Oh and for the people out there that own the Aprilia go to the dealership and get your ECU updated it should be the update 106. It makes the bike feel much more responsive down low and gets rid of any weird engine stutter at around 4,000 RPM
Both bikes are exactly what I was looking for in downsizing from a 600+ lb Triumph Tiger. The electronics package was the decider for me. Reliability was not an issue to me as my last Aprilia was stellar after 20K+ miles (though it did have a Rotax engine..) . What will be a decider for many riders is the dealer network. I',m lucky enough to have 4-5 dealers within 100 miles. Most folks, not so much.... I've had my Tuareg for 3 months now and I absolutely LOVE it!
Well, it's a combo of the sparse dealer network, parts availability and trouble with electronics and/or engines, I think. I live in northern WI but have 2 dealers near Minneapolis so location is not a huge deal. Some states don't even have a dealer!! I bought a Beta last year, it's great, parts are sent from California and dealers are expanding, heck I now have one only 75 miles away. I'm getting too old for an RSV but wouldn't mind a Tuono or Tuareg someday.
I’m pulling the trigger on the Tuareg at the end of the month. I’m in central Oregon and thankfully a dealer just opened up in Portland about 3 hrs away. Thankfully I have a mechanic in town that specializes in European bikes so I’ll have a local lifeline. Closest triumph dealer to me is roughly the same distance but that didn’t stop me from buying my tiger explorer!
Last week I bought a Tenere 700. I'm coming from road bikes (Tracer 900GT, naked bikes etc) and the Tenere is unbelievably good at everything. Slow speed, offroad, onroad. It's so damn easy to ride, really incredible motorcycle engineering. The lack of tech is a huge plus for reliability. And the sound of that CP2 is🔥🔥
I have bought my 1 month ago...and i m in love with this yamaha t7!!! Almost all the bikes i had were gor roads...susuki gsxr6 ..yamaha r6...only off road was a hondaxr6 some years ago.... this T7 is so good on the roads and gives you so much liberty!! Keep safe!!
What a tour! Just beautiful, the bikes too... I've tested the Tuareg, so I can say it's an amazing bike. Durability - I hope it is, because it doesn't excuse the price otherwise.
@@davidnobular9220 I find 220~250kg about appropriate for ADV bikes...if it is for dual-purpose, I agree that it should be lighter. But having those weight gives a good stability in long range rides (with big fuel tank, oversized frames, and heavier trans for reliability). For adv bikes, weight really dont matter as long as its 250kg~ish...what matters more is reliability (in my opinion!!)
@@LooxJJ Ideally for me, I'd like to see a 750 twin that is relatively light, say 190-200kg dry, decent suspension, 24cm+ and a decent range. Oh, and before people say KTM.....I want it to specifically be Japanese, with minimal Nanny State electronics. As you say, reliability is important. A man can dream, a man can dream.....
Tuareg is great; i know it has plenty power even in lowe rpm.. i never stalled it once during my offroad miles similar to what you tried in this video. Its suspension is well balanced, fantastic on road and offroad.
Wont have to wait behind me either I hold it against Yamaha for holding back options on the 700 platform Its all their marketing ploys they do NOT want any CP2 models to have cool stuff like quick shifter and cruise control because it would screw up the psychology for upselling buyers to CP3 and higher end ...So even though it might not impact the adv line they still cant/wont give it to Tenere (same motor) while at same time claiming BS reasons it cant be had on MT07/Tracer 7/R7 They so badly want buyers to want that stuff enough they finally spring for MT09 or 10 or tracer 9gt etc ...all the models costing thousands more than CP2 powered low tier stuff Face it the Tenere is somewhat the crippled victim of being a pricepoint child deprived of premium suspension and optional cool features...I would have loved to hear the corporate infighting over that model (probably a main reason it took FOREVER to come out!)....marketing types do NOT love motorcycles (that is the engineers) they only want to sell as much whatever as possible for as much money as possible...they will fu*k anything up that gets in their way too you better believe it...those type folks tend to have pea brains and not much imagination
@@dougiequick1 Cool story you made up in your head. Alternate take:. The CP2 is so tractable and forgiving that it doesn't need TC, or other "cool features". It's an engine that puts out power that the rear tire can handle in a very predictable way. Some people don't really want a motorcycle that just works well though, they want do-dads and "cool features". If you want premium suspension, go buy it. The stock suspension works great for the majority of riders, for whom paying for "premium" parts would be a waste. If you can't understand that not everyone wants bling to show off in the Starbucks parking lot, then go buy something else and shut up.
@@phillipbatho3213 wow its like I said something about your wife and kids lol....they are just motorcycles dude ...btw even the reviewers gigged the T7 for lacking the electronics...ANYONE would appreciate cruise control and really there I see no reason not to OFFER things as extras...a cheaper base models for guys that hate technology or lack extra money and then option packages for everyone else...I just think Yamaha loses a ton of sales to other manufacturers like KTM who's 890 kicks butt on Tenere in most areas...but hey you love it so good on you
@@dougiequick1 ”I hold it against Yamaha for holding back options..." Followed by 200+ word diatribe. Followed by "they're just motorcycles dude ". 🙄 Sorry, I didn't know only you should voice your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
Great video, bought the aprila 2 weeks ago and loving it, it’s a slight engine stumble but I am told the ecu update corrects this. Looking forward to touring some more Javanese mountains
Enjoyed the comparison and the points of view between two riders with different skill levels. I went with the Tuareg 660 and really enjoy it. Having had to change tire tubes, having tubeless wheels is a blessing. They say luxuries soon become necessities and the cruise control is that for me. I've done the Washington BDR on a Yamaha WR250R but had to truck the bike to the start and finish. Both the T7 and the Tuareg allow you to ride away from your driveway for the few hours of highway to get to the trail. I'll be doing parts of the BDR again in September and enjoy the flexibility of the middle-weight adventure bike versus a lighter (which is great on the technical stuff) but uncomfortable dual-sport. I'd be tempted by the World Raid T7 but I doubt I'll ever see one at a dealer anytime soon. Keeping my fingers crossed that the Aprilia holds up as I was a real Yamaha fanboy, yet as an old guy, the Tuareg is a better package for me. If it leaves me stranded .....
