Viessmann Vitodens 050 Boiler Installation 2022 Model. 050-w - Heatable
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Boiler Installation - Viessmann Vitodens 050-w Boiler Installation.
Step by step boiler installation.
Thank you Heatable who supplied this Viessmann 050-w combi boiler and the full heat pack
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Hi Allen, great video mate as always... been a great help over the years, really appreciate your time to genuinely help others.. quick question for you can the boiler be directly wired into a fused spur from the fly lead ? many thanks again Lee.
yes
Great video Allen, very informative and they are getting better every time, love the full installs, be good to see a further detailed full wiring up from start to finish, and little more seeing the chemical flush thanks again mate 🙏
I will do a few separate videos on them, buddy. Thanks.
Big shout out to team Allen Hart. Oh yeah not forgetting his awesome wife Joanne. Yeah let's thank her for giving him free reign to make these fantastic videos. High respects for you Allen 🙏
Thank You
Loving the video Allen, glad the boiler got to you okay! It's a fantastic piece of kit and is very popular amongst our customers. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much for all your support.
Great video Alan.I have just had a 100 w combi fitted in my house.My friend who is gas safe fitted it for me.I am an electrician and regularly wire lots of different boilers.My friend was reluctant to fit it as he is a Worcester man and was worried about the programming but I used the app and was very easy.
Hi Andrew, What control are you using? Is it the new model. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 Yes the new model.I have not decided on the control yet so just using the exisitng room stat.I have the vicare app on my phone which gives some good information on the boiler status and if there is a problem.I have been looking at the usual ones like hive, nest, tado etc but also at the vicare thermostat which will then control the boiler thorugh the vicare app.
@@andrewkeep3142 Hi Andrew what are your thoughts on the new viessmann 100 W ?was it chosen by yourself? as your friend is obviously a Worcester Bosch man, Have you made any notes of the gas consumption as the one I fitted recently has managed to drop the gas consumption down to only 26p an hour! Customer was astonished saying he’s only using 50% of the normal gas he uses
I have the new version of the 100-W 35 kW combi fitted since May 2021 , it is located in a loft and replaced a 15 year old WB 35 CDI , which had performed well but was reaching its end of life and did not have good turn down (8kW), the old WB operated using Evohome TPI control . I have the new Viessman operating on Honeywell Evohome opentherm with 10 zones . I selected the Viesssmann replacement because of the turn down to 3.2 kW and Stainless Steel heat exchanger, my alternatives I seriously considered were the Atag Economiser 35 , and Ideal Vogue but the turndowns could not match the Viessmann which makes best use of the Evohome opentherm (keeping it in lowest condensing temperature range) . I did look at Intergas and WB 8000 , but condensate will attack aluminium , which is why I wanted Stainless Steel. I eliminated the Veissman 200 despite its best in class turn down to 1.9 kW, but it is not capable of operating opentherm (I find that strange logic from Viessmann, best turn down with no opentherm functionality, WTF) . I use the Evohome app for heat settings in each room . I find the Vicare app useful to occasionally check the boiler is on and to occasionally check the system pressure (no more need to visit the loft), I have very slow pressure drop in the radiator/pipe system of 0.5 bar over 6 months (gas engineers may know if this is typical ?), it will be a simple pressure top up at boiler every 6 months which is not an issue for me . I watched my boiler installer commission the boiler , it was very quickly done and appeared simply executed , despite this being the first of the new (2021) version of 100-W he had installed . I have a spirovent deaearator and TFI compact filter on the system before the Viessman . I did get the installer to add sentinel x-100 inhibitor , but he informed me it was not needed by Viessmann . Although I am very happy with the performance of the boiler thus far there are some negative points to note : a) There is no longer a mini expansion vessel internally the feed water supply of the boiler (same as all other boilers now I believe ). b) I dislike that there is no longer a clear analogue pressure dial on face of boiler (there is a hard to read one underneath) .
@@andrewkeep3142 if you want something cheaper but controlled over the Internet the shelly 1 can turn boilers on and off and you can program times etc and use existing room stat or you can use a temperature add on (i use this on a cylinder stat live digital temperature and temperature control although i still use a mechanical thermostat as a cut off as it needs internet connection)
Its a cheaper way of connecting your boiler to the Internet.
Alan a great video it’s fantastic to see the knowledge and skills of your trade, lots of tips and you show every detail. Keep these coming well done and thank you 👍
Thank You
An absolute genius of a man. 👍
You are very kind. Thank you.
