The idea of having both Uncle Ben and JJJ as friends really works for the story that it feels like a manga/anime instead of a comic, with how the story focuses on other characters rather than just one character.
this makes me so so happy as a deep spider-man fan the writing is absolutely beautiful i love all these new dynamics in this universe it feels like everything is going forward rather then backwards in a loop like in 616
Great issue, and character building. Love the slow pace. But the youtubbers are complaining. Hope the next issue will deliver some for the action junkies.
The best part about this issue is we not only get to have our favorite news reporters in ben and jonah shine but also peter and richards chess game is a really nice father son moment where you get to see peter spending time with his kids because this peter is a father a husband and a hero hes not some down on his luck loser hes a 35 year old who has a perfect life he has an amazing wife two awesome kids a fun uncle and father figure a best friend and Finnally hes Spider-Man this is how you do the characters justice asm and marvel also really cant wait for your review for the next one as holy crap is that issue peak
5:42 A few things: One I love how both this version of Peter Parker and I both love chess. Two I think chess is right up Peter Parker's alley since it's a tactics and strategy game, and he's supposed to be smart in pretty much all his versions, Richard should be the one playing chess against him because he's been portrayed as the more smart and serious of Peter and MJ's kids (though this is probably me being biased since I love chess). Three I love how awful Peter Parker is at chess because one of his rooks is clearly one down from Richard's king and he can literally win the game in one move but he doesn't. 9:34 I love how Harry refers to the record as a rabbit hole because of my Matrix references in my comment on your review of the first issue. And, of course, it's time to be like Alice and go down the rabbit hole further. Also, I have a question, would you take the ped or blue pill, or will you be... unconventional and take both, or just walk away. 11:18 Of course Ben and Jonah still don't know that Fisk is just a pawn (pun not intended). However, I think it's clear that you have to deal with Fisk first. Also, I love how I honestly didn't even realize that there was no Spider-Man until you told me because of how good it is. 12:41 This is inconsequential but since this Gwen is so similar to Liz Allen I feel like I would've preferred if they just made Gwen Liz in this, but I think this really doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things. I can't wait until issue twelve comes out and then I could do a bunch of references to Home Alone (specifically the "Angels With Filthy Souls" parts). Whenever the holidays are brought up you'll definitely see me reference them. 14:19 Even though that issue is around a year and a half at this point that's still embarrassing for ASM, especially since how successful USM has been. 14:57 I love how I wanted to do a "the black Cat is black" joke but I can't since technically she's mixed race since her father's still white but her mother is black, and you can see (in issue #8) that her skin is lighter than her mother's. Also, whenever race-swapping (or changing any other physical characteristics) is brought up I tend not to really care as long as the race (or other physical characteristics if we are talking about other physical characters) of the character isn't an important part of their character, and this is one of those instances since I don't really see how Black Cat's race was ever important to her character. Finally, when you review the last Zeb Wells comic can you do a review for the series as a whole?
thats a tough question, which one would you take? I feel like it depends on the consequences of the red pill and what it could lead to perhaps. if im feeling bold red! theres alot to love about this issue! im glad to see you enjoyed it as much as I did, Hickman as per usual throughout the series is a master at dialogue and the banter between jjj and ben is ELITE I do have a review for asm 60 planned as well as potentially another video going over zebs time on the book, whether its an extensive dive or more of a rant im still not sure on
@@mnstash Fun fact they actually made a Matrix comic called "Life Less Empty" where a hacker takes the blue pill and regrets for the rest of her life, and does remember everything that she had went through and regrets not taking the red pill, she just went to sleep. So, the blue pill is just a sedative that makes your Matrix self go to sleep. So, if you take both pills you'll go to sleep and wake up in the real world, at least I think that's what happened.
@@mnstash Well unless you're an older person because the film states that at a certain age, they don't disconnect people from The Matrix because they rely on The Matrix too much, and you'll never be able to be permanently separated from The Matrix and want to go back if you're too old. This is evidence in the film because the oldest out of the main cast is Joe Pantoliano, who plays Cypher and betrays the crew. This doesn't excuse Cypher's action because he did get four people killed, betray the humans, and almost get them all destroyed which made it so that Zion would be taken over by the machines, but it does show that he probably shouldn't have been disconnected from The Matrix because it was too late for him.
