Development of the Model 1911 Pistol
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Here I present the developmental history of the 1911.
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This is likely the best piece of info on the evolution of John Moses Browning's 1911 pistol design available anywhere online. Props, Ian.
Agree, even 6 years later!
@@wayneg.2342 not anymore! C&Rsenal
He happens to have SOME of the 1911 forerunners.
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"Moses" Wikipedia needs updateing, they have John Browning updated there. ⚡⚡
The early models look like drawings I did when I was a kid trying to draw guns
Lmaooo!!! Fuck, you're spot on.
Guarantee I have a perfect rendition of it somewhere in one of my old grade-school notebooks.
I swear, the early 2010-2011 drawings I did when I was 13-14 years old might actually have been based off of exactly these guns!
Lol I thought the same
I think you spoke for literally all of us!
That’s bc the 1911 is literally “ the gun “ just think about it, every person would think of a pistol as this.
"The slide could potentially come straight back and... well, into your face."
I wonder who the firsr poor bastard was that figured that out...
The Beretta 92F has the same problem after 2000 rounds! Slide just flys off the rail into some poor sap's face. Another reason why the developed the 92FS. ;)
I wonder how likely that was to happen also. It passed stress testing with flying colours, but that lil slide stopper looks far too flimsy for how important it is.
Also, how serious a danger would it be? How much force would the slide have flying off the gun??!
Obviously proportionate to the energy of the projectile, but when that translates onto the movement of the much heavier slide, plus any friction and small parts collisions, I just wonder how dangerous it would be. Probably not lethal (?), but probably more than just a broken nose. Brow-fracture? Concussion? Skull-cracking knock-out blow? Brain damage? I wanna know!
@@asspills It's still a considerable hunk of metal flying into your face. You're looking at at least a broken nose and missing teeth.
@@georgeschaffino8147 Well to be fair 2000 are a lot for a side-arm
But still it shouldn't happen
"Colt wanted to maintain their commercial market"
shame they don't think that way anymore
And that's why those shitheads are going bankrupt, /again/
They made their bed, now they can lie in it. Any American gun company who thinks they can survive on nothing but government contracts deserves the rude awakening they get. The American civilian gun market is absolutely massive.
Ekim Temen It’s significantly larger than the military contracts even. American civilians own hundreds of millions of firearms, and they don’t want to sell to us? Disgusting. We were the ones to make colt popular. Now they want to fuck us.
@@lisamontgomery6018 no one Alive today made Colt popular so don't say we made then popular but I agree
@@accountname9872 i think he meant "the civilian consumers" in which group he resides
@@accountname9872 It was an obvious generalization, don't be an smartass for internet points.
I met a US Cavalryman who served as a tractor driver in Iraq in 1991. He was issued an M1911 (original. Not A1.) And an M3 Grease Gun.
If it aint broke... =)
that would be so cool
@@theadventurest4345 Not really. He was very upset about it. The 1911 rattled when he shook it and the grease gun was nowhere near the range of Iraqi AKs. He was lucky he never came under direct fire, seeing as he was used for mine clearing and was thus ahead of the main army.
@@huntclanhunt9697 I just meant to have the guns not how they would function
@@puppysect If that was the logic, we'd still use spears.
Man, those 1902 firearms were so beautiful it isn't even funny.
Peter the Nightwalker true it does look pretty cool
My Grandpa owns one of the 1902. I don't know which one it is tho.
Theyre pieces of art tbh
can we just appreciate that noise 26:50
Hell
BallentineLP yes
I went back and listened to it a few times
Simply compare to the cock of the 1900. Way more satisfying.
Benjamin The Hunter Anyone?
One thing I learned from this is I have a 1911 A1 after comparing mine to what you displayed.
I like the flat mainspring housing better then the arched, but to each his own.
And lo, Gun Jesus came down from on high to tell man and woman about the divine handgun, and it was good.
Ha ha yess
Ah, yes, remember it well. That was back in '24, after the A1 mods. Used to have some beers with Gun Jesus at the Bethany Bar n Grill.
Yeah... Kind of like that.
