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@@jonathanmartin7046 Hi Jonathan, anyone offering a giveaway in the UA-cam comments section is likely a scammer. Any genuine giveaways are fully mentioned in my videos. I think the most recent one I did was through WatchCrunch itself. A reply on that platform is probably real. Cheers, Ben
I have an Oceanus OCW-T150-1AJF as well as a Citizen CB1120-50L. The Citizen is almost identical to the CB1070-56L which is reviewed on this channel. The Oceanus and the Citizen are similar in many ways - radio controlled, sapphire crystal, hardened titanium finish. I live in Southern California of the U. S. As long as I properly orient the watches overnight, they always synchronize with the time signal (WWVB from Fort Collins Colorado). Point the "12" towards the transmitter for the Oceanus and Casio watches, point the "9" towards the transmitter for Citizen watches. (Watch makers - How about standardizing on this?) I wear both, and I consider their scratch resistance effectively identical - both of mine look really close to pristine. And I've never seen a scratch in a sapphire crystal. I wear the Oceanus more than the Citizen, and I prefer it for a few (some silly) reasons: 1) Oceanus has a "proper milled clasp" as Jody would say. The Citizen has a stamped clasp. 2) The Oceanus has three micro-adjust settings that can be adjusted on the fly by just squeezing the buttons on the side of the clasp. 3) The Oceanus clearly has three motors (Hour, Minute and Date) and the Citizen only has two (Time and Date). This is shown because when you push the button for the receive status, the Citizen, after moving the minute hand forward to show the status, it moves it backward to the actual time again. The Oceanus simply moves the minute hand forward again with no movement of the hour hand. (Edit: I'm not sure that the Citizen only has two motors, because when selecting the time zone, the hour hand moves quite independent from the minute hand. And, photos of the H149 movement clearly show three coils. So, the Citizen more than likely indeed has three motors also.) For a normal person, the watches are, for all intents and purposes, functionally identical. Then again, normal people don't watch Ben's Watch Club and squeal with glee every time he drops a new video.
Agreed, I had mine for around 15+ years before it died (new battery didn't fix it) but it's badly scarred and had a very hard life so no complaints whatsoever. I've just ordered the Casio T200, I didn't even know they did much beyond the digital stuff until I saw this one on ebay. If it's half as good as the Citizen I'll be happy.
Tough choice this one, both have their pros and cons and that at this price I'd probably look elsewhere, especially with those bracelets. I mean come on. But if I had to choose, the Casio would be my choice because the bracelet is somewhat more usable. Great comparison mate.
@@pakee2352 I dont really find automatic watch necessarily superior than quartz watch. My thinking is this, for 350 dollars I could get the best watch Casio could offer or I could just get Swiss entry watches.
I've had that Citizen for over 3 years and still love it. Having said that I'd probably love the Oceanus too. I'm a bit surprised more watches don't use radio band tech - these are 2 of the best IMO
Both Casio and Citizen are beasts. Believe it or not, I have a cheap Casio (which was about 40 euros) that I purchased about 12 years ago and it still works perfectly fine. It came with 10 years battery and the battery itself lasted for 11 years straight. The watch is abused, worn every single day for at least 8 years, was dropped on concrete, and banged multiple times against metal poles and whatnot.
The funny part is while Seiko is out there duking it out with Swiss brands, Casio and Citizen feel like they're competing with each other to the point that they feel like rivals, it actually has me forgetting sometimes Citizen is the one behind Miyota since they go all in on quartz which feels like a response against Casio specifically.
@@StrikeWarlock Exactly 🤣 That Casio I was talking about has Citizen's Miyota 2s65 movement. I think Casio uses only Miyota's in their analog watches while digital modules are in house, although I might be wrong.
Oceanus is just so amazing! I wear one all the time and its for sure a level up to any competition in the price range including citizen. In fact there is no competition in the quartz world at any price point imo!
@@jperryhal I agree... Oceanus is just on an other level! If i had a Rolex, an AP a Patek and a Oceanus i would put the other 3 on display and wear the Oceanus all the time. It's just that good!
@@dimi7055 I wear a $20 casio at work. I own a Swiss watch that keeps poor time. My next real watch investment will be something that keeps time well. Whether that means I radio 📻 watch, or really super accurate quartz, no way am I gunna spend $500-$2000 on a mechanical watch that I am constantly setting the time and date. I will definitely consider the Swiss super quartz models, but I have a feeling the Japanese products will suit me better.
@@dimi7055 Just ordered a T200 after considering various watches including a £1900 Longines. I nearly bought an £800 CW Sealander until I saw the T200 for under £300 on ebay and ordered it after watching a couple of reviews on here. Looks stunning and makes me question again why people pay £1000-£5000 for watches that look similar but don't even have the functionality, or in the case of an automatic, the accuracy either! The unique, real high end stuff I get, but why pay 5k when you can buy something that looks and performs as well for a fraction of the price? My Casio is coming from Japan but I can't wait, really excited to get it hopefully just before Christmas.