Very informative Allen good to see you doing a bit of soldering 😉
I did do a bit of soldering 😂 Press fit is very expensive for 28mm fittings and I have quite a few that I need. Thanks.
Brilliant install as always Allen.
Thank You
Hello Allen. This is very informative. I'll try the last part when I go home. Have you uploaded the in detail video you were talking about? Can't find it.
Top job again allen like you said always check for flue support on new builds builders metal banding is not OK
I have seen loads missing on new builds. Thanks.
Another superb video, thank you for taking the time to share :)
Taken me days to do this video tbh, I will try and add more details as and when people ask questions. Thanks.
Nice one Allen , it would be good to know your thoughts on this new 050 w model......it certainly looks a very compact unit...... 👍
Good question. I will do a video on this soon. Also, look inside. Thanks.
Thanks for the video, bit confused with the flue installation, I know it's because of rain but I wish it could be in detail, just want to know what did you do with the internal combustion tube, was it a full length or you joined like outer white, sorry for the silly question. Also I wish I could know the black flue cover on the roof.
i will do a separate detailed video for you. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 thank you very much.
Great Install Allen
Allen, Could you please confirm that this boiler comes with the weather comp sensor included in the box ? 👍
No they don,t
@@AllenHart999 Allen watch your vid back as you did state the new boiler comes complete with a weather comp sensor in the box 😂
Very interesting as always! Am I right in thinking if you have this on weather comp then there is no need for an internal stat? (just an interested lay person).
Fitted my first viessmann 050 30kw this week and found it a really nice looking boiler and easy to install. I'll be fitting the Vicare thermostat tomorrow. Fingers crossed its easy to set up.
How did you find the ViCare thermostat?
@@tomadams94 Had abit of an issue pairing it to the boiler. But once I knew how to factory reset the Vicare stat it worked fine. Easy to set up and work. Plus Viessmann have access to it and can get all the information from the boiler.
hey. Quick question. How was you gas consumption after the install? I just had mine installed a few days ago... and it almost doubled. it`s taking now almost 13m3 of gas a day, and I`m at work most of the day. 26 m3 with 19 hours of burner time.
@@piesciuccezar6834 it was for a customer so I'm not sure. I'd get your boiler checked and see if there's a way to change the flow temperatures on the heating and possibly hot water turn down as well. Range rate the boiler to your needs as if its set in max it will cost more to run. Also I've had issues with smart thermostats in general where they turn on when the customer doesn't want it on etc
@@lewisneal7367 i turned the heating temp down to 60 via the ViCare app. Also changed the settings on the Nest thermostat...I think the learning feature of the thermostat made it run throughout the night...
Good looking, good value boiler, my only complaint with my 050-W is how long it takes to deliver hot water - frustrating when you're on a meter. Good to see you using open therm, wish multi-zone opern-therm was better supported by more manufacturers.
You can do multi zones with the EPH controls, I will try and do a video at some point. Thanks.
Allen, great video. I want to install a Weissmann boiler but want to ask you a question about Weather Compensation on this boiler. With this installed, do you still have a room thermostat? If not, where does the boiler get its target room temperature from. Mine will be fitted in my loft. Also, in weather compensation mode does the boiler run all the time. Many thanks
hello mate, i love your videos, great infos you share woth us, i have one quiestion for you! in 5 days it must to decide what combi boilet to buy and install, i live in a apartment, last floor, no roof , only hidro protection, 2 rooms, 47 sqare meters, one bathroom, 4 radiators, external insulation 10cm, 3cm insulation on ceiling...19kw viesmann or 20kw vaillant or 24 vaillant boiler...thank you !
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Nice work.... I'm your opinion, which combi boiler do you think is best Vessmen 050 or the Ideal Vogue Max
Hi Allen great video. Just a question as to why the air gap on condensate would be classified as at risk if the condensate trap itself should provide the seal for any flue gases. Is it because there is a risk of flue gas coming into the building via that air gap?
Good question, On some of the older boilers the trap in the boiler wasn’t good enough, Flue gases could go down the condensate. Thanks.
Air gap separation is definitely required if a condensate terminates into a rainwater drain. Or when any form of backflow of water could possibly occur. It's usually to prevent the combustion chamber backing up with rainwater or foul water.
My taking on it was that and to prevent a vacuum taking the water out of the S or condesate trap. Which could again potentially breach part of the flue system. As the condense water is considered part of it.