I love this book it’s fantastic and ten times better then amazing Spider-Man which is a complete trainwreck and thank asm by zeb wells is over and we have ultimate Spider-Man which has succeeded over asm which failed literally in my opinion.
My only complaint is as a comic called Ultimate Spiderman....it doesnt seem to have much Peter/Spiderman pov focus on it. The world building is good and all, but i came for Spiderman. He feels tacked on. Hopefully when alls setup and done we can get that. Im liking the JJ and Uncle Ben teamup alot though. It seems this is Hickmans Thor/Hyperion duo
What a nice paying homage to ben reilly character And wow just see that how they handle the story without spidey and just with uncle Ben and Jonah 🔥👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As a person that always defends Sony for having the rights of spider-man (except madame web) if Sony wants to reboot their universe this is the best way that it could be Like miles morales take the mantel of the spider-man in mcu while peter is taking breath They could use this universe and make this comic to be the live action While in the mcu miles is taking care of stuff, Peter is having a great time with mj While in Sony verse older and new peter parker is ready to become spider-man And with the way that Matt reeevs batman universe is handling it self specially with their new penguin show They would need to hire a person like Matt reeevs who could handle this big universe with also adding some stories from main 616 comic universe Great video man A great dynamic duo 😊
This is peak storytelling. This is why we should never doubt Hickman and just let the man cook with his story. I love the fact that Ben Reilly in 6160 is an alias rather than the clone of Peter Parker. Though I would have liked to see the Scarlet Spider later down the line, I think this is for the best. At least because of this, Hickman spared us of the Clone Saga. The Ultimate books for the most part are so good. What with Ultimate Spider-Man and its world and characters, Ultimate Black Panther with its international espionage/warfare aesthetic, and Ultimate X-Men with its captivating mystery behind its story, the New Ultimate Universe can very well surpass the old one in time. Sure, Ultimates is a little rocky what with its less than stellar takes on certain characters (She-Hulk and Hawkeye being the two big examples) and...interesting way of building up the story, but just one book not doing as great shouldn't pull down the others. And with Ultimate Wolverine starting up in January next year, things are only going to get better from here for Earth-6160.
I do wonder if the movies will begin to take inspiration from this universe at all, considering they pretty much always ignore the 616 in favour of 1610!
Not gunna lie, this run is the only interest I have in this new Ultimate Universe. All the other stuff with Iron man, Hulk, Cap etc etc looks too out there and not the most enticing takes on each of them.
Another great review and video. I liked using the Sopranos reference regarding how "ASM #25" doesn't sell. On the way to 4k subs. Soon you'll reach 5k subs. I'll somewhat disagree about this issue, as I'm an action junky, and like to see Spider-Man in a Spider-man comic. I understand what Hickman is doing here, but maybe because "ASM" is soo atrocious, I guess I'm expecting more from "USM". We know the biracial Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat appears in the next issue "USM #11". I don't know how Hickman will write this Black Cat and Spidery relationship, but I don't expect any love relationship between the two only a villain/hero relationship. Regarding "ASM", I'm done. I'll follow your review videos, but "ASM # 60 was so awful, it defies logic. I'll comment in more details when your video review is posted here. All I can say, Nick Lowe was at one of the comic cons, disrespected Spidey fans even further, doesn't care what Spidey fans want (like that was something new), and presented a caption/panel with Felicia/Peter kissing. Fans groaned about this. I don't know why because Marvel has no intention of bringing Peter and MJ back together. As I've stated many times in my comments, it's 17 years and counting Peter and MJ haven't been together except for short storylines like in the Nick Spencer volume. I, for one, want Felicia and Peter together. Why? Because Marvel is never going to have MJ reenter Peter's life. However, what I'm concerned about for the 20th time is Kelly and Ireland will bring Peter and Felicia back together, but for only a short time, and then break them up again when the next talentless hack takes over "ASM" from them. It's just constant garbage storyline after constant garbage storyline. I'll make one spoiler alert about "ASM # 60" that truly shows how Zeb Wells doesn't have a friggin clue about Spider-Man. Why would Aunt Anna want Peter to be with Shay? MJ with Paul? Is the Jackpot comic still selling? The way Wells ended this comic is a absolute insult to Spidey fans. What a disaster and Wells's run is best forgotten because it's one of the worst Spider-man runs in the History of the character. I don't know why fans or people in general are buying "ASM". At least I have all the back issues of the Silver Age, Bronze Age, and the comics up to the year before "OMD/BND". I also encourage anyone who has the financial resources to make independent fan fiction non-profit Spider-Man stories, so fans can have what they want from the Spider-Man character. I would contribute to crowd sourcing for an independent company to produce a cartoon/animated feature of the "USM" storyline or a Universe where The Black Cat and Spidey are married or another multi universe storyline where Spider-Gwen and Peter Parker/Spider-Man is married. Anything is better than this "ASM" trash. 55 years of following "ASM" has come to an end. I'll check the UA-cam channels like this one to get my updates about the character, but I'm no longer reading "ASM". Enough is enough. Keep up the great work. Cheers.