Probably not these days - the pound has really fallen over the last 10 years, and when US prices are quoted without sales tax and UK prices are quoted with VAT it's probably about right, all things considered
Excellent video and comparison! The Citizens style is very nice and looks great. I have a different model from the Oceanus line and it's amazing, mostly due to the fact that the seconds hand hits all the indices every single time, and that scratches the OCD itch I have regarding that lol. I'd personally go with the Oceanus simply for that reason and it looks really great as well.
My Oceanus OCW-S100 hits the radio signal 90+% even on my wrist in bed from the East coast. I've not heard the same about the Citizen with reception being finicky. I love my Casio and plan to wear it 24-7 for 10 years. Love it.
i have owned many titanium watches. citizen duratect is the best. MUCH better than, say, the titanium used on the tudor pelagos which is a scratch magnet
Another great video, Ben. I joined WatchCrunch on your recommendation and no regrets at all. I was trying to judge a winner until you mentioned that Lineage which I already have based on your review. And yes pin tubes are fiddly. I had to grind down a couple of replacement tubes to the right length for my other lineage. Job done though.
I think pins & collars are the best system, mostly because I trust them above screw pins. Screw pins _can_ be reliable but you'll probably want to use a mild formulation of Loctite to help them hold (while still allowing you to unscrew them). Pins & collars really aren't hard ; you just need 1 cheap tool for it. The collars _are_ tiny parts, and I recommend putting a towel down on your work surface. You don't want a tiny part like that to bounce off your hard table top & go flying somewhere. I think the most common way to lose a collar is by failing to realize it was there in the first place, and having it fall out of the removed link, never to be seen again. If you know to expect them, and "don't forget to bring a towel" you'll be fine.
So compare a Citizen Attesa to the Oceanus. My two Attesas have an "automatic hand correction" feature that kereps rthe hands dead on mark. Sound familiar?
0:25 "Let's say you've got a budget of $500, or £600" - fun fact, the pound was weakest against the dollar on 25th February 1985, at which time $500 would have equalled £474. As of today, $500 equals £411
Hey Ben, it'd be great if you gave the Citizen NJ0100 a look - seems to be a great deal for around 150 euros (automatic, 100m WR, interesting and unique design, great dial choices). Not a new model, but very overlooked with very little info about it online.
The Citizen looks better and wears better on my wrist like yours. It's a minor aggravation that the second hand doesn't hit the markers, but it's really not necessary for me. Both are nice watches.
The H149 Citizen module of the Attesa, like the Oceanus movement, has Automatic Hand Position Correction, according to Citizen so the hands ought to be spot on the marks.
Ben! You should make a video on the Vaer watch brand! I bought one and they're very good quality for their money from what ive seen! I bought one of their field watches.
For me Oceanus has a slight edge given the same price the fit and finishing of the Oceanus is better. The S100 is my fave though and for Citizen the PMD56.
WOW, that is an amazing model. Never heard about it, simply the most beautiful Citizen I've seen to date. Nice dimensions, standard strap, mechanical and sapphire glass as well.
@@MrBl3ki plus Duratect coating. Very good everyday watch option! The case finishing, slimness and dimensions are good! I think it's a much better option than the Seiko SARB or SARX. The only minor gripe to me would be the longer lug to lug, male endlinks and the clasp with only 2 micro adjustments
Titanium comes in grades 1 - 9 (well, there is grade 11, but that is rarely ever used). Grade 1 is very soft and malleable, not good for a watch. Whereas 9 is incredibly hard, brittle and near impossible to machine usually only used in military/aerospace applications. Satellites, the space station, etc. So yeah, again not good for a watch, as even if you could machine the case it would just shatter the first time you banged it. Most titanium watches are typically grade(s) 3 - 5 as they are the best overall combination of weight, strength, durability and ease of manufacturing. Some of the lower grades used (usually around 3) are still very prone to scratching somewhat easily that is why they put coatings (Duratec, etc.) on to make them less prone to this. I hope this helped at least little. Thanks for another great review. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
I bought the (JDM) OCW-T200SLE-2AJR Oceanus from Japan a while ago. That's the mid-blue dial version and comes on leather, is stainless steel only, and doesn't show all those (silly) city names. Just a bit above that $ 500 limit but it's superb. That said, I'm a great Citizen fan as well and currently saving up for a (much more expensive) Chronomaster.
So anyway, I have a Citizen PMD56-2952, AT9010-52e, BZ1020-22e, Casio Edifice EQB-510dc, and G-Shock GW-B5600BC. They are all great watches I got for their specific characteristics, though I'm selling a couple of them right now. Love the PMD56-2952 though.
Ben, the most intriguing part of this review was what you said at the very end: that you'd choose the Casio Lineage over either of these two. I think we'd all like to hear your reasons for that! Please elaborate. :)
I have almost all Casio Lineage model and some Oceanus model. The Lineage while very nicely build and has basically the same features and functions as the Oceanus, the build quality of the Oceanus is even better. Not to mention 99% of Oceanus model comes with Titanium (only T200 not). Also All the Lineage model doesn't have crown but buttons just like a g-shock is while the Oceanus has a more traditional crown. The Oceanus also bigger in diameter than the Lineage.