@@rayc1503 makes perfect sense. Thanks
@@rayc1503 Very true, I have been out to 2 boilers connected to rainwater where a leaf blocked downpipe had flooded the boiler destroying PCB, gas valve, fans and then leaked out of the casing, one bringing the kitchen ceiling down below, and the other filling the whole of an unoccupied bungalow with about 2 inches of water. Then another job where the boiler was the lowest connection to a 4" soil stack and the drains were blocked, all the sh#t had been forced backwards thu the fan and filled the boiler (mind , the burner had filtered out the solids!). I just put the case back on that one and walked away! The joys of being a manufacturers service engineer.
I notice that combi boilers are installed with copper piping there. Not sure if that is the norm where you are located.
In Turkey installers use PVC pipes and fittings because these make installation a breeze. Cheaper too.
Would PVC piping create issues down the road compared to copper piping?
Hi Allen. Thanks for your videos. Advice please, if you have a moment. Between you and Heatable Ive decided on the Viessmann 050-w BOKA 30kw £990 for a small three bed semi with one bath with shower. But Ive just found the earlier version 050-w 29kw BPJC for £911 and the 35kw for £1152 These earlier models are 97% efficient (vs 92%) modulation 1:4 (vs 1:8) and the 35kw version suggests 14l/m output (vs 12 for the other two). Million dollar question...which should I go for? And what am I missing, why are the newer models not as good as the old ones? Many thanks
Fantastic video Alan 👍
Thank You
Love your channel Allen, in your opinion what is the best brand of combi boiler in terms of value for money and reliability?
Cheers 🍻
Depends on your requirements really, Ideal logic, Vogue, Viessmann 100, seen good. A lot of it depends on who looks after them. Thanks.
Good video Alan 👍 how come you decided to solder this job? Only ever seen you press
Cost really. Press was going to be very expensive. Thanks.
Have they replaced the rubber hoses with copper? If not stay clear. Ive had the misfortune to fit some of these and the secondary heat exchangers block. Even if the heating water if clear and nothing shows on the filter and it passes water quality checks. Never fitted a boiler that blocks so easy.
Copper inside them now.
is this a good boiler?
Hi Allen, bit of a punt given how old this video is now but do you have any idea what fault code 65 is on these models? I've consulted the book and it skips from 64 to 67! No idea what 65 is referring to.
Great
I installed today o50
Regards
Faruk
What did you think to it? Highs and lows? Thanks.
Nice job . Do they do an open therm stat ?
who
where do you make the connections for the water hose
Very nice video, please show us the internal components and comment a little bit on the quality of them.
Definitely in the plans. Video was getting too long. Thanks.
Had the 050w 25kW installed on 30/12/21...
Since then on 17/01/22 stopped working...had to repressurise...
On 09/02/22 again stopped working...showing CL on display (can't for the life of me find anything on the internet about CL...
Any insight on what CL is?...
With the 1 week pre install and the engineer visit on 15/02/22 that's nearly 2 full weeks without heating and hot water...great mid winter fun 🥶🥶🥶 ...
Thanks Alan, How did you get the bottom slate to stay in? And can you use the washing machine trap on its own for the condensate , im worried about the rubber washers?
Is this you new house?
I will be doing a full video on the vertical flue and how it’s stuck down, also cutting the tiles, just need some spare tiles first. I like the idea of the washing machine trap as it stops anything backing up into the boiler. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 Im thinking the rubber rings in the compression fittings will be eaten by the condensate? Or will it not? I don’t mind when the traps used by the machine
Hi Allen very informative videos. I've learnt a lot 😊
Do you prefer the Viessmann 050 to the Baxi 600? I was thinking of having the Baxi or Main Eco fitted?
It’s hard to say really, I keep changing my mind, at the moment I like the logic but that has its issues lol
@@AllenHart999 Haha there's no perfect boiler is there. I do like the Viessmann I'm torn between it and the Baxi
Hi, can you make a video on how to connect the boiler to wifi and vicare app?
Just had one fitted Alan , it seems to make a right racket starting up in the morning or when we use hit tap , sounds like an airplane taking off , is this normal ?
no
A good look inside and review would be nice... is there option for 240v switch live controls or opentherm and low voltage only ??
will do.
Hi does the pilot light flicker
Any reason why you soldered the pipes instead of pressing as you normally do?