@@gavinmiller1998 Not yet! Really enjoy the cruise control. But, I'm having a change of heart about the middle-weight versus the lighter bike. Perhaps, I'm just looking for justification to buy another bike, which is likely true.
@@MichaelShaw206 leaning more towards like a 390 adventure? My friends and I all took our street bikes (MT-07, FZ-09,CBR650f) and tore down some state park roads and trails and it was a blast, just trying to gauge the best bike to really go after it is, but not of the small bikes five you cruise control
Great video that shows the spectrum of riding abilities off road, more than a bike review. The best thing for new "off road" riders is to get a lightweight dual sport or dirt bike and learn to trust the bike at speed.. Going slow kills momentum and now you are into clutching, feathering the throttle, trying to balance and put your foot down, etc, etc. Give it some gas, let it roll, stay on the pegs, let the tires and suspension soak up the bumps and stop trying to fight the bike. Being on a small bike helps with this as you don't fear breaking things and less power and weight to control starting. Once you can speed through the woods on a dirt bike, you are ready for a road bike or ADV bike to do both. Times 10 if you are older than 40 as everything gets harder, I know. These videos always look amazing, but off road is work, less if you know how to ride it properly.
@hock4540 Great comment. At 62 yrs old, lifetime of bikes, but limited in dirt. Learned on a KLX300R, (awesome in the woods), DR650 (all the mods but still too heavy for trails) and now 350 EXCF (absolutely stupendous for tight trails.). The biggest improvement I've make in technique was when my son the off-road racer taught me how to modulate the clutch. It's not a car. Slipping it is normal... Stalling a bike is a clue that you need to practice this technique. That plus standing up most of the time. Ok, now I want to do BDR's, and the 350 is no highway machine. A 450 pound bike, prior to luggage is pretty heavy. I wish for the 375/400 pound machine. Why is this not possible? If a dirt bike is 250, there seems like pretty of budget to make an adventure bike with 125 extra pounds. Yes, I know the 690, but not sure about highway... Still no perfect bike!
Great, great video! I've been watching you guys for a long time, and this one was awesome! Well done! I especially loved the input from a non-expert rider in the dirt. Getting info. from a pro is not always beneficial for the "average" rider who will never reach the level of a pro. Thanks!
That was a great review. I like that you spoke english and I didn’t have to do metric conversions. Having two opinions from two people with different levels age groups is valuable. My biggest concern before watching was about the heat from the Tuareg and you covered that well. I live in cooler climate and am 66 years old, so the heat from the Tuareg will feel good on my feet. I grew up in Phoenix, Az and worked many hours on hot roofs in the middle of the summer, so I should feel at home on the Tuareg. Thanks for the great review. I didn’t hear any swearing, it sounded more like whining.
I had a deposit on a Tenere, and it was going to be a year before I could get one. Ended up pulling the deposit and picked up a Tuareg and I don't regret it one bit! The Tuareg has been awesome both on and off road. I very highly recommend the Tuareg and am glad I picked it up.
You guys always do a great real world yet in-depth review so thanks again. I know that the Norden 901 exists in the next category up but I would love to see a similar real world comparo between it and the “winner” of this comparo as these two bikes are on top of my short list. Cheers from down under! Dave
They did show the price for the blue Tuareg at $12599. That's $600 more than the standard red or yellow versions. I think they would have really raved about the Tuareg if they got a flat tire on each of the bikes. No mention of tubeless wheels on the Aprilia.
@@bamills6771 Hi. Did you use a kit for your tubeless conversion, or DIY (silicone, tape etc?) I’m interested in converting my spoked Rally Raid wheels. Thx for any info.
I rode both on a 3 hour, each motorcycle, test day. I ordered the Tuareg due to it's more "beginner friendly power delivery" and general ease of riding. Both were awesome and the Tenere would probably have won out if my own skills were up to the challenge.
"beginner friendly power delivery" = less power ... you get used to the power very quickly. There's also bigger front sprockets that can tame the Tenere and save quite a bit fuel at highway speed
@@shanechambers9529 the 660 has more torque. T7 has 50 ft lbs and the 660 has 52 ft lbs. The T7 builds it's torque lower in the RPM range, but the 660 is more powerful, by a very slim margin, overall in both horsepower and torque
I ride a Tenere and thought you all did an excellent and fair analysis of both bikes. THANKS!! If Apriullia can put more bikes in showrooms than Yamaha I believe they will sell extremely well:):)
What's funny is I called a Yamaha dealership that also happened to be an Aprilia dealership and I originally called about the t7 but they said someone literally just put a deposit down on it an hour before I called. The guy goes have you heard of the Aprilia Tuareg and I said no and that I would check it out. I kind of chuckled a little bit and said doesn't have cruise control and he said yes and I said I was very interested. Fast forward less than a week after that conversation and I was riding one home.
@@vice7881I’m guessing that you’ve never had the pleasure of trying to ride an adventure bike in sand when the traction control shits The bed and can’t be turned off. Pretty damn inconvenient when you’re motorcycle literally won’t move. Thank god for the Yamaha Tenere 7 and a tow rope.
Incredible scenery and content with an interesting decision at the end!!! "Get On ADV Fest" was ok, believe I enjoyed the 5,318.5 mile round-trip on my KTM 790 Adventure S from Naples, FL over 11 days a bit more than the actual event(2,253ish miles to the Buffalo Chip Gate in 2 Ironbutt Days). Though with the KTM leaking oil, I didn't want to ride off-road in such beautifully unspoiled areas... Maybe next year!
@@kevincrockett5155 from the main oil filter cap because WMR Performance in Stuart did not replace my O-rings with new ones after servicing my bike... After swinging by Apex in Colorado Springs on the way home and having them service the bike with new O-rings and oil, it did not leak a drop since then.
I had considered the toureg..as we all know aprillia is not know for reliability (the reason for lack of dealerships) 600 dollars more for the blue? Cost of ownership and longer service intervals is the main reason I went with the tenere and don't regret it.. and for those who prefer the toureg..it is a decent bike..just enjoy what ever bike you choose and keep em shiny side up!!
