your kind reply. I had a 1979 Silver Shadow 2 SRK 37872, Ivory with dark brown leather. I sold it to Cooper Classic Cars in NYC and he shipped it back to England. Who knows, you might run across it there, lol!
@@gordonvincent731 Thanks for responding Gordon ... I forgot to say that in England we still use 'Type" to describe the Bentley version of a Silver Shadow and we will call it a "T Type Bentley" ... not a 'T1' ... for the T2 we use "T2" like the rest of the world. I'll keep my eyes open for your old Ivory coloured Shadow II ... I'm sure it's still around over here somewhere. Back in the 1970s I worked at Sargeants of Goudhurst who were a very well-known Independent Specialist company for RR and Bentley cars here in South-East England ... we particularly specialised in the old 'Derby Bentleys' built at the Derby factory in the 1930s. We had a NYC customer back then who used to send his Rolls-Royces across the Atlantic to us for restorations !! ... then we would send them back again which must have cost the customer a fortune !! I think maybe there weren't so many specialist RR companies in the NYC area in those days.
This guy is completely lost! Both the RR and Bentleys from 1955-1966 had dual SU carbs. This guy stated that the RR model only had one carb. 100% false. 😕
This car is elegance personified. Such classic understatement . Thanks for explaining it so well.
thank you
Thank you for that summary
I have an S1 Harold Radford Bentley in the UK that was in the USA.
Firstly in California with Sheldon Riskin in Los Angeles
Later in Delaware with Robert Rowland in Wilmington.
Can you give me any contact to either previous owner please?
Thank you- 'richard.stancomb@gmail.com'
The Rolls Royce Silver Cloud 1 (6 in line) never had one SU carburetter, always two SU carbutetters. Only the Bentley Continental had more power due to his different cylinder head.
The Bentley is much better looking.
Tommy, Rolls-Royce Ltd used the GM Hydramatic, making it available on the Silver Dawn/Silver Wraith/Phantom IV/Bentley R Type in 1952. It was standardised on Silver Cloud/Bentley S series, continuing into the Shadow era, although left hand drive Shadows used the GM Turbo Hydramatic 400 from the beginning. GM torque converter automatic transmissions were used until the very end of the SZ series in 2000. Additionally, the car is a Bentley S - not an S1 - and it has two SU carburettors, not one.
It is precisely this type of misinformation permeating the RROC that made me cancel my membership twenty years ago. I joined in 1970.
In Europe there where only the S1 or Cloud 1 ( six inline) with two SU carburetors. I have never seen a IOE version with one carburetor in a S1 or Cloud 1. According to RR it does not even exist as a car engine in the S1 or Cloud 1. I am a collector for 35 years. 1 in S1 means by the way Model S Mark 1. Later came the MK2 V8 1959 till 1962 and MK3 V8 1962 till 1965. A one carburetor engine (B61 series) in that time was only produced for military vehicles with less power output and more torque at low revs.
This is a Bentley S, not a S 1.
no the car is an s1 bentley.
@@womersleydanny1178 If the factory called it an S1, then that's what it would be, but, they didn't, so it isn't. I'm in the RROC and FoF, I've owned a '79 SS2. Every third Saturday I go to Mechanicsburg, PA to the club. We have all the tech books, cars in the showroom, left and right drivers. For the life of me I can't figure out why some people do that. The are an S, S2-3, or RR Silver Cloud, Cloud 2 0r 3. Silver Shadow, or SS2.
@@gordonvincent731 Here in the UK, when I was very young, I was fortunate enough to know someone who had worked in the Crewe factory in the 1950s and 1960s ... he referred to an 'S1' as an "S Type" and a 'Silver Cloud 1' as a "Silver Cloud" . To call an 'S1' an "S Type" is very logical as it follows on from the convention of calling the long-booted (trunked for USA readers)) version of a Mk VI Bentley an "R Type" ... so in the factory it was usual to call them "R Type" and "S Type". The numbers '2' and '3' only became added when updated versions of the Type became available so what you are saying is absolutely correct. I'm a UK member of our RREC and currently have a 1982 Silver Spirit which is extremely similar apart from body-shape to a Shadow II . Previously I've had a 1990 Silver Spirit II ... also a 1971 Silver Shadow.
@@nickeldridge9454 Thanks for your kind reply. I had a 1979 Silver Shadow 2 SRK 37872, Ivory with dark brown leather. I sold it to Cooper Classic Cars in NYC and he shipped it back to England. Who knows, you might run across it there, lol!
@@gordonvincent731 Thanks for responding Gordon ... I forgot to say that in England we still use 'Type" to describe the Bentley version of a Silver Shadow and we will call it a "T Type Bentley" ... not a 'T1' ... for the T2 we use "T2" like the rest of the world.
I'll keep my eyes open for your old Ivory coloured Shadow II ... I'm sure it's still around over here somewhere.
Back in the 1970s I worked at Sargeants of Goudhurst who were a very well-known Independent Specialist company for RR and Bentley cars here in South-East England ... we particularly specialised in the old 'Derby Bentleys' built at the Derby factory in the 1930s. We had a NYC customer back then who used to send his Rolls-Royces across the Atlantic to us for restorations !! ... then we would send them back again which must have cost the customer a fortune !! I think maybe there weren't so many specialist RR companies in the NYC area in those days.
This guy is completely lost! Both the RR and Bentleys from 1955-1966 had dual SU carbs.
This guy stated that the RR model only had one carb. 100% false. 😕