Ben doesn't appreciate craftsmanship and finishing, so the cheaply made Lineage watches appeal to him. If you are in the know and have seen a few high-end watches, the Lineage is just abominable to look at. It's literally at a similar level of finish with the Walmart watches. Entry-level Oceanus has the level of finish that's leagues above Tudor Pelagos. Oceanus Manta has the level of finish similar to or better than that of Omega Speedmaster.
there is a bigger 43mm version of the citizen with a red second & black dial...the advantage? normal bracelet so you can change it and put leather if you want
I think it’s worth mentioning that you can get custom leather straps quite easily and inexpensively. So you could actually get one that accomodates for fixed centerlinks like this. Yes, they are less versatile, but if you really want to change out thr beacelet, it is possible.
@@goobyssii've had them made at a local leather strap manufacturer. You can probably find something similar with any company that produces its own leather straps in your area.
@@goobyssi Experienced watchmakers can usually customize them, by simply cutting out a chunk from an off-the-shelf leather strap. Consult your trusted watchmarker first regarding this. You may or may not like how it looks.
Really nice comparison! So many pros and cons which don't create a clear winner. I want the citizen dial (less text is nice), Casio accuracy for second hand, Casio bracelet, citizen case shape .. tricky one!
First watch in my collection was a citizen. Only fault I noticed with is a misalignment with the 2 hand. It could be the way the watch is angled ( I noticed if I invert it, the 7 hand gets misaligned instead) Though quartz movements in general tend to have issues with alignment.
I’m late… but, can you tell me what price point I can expect the second and minute hand to align with the second/minute track on a dial? My Citizen Chandler is definitely not aligned.
@@NathanChisholm041 Really? Not my experience I can’t recall anyone bringing up or wanting to show one. Not been over to the place yet I may later on……interesting. Thanks for reply. Bob England
This obsession with being able to change a bracelet is insane. The watch designers have clearly spent a long time matching any given watch to a supplied bracelet or strap and by the time a watch comes to market, you can be sure that it is fitted with the very best bracelet or strap for that watch, at a given price point. If the bracelet can’t be adjusted for a perfect fit on your wrist, then that is not the watch for you. Look elsewhere. The Casio Oceanus S100 offers the best value for money of any three hand, date window, watch. Titanium, sapphire, perfect finishing, and a quality solid bracelet. The light weight allows for the watch to be worn slightly looser without any problems or discomfort and allows for any wrist swelling in hot weather.
Both watch companies make great watches , but they are 2 different beasts , I prefer Citizen , but I do like some of Casio's innovations . and styles as well.
Seiko, Tissot and for me, Laco where I look under 500 euros. Id consider looking at casio and citizen, but then if it was under 80 euros range. A range I often prefer saving up if Im in
Have you considered doing any Casio Protrek watch reviews? These seem to be excellent outdoor watches but as usual with Casio, the marketing isn't very clear or concise.
What I always wanted to know: How does the 350€ Apple Steel Link Watch Strap compare to similarly priced watch straps for traditional watches quality wise?
I find it hard to choose between but that's because whenever this kind of watch comes up I immediately think Solar G-shock with all the inherent toughness and functionality.
I'm surprised that a Citizen at this price point is missing the second markers, or has misaligned batons. Really not what I'd expect rrom Citizen. But I wouldn't buy either of them anyway. Not being able to change up the straps is an absolute deal-breaker. But there's an Oceanus with standard lugs and a better-looking face (more like the Citizen) and I'd seriously consider it - I think it's the T200 series.
I bought a more expensive Citizen Attesa line and it has a misaligned bezel and chapter ring. The watch looks great and all but those flaws really kills the vibe of the watch. Not to forget that many Attesa models are JDM only so returning and refunding is not as easy as going thru amazon.
I agree with opting for the Casio Lineage instead of either of these. It's available in titanium models for less than half the price of the Oceanus or Citizen equivalent.
Not sure if I'm too picky myself, but the Lineage's finishing is subpar when I look closely. The well polished metal reflection is just not there. Oceanus and Attesa are several leagues above Lineage.
I need your help. Would anyone have a recommendation for a watch? It should have a diameter of 35-38mm and a maximum of 45mm lug to lug, have sapphire glass, 5-10bar, max. 10mm high and a quartz movement or solar with at least 5 years battery life. In terms of price, I imagine around €300. Visually, it should be sporty but also minimalistic. optics such as a gs 263 or rolex op / explorer1 or an omega aqua terra or something in the direction of the Bauhaus style. I hope for a few suggestions. (I already have a tissot prx35 and junghans milano solar would be an option, but maybe you can think of something else. Greetings from Germany
Tengo en la mira este Citizen y con tu video me ayudo... Veo muchos de tus videos porque tenemos una muñeca similar con el mismo problema de encontrar relojes acordes a nuestro tamaño, ya que están muy de moda los relojes enromes
HI ben - this is a great review / comparison - and i don't know if this is part of your long term plan - but but focussing on this segment of the market there are so many other brands / especially microbrands that i think would be worth your time covering if you were keen. I just love your particular style of review and feel it would be a shame if you sheltered yourself in the extreme affordable segment of the market. Your honesty and actual inclination to call pieces out on their actual flaws is lacking in the youtube space IMO
Casio always lasts longer than citizen anyday. My previous three citizen watches eco drives showed up some small niggles or the other after a year or two.