Aprilia has a serious contender in the Adventure market with the new Tuareg. It surely ticks a lot of boxes. My only concern is the long-term reliability, especially with all the electronics... it is going to be tough to beat the Yamaha's legendary reliability
I've averaged 60mpg over the last 3000 miles of mixed riding on my Tenere. Love my bike, Oh and after a 9 month wait on back order the only color the one bike that came in was Raven Black, So glad it wasn't purple.
I've heard a lot about where each bike carries it's weight. That the tenere seems top heavy and the tuareg feels like a much smaller bike because the center of gravity is low. How did you find it?
People eill be doubtful about italian reliability, but they kinda forgot the italian has given us some exceptional bike with pretty solid reliability as of late. Remember the Ducati Scrambler? Multistrada? Remember the MG V85TT? Yeah. I havent heard any complains about them at all. So i think most people here is just going off the old narrative
Not reliable and requiring a lot of maintenance are the same thing to a lot of ppl. I don't see why Guzzi or Aprilia should have issues. Desmos are not worth it if you put big miles on your bikes though.
@@anxiousappliance used to be 5-10k. I think Ducati is just extending the service interval without changing anything else. Kinda like minis with their 12k oil change intervals...
I really wish the Tuareg had more availability here in Australia. It looks almost like a unicorn bike for me, but they're around $23k here (for reference, I have seen a KTM 890 Adventure R for $24,5k), and rare as rocking horse poo.
Thank you for the very well done review. I'm going to buy an Adventure bike this or next summer and I'm just beginning my research on the several bikes out there. I wasn't surprised the Tuareg 660 won due to other reviews I've seen. I'm still not ready to make a decision but I'm getting closer as I continue with my research of all the Adventure bikes. Ducati just came out with the DesertX which has excellent review thus far but one of the big cons is the $20,000 price tag and the maintenance is expensive. Thanks again for the excellent reviews and outstanding views of your trip, it looked like a lot of fun.
I understand the riders can't really opine on the overall reliability and serviceability of the bikes on a short tour, but for anyone that plans to do serious backcountry riding, that should be one of, if not the highest criteria on anyone's list. I ride solo in fairly remote areas and want to reduce the risk of breaking down as much as possible. With that, I think most people would agree the T7 is probably going to outperform the Aprilia over the long haul. I also don't see the need to the electronic aids on a bike like this, with 75 or so HP. The T7 power delivery is smooth throughout the range, so I don't need traction control, etc. The T7 isn't perfect by any means, but it's a solid performer and will keep up with the vast majority of riders' skills.
great review guys. What's the name of the lake in Wyoming you camped at? I initially was hoping to buy a Tenere after riding a friends. However, no availability made me reconsider and I ended up with the Tuareg. I really love this bike. Heat is an issue but maybe in cool climes it will be nice? I'm hoping an exhaust change some day might take care of that. Now, I need to point her up from my base in Colorado to that lake in Wyoming. Cheers
I own both bikes currently. Taureg shines - in height (for me), suspension, giddyup / power, modes (if you're into that). T7 shines in - low end torque on the steep, slow, rocky stuff. toughness, I have beat the dogsh!t out of it and it takes all very well, Wind protection, Lack of electronics (i like that), no heat on my legs (taureg puts out too much heat), T7 is much narrower. Muffler bracket is a problem on both. The Taureg has a lot of shitty parts (kickstand bracket, shifter and brake pedals, lack of quality protection options, everything is exposed). In the end, with all the benefits of the Taureg, I still like the T7 better, I can't put my finger on why.
Can’t kick the rear end out on the Tuareg easily, false, as a Tuareg owner here in Arizona I have 5k miles so far put in the off-road mode, ATC-1 & its freaking blast!! Easily kick it out & work on stop pivot turns with confidence, I’ve had other ADV bikes but the Tuareg is much, much more confidence inspiring & handles so great, also took the crappy stock tires off for some Motoz Adventures & Dual Venture.
If there's a failing gasket issue it must be exceedingly rare - I've not heard of it and I'm across all the forums.. heatspot is the catalytic converter and that can be resolved easily
Great overall review, most people I’ve talked to they have owned the T7 were pretty unhappy with the suspension which seems to be the MO for Yamaha for a decade or so now.
Nice comparison of the top two contenders to be my next bike. The bikes have their pros and cons, but either looks to be a great choice. For me the decision comes down to weighing the lower cost and expected reliability and longevity of the Yamaha versus the electronics, cruise control, fuel range and tubeless tires of the Aprilia. Hopefully within the next year I will have to make the decision...
I'm picking up a Tenere on Monday. Looked hard at the Tuareg, but the lack of a dealer network, parts availability, and unknown reliability were enough to steer me toward the Tenere.
Good review, guys. I'm pushing my skills to the max when I have my Super Tenere off road and a middleweight would be much easier to manage. I wouldn't have gotten the 1200 at all, but Yamaha kept delaying the 700 Tenere and I found a great deal on mine with really low mileage. It's a phenomenal bike, except that I feel really overwhelmed when the terrain gets loose and slippery.
Great video, I really enjoyed it! Can't say I disagree with the winning choice, it makes even more sense to me considering the more prevalent asphalt roads in Western Europe and my personal off-road skill level. I'm also less bothered by concerns I've read about dealership issues, there's sufficient around. This might change as I grow in my riding and when I may decide to take longer and possibly more remote rides where "reliability" but more so nearby maintenance support becomes more important..
I m a 58yo ex mx rider,I have riden both of them,on road the touareg is a bit better(comfort) but offroad the tenere shines,it s just a big dirtbike. Just my opinion!
what do people think is goina break on the Aprilia? has anybody ever got stranded because of cruise control? or optional engine maps? its not like there's tons of other parts involved that the Yamaha doesnt have, am I wrong...?
If you get caught in the rain or slick roadways it helps and since the Tuareg makes 10 more HP and more torque than the T7 it will need those features at times. But I can see why it is not as important on the T7 cause it only makes 70bhp it might not need those features nearly as often.
Great review and footage! I would be happy with either bike BUT - would I want to be in the middle of outback Utah with a broken down Yamaha, or exotic Aprilia 🤔
@@hectorstewart7706 I was thinking Paul Bugden meant which is easier to fix in a remote breakdown situation. Being a foreigner (from Treasure Island) I may have misinterpreted though....