Samuel colt 10.22
Not practical that's what u speaketh of is blasphemy
Still never understood how he could do these videos, in an auction house, and come home with ANY money left to his name lol
Ethan G;--- A. I INAGAINE; the auction house pay's him WELL!--(I SURE WOULD---SMART people want to KNOW what their bidding on & likely buying;--numbers drives up PRICES & house-cut)
B. He is LIKELY wise enough to Know:
you can't Own ALL the toys in the store!!!!!!!!
Sometimes when you want it all, the best thing to do is go home with none of it so you don't start that landslide.
@@packardexelence what?
@@boxed_in4357 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION!! I JUST EXPLANED HOW ONE COULD DO THESE VIDEOS & NOT BUY EVERYTHNG!!!!!!
This is probably one of the most prevalent still in use firearms from the early 20th century. the only others i can think of being the 1919 machine gun also designed by J.M. Browning. that guy was a genius. he even invented the pistol slide. The lee enfield is up there too. The mauser action is still used in a lot of bolt guns as well.
As I watched your video, I for the first time realize that the rear sight on my 1911 which my father who served in the Navy in WWII has an A1 rear sight. I was told many years ago that my 1911 with serial # 417305 was probably manufactured in 1918. I never got the story on how my father go this gun or that he even had a gun until after his death when I was 15 years old. I'm 60 now and this gun is my prize possession as far as guns go. My late mother made him get it out of the house when we were kids. After getting my first gun an Ithaca model 37 12 gauge pump when I was 16. My Mother told me a close family friend had it and I didn't know what it was, my imagination as a 16 year old thought Navy Revolver or some Japanese pistol. When my father best friend told me it was a Colt 1911 my jaw dropped. I asked how much will it cost to get my fathers gun back and he said I did not buy it and if your Mothers okay with it it's yours. He never expected any of my Dads sons to ask about it. Sorry for the long story the only other thing is that my older Brother was pissed that I got the gun...I let him hold it as I was stationed in Germany for 3 years in the 80s with the US Army Field Artillery. I actually had a M1911A1 as my issued firearm at Fort Stewart in the late 80s.
That was a great story! Never knew my dad had guns until after he passed. First gun I saw or touched was his Remington 500 I found in the closet. Sister says our other sister has dad's handgun. Been meaning to ask her what the hell that thing is!
(Just got my first Colt .45 today. Been wanting one for 30 years.)
My gosh that pockethammer is beautiful
Nuh uh I win bye bye
I'm an illustrator, and I'm drawing a series of pistols for a friend's husband as a Christmas gift. Right now I'm drawing a 1911A1, so this video is perfect "music" as I'm drawing. Well done, Rock Island Auction. This is an incredibly informative and articulate video, and I thank you for it.
How did the illustrations come out? Also, Rock Island Auction is the Auction House this was filmed at, Ian works with several other auction companies as well.
Nobody can like anymore
I apologize
If that 1911 could talk, imagine the stories it would tell...
Mhymyk "You just shot a woman!"
1911" NO! IT SHOT A NAZI!
Mhymyk Most of the stories would probably be variants of "bang".
(At shooting rang)
1911: Miss ,miss ,miss ,miss ,miss
User: **throws gun**
1911: .....Miss
Mhymyk j
Mhymyk fan f
John Browning was such a genious! Think of all the awesome guns we wouldn't have today without him... Thank you so much Mr. Browning! 😀👍
"Fairly catastrophic"
you mean not making the 357 mag cartridge as big as a 9 mm with the same bullet plus power instead of 45?;)
littlearsehole75 read that as he said it lmao
Table of Contents: Development of the Model 1911 Pistol - Forgotten Weapons
2:00 Colt Automatic Pistol (Model 1900 Sight Safety)
5:48 Model 1902 Sporting (this example converted from a 1900 Sight Safety)
8:06 Model 1902 Sporting (new production as such)
9:25 Disassembly and Functioning (covers all models from the 1900 to the 1908)
12:54 Model 1902 Military
16:01 Model 1903 Pocket Hammer (so named to distinguish it from the 1903 Pocket Hammerless)
18:25 Model 1905
20:47 Savage 1907 in .45 ACP
23:26 Model 1907
23:26 Model 1909
23:26 Model 1910
25:49 Model 1911
27:24 Model 1911A1
28:59 Model 1924 Transitional (not a formal designation)
I really wish they had kept that sexy long slide. I know Freud, I have a complex.