It's a hard choice, but I would pick the Citizen because of the dial. For some reason, I don't like the Roman numeral on the Oceanus. I've had both solar Casio's and Citizens and they are reliable and convenient. In fact, I wouldn't buy a quartz watch that wasn't Eco-Drive or Tough Solar.
And then there's seiko with their presage automatic models with bracelets. There's one version that has a power reserve indicator and the dial is very beautiful but the bracelet is trash for the price, and is still hardlex...
Are both of these watches using the same movement? I know I've seen some Casio watches with Miyota/Citizen movements inside. With how similar both these watches appear, could they be produced in the same factory under some joint venture between the two brands?
@@kirkkohnen5050 Right, but is the 5414 a rebranded Citizen movement? The 5414 looks awfully similar to to the H149 as far as the button/pusher placement and general features of the movement.
@@beanboy89 H149 is a Citizen movement. The 5414 (and the nearly identical 5235) movement is a Casio/Oceanus movement. While they are functionally almost equivalent, the Casio movement has three motors, the Citizen movement only has two motors. (Edit: Not true. Photos clearly show 3 motor coils.) When the Casio returns from displaying its last reception status, the minute hand continues forward and the hour hand stays stationary. When the Citizen returns from displaying its last reception status, the minute hand goes backward (counter clockwise). Also, you can see the hour hand moving with the minute hand at the 1 to 12 gearing of an hour hand. (Edit: Again, after looking more closely, the hour hand doesn't move.) This shows that they're absolutely different movements. It took Citizen three tries to get its radio controlled movement right - H144, H145 and finally H149. They screwed up management of daylight saving time control settings. I've seen no evidence that Casio had similar problems.
I have the oceanus s100 and to me the only really major weakness to it is the lack of a quick adjust bracelet. Good to see that being incorporated on the new Oceanus models. I might have to get the part and retrofit it onto my own bracelet.
Think I side with the Casio here...I don't know what it is (Maybe because i'm a Seiko fanboy) but I've never really gotten along with Citizen, every one I've bought has been sold soon after
Video idea, if you can ever swing it: get your hands (if temporarily) on a genuine, indisputable luxury wristwatch, like an A. Lange & Sohne 1815, a Vacheron Constantin Patrimony, an AP Royal Oak, or even a good ol' Rolex Oyster Perpetual. Evaluate it like you would any of the other watches on your channel. Then compare it to watches that mere mortals like myself can actually afford, from the bang-for-buck offerings of Casio and Orient to the """""affordable luxury""""" options from MVMT and Valuchi and the like. I think it would be cool to see what really makes a watch "luxury," then see how close you can get to that luxury at non-life-destroying prices. What do you get from a luxury watch that you can't get from lower-cost alternatives? Better or more expensive materials? Fit and finish? Movement accuracy? Craftsmanship? Is it mostly marketing hype, prestige, and conspicuous consumption? Why does an 1815 look so much nicer (to me) than just about every similarly-styled watch below four figures?
I don´t like the roman XII on the Casio dial. But there is a light blue version which looks much better in my opinion, because the XII is not so prominent and the whole watch is looking really fresh. This one would be my choice, because I don´t like the quality of the Citizen., Although I have to admit that the blue version of the Citizen is looking great.
Check out the almost identical Oceanus ocw-s100-1ajf. The dial is different, the movement is slightly different (The S100 is module 5235, the T150 is module 5414, the documentation file is the same, and has "Operation Guide 5235/5414" at the top of every page. I don't think you will be disappointed.
I don't know why, but even watch enthusiasts and youtubers, like Ben, don't consider importance and quality of internal protection. Looks and design are just one part of the whole product, so he should go much deeper with his videos, making a proper research. In that regard, people would understand that Casio (and I'm not talking only about G-shocks) is the most high quality brand in the world, and no brand can compare with them. To be fair, I don't know anything about Citizen's internals in this model, and if it can be comparable to Oceanus, but I know that all Casio watches can withstand abnormal amounts of abuse (speaking from personal experience).
I’m from Japan. You are comparing Citizen Atessa and Casio Oceanus . Oceanus belongs to higher end of price range. One is around 500-1000 dollar and the other is 1000-1500 dollar.
Ok. I do love this channel but 500$ is around 400£. One more mistake is Zaratsu polishing....That special Seiko Technic. Not every polishing is Zaratsu and why do you think giants like Patek don't use Zaratsu. Ben you can do better.....BTW. Thank you for putting MTD-1053 in your video. I would like to see full episode about that watch. It it is amazing. I have BB58 and that watch is my better:). Still Love your work:)
Honestly when it comes to a quality timepiece, the fact that the Citizen fit and finish on the face and markers don’t line up perfectly is all I need to know. Casio wins on that alone.