Middle weight bikes are where it’s at! Great horsepower, lighter weight vs big brothers, and less expense. Yamaha sells millions of motorcycles every year. Aprilia sells less than 50,000 motorcycles a year. To offer advanced products and fairly competitive pricing is amazing from small companies with higher overhead costs. Advanced electronics allow many more miles trouble free riding with early warnings of problem. You do not see too many newer type vehicles stuck on the side of the road. Plus service intervals are longer. Honda still wants every 4000 mile check up though. Many bikes need software updates not just oil changes
Both great bikes, and your comparison was very well done. As much as I like the Tenere, I’m not riding a purple cycle and when I saw it in person - it was a deal breaker. Maybe next year there will be better color options
I ride a T7 (from a GS1200). Im not surprised for two reasons: 1)I had to lower the bike a bit, mainly to compensate for high c.o.gravity and moved the handles closer. Combined with 20 000km, Im now perfectly at ease, but it was the first bike I ever had to change ergonomically. 2) Most people love tech. So do I, but I prefer it on my phone, so I can throw it away when it bug-erred. Tech on a bike is to introduce an unnesesary layer of complication and the most likely source of future trouble. Combined with Yamaha reliability and network, I will stick to the T7. But its great that there is competition in the market. I will trade my T7 for a T5....
I feel like we all know both of these bikes will tackle a 2k mile trip when they are brand new and both will preform just fine for the average rider. But we all know if this test was done 10 years later and after 50k miles the Aprilia probably wouldn’t even make it to the shootout. I think it’s a good bike if you live in Europe with better dealer support but if you’re in the USA and trusting an Italian machine to get you in and out of the back country with minimal dealer locations, parts and knowledge around, you get what you deserve when it leaves you stranded.
Oh and for the people out there that own the Aprilia go to the dealership and get your ECU updated it should be the update 106. It makes the bike feel much more responsive down low and gets rid of any weird engine stutter at around 4,000 RPM
Both bikes are exactly what I was looking for in downsizing from a 600+ lb Triumph Tiger. The electronics package was the decider for me. Reliability was not an issue to me as my last Aprilia was stellar after 20K+ miles (though it did have a Rotax engine..) . What will be a decider for many riders is the dealer network. I',m lucky enough to have 4-5 dealers within 100 miles. Most folks, not so much.... I've had my Tuareg for 3 months now and I absolutely LOVE it!
Well, it's a combo of the sparse dealer network, parts availability and trouble with electronics and/or engines, I think. I live in northern WI but have 2 dealers near Minneapolis so location is not a huge deal. Some states don't even have a dealer!! I bought a Beta last year, it's great, parts are sent from California and dealers are expanding, heck I now have one only 75 miles away. I'm getting too old for an RSV but wouldn't mind a Tuono or Tuareg someday.
I’m pulling the trigger on the Tuareg at the end of the month. I’m in central Oregon and thankfully a dealer just opened up in Portland about 3 hrs away. Thankfully I have a mechanic in town that specializes in European bikes so I’ll have a local lifeline.
Closest triumph dealer to me is roughly the same distance but that didn’t stop me from buying my tiger explorer!
You ever ride two up? Wondering how it handles with 2 people.
Last week I bought a Tenere 700. I'm coming from road bikes (Tracer 900GT, naked bikes etc) and the Tenere is unbelievably good at everything. Slow speed, offroad, onroad. It's so damn easy to ride, really incredible motorcycle engineering. The lack of tech is a huge plus for reliability. And the sound of that CP2 is🔥🔥
I have bought my 1 month ago...and i m in love with this yamaha t7!!! Almost all the bikes i had were gor roads...susuki gsxr6 ..yamaha r6...only off road was a hondaxr6 some years ago.... this T7 is so good on the roads and gives you so much liberty!! Keep safe!!
do not lie to yourself, tuareg is much better in every way
@@fleshpie2129🤣🤣
Glad I bought the Tuareg over the Tenere. Rode the WYBDR on the 660 and it did everything it needed too; even Section 4 solo!
Me too, Tuareg is amazing!
What a tour! Just beautiful, the bikes too... I've tested the Tuareg, so I can say it's an amazing bike. Durability - I hope it is, because it doesn't excuse the price otherwise.
Thanks for putting this together, gents! Either of these bikes would put a smile on my face. It’s the sweet spot for me in ADV.
Really hope Honda brings something worthy of this to the table when they reveal the Transalp
I'm pretty sure they won't.
Kawasaki is coming with 700cc adv soon.
@@LooxJJ If the 2022 KLR weighs around 220kg (depending on spec), then will this new bike weigh over 250kg, keeping the Land Whale tradition alive ?
@@davidnobular9220 I find 220~250kg about appropriate for ADV bikes...if it is for dual-purpose, I agree that it should be lighter. But having those weight gives a good stability in long range rides (with big fuel tank, oversized frames, and heavier trans for reliability). For adv bikes, weight really dont matter as long as its 250kg~ish...what matters more is reliability (in my opinion!!)
@@LooxJJ Ideally for me, I'd like to see a 750 twin that is relatively light, say 190-200kg dry, decent suspension, 24cm+ and a decent range.
Oh, and before people say KTM.....I want it to specifically be Japanese, with minimal Nanny State electronics. As you say, reliability is important.
A man can dream, a man can dream.....
Tuareg is great; i know it has plenty power even in lowe rpm.. i never stalled it once during my offroad miles similar to what you tried in this video. Its suspension is well balanced, fantastic on road and offroad.
Maybe this video will steer some people toward the Aprilia, that way the ones who want a Ténéré won't have to wait so long to get one!