I too had enough of Asm, but i'm still not ( or my heart does not want to) let go completely. Been reading and collecting since the 70's. Spencer sparked a new flame in me, and it does not want to die out. But i'm skipping the eight deaths ( i'm not into torture) And will keep track what happens after. But for now i have Usm. Its been treathing me well . Strenght be with us, and our heart break.
Hey man glad to see you’re back! It’s unfortunate how asm just manages to keep on getting worse and I spent all night making my asm 60 review which, my God is a disgusting excuse of a comic book. I can’t believe we have had this hack of a writer for so long who doesn’t even know the laws within the marvel world! The biggest for me being the Matt Murdock Supreme Court win which allows superheroes to go to court without revealing their identity, meaning spidey can testify as Spider-Man and etc, but I’ll leave that for the video At this point if mj is properly dead and buried id love for Felicia and Pete to date again but like you said, doubt it’ll even go anywhere with these morons in charge! I totally understand the concern within usm, I’m hoping next issue will have a little more but I noticed Messina credited as the artist some now I’m not exactly sure if it’s another slow issue considering the two he’s filled in for have been plots filled with talking I guess we’ll have to wait and see but thank you for commenting and all the support mate! I need some sleep after all that editing, Australian time zones are not friendly😂
Here's hoping JJJ remains being the kind and reasonable but not so self absorbed/rashionale angry-unhealthy obsessed self him he is like in the original 1610 universe and not fall back into his worst self (his own worst enemy) like in 616 in later series stash I do not want that to happen again I hated that part of his beneath his unusual heart of gold exterior persay yeah?
oh defo mate, we need a Jonah that can for once maintain a level head throughout his journey, hopefully Hickman keeps the pair like this for a while because im loving the dynamic
@mnstash True lest that it unfortunately ends tragically for jameson not ben this time around I mean jjj did say in issue 1 that he won't die unless he finds the truth about their world though he did promise ben he will not lie to print it so yeah my guys tell me he could die just sa he is close on finding the truth itself leaving Ben all along to do this news reporting himself
The idea of having both Uncle Ben and JJJ as friends really works for the story that it feels like a manga/anime instead of a comic, with how the story focuses on other characters rather than just one character.
I love Hickmans world building, hes so good at making his stories have the best foundation
@ That’s true and I like my stories to be slow but important to the main story overall, probably why I like manga as well.
I am LOVING the Mystety/Thriller vibe of Ultimate. It feels mature without being pretentious. Threads that needle just right.
Perfectly said! A complete opposite of amazing Spider-Man
Hickman making Ben Reilly a pseudonym gave more respect to the name than how 616 trat him in
Ben Reilly being a writing alias for the paper is fucking genuinely genius
it was such a clever way to technically have ben Reilly present but without having to do the clone saga
this makes me so so happy as a deep spider-man fan the writing is absolutely beautiful i love all these new dynamics in this universe it feels like everything is going forward rather then backwards in a loop like in 616
It’s everything asm should be and much much more! I can’t wait for the Christmas special issue :)
@@mnstash stgggg need more spider-friends im down🫡
Great issue, and character building.
Love the slow pace.
But the youtubbers are complaining.
Hope the next issue will deliver some for the action junkies.
