@ 8:55 Using hoses instead of pipes for viessmann boilers apart from the only real benefit + probably a slight reduction in water noise in the installation: water goes through the hoses more easily there are other "Benefits": the hoses collect dirt from the installation + that's how you realize the installation you need to be cleaned. Connecting the hose to the back of the heat exchanger is another great idea from viessmann - it helps to keep you in shape ... + tests your patience
Good informative video Allen. I don't install viessmanns or really service them so I haven't seen the insides of many, it's really simple how the prv and condensate are joined within the boiler. Makes me wonder why other manufacturers don't do it. I think alpha are the only other manufacturer I can think of that do.
sometimes the boiler gives me such a headache to diagnose the malfunction, that I want to dismember it like you did in the video... piece by piece... eheheh. Merry Christmas!
Great video thanks. I have the same boiler and it's heating the rads when I have hot water going so I think my diverter is stuck I feel a lot better about taking it out and cleaning it now.
Has big issue with one very similar. One of the 4 pipe ones ( although the installer had blanked off the dhw primary pipes). Started with high limit fault. Changed the stat. Poor circulation. Called Viessmann. Advised by them to change the pump. Changed the pump head. Just as bad. Called Viessmann. Advised to check heat exchanger. Took it out flushed it, and the hoses , then all the hydraulic unit. Something looked wrong on the back of the pump casing. Asked if the disc was meant be at an angle ( not flat against the impeller). Put on hold, then I’m told that they’ve had problems with the block, and I’d need a new block.(£400 if we supplied it ). Client didn’t want the installer to come back as we were their service company and they didn’t want to open an account with the local Viessmann service agent. Very poor back up in my opinion. I’m sure the job had a massive loss on labour. Not my first choice of boilers.
great breakdown of the boilers components, i got one installed in my house this past year. Recently the boiler locked up and gave me a F4 code, the boiler wouldnt fire up at all. the installer adjusted the exhaust flue so that it was on an incline and that fixed it it seems what could cause this to happen? The boiler wouldn't fire up before the exhaust flue was adjusted from horizontal to an incline, When it was installed the air intake and exhaust pipe were installed parrellel to each other with no incline and vented out the house, does that this make sense? Thanks great video!
Excellent video Allen if I remember right you dismantled this boiler sometime ago? It was the one with the red wax seal still on the gas pipe ? these are a great boiler to work on very easy to dismantle and bring back to life it’s just a shame people don’t service them properly you see so many where they haven’t even bothered pumping up the expansion vessel, after a good service and clean out they always run like brand-new again even if seven or eight years old I have just done a year nine service on mine and it still hasn’t got crunchy hoses yet! Up-to-date I have never had to buy any plastic grundfos components for these, The composite plastic on them is really brilliant not even prone to leaking
Thanks Alan seen a few videos and unfortunately had a bad plumber around who wanted to rip me off 800 pounds for change of heat exchanger for hot water and 450 pounds to flush a system with 8 radiators 4 of which I had taken off for decorating and was surprised how clean the water was also magnetic filter didn’t have much dirt in although the boiler is over heating so I think boiler is blocked but I will flush with mains water after seeing your easy to understand videos and I think boiler will work again
The rubber hoses allow oxygen to be absorbed through them and therefore can promote iron oxide build up, but I had a little conversation with heat geek and he says the positive charge from the hydrogen particles in the water react with rubber and that is why they block up.
Yeah I was just kidding, it was just funny how you were just tossing all the components in the boiler 😂😂😂, never the less brilliant video P. S. I am glad you have some humour
Hi Alan another great down to earth educational video so question Maybe you could assist me with this question. I have been watching you dismantling several boilers and am trying to determine the following. Description of 'system type condensing boilers' , returning water from the system (radiators) enters into the 'Secondary heat exchanger' picking up 'residual heat' from the the 'flue gases' . Where exactly does the secondary heat exchange take place, I can only see the return water entering the main heat exchanger. Regards Dave Porter
Secondary heat exchanger or recuperators sat between the fan and the flue exhaust outlet. They were joined via pipes internally to the main heat exchanger. Newer versions have a similar setup but rather than the primary water flowing through the secondary heat exchanger on the flue outlet, it is the mains cold water that takes the flue heat and then passes through the plate heat exchanger where the heat is topped up to produce hot water
Great video . I here viessmaan now don’t recommend the use of inhibitors has they may rot the rubber hoses, When we had one fitted some 4 years ago , they were saying it’s essential to have the inhibiter in the system for the 10 year guarantee to be valid, now the goal post haven’t been moved they taken them away. Do you use the inhibitors or not . What areYou’re thoughts Allen .