It's not the size of your barrel but the energy at the muzzle.
+Josh Callejas Infinity Firearms makes custom 1911's for race use, if I remember correctly they can make you a 1911 variant with a 6 inch slide
+6236003 See, Britney? 4.5 inches is good enough! The internet agrees with me!
+Josh Callejas BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, man.
Come on. "Longslide" (6") 1911 variants are a dime a dozen.
Very technically and historically informative. And except for the 1911 and 1911A1, the closest I will ever come to any of these Colt/Brownings. It's not a big deal today for a manufacturer, SIG, Ruger, S&W to come out with a "new"1911A1, but it astounds me to think of John Browning doing it. With nothing to build off of and no pattern to follow, the ideas that he came up with were inspired genius. All that with mostly just hand tools, files, hammers, dividers and drills! Thanks John, you may be gone but you will never be forgotten. Everyone who has ever owned a gun in the last 120 years or so has held a part of your vision and genius in some form or way.
60 years ago, I was reading every firearms magazine to try and get a handle on these, along with the WHB Smith tome. This is put together really well. Thank you. Narragansett Bay
I like that you mentioned the cadaver tests by Thompson. I just finished "The Gun" and Chivers spent some time on those tests. We've come a long way in ballistic science since shooting suspended cadavers and seeing how far they swing :p
Good read,huh?
the 1900 sight safety model = pure sexyness, and in. 38 acp too 👍👍👍
The sound of racking the slide 😍😍😍
dumbest safety mechanism i've ever seen lol
***** ... It's technically 'worse than I designed' too, so what's your point?
BabySkinCondom how is it dumb?
@@beaudaniel1370 Constantly moving your rear sight can't be good from accuracy and I could possibly see how the hammer might be able to wear down on it. Aside from that it's not bad and I think it's a very neat design for it's time.
I fell in love with the .45 back in boot camp ('80), nothing says "you're doomed" more than that sound of chambering a round.
Factoid: I remember watching a "How it's Made" episode on how cordless drills were made and they specified that the grips of every cordless on the market is based on the 1911A1.
Good God... there aren't many inanimate objects that physically arouse me, but early Colt automatic pistols are definitely one of them.
Get a room...
@@gutierrezgerdardo4044 God no! you'll give him a opportunity
They have them barrels for a reason!
Still the sexiest gun design ever made.
@@ChuckBeefOG one of them yes I prefer the feel of a Mauser C96 or a Walter P38 never held a Luger but I guarantee I'd love it
After watching C&Rsenals videos on the early Colt revolvers, I can't help but draw a connection between the barrel locking wedge that held them together, and the slide wedge that holds these early autos together. Just funny how that element reappears at the beginning of both repeating firearm revolutions.
i think the savage .45 looks great, kinda looks like a gun flash gordon would use!
I looked at it and thought "looks like it belonged to Jet Morgan"
I was just thinking that the Savage would be great as a movie prop.
"I was used by one of America's greatest soldiers to stop a top secret Soviet nuclear project codenamed the Shagohod."
@@zerkj4303 That was my first thought. Would fit well in some "alternative timeline" movie or series.
Did I miss seeing this one?? Anyone got a time stamp?
Best looking hand gun of all time!
James alan well the smaller Glock 30 out performed that best looking handgun in every way. When your life depends in a moment, LOOKS OF A GUN DON'T MEAN SHIT.
James alan I don't know. The US Army .44 cap and ball reminds me of a poisonous snake for some reason and looks particularly deadly. I know a .45 ACP does more damage but as my day camp riflery instructor, Leon, used to say every day: "A .22 will kill you very dead".
Fuck your glock, and its performance. Also, I live on a planet where inferior accuracy and a shitty trigger are objectively measurable instances of inferior performance. Not to mention kabooms, cracked frames, cracked slides, and the lousy grip angle. Basically the _only_ category Glocks excel in is reliability, which means they're _still_ inferior to all the other, equally-reliable polymer-framed striker-fired handguns out there.