Ben and Jonah are such a good duo! So unexpected yet so much fun
The best part about this issue is we not only get to have our favorite news reporters in ben and jonah shine but also peter and richards chess game is a really nice father son moment where you get to see peter spending time with his kids because this peter is a father a husband and a hero hes not some down on his luck loser hes a 35 year old who has a perfect life he has an amazing wife two awesome kids a fun uncle and father figure a best friend and Finnally hes Spider-Man this is how you do the characters justice asm and marvel also really cant wait for your review for the next one as holy crap is that issue peak
5:42 A few things: One I love how both this version of Peter Parker and I both love chess. Two I think chess is right up Peter Parker's alley since it's a tactics and strategy game, and he's supposed to be smart in pretty much all his versions, Richard should be the one playing chess against him because he's been portrayed as the more smart and serious of Peter and MJ's kids (though this is probably me being biased since I love chess). Three I love how awful Peter Parker is at chess because one of his rooks is clearly one down from Richard's king and he can literally win the game in one move but he doesn't.
9:34 I love how Harry refers to the record as a rabbit hole because of my Matrix references in my comment on your review of the first issue. And, of course, it's time to be like Alice and go down the rabbit hole further. Also, I have a question, would you take the ped or blue pill, or will you be... unconventional and take both, or just walk away.
11:18 Of course Ben and Jonah still don't know that Fisk is just a pawn (pun not intended). However, I think it's clear that you have to deal with Fisk first. Also, I love how I honestly didn't even realize that there was no Spider-Man until you told me because of how good it is.
12:41 This is inconsequential but since this Gwen is so similar to Liz Allen I feel like I would've preferred if they just made Gwen Liz in this, but I think this really doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.
I can't wait until issue twelve comes out and then I could do a bunch of references to Home Alone (specifically the "Angels With Filthy Souls" parts). Whenever the holidays are brought up you'll definitely see me reference them.
14:19 Even though that issue is around a year and a half at this point that's still embarrassing for ASM, especially since how successful USM has been.
14:57 I love how I wanted to do a "the black Cat is black" joke but I can't since technically she's mixed race since her father's still white but her mother is black, and you can see (in issue #8) that her skin is lighter than her mother's. Also, whenever race-swapping (or changing any other physical characteristics) is brought up I tend not to really care as long as the race (or other physical characteristics if we are talking about other physical characters) of the character isn't an important part of their character, and this is one of those instances since I don't really see how Black Cat's race was ever important to her character.
Finally, when you review the last Zeb Wells comic can you do a review for the series as a whole?
thats a tough question, which one would you take? I feel like it depends on the consequences of the red pill and what it could lead to perhaps. if im feeling bold red!
theres alot to love about this issue! im glad to see you enjoyed it as much as I did, Hickman as per usual throughout the series is a master at dialogue and the banter between jjj and ben is ELITE
I do have a review for asm 60 planned as well as potentially another video going over zebs time on the book, whether its an extensive dive or more of a rant im still not sure on
@@mnstash Fun fact they actually made a Matrix comic called "Life Less Empty" where a hacker takes the blue pill and regrets for the rest of her life, and does remember everything that she had went through and regrets not taking the red pill, she just went to sleep. So, the blue pill is just a sedative that makes your Matrix self go to sleep. So, if you take both pills you'll go to sleep and wake up in the real world, at least I think that's what happened.
So it’s probably just easier to take the red pill 😅
@@mnstash Well unless you're an older person because the film states that at a certain age, they don't disconnect people from The Matrix because they rely on The Matrix too much, and you'll never be able to be permanently separated from The Matrix and want to go back if you're too old. This is evidence in the film because the oldest out of the main cast is Joe Pantoliano, who plays Cypher and betrays the crew. This doesn't excuse Cypher's action because he did get four people killed, betray the humans, and almost get them all destroyed which made it so that Zion would be taken over by the machines, but it does show that he probably shouldn't have been disconnected from The Matrix because it was too late for him.
3:31 Did you know that the security are Marco Checcetto and David Messina (the artists of this comic)?
oh shit I never noticed that but thats such a cool detail man!
I love this book it’s fantastic and ten times better then amazing Spider-Man which is a complete trainwreck and thank asm by zeb wells is over and we have ultimate Spider-Man which has succeeded over asm which failed literally in my opinion.
Oh definitely this is our saving grace!
@ indeed
My only complaint is as a comic called Ultimate Spiderman....it doesnt seem to have much Peter/Spiderman pov focus on it. The world building is good and all, but i came for Spiderman. He feels tacked on. Hopefully when alls setup and done we can get that.