Wont have to wait behind me either I hold it against Yamaha for holding back options on the 700 platform Its all their marketing ploys they do NOT want any CP2 models to have cool stuff like quick shifter and cruise control because it would screw up the psychology for upselling buyers to CP3 and higher end ...So even though it might not impact the adv line they still cant/wont give it to Tenere (same motor) while at same time claiming BS reasons it cant be had on MT07/Tracer 7/R7 They so badly want buyers to want that stuff enough they finally spring for MT09 or 10 or tracer 9gt etc ...all the models costing thousands more than CP2 powered low tier stuff Face it the Tenere is somewhat the crippled victim of being a pricepoint child deprived of premium suspension and optional cool features...I would have loved to hear the corporate infighting over that model (probably a main reason it took FOREVER to come out!)....marketing types do NOT love motorcycles (that is the engineers) they only want to sell as much whatever as possible for as much money as possible...they will fu*k anything up that gets in their way too you better believe it...those type folks tend to have pea brains and not much imagination
@@dougiequick1 Cool story you made up in your head. Alternate take:. The CP2 is so tractable and forgiving that it doesn't need TC, or other "cool features". It's an engine that puts out power that the rear tire can handle in a very predictable way. Some people don't really want a motorcycle that just works well though, they want do-dads and "cool features". If you want premium suspension, go buy it. The stock suspension works great for the majority of riders, for whom paying for "premium" parts would be a waste. If you can't understand that not everyone wants bling to show off in the Starbucks parking lot, then go buy something else and shut up.
@@phillipbatho3213 wow its like I said something about your wife and kids lol....they are just motorcycles dude ...btw even the reviewers gigged the T7 for lacking the electronics...ANYONE would appreciate cruise control and really there I see no reason not to OFFER things as extras...a cheaper base models for guys that hate technology or lack extra money and then option packages for everyone else...I just think Yamaha loses a ton of sales to other manufacturers like KTM who's 890 kicks butt on Tenere in most areas...but hey you love it so good on you
@@dougiequick1 ”I hold it against Yamaha for holding back options..." Followed by 200+ word diatribe.
Followed by "they're just motorcycles dude ". 🙄
Sorry, I didn't know only you should voice your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
The 660 is super legit
Great video, bought the aprila 2 weeks ago and loving it, it’s a slight engine stumble but I am told the ecu update corrects this. Looking forward to touring some more Javanese mountains
Got the Tuareg over Tenere. It was the tech, top heavy and the height that did it. Both great bikes!
There was no mention of durability, maintainability and parts / service availability. Aren’t those important things to consider?
Enjoyed the comparison and the points of view between two riders with different skill levels. I went with the Tuareg 660 and really enjoy it. Having had to change tire tubes, having tubeless wheels is a blessing. They say luxuries soon become necessities and the cruise control is that for me. I've done the Washington BDR on a Yamaha WR250R but had to truck the bike to the start and finish. Both the T7 and the Tuareg allow you to ride away from your driveway for the few hours of highway to get to the trail. I'll be doing parts of the BDR again in September and enjoy the flexibility of the middle-weight adventure bike versus a lighter (which is great on the technical stuff) but uncomfortable dual-sport. I'd be tempted by the World Raid T7 but I doubt I'll ever see one at a dealer anytime soon. Keeping my fingers crossed that the Aprilia holds up as I was a real Yamaha fanboy, yet as an old guy, the Tuareg is a better package for me. If it leaves me stranded .....
Well, has it left you stranded yet? As someone with an MT07 I’m hard pressed to upgrade to the “same bike” and I really want cruise control lol
@@gavinmiller1998 Not yet! Really enjoy the cruise control. But, I'm having a change of heart about the middle-weight versus the lighter bike. Perhaps, I'm just looking for justification to buy another bike, which is likely true.
@@MichaelShaw206 leaning more towards like a 390 adventure? My friends and I all took our street bikes (MT-07, FZ-09,CBR650f) and tore down some state park roads and trails and it was a blast, just trying to gauge the best bike to really go after it is, but not of the small bikes five you cruise control
Michael, 2 months on, any issues with the Aprilia?
@@andrewtreloar7389 None, but I have decided to sell it. Amazing bike, but I prefer my lighter CRF450L for offroad and about town.
This is the comparison review we've all needed.
Great video that shows the spectrum of riding abilities off road, more than a bike review. The best thing for new "off road" riders is to get a lightweight dual sport or dirt bike and learn to trust the bike at speed.. Going slow kills momentum and now you are into clutching, feathering the throttle, trying to balance and put your foot down, etc, etc. Give it some gas, let it roll, stay on the pegs, let the tires and suspension soak up the bumps and stop trying to fight the bike. Being on a small bike helps with this as you don't fear breaking things and less power and weight to control starting. Once you can speed through the woods on a dirt bike, you are ready for a road bike or ADV bike to do both. Times 10 if you are older than 40 as everything gets harder, I know. These videos always look amazing, but off road is work, less if you know how to ride it properly.
@hock4540 Great comment. At 62 yrs old, lifetime of bikes, but limited in dirt. Learned on a KLX300R, (awesome in the woods), DR650 (all the mods but still too heavy for trails) and now 350 EXCF (absolutely stupendous for tight trails.). The biggest improvement I've make in technique was when my son the off-road racer taught me how to modulate the clutch. It's not a car. Slipping it is normal... Stalling a bike is a clue that you need to practice this technique. That plus standing up most of the time. Ok, now I want to do BDR's, and the 350 is no highway machine. A 450 pound bike, prior to luggage is pretty heavy. I wish for the 375/400 pound machine. Why is this not possible? If a dirt bike is 250, there seems like pretty of budget to make an adventure bike with 125 extra pounds. Yes, I know the 690, but not sure about highway... Still no perfect bike!
Great, great video! I've been watching you guys for a long time, and this one was awesome! Well done! I especially loved the input from a non-expert rider in the dirt. Getting info. from a pro is not always beneficial for the "average" rider who will never reach the level of a pro. Thanks!
That was a great review. I like that you spoke english and I didn’t have to do metric conversions. Having two opinions from two people with different levels age groups is valuable. My biggest concern before watching was about the heat from the Tuareg and you covered that well. I live in cooler climate and am 66 years old, so the heat from the Tuareg will feel good on my feet. I grew up in Phoenix, Az and worked many hours on hot roofs in the middle of the summer, so I should feel at home on the Tuareg. Thanks for the great review. I didn’t hear any swearing, it sounded more like whining.