The Glock is too new to be classic, but old enough that it's just as obsolete as a 1911. The design is stuck in the 70s, because Glock has no interest in product improvement. Heck, 1911s have seen more improvement in the interval.
Jacob Fortin 10mm is the one that everyone should love
No One Important that the perfect time then the link ok ok ok ok love Pecans to ge kind
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Ian, thanks very much for doing these. Many of us folks are historical
minded, love gizmo's and have only seen stuff like this as drawings or
fuzzy black and white pic's in old books. Very VERY cool !
I just wanted to thank you for the hours of cool and interesting content on your channel, thanks Ian!
26:50 _Ahhh, that sound..._
Ian's channel makes learning fun again. I can't get enough of it, every time I see a new video I legitimately get excited to learn something new
What a great video on the 1911. I didn't realize that it was such a long process in the development of the 1911. I'm glad the military insisted on the grip safety. That was one of the best innovations for all guns.
"I don't enjoy killing, but when done righteously, it's just a chore, like any other." Joshua Graham
Isn't that the bandaged dude from Fallout New Vegas?
@@angeleaterstudios1004 Yes, he's a Mormon who carries a 1911. Which is probably a tribute to the fact that John Moses Browning was also a Mormon.
Id follow him to do "God's work" anyday.
@@blackhawks81H he carries multiple 1911's. Also my memory might be hazy but I think he implies he's a relative of John Browning.
@@sorrenblitz805 Nah, he just said Browning came from the same “tribe” as he did, referencing Browning’s Mormonism.
Great presentation on the M1911. Always love knowing the history of the pistol that I want to own. Thank you!
This is a great video. It was really neat to see the transitions here. Thank you
Browning was an absolute genius when it came to firearm design. Over 100 year old design and still sells like crazy
The Savage 1907 "Buck Rogers Ray-Gun"
Here here my brotha would you also like to hear the story of the great dmitry vodkavsky
Bog Czar Krol levowski yes, i would
One of my favorite pistols for its history and the first gun I ever fired. Thank you for making this video it really captures what went into the 1911 as we know it.
Watching this for oh probably the third time but had to say thank you.
Rock on, and keep making these vids. They bring the background and history to life!
Kudos Ian!! The most expansive history of the 1911 that I have seen-lol
Another great history lesson. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the 1911.
Fantastic video, Ian! The 1911 is one of my favorite handgun designs.
The best. A wonderful view of the Colt 1911. Clear pictures and descriptions of each.
Bless you ian and crew for hours and years of pure enjoyment...honestly thank you. I cant afford many guns much like ian in the beginning stage so thanx for helping me scratch the itch love you guys
Awesome video. I believe this is one of my favorite on Forgotten Weapons, but I do have a soft spot for the 1911.
Best designed hand gun in history. A 1911 just feels right in your hand when you hold it.
Well, if you have more than 110 years to perfect something and still don't get it right, the entire concept must be pretty bad
João Pedro dude what if people just can’t perfect something already perfected
@@mrfootfxtish9430 It is hard to make something better when it's already the best.
Fantastic video, Ian. I still rewatch this at least once yearly, it's essential viewing for any 1911 enthusiast.
Thanks Ian for all your great videos!
Very informative. Thank You.
My favourite pistol of all time!
Now, that was very interesting and informative. I appreciate this kind of approach to a topic; rich in information, to-the-point and non-exaggerating or bragging, no derogative tone - this is how information should be given.
Not being a typical "gun-guy" myself, I really enjoyed every minute of this video, so thanks a lot for uploading this !
A 45 collectors dream....if only....! You did a good job with the back ground. I don't think anyone else has laid it out with all the different models like this. Enjoyed it!
Bravo job well done. The 1911 is, was, and always will be the best side arm a man can carry.
17:17 Watch out, Ian! A sniper!
I actually like a lot the design of the Pocket Hammerless, it looks very neat. It's incredible how long they went on with production without a safety, though :S
The Savage looks like the illegitimate child of a TT33 and a Ruger MK II :P
Great historical review of a classic gun. Much appreciated. 1911 was my carry gun in USMC for many years.