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@@jonathanmartin7046 Hi Jonathan, anyone offering a giveaway in the UA-cam comments section is likely a scammer. Any genuine giveaways are fully mentioned in my videos. I think the most recent one I did was through WatchCrunch itself. A reply on that platform is probably real. Cheers, Ben
I have an Oceanus OCW-T150-1AJF as well as a Citizen CB1120-50L. The Citizen is almost identical to the CB1070-56L which is reviewed on this channel. The Oceanus and the Citizen are similar in many ways - radio controlled, sapphire crystal, hardened titanium finish. I live in Southern California of the U. S. As long as I properly orient the watches overnight, they always synchronize with the time signal (WWVB from Fort Collins Colorado). Point the "12" towards the transmitter for the Oceanus and Casio watches, point the "9" towards the transmitter for Citizen watches. (Watch makers - How about standardizing on this?)
I wear both, and I consider their scratch resistance effectively identical - both of mine look really close to pristine. And I've never seen a scratch in a sapphire crystal.
I wear the Oceanus more than the Citizen, and I prefer it for a few (some silly) reasons:
1) Oceanus has a "proper milled clasp" as Jody would say. The Citizen has a stamped clasp.
2) The Oceanus has three micro-adjust settings that can be adjusted on the fly by just squeezing the buttons on the side of the clasp.
3) The Oceanus clearly has three motors (Hour, Minute and Date) and the Citizen only has two (Time and Date). This is shown because when you push the button for the receive status, the Citizen, after moving the minute hand forward to show the status, it moves it backward to the actual time again. The Oceanus simply moves the minute hand forward again with no movement of the hour hand. (Edit: I'm not sure that the Citizen only has two motors, because when selecting the time zone, the hour hand moves quite independent from the minute hand. And, photos of the H149 movement clearly show three coils. So, the Citizen more than likely indeed has three motors also.)
For a normal person, the watches are, for all intents and purposes, functionally identical. Then again, normal people don't watch Ben's Watch Club and squeal with glee every time he drops a new video.
Citizen's eco-drive is amazing! I have it for over 18 years now and never changed the battery.
Agreed, I had mine for around 15+ years before it died (new battery didn't fix it) but it's badly scarred and had a very hard life so no complaints whatsoever. I've just ordered the Casio T200, I didn't even know they did much beyond the digital stuff until I saw this one on ebay. If it's half as good as the Citizen I'll be happy.
I would pick the Casio anyday, love their G-shocks and Edifices
Tough choice this one, both have their pros and cons and that at this price I'd probably look elsewhere, especially with those bracelets. I mean come on. But if I had to choose, the Casio would be my choice because the bracelet is somewhat more usable. Great comparison mate.
I have been weighing to buy Oceanus for a year. Dunno whether to commit or not since that is my biggest watch purchase by far.
@@bigboiganiga8356 You could buy a very good automatic watch for that money
@@pakee2352 I dont really find automatic watch necessarily superior than quartz watch. My thinking is this, for 350 dollars I could get the best watch Casio could offer or I could just get Swiss entry watches.
@@pakee2352at $500 few if any can match the oceanus imo an auto is not objectively superior to a quartz
@@jessISaRicePrincess Yeah but some people like automatic watches more so i was just saying. The most id spend on a quartz is around 400 and less
I've had that Citizen for over 3 years and still love it. Having said that I'd probably love the Oceanus too. I'm a bit surprised more watches don't use radio band tech - these are 2 of the best IMO
Both have that.
I’m not a watch nerd ( your words ) but I love how entertaining your videos are. 👍
Both Casio and Citizen are beasts. Believe it or not, I have a cheap Casio (which was about 40 euros) that I purchased about 12 years ago and it still works perfectly fine. It came with 10 years battery and the battery itself lasted for 11 years straight. The watch is abused, worn every single day for at least 8 years, was dropped on concrete, and banged multiple times against metal poles and whatnot.
@user-mv1kp9ne8g Agree 👌
The funny part is while Seiko is out there duking it out with Swiss brands, Casio and Citizen feel like they're competing with each other to the point that they feel like rivals, it actually has me forgetting sometimes Citizen is the one behind Miyota since they go all in on quartz which feels like a response against Casio specifically.
@@StrikeWarlock Exactly 🤣 That Casio I was talking about has Citizen's Miyota 2s65 movement. I think Casio uses only Miyota's in their analog watches while digital modules are in house, although I might be wrong.
I would go Oceanus, but I'd also get one of their pieces without the integrated bracelet. I've got my T200 and I love it. Fantastic watch
Lovely, Oceanus is great. Can you change the strap in T200? or it's also build-in bracelet like in this review?