I had a deposit on a Tenere, and it was going to be a year before I could get one. Ended up pulling the deposit and picked up a Tuareg and I don't regret it one bit! The Tuareg has been awesome both on and off road. I very highly recommend the Tuareg and am glad I picked it up.
There will always be that nagging feeling though.
Sturgis ➡️ LA! Now that’s an off-road adventure!
You guys always do a great real world yet in-depth review so thanks again.
I know that the Norden 901 exists in the next category up but I would love to see a similar real world comparo between it and the “winner” of this comparo as these two bikes are on top of my short list. Cheers from down under! Dave
Duke 890 adventure is the best...
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Thanks for your opinion Sverra.
I really enjoyed the contrast in rider skills for the off road sections since I'm looking at transitioning to a lightweight adventure bike.
pssst check out the Honda Cb500x. Everybody forgets about it, and it's not for everyone, but it really is a mini africa twin.
@@domenik8339 it's definitely not a mini African Twin. It's a heavy street bike with limited ground clearance and minimal suspension travel.
@@bretthawton It weighs 30 lbs more than these two bikes you're researching. . . . well trying to research anyway.
Fantastic film. Thanks guys
They did show the price for the blue Tuareg at $12599. That's $600 more than the standard red or yellow versions. I think they would have really raved about the Tuareg if they got a flat tire on each of the bikes. No mention of tubeless wheels on the Aprilia.
Its $130 to convert the T7 wheels to Tubeless. I did it 10 months ago.. Zero Issues.
@@bamills6771 Hi. Did you use a kit for your tubeless conversion, or DIY (silicone, tape etc?) I’m interested in converting my spoked Rally Raid wheels. Thx for any info.
@@jonr3891 i went with the kit - off Ebay- from Japan. it only took 4 days to get. Its the same kit that woodies sold in the USA.
@@bamills6771 …is it the Outex kit? Thx
@@jonr3891 yes.. the trick is sanding the skoke nipples smooth so the inside of the rim is flat.
The reserve on the Tenere is 1.1 gallons. I was actually only a couple days behind you guys. Ended up getting chased by weather most of the route.
I rode both on a 3 hour, each motorcycle, test day. I ordered the Tuareg due to it's more "beginner friendly power delivery" and general ease of riding. Both were awesome and the Tenere would probably have won out if my own skills were up to the challenge.
"beginner friendly power delivery" = less power ... you get used to the power very quickly. There's also bigger front sprockets that can tame the Tenere and save quite a bit fuel at highway speed
@@kloppskalli but the tuareg has more power..
@@MarkiMotoYT and also less torque..
@@shanechambers9529 the 660 has more torque. T7 has 50 ft lbs and the 660 has 52 ft lbs. The T7 builds it's torque lower in the RPM range, but the 660 is more powerful, by a very slim margin, overall in both horsepower and torque
the clutch on Tuareg is sooooo smooth
you can partialize every single Nm of torque, beatiful
What an amazing trip and what an amazing country America is
I ride a Tenere and thought you all did an excellent and fair analysis of both bikes. THANKS!! If Apriullia can put more bikes in showrooms than Yamaha I believe they will sell extremely well:):)
What's funny is I called a Yamaha dealership that also happened to be an Aprilia dealership and I originally called about the t7 but they said someone literally just put a deposit down on it an hour before I called. The guy goes have you heard of the Aprilia Tuareg and I said no and that I would check it out. I kind of chuckled a little bit and said doesn't have cruise control and he said yes and I said I was very interested. Fast forward less than a week after that conversation and I was riding one home.
Yep, electronics are my first concern for adventure riding. I want as many options as possible for things to break down.
They've been out for long enough that there's very little need for concern.
even if electronics break down, the bike is still riding. so no issue at all.
@@vice7881I’m guessing that you’ve never had the pleasure of trying to ride an adventure bike in sand when the traction control shits The bed and can’t be turned off. Pretty damn inconvenient when you’re motorcycle literally won’t move. Thank god for the Yamaha Tenere 7 and a tow rope.
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Incredible scenery and content with an interesting decision at the end!!! "Get On ADV Fest" was ok, believe I enjoyed the 5,318.5 mile round-trip on my KTM 790 Adventure S from Naples, FL over 11 days a bit more than the actual event(2,253ish miles to the Buffalo Chip Gate in 2 Ironbutt Days). Though with the KTM leaking oil, I didn't want to ride off-road in such beautifully unspoiled areas... Maybe next year!
Leaking oil from where?
@@kevincrockett5155 from the main oil filter cap because WMR Performance in Stuart did not replace my O-rings with new ones after servicing my bike... After swinging by Apex in Colorado Springs on the way home and having them service the bike with new O-rings and oil, it did not leak a drop since then.
The o-rings I think are too thin, same on my KTM450, was leaking. I took the oring and replaced it with slightly bigger one, no more leaks.
Great video guys!
really well done video..good shots, good conversation, and good bikes!
Excellent review
Excellent comparison. Well done!
As a primarily street rider, and wanting to get into ADV, I appreciate the points of view.
Check out some of the off-road riding coaches out there on UA-cam if you haven't already. I personally like Bret Tkacs and Chris Birch.
Just do it !!! Adv is my 70's flashback !! Too good be safe and go explore now
Great review! Thanks guys.
Very cool Tour.
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Aprilia Tuareg 660 looks intriguing!
Excellent ride review. Kudos to the cameraman for riding along getting great shots and drone video!
Entertaining and well done review and ride👍
I had considered the toureg..as we all know aprillia is not know for reliability (the reason for lack of dealerships) 600 dollars more for the blue? Cost of ownership and longer service intervals is the main reason I went with the tenere and don't regret it.. and for those who prefer the toureg..it is a decent bike..just enjoy what ever bike you choose and keep em shiny side up!!
Much awaited comparison!
Important question: which bike will a person still be happy with 5 years down the road.....
Aprilia won’t be runnin
@@jft7174 😂
The Yam.
The Aprilia because it's not a technological dinosaur lol. 10 years down the road maybe the Yamaha but by then most would have a new bike.
That is definitely an important question. I still ride a bike that's now 38 years old.