Such a professional layout for this channel. With a slight humor here and there. Bravo!
that was an extremely interesting video!
"cadaver testing" .. they shot dead bodies lol
Andrew Pelkey Pelkey sometimes military tests shot dead horses, too.
Well you gotta know what is going to happen.
The same tests also tried live cattle.
BITD car safety engineers dropped bodies down lift shafts to see what would happen, I'd want good pay to clean that mess up!
_lol_
This is a really well done, well detailed look at the history of this iconic firearm. I didn't even look at the length of the video, and by the time it was over I saw a half hour went by. Very entertaining, thanks for this.
I am so impressed with how much info Ian can store in his head...!Great job Ian...! ....I love to learn the history of anything that I own or owned....great video...!
Hm I cant help it, everytime someone mentions pistols the first picture that comes to my mind is a 1911...
a 1908 browning in 9mm browning, as adopted by sweden, would be sweet. john jay
Nice video man. I could wait for the next one every time. Even though you didn’t have all of the models, you did a great job of explaining.
Probably my favorite video of yours so far
That sight safety is goofy as hell.
Yeah I could see flicking it to safe at the worst possible moment (like from the draw/holster)
Excellent video, I was wondering how much input did Browning have at the various stages of the evolution? Was it a case of a Colt Design team working on his original design? I assume he actively worked on the concept in that he developed the tilting barrel for the 1910?
Matthew Moss Yes, he was personally involved in the development all the way to the 1910 patent that became the M1911. Incidentally, FN was considering making their own pistol based on the 1910 patent called the "Grand Browning" (a handful of prototypes had been made, some in .45 and some in a proprietary 9.65mm round), but those plans died when the Germans overran their factory.
Great vid Ian. Slowly becoming one of my favourite firearms presenters on UA-cam. You and Hicock 45 put some awesome material up.
Really cool video, and awesome that you've gotten your hands on such history! Good job
The fact that it went from incredibly ugly to one of the most sexy guns ever just makes the gun even better.
There is no finer design than the 1911/1911A1.
1991A1
TexasDog3 plenty are better lmao, double stack mags exist now
It's all based on what you need the pistol for, for instance if you need a pistol with more stopping power, you go with the 1911, but this is at the expense of magazine capacity. On the other hand, you have the browning high power, a double stack magazine fed pistol that uses a less powerful 9mm. But don't worry, I'm also somewhat of a 1911 fanboy, I just know that there are other pistols for diffrent jobs.
epic gamer there’s double stack 10mms, have greater capacity than a 1911, and can also kill a bear.
@@BrainEatPenguin like the Delta Elite
Awesome as always Ian!!!
Great video. Thanks for showin us all those great and interesting pistols. The 1911 is one of my favorites.
When I taught my son to shot handguns a few years back, he kept going back to the 1911 despite all the newer choices on the table. When I asked him which handgun he wanted for his first? Same answer. If Glock is "perfection", then the 1911 is in a class of it's own.
Yeah, a remedial class. Lol
1911s are fun target guns. They are not that great in terms of carry guns. there are far better options these days for that. I carry a cz82 for summertime since its pretty small. and a 92fs or a five seven for my winter carry. The 1911 is an old design and should be treated as such. it was amazing back then and its still a fun gun. it isnt that great for protection. 7 rounds is very limiting. unless your in a 10 round ban state. most full sizes hold 15+. my cz is much smaller than a 1911 and holds 12 rounds of 9x18. Its also far cheaper to get that then a quality 1911
Love my 1911's , had 5 Tupperware guns, never again. Was at a range, clown beside me would not shut up about his glock. He was shooting some cheap ammo, the glock choked on 4 or 5 rounds. I picked them up, loaded them, trusty ole 1911 rocked on never noticing them, finally he got very quiet
@@thecoolnerdplaysvr5674 So 8 rounds of .45 isn't good enough but 12 rounds of 9x18 (essentially .380 in terms of ballistics) is?
?????????
@@jellyfrosh9102 yes. 45 for surpressed is good. But a 1911 isnt a good carry gun.