Hi Allen, Great videos!. I have the hot water issue ( hot / Cold ) . I replaced the heat exchange plate, I cleaned the 2 rubber hoses, I removed "kilos" of muck but it still going hot / cold. Heating side works perfectly fine. The pressure going up and down ( between 1.2 and 1.8 ) when hot water is on, temp goes up , stops, then down, starts again... What else I could check?
Also, have you really got to take the fan and gas valve out to get to the condense trap?? That can’t be right but I can’t see any other way of getting to it. 🤷♂️
Can anyone explain how the fan is 'proven' on the newer boilers without air pressure switches? I'm assuming that modern fans send a signal to the p.c.b. once they are running which can then carry on the sequence of operation. Any specific explanation would be much appreciated. Thanks.
hi allen how can i contact you? really need your help. rad wont heat up. been trying different things for 5 weeks but no luck. heres what ive done so far: 1. released air 2. removed air lock. 3. changed both valves. 4. used sentinelx400 and 800. 5. flushed system many times. once i took magna filter off, connected a hose and drained each rad individually but when i got to that rad pressure was rising but nothing coming out of return so i opened up another rad and water shot out! i suspect theres a blocage somewhere but pipes all all under floorboards! what can i do. is this something you would do? many thanks
And actually, although I probably shouldn't admit to it, I've lived in 2 flats since 1997 and never serviced the boiler in either property. Over almost 25 years it's a decent saving! You have my permission to wag your finger dissaprovingly at me Allen 😁
It's quite frustrating when a customer or builder drains the system to put in or move Rads. On refilling the system most won't bother flushing or reinstating inhibitor. If the system is filled with standard mains water. It really does need inhibitor. The water standards in Germany only allow for deminerlised water to be put through their systems. The importance of good system water quality contributes to the longevity if the boiler.
много узлов и деталей в гидравлике неудачных способствующих засорам в процессе эксплуатации ввиду непродуманной компоновке и неправильных гидравлических расчетов...есть котлы очень удачные в этом плане.не понимаю зачем изобретать велосипед?на удешевление конструкции тут тоже не похоже?какой-то бред....
Thanks for all your videos Allen, I find them extremely easy to understand and have leart alot from watching, pls keep up the good content! 👍🏼
Hi Max. Thank you very much.
Your very good at explaining to detail, you should be a teacher for boilers ,thank you, I learned alot
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Allen, thanks for all your videos
A greeting from Spain
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@ 8:55 Using hoses instead of pipes for viessmann boilers apart from the only real benefit + probably a slight reduction in water noise in the installation: water goes through the hoses more easily there are other "Benefits": the hoses collect dirt from the installation + that's how you realize the installation you need to be cleaned.
Connecting the hose to the back of the heat exchanger is another great idea from viessmann - it helps to keep you in shape ... + tests your patience
Other countries such as America has always had copper pipes.
Good informative video Allen. I don't install viessmanns or really service them so I haven't seen the insides of many, it's really simple how the prv and condensate are joined within the boiler. Makes me wonder why other manufacturers don't do it. I think alpha are the only other manufacturer I can think of that do.
Hi Craig. First of all let me thank you for all your continued support as a member. I actually have a new Alpha here to install. Thanks.
sometimes the boiler gives me such a headache to diagnose the malfunction, that I want to dismember it like you did in the video... piece by piece... eheheh. Merry Christmas!
Great video thanks. I have the same boiler and it's heating the rads when I have hot water going so I think my diverter is stuck I feel a lot better about taking it out and cleaning it now.
I am sure you will phone a gas engineer or plumber; clearly, it wouldn't and isn't a DIY job. Thanks.
Has big issue with one very similar. One of the 4 pipe ones ( although the installer had blanked off the dhw primary pipes). Started with high limit fault. Changed the stat. Poor circulation. Called Viessmann. Advised by them to change the pump. Changed the pump head. Just as bad. Called Viessmann. Advised to check heat exchanger. Took it out flushed it, and the hoses , then all the hydraulic unit.
Something looked wrong on the back of the pump casing. Asked if the disc was meant be at an angle ( not flat against the impeller). Put on hold, then I’m told that they’ve had problems with the block, and I’d need a new block.(£400 if we supplied it ). Client didn’t want the installer to come back as we were their service company and they didn’t want to open an account with the local Viessmann service agent. Very poor back up in my opinion. I’m sure the job had a massive loss on labour. Not my first choice of boilers.