Aprilia has a serious contender in the Adventure market with the new Tuareg. It surely ticks a lot of boxes. My only concern is the long-term reliability, especially with all the electronics... it is going to be tough to beat the Yamaha's legendary reliability
I've averaged 60mpg over the last 3000 miles of mixed riding on my Tenere. Love my bike, Oh and after a 9 month wait on back order the only color the one bike that came in was Raven Black, So glad it wasn't purple.
I've heard a lot about where each bike carries it's weight. That the tenere seems top heavy and the tuareg feels like a much smaller bike because the center of gravity is low. How did you find it?
Never had issues cornering the Tenere! Have so much fun in the twisties with it.......arms get sore on my GSXR1100......it is an 88 model though!
Aprilla is way way better
People eill be doubtful about italian reliability, but they kinda forgot the italian has given us some exceptional bike with pretty solid reliability as of late. Remember the Ducati Scrambler? Multistrada? Remember the MG V85TT? Yeah. I havent heard any complains about them at all. So i think most people here is just going off the old narrative
Not reliable and requiring a lot of maintenance are the same thing to a lot of ppl. I don't see why Guzzi or Aprilia should have issues. Desmos are not worth it if you put big miles on your bikes though.
@@ridenm7748 a check every 18 - 20,000 miles? Not so tough.
@@anxiousappliance used to be 5-10k. I think Ducati is just extending the service interval without changing anything else. Kinda like minis with their 12k oil change intervals...
@@ridenm7748 watercooled engines - more precise engineering.
@@anxiousappliancemaybe a lil... Would be a good idea to check them at 10k at least imo
I really wish the Tuareg had more availability here in Australia. It looks almost like a unicorn bike for me, but they're around $23k here (for reference, I have seen a KTM 890 Adventure R for $24,5k), and rare as rocking horse poo.
Rode a T7 for 11k miles - downsized to a CRF450RL because off road the T7 felt top heavy. Does the Tuareg have a similar top heavy feel?
Thinking about trading my Africa twin on the new Aprilia 660 Touareg enjoyed your content thank you for all the hard work put in
I did. Sold my AT and bought this today.
Great review guys..., Thanks
Thank you for the very well done review. I'm going to buy an Adventure bike this or next summer and I'm just beginning my research on the several bikes out there. I wasn't surprised the Tuareg 660 won due to other reviews I've seen. I'm still not ready to make a decision but I'm getting closer as I continue with my research of all the Adventure bikes. Ducati just came out with the DesertX which has excellent review thus far but one of the big cons is the $20,000 price tag and the maintenance is expensive. Thanks again for the excellent reviews and outstanding views of your trip, it looked like a lot of fun.
what if we compare Tenere World Raid with Tuareg ??
what suspension is greater then ????
The CP2 motor on the Tenere is a fantastic torque monster. You can climb a wall while idling in 1st gear.
Well, im not into tech and electronics and i like my things simple and agricultural so i guess il keep on loving my T7 👍
Well tech or not tech. Both bikes has an Ecu, and if that dies your screwed.. If Tc or Cc fails, the bike will still run.. Dont worry..
The slipper clutch is nice but you can't push start it..
I understand the riders can't really opine on the overall reliability and serviceability of the bikes on a short tour, but for anyone that plans to do serious backcountry riding, that should be one of, if not the highest criteria on anyone's list. I ride solo in fairly remote areas and want to reduce the risk of breaking down as much as possible. With that, I think most people would agree the T7 is probably going to outperform the Aprilia over the long haul. I also don't see the need to the electronic aids on a bike like this, with 75 or so HP. The T7 power delivery is smooth throughout the range, so I don't need traction control, etc. The T7 isn't perfect by any means, but it's a solid performer and will keep up with the vast majority of riders' skills.
great review guys. What's the name of the lake in Wyoming you camped at? I initially was hoping to buy a Tenere after riding a friends. However, no availability made me reconsider and I ended up with the Tuareg. I really love this bike. Heat is an issue but maybe in cool climes it will be nice? I'm hoping an exhaust change some day might take care of that. Now, I need to point her up from my base in Colorado to that lake in Wyoming. Cheers
Lake Alexander. That was actually in the Uinta Wasatch NF in Utah.
Brilliant trip really enjoyed :)
I own both bikes currently. Taureg shines - in height (for me), suspension, giddyup / power, modes (if you're into that). T7 shines in - low end torque on the steep, slow, rocky stuff. toughness, I have beat the dogsh!t out of it and it takes all very well, Wind protection, Lack of electronics (i like that), no heat on my legs (taureg puts out too much heat), T7 is much narrower. Muffler bracket is a problem on both. The Taureg has a lot of shitty parts (kickstand bracket, shifter and brake pedals, lack of quality protection options, everything is exposed). In the end, with all the benefits of the Taureg, I still like the T7 better, I can't put my finger on why.
Even with money not being an option, I gotta take the T7. Time is more important than $ and I don’t want to waste any of it broken down somewhere.
Can’t kick the rear end out on the Tuareg easily, false, as a Tuareg owner here in Arizona I have 5k miles so far put in the off-road mode, ATC-1 & its freaking blast!! Easily kick it out & work on stop pivot turns with confidence, I’ve had other ADV bikes but the Tuareg is much, much more confidence inspiring & handles so great, also took the crappy stock tires off for some Motoz Adventures & Dual Venture.
Nice countryside...curious to know what app you use to show the zoom in/out effect on the map locations....
Two awesome italian bikes...😉
Agree on the verdict, but the next iteration of the Tuareg must solve the heat hotspot, and the failing gasket issue. Then, I would buy one.
If there's a failing gasket issue it must be exceedingly rare - I've not heard of it and I'm across all the forums.. heatspot is the catalytic converter and that can be resolved easily
@@ozadv the gasket dosnt fail screws might not be tight enough by factory, i that rarely happens just torque the screws and wallah
And the mapping glitch.
Class video really enjoyed it
Great overall review, most people I’ve talked to they have owned the T7 were pretty unhappy with the suspension which seems to be the MO for Yamaha for a decade or so now.
These two may as well stayed home the Taureg is streets ahead of the T7 off road in every sense ,nothing more needs to be said
These both are more "sophisticated" and modern than the KLR650. I can defiantly see how many people with pick the T7 or this new Tuareg over the KLR..