Im liking the JJ and Uncle Ben teamup alot though. It seems this is Hickmans Thor/Hyperion duo
Lmao love the soprano edit
What a nice paying homage to ben reilly character
And wow just see that how they handle the story without spidey and just with uncle Ben and Jonah 🔥👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As a person that always defends Sony for having the rights of spider-man (except madame web) if Sony wants to reboot their universe this is the best way that it could be
Like miles morales take the mantel of the spider-man in mcu while peter is taking breath
They could use this universe and make this comic to be the live action
While in the mcu miles is taking care of stuff, Peter is having a great time with mj
While in Sony verse older and new peter parker is ready to become spider-man
And with the way that Matt reeevs batman universe is handling it self specially with their new penguin show
They would need to hire a person like Matt reeevs who could handle this big universe with also adding some stories from main 616 comic universe
Great video man
A great dynamic duo 😊
cheers mate, glad you enjoyed! this series keeps on surprising I feel all of us with just how good it can get :)
Another great review and vid keep them coming cheers
Thanks mate!
This is peak storytelling. This is why we should never doubt Hickman and just let the man cook with his story. I love the fact that Ben Reilly in 6160 is an alias rather than the clone of Peter Parker. Though I would have liked to see the Scarlet Spider later down the line, I think this is for the best. At least because of this, Hickman spared us of the Clone Saga. The Ultimate books for the most part are so good. What with Ultimate Spider-Man and its world and characters, Ultimate Black Panther with its international espionage/warfare aesthetic, and Ultimate X-Men with its captivating mystery behind its story, the New Ultimate Universe can very well surpass the old one in time. Sure, Ultimates is a little rocky what with its less than stellar takes on certain characters (She-Hulk and Hawkeye being the two big examples) and...interesting way of building up the story, but just one book not doing as great shouldn't pull down the others. And with Ultimate Wolverine starting up in January next year, things are only going to get better from here for Earth-6160.
I do wonder if the movies will begin to take inspiration from this universe at all, considering they pretty much always ignore the 616 in favour of 1610!
Not gunna lie, this run is the only interest I have in this new Ultimate Universe. All the other stuff with Iron man, Hulk, Cap etc etc looks too out there and not the most enticing takes on each of them.
I do love the friendship between JJ and Ben. I do find it hilarious that JJ lost his bet.
Hickman is so good at writing banter, one of the highlights for me
Does Ben know about Peter being Spider-Man (I genuinely forget) (the Peter line from harry)
I assume JJJ doesn't
I’m not quite sure if Ben knows tbh, part of me thinks he doesn’t and Peter only told his wife and kids
Ben reilly? metal gear? second floor basement? the sons of big boss?
An ed asner teaming up with Ed asner issue.
Another great review and video. I liked using the Sopranos reference regarding how "ASM #25" doesn't sell. On the way to 4k subs. Soon you'll reach 5k subs. I'll somewhat disagree about this issue, as I'm an action junky, and like to see Spider-Man in a Spider-man comic. I understand what Hickman is doing here, but maybe because "ASM" is soo atrocious, I guess I'm expecting more from "USM". We know the biracial Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat appears in the next issue "USM #11". I don't know how Hickman will write this Black Cat and Spidery relationship, but I don't expect any love relationship between the two only a villain/hero relationship.
Regarding "ASM", I'm done. I'll follow your review videos, but "ASM # 60 was so awful, it defies logic. I'll comment in more details when your video review is posted here. All I can say, Nick Lowe was at one of the comic cons, disrespected Spidey fans even further, doesn't care what Spidey fans want (like that was something new), and presented a caption/panel with Felicia/Peter kissing. Fans groaned about this. I don't know why because Marvel has no intention of bringing Peter and MJ back together. As I've stated many times in my comments, it's 17 years and counting Peter and MJ haven't been together except for short storylines like in the Nick Spencer volume.