Thanks for sharing Al👍🏾
Thank You
great breakdown of the boilers components, i got one installed in my house this past year. Recently the boiler locked up and gave me a F4 code, the boiler wouldnt fire up at all. the installer adjusted the exhaust flue so that it was on an incline and that fixed it it seems what could cause this to happen? The boiler wouldn't fire up before the exhaust flue was adjusted from horizontal to an incline, When it was installed the air intake and exhaust pipe were installed parrellel to each other with no incline and vented out the house, does that this make sense? Thanks great video!
Excellent video Allen if I remember right you dismantled this boiler sometime ago? It was the one with the red wax seal still on the gas pipe ? these are a great boiler to work on very easy to dismantle and bring back to life it’s just a shame people don’t service them properly you see so many where they haven’t even bothered pumping up the expansion vessel, after a good service and clean out they always run like brand-new again even if seven or eight years old
I have just done a year nine service on mine and it still hasn’t got crunchy hoses yet! Up-to-date I have never had to buy any plastic grundfos components for these, The composite plastic on them is really brilliant not even prone to leaking
I cannot remember what videos i have done now to be honest, done so many lol. Thanks.
Thanks Alan seen a few videos and unfortunately had a bad plumber around who wanted to rip me off 800 pounds for change of heat exchanger for hot water and 450 pounds to flush a system with 8 radiators 4 of which I had taken off for decorating and was surprised how clean the water was also magnetic filter didn’t have much dirt in although the boiler is over heating so I think boiler is blocked but I will flush with mains water after seeing your easy to understand videos and I think boiler will work again
Thank you Allen, if you find one I want to see woster 24cdi strip down in the same way.
Great video, have you a video or information on changing the circuit board on that exact same model ?
Thanks in advance
Merry Christmas all my fellow plumbers especially those working through the holiday season. Have a good one.
So if you have to replace the diverter valve, then we need to replace the whole right hand block??
Brillant video Alan , thanks again .Have you got a video on Boiler Flow rates , how to size a Boiler with flow rate ? thanks again
Excellent video. Can you replace the rubber hoses with copper?
No, unfortunately not, The new boilers have been updated to copper though. Thanks.
You don’t need to change the rubber hoses to copper on a good clean system they don’t give any issues
mine is into year nine with original hoses
I hardly leave comments, but since you asked. Great video.
I appreciate that!
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The rubber hoses allow oxygen to be absorbed through them and therefore can promote iron oxide build up, but I had a little conversation with heat geek and he says the positive charge from the hydrogen particles in the water react with rubber and that is why they block up.
🤷♂️
He used to say the hoses were amazing and do not cause an issue.
Never been any doubt that the hoses cause oxygen ingress in my opinion though. Thanks.
Great video, can you do a video putting it all back together?
No idea how to do that lol. Thanks.
Yeah I was just kidding, it was just funny how you were just tossing all the components in the boiler 😂😂😂, never the less brilliant video
P. S. I am glad you have some humour
😂😂😂😂👍🙃
Great video , could you do a strip down of a back boiler?
Just to wish you good health and luck for Xmas An 2022 Allen
Must be real toasty with all them boilers lol 😁
Garage is freezing. I need to pipe a radiator in lol.
Hope you know how everything goes back together!! Or did you take the lot to the dump?? Excellent video.
no idea tbh lol.
Hi Alan another great down to earth educational video so question Maybe you could assist me with this question. I have been watching you dismantling several boilers and am trying to determine the following.
Description of 'system type condensing boilers' , returning water from the system (radiators) enters into the 'Secondary heat exchanger' picking up 'residual heat' from the the 'flue gases' .
Where exactly does the secondary heat exchange take place, I can only see the return water entering the main heat exchanger.
Regards Dave Porter
This video should cover everything you need in great detail. Thanks. ua-cam.com/video/_IgGK_twCA8/v-deo.html
Secondary heat exchanger or recuperators sat between the fan and the flue exhaust outlet. They were joined via pipes internally to the main heat exchanger. Newer versions have a similar setup but rather than the primary water flowing through the secondary heat exchanger on the flue outlet, it is the mains cold water that takes the flue heat and then passes through the plate heat exchanger where the heat is topped up to produce hot water
Great video . I here viessmaan now don’t recommend the use of inhibitors has they may rot the rubber hoses,
When we had one fitted some 4 years ago , they were saying it’s essential to have the inhibiter in the system for the 10 year guarantee to be valid, now the goal post haven’t been moved they taken them away. Do you use the inhibitors or not . What areYou’re thoughts Allen .