Great trip! I think the Aprilia looks way better, too - the Yamaha looks a little underwhelming next to it.
The stupidly high tank on the Yamaha kills it's otherwise good looks. The WR edition solves that.
The stupidly high tank on the Yamaha kills its otherwise good looks. The WR edition solves that.
@@defylifeadventure yeah, but then its heavier than both the 890 and the Norden..
Nice comparison of the top two contenders to be my next bike. The bikes have their pros and cons, but either looks to be a great choice. For me the decision comes down to weighing the lower cost and expected reliability and longevity of the Yamaha versus the electronics, cruise control, fuel range and tubeless tires of the Aprilia.
Hopefully within the next year I will have to make the decision...
I'm picking up a Tenere on Monday. Looked hard at the Tuareg, but the lack of a dealer network, parts availability, and unknown reliability were enough to steer me toward the Tenere.
@@j.g.7864 Congrats, that would be exciting.! How was the sales experience, did you get a reasonable deal?
@@georgenewman5860 actually, I bought used, and got a great deal!
TUAREG is much better package, much lighter for offroad too, t7 is so top heavy it is painful
Good review, guys. I'm pushing my skills to the max when I have my Super Tenere off road and a middleweight would be much easier to manage. I wouldn't have gotten the 1200 at all, but Yamaha kept delaying the 700 Tenere and I found a great deal on mine with really low mileage. It's a phenomenal bike, except that I feel really overwhelmed when the terrain gets loose and slippery.
nearly 3k on my toureg. fricken awesome bike.
Hello,it was a venture mountain motorcycles extraordinary I liked .
Why didn't you pull the peg inserts the minute you got the bikes? I did with my Tiger 800 and I barely even go off road. I hate those things.
Well done !!!
Great video, I really enjoyed it!
Can't say I disagree with the winning choice, it makes even more sense to me considering the more prevalent asphalt roads in Western Europe and my personal off-road skill level.
I'm also less bothered by concerns I've read about dealership issues, there's sufficient around.
This might change as I grow in my riding and when I may decide to take longer and possibly more remote rides where "reliability" but more so nearby maintenance support becomes more important..
My concern for the Aprilia would be the availability of parts should it break down in the boonies.....
Great video, thanks.
I had both. Kept the Tuareg
You didn't mention the lower down fuel tank on the Aprillia. Is that because it wasn't noticeable once loaded with gear?
I m a 58yo ex mx rider,I have riden both of them,on road the touareg is a bit better(comfort) but offroad the tenere shines,it s just a big dirtbike.
Just my opinion!
what do people think is goina break on the Aprilia? has anybody ever got stranded because of cruise control? or optional engine maps? its not like there's tons of other parts involved that the Yamaha doesnt have, am I wrong...?
If Cc or tc stops working the bike will still run..
I’ve heard comments about the Tuareg putting off a Lot of heat. Since you guys went thru triple digits,what did you think?
The heat bothered Ryan more than me, but it was noticeable. I’ve ridden V-Twin cruisers that put out ore heat, though.
I really fail to understand the need for electronics on a 70bhp bike...especially a RTW bike.
Yam T7 all the way.
Yeah but I’d rather plug a tire than change out a tube
If you get caught in the rain or slick roadways it helps and since the Tuareg makes 10 more HP and more torque than the T7 it will need those features at times. But I can see why it is not as important on the T7 cause it only makes 70bhp it might not need those features nearly as often.
@@edithdriver2094 And if you slice your tire to where a plug won't fix it?
Great review and footage!
I would be happy with either bike BUT - would I want to be in the middle of outback Utah with a broken down Yamaha, or exotic Aprilia 🤔
They weigh the same. So you will be pushing the same weight either way.
@@hectorstewart7706 I was thinking Paul Bugden meant which is easier to fix in a remote breakdown situation. Being a foreigner (from Treasure Island) I may have misinterpreted though....
good work guys
I agree about the BDR and the information that they give out for free.
Middle weight bikes are where it’s at! Great horsepower, lighter weight vs big brothers, and less expense. Yamaha sells millions of motorcycles every year. Aprilia sells less than 50,000 motorcycles a year. To offer advanced products and fairly competitive pricing is amazing from small companies with higher overhead costs. Advanced electronics allow many more miles trouble free riding with early warnings of problem. You do not see too many newer type vehicles stuck on the side of the road. Plus service intervals are longer. Honda still wants every 4000 mile check up though. Many bikes need software updates not just oil changes
Both great bikes, and your comparison was very well done. As much as I like the Tenere, I’m not riding a purple cycle and when I saw it in person - it was a deal breaker. Maybe next year there will be better color options
They had to do something to slow sales down.
I am wondering if you were at Centennial while itchy boots was there on her way to Alaska.
What about compared to the desert x???
The most common issue I see with non-off-roading folk is not enough speed, that's why you can't cross some spots or just fall down
Or rather, momentum, and commitment..
I ride a T7 (from a GS1200). Im not surprised for two reasons:
1)I had to lower the bike a bit, mainly to compensate for high c.o.gravity and moved the handles closer. Combined with 20 000km, Im now perfectly at ease, but it was the first bike I ever had to change ergonomically.
2) Most people love tech. So do I, but I prefer it on my phone, so I can throw it away when it bug-erred. Tech on a bike is to introduce an unnesesary layer of complication and the most likely source of future trouble.
Combined with Yamaha reliability and network, I will stick to the T7. But its great that there is competition in the market.
I will trade my T7 for a T5....
I skipped this video when it came out....to my detriment. Well done gentlemen. Well done indeed.
What about riding into a head wind...did either bike have to be wrapped out to maintain hwy speeds?
I feel like we all know both of these bikes will tackle a 2k mile trip when they are brand new and both will preform just fine for the average rider. But we all know if this test was done 10 years later and after 50k miles the Aprilia probably wouldn’t even make it to the shootout.
I think it’s a good bike if you live in Europe with better dealer support but if you’re in the USA and trusting an Italian machine to get you in and out of the back country with minimal dealer locations, parts and knowledge around, you get what you deserve when it leaves you stranded.
Why not. I have seen several high miles Aprilias..
The Aprilia toureg is the best middle weight on the market 100%the best.