I love the 1911 I think it is still the best most comfortable, hand gun with a quick and crisp trigger there is a reason many of our solders wanted to keep using the 1911, in its final stage it is the most well balanced gun I know with comfort, trigger, caliber, reliability, which increases even more by making an international ramp to prevent the rare Incurance of the slide catching the little depress. a mod done most commonly on race 1911's and is one of the most common hand guns used in race gun competition because of the easily manageable single action trigger.
haters are gana have a fit with those words.
+That guy for 2a defend the constitution 1911 is the best hand gun americans ever developed
That guy for 2a defend the constitution same if I could edit it..... more rounds that's it
XxeliteshotXX123 buy a 2011 then
Thanks Ian for your effort in this vid, that was bloody interesting.
Just keep it up mate.
Superb, superb, superb. Top assessing as always Ian
if you could do a video about the FN1910/22
this pistol was used by both allied countries and the germans during ww2
i think it's defintly worth one of your video's
Great video. You've out done yourself.
Finally, a full and comprehensive comparison of pre-1911 Colt automatic pistols, thanks again, sir, excellent job!!!👍👍
Learned SO much new info. Thank you for doing this vid, please keep doing what you do.
I own a dozen 1911’s from a WW2 colt to everything up to STI 2011’s, Sigs, Les Baer ect. I love this platform and I’ve owned about every popular handgun made. John Browning was 100 years ahead of his time. The modern handguns Glock ect. are junk. In my opinion the only new platform out there that holds a candle to a 1911 would be a FN 57.
So did John Browning solved and re-think the functions, and problems all the 1900 to 1911, not A1 had? Or was it Colt MFG that time?
Thanks for a great video!! I loved seeing the differences and the history behind the 1911.
Fascinating stuff man. I appreciate the research you did on this and loved seeing how the famous 1911 we know today got its shape.
This guy has forgot more than I would ever know.
DAMN YOU ARE ONE SMART DUDE....
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDS...
YEAH!!!....THANK YOU IAN!!!!!!!!!...............
CAPS LOCK IS AWESOME!!!!!!...............
jamie geen WHAT IS A CAPS LOCK? I WRITE BIG LETTERS WITH SHIFT.
THAT'S SO FREAKING AWESOME THAT YOU YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH SHIFT.
BTW!!...A CAPS LOCK IS THE BUTTON WITH CAPS LOCK WRITTEN ON IT "AND IT'S AWESOME" I HOPE IT HELPS.........
MAN, THAT IS SO BLOODY GENIUS. I CAN NOW WRITE MORE COMFORTABLY.
YES I KNOW!!...I JUST RECENTLY FOUND IT OUT MYSELF AND IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!.. DOESN'T IT?!..
Excellent overview of the development of the 1911 pistol. Thank you for making it.
watched this several times, one of the best vids you've done. a short course !
1903 - Back when Colt actually cared about commercial sales.
Imagine, the Army couldve gotten the savage ray gun instead of the 1911 and we would've really had nazi zombies IRL
That was a beautiful presentation. Thank you
I really, really appreciate this video. Thank you! This is in my top 5 all time.
Ah my favorite pistol. It's crazy to think how long it has served the us from ww2 soldiers to some police forces who still use it today. It's truly a classic.
Seems like gloves would be appropriate for handling those weapons??
Fantastic history lesson! Thank you, from across the pond!
Very, very, very cool! Thank you for making this video! Awesome job, just like the rest of your other videos on this channel. Thank you
There’s a strange allure about first generation auto pistols that modern weapons just don’t have, mostly because they didn’t give af about cutting costs
'Forgotten Weapons'
'Colt 1911'
Wrong.
Not sure what your point is.
I have not forgotten the 1911s...
You are a dire imbecile. Obviously we recognize the 1911 you fool, it was the weapons that led to its development that were technically forgotten. Moron.
jeez bro... chill...
He spent the first 4/5ths of the video talking about gun models that were NOT the 1911, you moron.
Learning about firearms gives me a certain satisfaction that no other entertainment or informational channel on youtube can give me. Thank you for your awesome videos sir!
I enjoyed every second of this! Thank you!