Thank you for the question. I have a load of fittings needed, Some of them 28mm and they cost a fortune in pressfit. Also some of this will be coming back out. Thanks.
Great video, keep up the good work
Thank You.
Hi. Can you tell me please: how does pressure release work on this boiler and setup? I don't see a pressure release pipe to the outside?
It,s built in.
I have a 100 w combi and i am wondering how the diverter valve functions. When the boiler power is off is the diverter valve always in the DHW position (allowing the boiler water to pass through the steel plate heat exchanger) and only when a call for heat comes on does the diverter valve switch heating circuit i.e. is the default position of the diverter valve always for DHW.
I cannot remember, tbh. Sorry.
We have just had one installed. All of the docs and sticker on top say 050-W 25 kw, but we were told it would be the new 30kw version.
When we go on Veissmann website and enter serial number it says the boiler is 30kw version.
The water flow isn’t as good as our old Worcester 28i and i’d have expected improved flow rate, so I’m thinking it may be only 25kw version.
How do I confirm 100% that is in fact the 30kw version?
Thanks
I have exactly the same question, for Type it says B0AK-25 which I took as indicating the 25kw version however the outputs seem to be for the 30kw version e.g. Pn (80/60) is 2.9 - 22.5 KW, the Qnw is 3.0 - 31.5 KW. This is really confusing so if someone can shed some light on this that would be great.
@@topps100 The seller/installer (Hugboilers) and Viessmann have assured me it is the new 30kw version. It seems strange to call it BOAK-25 on the top and it's also called a BOAK-25 on the front of the documents.
I've asked Hugboilers to confirm how I can physically confirm it's a 30kw version but had no reply. There must be differences in parts.
@@michaeljones3694 Going to ask the same question to Heatable tomorrow. The rated heat output on the boiler label is that of the 30KW version but this is very confusing. Can only think that the -25 relates to the heating output and the boiler is rated at 30kw in terms of the hot water output, I could be wrong. Sure that there’s guys here who know exactly what they are talking about and can put us right.
Is it a noisy boiler?
Answering my own question as I have got this installed recently in my house. The boiler can be noisy at high boiler modulation ratios and high pump speeds. Fortunately it can be tweaked to your house needs. Maximum heat output (modulation) can be reduced to reflect your house needs and pump speed can also be reduced if there no need for high flow.
In my 3 bed semidetached property, I run max 55% modulation and 65% pump speed for heating. It’s then quiet enough so don’t even notice that it’s running.
In hot water regime it always run at maximum capacities.
What do you do if Water is coming out the bottom of the 050 boiler?
Call a Plumber or Gas Engineer to come and check it out. Thanks.
Do you use the the EPH on that boiler or OE viessmann controls ?
I actually use the Salus Smart Home on my system. Thanks.
@allenhart999 can you please advise if this one is better than Baxi800 25W !!
Interesting question. This one definitely has a better heat exchanger.
Hope that weather slate is supported 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
What do you mean?
@@AllenHart999I mean the weather slate needs supporting under the tiles, I didn’t see any in the video.
@@rstcab The tiles are under the weather slate,
@@AllenHart999 going round in circles here 😂
The weather slate sitting on top of the tiles is good mate, could do with dressing down with the profile of the tile to stop wind from lifting it but it’s water tight, I’m talking about the bit when you slide it under the tiles. It needs supporting with lath so it will be level with the tile as it can drop down because it’s a flexible material and let water in. I’ve seen them leak many times
no clamp on the boiler end flue??
That's how it is on these boilers.
Nice video ❤❤۔ Thanks and regards۔
Thank You
Did i miss you doing soakaway?
The filming was taking too long, i have ended up doing a separate video. Thanks.
Done,
Hello I'm a Korean
Thank You
eco warriors= the world is dying, go carbon neutral, we all going to die.
Alan Hart= i got got 10 boilers in my garage alone, av it:P
Solar PV hopefully going on next week as well lol.
Just a view Allen , 3bed 120 yo semi 875ft 2 days dec 21 88kw used gas . Latest rate 4p kw = £3.52p or £1.76p a day
Versus a air heat pump max eff 3kw output to 1kw input at 21p kw latest rate !!!!!? = 30x21= £6 or £3 a day .
Says it all does it not .
A BIG CON .
You make a good point. It’s hard to see how the numbers could stack up. Thanks.
Viessmann. is a good quality boilers the wieshaupt also .
Thank You