@@mearsite можно поменять он 20 мм между ушками
Oceanus is just so amazing! I wear one all the time and its for sure a level up to any competition in the price range including citizen. In fact there is no competition in the quartz world at any price point imo!
@@jperryhal I agree... Oceanus is just on an other level! If i had a Rolex, an AP a Patek and a Oceanus i would put the other 3 on display and wear the Oceanus all the time. It's just that good!
@@dimi7055 I wear a $20 casio at work. I own a Swiss watch that keeps poor time. My next real watch investment will be something that keeps time well. Whether that means I radio 📻 watch, or really super accurate quartz, no way am I gunna spend $500-$2000 on a mechanical watch that I am constantly setting the time and date. I will definitely consider the Swiss super quartz models, but I have a feeling the Japanese products will suit me better.
@@dimi7055 Just ordered a T200 after considering various watches including a £1900 Longines. I nearly bought an £800 CW Sealander until I saw the T200 for under £300 on ebay and ordered it after watching a couple of reviews on here. Looks stunning and makes me question again why people pay £1000-£5000 for watches that look similar but don't even have the functionality, or in the case of an automatic, the accuracy either! The unique, real high end stuff I get, but why pay 5k when you can buy something that looks and performs as well for a fraction of the price? My Casio is coming from Japan but I can't wait, really excited to get it hopefully just before Christmas.
$500 would be £400 not £600. Just a little mix up.
Probably not these days - the pound has really fallen over the last 10 years, and when US prices are quoted without sales tax and UK prices are quoted with VAT it's probably about right, all things considered
Came to the comments to say that.
$1 = £0.83 at the moment.
He said once before that the deals are better in the US
Excellent video and comparison! The Citizens style is very nice and looks great. I have a different model from the Oceanus line and it's amazing, mostly due to the fact that the seconds hand hits all the indices every single time, and that scratches the OCD itch I have regarding that lol. I'd personally go with the Oceanus simply for that reason and it looks really great as well.
My Oceanus OCW-S100 hits the radio signal 90+% even on my wrist in bed from the East coast. I've not heard the same about the Citizen with reception being finicky. I love my Casio and plan to wear it 24-7 for 10 years. Love it.
Perfect timing i'm now thinking of buying Oceanus ;)
i have owned many titanium watches. citizen duratect is the best. MUCH better than, say, the titanium used on the tudor pelagos which is a scratch magnet
Another great video, Ben. I joined WatchCrunch on your recommendation and no regrets at all.
I was trying to judge a winner until you mentioned that Lineage which I already have based on your review.
And yes pin tubes are fiddly. I had to grind down a couple of replacement tubes to the right length for my other lineage. Job done though.
The Oceanus to get is the T200. It's stainless steel, but it's still thin and lightweight. AND it's strap-compatible!
I think pins & collars are the best system, mostly because I trust them above screw pins. Screw pins _can_ be reliable but you'll probably want to use a mild formulation of Loctite to help them hold (while still allowing you to unscrew them). Pins & collars really aren't hard ; you just need 1 cheap tool for it. The collars _are_ tiny parts, and I recommend putting a towel down on your work surface. You don't want a tiny part like that to bounce off your hard table top & go flying somewhere. I think the most common way to lose a collar is by failing to realize it was there in the first place, and having it fall out of the removed link, never to be seen again. If you know to expect them, and "don't forget to bring a towel" you'll be fine.
So compare a Citizen Attesa to the Oceanus. My two Attesas have an "automatic hand correction" feature that kereps rthe hands dead on mark. Sound familiar?
Oceanus and Astron also have that feature. But all auto hand corrections are not equal. I notice that Oceanus does the alignment a lot more precisely.
Got the oceanus t200s-2 on an Artem sailcloth. Love it.
0:25 "Let's say you've got a budget of $500, or £600" - fun fact, the pound was weakest against the dollar on 25th February 1985, at which time $500 would have equalled £474.
As of today, $500 equals £411
Hey Ben, it'd be great if you gave the Citizen NJ0100 a look - seems to be a great deal for around 150 euros (automatic, 100m WR, interesting and unique design, great dial choices). Not a new model, but very overlooked with very little info about it online.
The Citizen looks better and wears better on my wrist like yours. It's a minor aggravation that the second hand doesn't hit the markers, but it's really not necessary for me. Both are nice watches.
The H149 Citizen module of the Attesa, like the Oceanus movement, has Automatic Hand Position Correction, according to Citizen so the hands ought to be spot on the marks.
Ben! You should make a video on the Vaer watch brand! I bought one and they're very good quality for their money from what ive seen! I bought one of their field watches.
For me Oceanus has a slight edge given the same price the fit and finishing of the Oceanus is better. The S100 is my fave though and for Citizen the PMD56.
For my money...I prefer the Casio. There is very little in it i admit but the hours markers and better strap sold it for me.
Just subscribed to Watch crunch. Thanks for the link. Great site for watch nerd discussion.
Please review the Citizen NB1050. The dimensions on that model seem a better fit for smaller wrists and can be found south $400. Thanks!