I, for one, want Felicia and Peter together. Why? Because Marvel is never going to have MJ reenter Peter's life. However, what I'm concerned about for the 20th time is Kelly and Ireland will bring Peter and Felicia back together, but for only a short time, and then break them up again when the next talentless hack takes over "ASM" from them. It's just constant garbage storyline after constant garbage storyline. I'll make one spoiler alert about "ASM # 60" that truly shows how Zeb Wells doesn't have a friggin clue about Spider-Man. Why would Aunt Anna want Peter to be with Shay? MJ with Paul? Is the Jackpot comic still selling? The way Wells ended this comic is a absolute insult to Spidey fans. What a disaster and Wells's run is best forgotten because it's one of the worst Spider-man runs in the History of the character. I don't know why fans or people in general are buying "ASM". At least I have all the back issues of the Silver Age, Bronze Age, and the comics up to the year before "OMD/BND".
I also encourage anyone who has the financial resources to make independent fan fiction non-profit Spider-Man stories, so fans can have what they want from the Spider-Man character. I would contribute to crowd sourcing for an independent company to produce a cartoon/animated feature of the "USM" storyline or a Universe where The Black Cat and Spidey are married or another multi universe storyline where Spider-Gwen and Peter Parker/Spider-Man is married. Anything is better than this "ASM" trash. 55 years of following "ASM" has come to an end. I'll check the UA-cam channels like this one to get my updates about the character, but I'm no longer reading "ASM". Enough is enough. Keep up the great work. Cheers.
I too had enough of Asm, but i'm still not ( or my heart does not want to) let go completely.
Been reading and collecting since the 70's.
Spencer sparked a new flame in me, and it does not want to die out.
But i'm skipping the eight deaths ( i'm not into torture)
And will keep track what happens after.
But for now i have Usm.
Its been treathing me well .
Strenght be with us, and our heart break.
Hey man glad to see you’re back! It’s unfortunate how asm just manages to keep on getting worse and I spent all night making my asm 60 review which, my God is a disgusting excuse of a comic book.
I can’t believe we have had this hack of a writer for so long who doesn’t even know the laws within the marvel world! The biggest for me being the Matt Murdock Supreme Court win which allows superheroes to go to court without revealing their identity, meaning spidey can testify as Spider-Man and etc, but I’ll leave that for the video
At this point if mj is properly dead and buried id love for Felicia and Pete to date again but like you said, doubt it’ll even go anywhere with these morons in charge!
I totally understand the concern within usm, I’m hoping next issue will have a little more but I noticed Messina credited as the artist some now I’m not exactly sure if it’s another slow issue considering the two he’s filled in for have been plots filled with talking
I guess we’ll have to wait and see but thank you for commenting and all the support mate! I need some sleep after all that editing, Australian time zones are not friendly😂
Another bangers for the web heads 👏
Hickman has been treating us so good🙏
Happy Halloween the only day where it’s acceptable to walk the streets while wearing a mask
I had work 😭 guess I’ll save my costume for comic con
DAWG OMG ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN CANT MISSSS🥹
Love the video my friend
Glad you enjoyed mate, get ready for the asm one it’s a doozie😂
wait sh*t i have to catch up in the comics later
Having a catchup comic day is one of the most relaxing things ever
Here's hoping JJJ remains being the kind and reasonable but not so self absorbed/rashionale angry-unhealthy obsessed self him he is like in the original 1610 universe and not fall back into his worst self (his own worst enemy) like in 616 in later series stash I do not want that to happen again I hated that part of his beneath his unusual heart of gold exterior persay yeah?
oh defo mate, we need a Jonah that can for once maintain a level head throughout his journey, hopefully Hickman keeps the pair like this for a while because im loving the dynamic
@mnstash True lest that it unfortunately ends tragically for jameson not ben this time around I mean jjj did say in issue 1 that he won't die unless he finds the truth about their world though he did promise ben he will not lie to print it so yeah my guys tell me he could die just sa he is close on finding the truth itself leaving Ben all along to do this news reporting himself
Am i tripping or is this like the only comic channel that doesn’t censor the speech bubbles
There’s a few others, am I supposed to? The copyright is so confusing
@@mnstash nah i dont really know i just know a bunch of channels do it for copyright i was just wondering
@@mnstash i like how your channel keeps them tho
I mean I hope it’s okay😅I do wish there was a clearer guide to it tho
I have 2 question is Peter x Mj still a thing in this comic series and does SpiderMan actually have some happy moments.
They’re married, so far this is the only modern book to have him happy
Gwen is a bit of obnoxious in this universe.
Yeah she’s more like how Liz eventually turns out to be, I guess it shows the Osborn effect