Hi Allen,
Great videos!. I have the hot water issue ( hot / Cold ) .
I replaced the heat exchange plate, I cleaned the 2 rubber hoses, I removed "kilos" of muck but it still going hot / cold. Heating side works perfectly fine. The pressure going up and down ( between 1.2 and 1.8 ) when hot water is on, temp goes up , stops, then down, starts again... What else I could check?
The fibre washers on gas valves are they specific gas rated fibre washers or can you just use any fibre washer that fits correctly?
I use the Viessmann one when needed but its definitely worth checking it. Thanks.
Also, have you really got to take the fan and gas valve out to get to the condense trap?? That can’t be right but I can’t see any other way of getting to it. 🤷♂️
I always strip Viessmanns down every time so not an issue. Thanks.
Another brill video Allen. You not invited Roy around to the new man cave yet?
He was booked in to come round but ended up having to work at Viva.
@@AllenHart999 👍 looking forward to that one.
Can anyone explain how the fan is 'proven' on the newer boilers without air pressure switches? I'm assuming that modern fans send a signal to the p.c.b. once they are running which can then carry on the sequence of operation. Any specific explanation would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Great video Allen , any chance you can do the same to a vokera unica
28he
I will if i come across one. Thanks.
A good video Allen.
Thank You
thanks for that
Thank you for watching and also taking the time to add a comment.
hi allen
how can i contact you? really need your help. rad wont heat up. been trying different things for 5 weeks but no luck. heres what ive done so far:
1. released air 2. removed air lock. 3. changed both valves. 4. used sentinelx400 and 800. 5. flushed system many times. once i took magna filter off, connected a hose and drained each rad individually but when i got to that rad pressure was rising but nothing coming out of return so i opened up another rad and water shot out! i suspect theres a blocage somewhere but pipes all all under floorboards!
what can i do. is this something you would do?
many thanks
Отличный ролик Тезка!
Thank You for your kind words.
Все четко! Ясно! Понятно! можно даже медведя научить!
Спасибо, что нашли время посмотреть.
Is that HEX cleaning blade suitable for use on Vaillants and Baxis with similar HEX?
Could you post a link to it please?
gaspart.co.uk/products/viessmann-cleaning-kit-7840112?variant=18758240731193
yes you can use it in most boilers
@@AllenHart999 thanks for the info Allen.
I've got that boiler! Had it ten years without so much as a service...! 😁
I'm a bad bad boy, I know. Just installed a Fernox TF1 Sigma though, so I'm making a tiny bit of effort to keep the system in good order...
And actually, although I probably shouldn't admit to it, I've lived in 2 flats since 1997 and never serviced the boiler in either property. Over almost 25 years it's a decent saving! You have my permission to wag your finger dissaprovingly at me Allen 😁
Magnetic filter on the return flow would catch all that rusty crud you found in those components 🧐
Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to catch them.
@@AllenHart999 my system is clean as a whistle, best addition to any system me thinks. Take it easy matey 👍
Same here mate my A.D. Magna clean seems to keep the system completely clear
It's quite frustrating when a customer or builder drains the system to put in or move Rads. On refilling the system most won't bother flushing or reinstating inhibitor. If the system is filled with standard mains water. It really does need inhibitor.
The water standards in Germany only allow for deminerlised water to be put through their systems. The importance of good system water quality contributes to the longevity if the boiler.
I went to Germany and asked them about the miff of demineralised water, They told me they use both methods, They also use inhibitors
That was me with the multi tool blade. I’m too cheap to buy a proper tool
😂😂😂😂👍
Very good tip.
ограничитель протока лучше выбросить и поставить внешний сразу...
где это находится
vitodens 100 and 050 have a REAL problem with rust/magnetite
old 050 had real issues with the plates as well.
😍😍😍
Thank You
Brill..
котел неплохой но немцы немного переиграли с его конструкцией....
Я согласен, что они неплохие газовые котлы, но им нужно много ухода. Спасибо
воздух отводчик изощряюсь снимая на месте
Air vent ? i do not understand what you mean. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 автоматический сбросной клапан воздуха который стоит на улитке насоса
много узлов и деталей в гидравлике неудачных способствующих засорам в процессе эксплуатации ввиду непродуманной компоновке и неправильных гидравлических расчетов...есть котлы очень удачные в этом плане.не понимаю зачем изобретать велосипед?на удешевление конструкции тут тоже не похоже?какой-то бред....
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