WOW, that is an amazing model. Never heard about it, simply the most beautiful Citizen I've seen to date. Nice dimensions, standard strap, mechanical and sapphire glass as well.
@@MrBl3ki plus Duratect coating. Very good everyday watch option! The case finishing, slimness and dimensions are good! I think it's a much better option than the Seiko SARB or SARX. The only minor gripe to me would be the longer lug to lug, male endlinks and the clasp with only 2 micro adjustments
Titanium comes in grades 1 - 9 (well, there is grade 11, but that is rarely ever used). Grade 1 is very soft and malleable, not good for a watch. Whereas 9 is incredibly hard, brittle and near impossible to machine usually only used in military/aerospace applications. Satellites, the space station, etc. So yeah, again not good for a watch, as even if you could machine the case it would just shatter the first time you banged it. Most titanium watches are typically grade(s) 3 - 5 as they are the best overall combination of weight, strength, durability and ease of manufacturing. Some of the lower grades used (usually around 3) are still very prone to scratching somewhat easily that is why they put coatings (Duratec, etc.) on to make them less prone to this. I hope this helped at least little. Thanks for another great review. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
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I bought the (JDM) OCW-T200SLE-2AJR Oceanus from Japan a while ago. That's the mid-blue dial version and comes on leather, is stainless steel only, and doesn't show all those (silly) city names. Just a bit above that $ 500 limit but it's superb.
That said, I'm a great Citizen fan as well and currently saving up for a (much more expensive) Chronomaster.
Would be cool if you could review the Casio OCW-S5000 model.
I see you used lemminos cipher music there, love it and love your content
Huge Casio fanboy here but the Citizen has a better looking case and dial IMO.
So anyway, I have a Citizen PMD56-2952, AT9010-52e, BZ1020-22e, Casio Edifice EQB-510dc, and G-Shock GW-B5600BC. They are all great watches I got for their specific characteristics, though I'm selling a couple of them right now. Love the PMD56-2952 though.
Ben, the most intriguing part of this review was what you said at the very end: that you'd choose the Casio Lineage over either of these two. I think we'd all like to hear your reasons for that! Please elaborate. :)
I have almost all Casio Lineage model and some Oceanus model. The Lineage while very nicely build and has basically the same features and functions as the Oceanus, the build quality of the Oceanus is even better. Not to mention 99% of Oceanus model comes with Titanium (only T200 not). Also All the Lineage model doesn't have crown but buttons just like a g-shock is while the Oceanus has a more traditional crown. The Oceanus also bigger in diameter than the Lineage.
Ben doesn't appreciate craftsmanship and finishing, so the cheaply made Lineage watches appeal to him.
If you are in the know and have seen a few high-end watches, the Lineage is just abominable to look at. It's literally at a similar level of finish with the Walmart watches.
Entry-level Oceanus has the level of finish that's leagues above Tudor Pelagos. Oceanus Manta has the level of finish similar to or better than that of Omega Speedmaster.
there is a bigger 43mm version of the citizen with a red second & black dial...the advantage? normal bracelet so you can change it and put leather if you want
I think it’s worth mentioning that you can get custom leather straps quite easily and inexpensively. So you could actually get one that accomodates for fixed centerlinks like this. Yes, they are less versatile, but if you really want to change out thr beacelet, it is possible.
Would you mind letting me know where I can buy those bands you mentioned?
@@goobyssii've had them made at a local leather strap manufacturer. You can probably find something similar with any company that produces its own leather straps in your area.
@@goobyssi Experienced watchmakers can usually customize them, by simply cutting out a chunk from an off-the-shelf leather strap. Consult your trusted watchmarker first regarding this. You may or may not like how it looks.
Really nice comparison! So many pros and cons which don't create a clear winner. I want the citizen dial (less text is nice), Casio accuracy for second hand, Casio bracelet, citizen case shape .. tricky one!
First watch in my collection was a citizen. Only fault I noticed with is a misalignment with the 2 hand. It could be the way the watch is angled ( I noticed if I invert it, the 7 hand gets misaligned instead)
Though quartz movements in general tend to have issues with alignment.
I’m late… but, can you tell me what price point I can expect the second and minute hand to align with the second/minute track on a dial? My Citizen Chandler is definitely not aligned.
I like the look and feel of Citizen over casio in nearly all cases except this one. The Oceanus is a gorgeous peace of art
What a great comparison - this is something I too have pondered! 👍👍👍
I never ever would buy a watch without sapphire glass.
Ben you have clearly demonstrated why folk admire Citizen and like to wear them, very few watch people collect them.
Great video
Bob
England
Lots off ppl collect Citizen! Not sure where you got that from! Just go on WUS...
@@NathanChisholm041 Really? Not my experience I can’t recall anyone bringing up or wanting to show one. Not been over to the place yet I may later on……interesting. Thanks for reply.
Bob
England
Please! Make a review about Citizen C7 NH8390
If i HAD to pick it would be the Citizen, mercifully i don't though. I'd probably go for something in the Edifice line over either one.
This obsession with being able to change a bracelet is insane. The watch designers have clearly spent a long time matching any given watch to a supplied bracelet or strap and by the time a watch comes to market, you can be sure that it is fitted with the very best bracelet or strap for that watch, at a given price point. If the bracelet can’t be adjusted for a perfect fit on your wrist, then that is not the watch for you. Look elsewhere. The Casio Oceanus S100 offers the best value for money of any three hand, date window, watch. Titanium, sapphire, perfect finishing, and a quality solid bracelet. The light weight allows for the watch to be worn slightly looser without any problems or discomfort and allows for any wrist swelling in hot weather.
Hey Casio! Have you considered making a black dial, day&date Oceanus? Sincerely, Bobson
Seiko's SBXY067 has you covered
@@gesalbte looks quite nice thank you
Right now Japanese yen is depreciating like crazy. If you can buy from the Japan market, it’s basically 20% off compared to last year.
I have 4 citizens. 3 eco drives, and one diver style, all quartz. Thinking of getting a citizen automatic now.
Considering how the Miyota 9000 series gives Swiss movements a run for their money, that's not a bad call to make.
Both watch companies make great watches , but they are 2 different beasts , I prefer Citizen , but I do like some of Casio's innovations . and styles as well.
is there a light or lume on either?
Seiko, Tissot and for me, Laco where I look under 500 euros. Id consider looking at casio and citizen, but then if it was under 80 euros range. A range I often prefer saving up if Im in
Have you considered doing any Casio Protrek watch reviews? These seem to be excellent outdoor watches but as usual with Casio, the marketing isn't very clear or concise.
What I always wanted to know: How does the 350€ Apple Steel Link Watch Strap compare to similarly priced watch straps for traditional watches quality wise?
Hi, does it do auto sync every day at a given hour to keep up the accuracy?
Yes. You can also manually sync with Clock Wave app.
I find it hard to choose between but that's because whenever this kind of watch comes up I immediately think Solar G-shock with all the inherent toughness and functionality.
I was exactly the “bruh” sound when I knew the strap system
I'm surprised that a Citizen at this price point is missing the second markers, or has misaligned batons. Really not what I'd expect rrom Citizen.
But I wouldn't buy either of them anyway. Not being able to change up the straps is an absolute deal-breaker. But there's an Oceanus with standard lugs and a better-looking face (more like the Citizen) and I'd seriously consider it - I think it's the T200 series.
I bought a more expensive Citizen Attesa line and it has a misaligned bezel and chapter ring. The watch looks great and all but those flaws really kills the vibe of the watch. Not to forget that many Attesa models are JDM only so returning and refunding is not as easy as going thru amazon.
I agree with opting for the Casio Lineage instead of either of these. It's available in titanium models for less than half the price of the Oceanus or Citizen equivalent.
Not sure if I'm too picky myself, but the Lineage's finishing is subpar when I look closely. The well polished metal reflection is just not there. Oceanus and Attesa are several leagues above Lineage.
easy choice between those 2, the casio LINEAGE
do you review citizen ana digi temp?
I need your help. Would anyone have a recommendation for a watch? It should have a diameter of 35-38mm and a maximum of 45mm lug to lug, have sapphire glass, 5-10bar, max. 10mm high and a quartz movement or solar with at least 5 years battery life. In terms of price, I imagine around €300. Visually, it should be sporty but also minimalistic. optics such as a gs 263 or rolex op / explorer1 or an omega aqua terra or something in the direction of the Bauhaus style. I hope for a few suggestions. (I already have a tissot prx35 and junghans milano solar would be an option, but maybe you can think of something else.
Greetings from Germany
Tengo en la mira este Citizen y con tu video me ayudo... Veo muchos de tus videos porque tenemos una muñeca similar con el mismo problema de encontrar relojes acordes a nuestro tamaño, ya que están muy de moda los relojes enromes
I would choice Citizen. It looks better in my eyes. Casio has a plus to have quick adjustable bracelet and that is a big advantage.
Check out the newly released A168WEMB-1B and A171WEMB-1A. I’d like to hear your review of them
I don't understand why, when they can clearly make a good on the fly clasp, they don't put it on there other watches (looking at you t200)
HI ben - this is a great review / comparison - and i don't know if this is part of your long term plan - but but focussing on this segment of the market there are so many other brands / especially microbrands that i think would be worth your time covering if you were keen. I just love your particular style of review and feel it would be a shame if you sheltered yourself in the extreme affordable segment of the market. Your honesty and actual inclination to call pieces out on their actual flaws is lacking in the youtube space IMO
The two ti watch's I'm looking at
Casio always lasts longer than citizen anyday. My previous three citizen watches eco drives showed up some small niggles or the other after a year or two.
Ben`s most likely not gonna see this but you should check out Alba by Seiko sometime, if you can
It's a hard choice, but I would pick the Citizen because of the dial. For some reason, I don't like the Roman numeral on the Oceanus. I've had both solar Casio's and Citizens and they are reliable and convenient. In fact, I wouldn't buy a quartz watch that wasn't Eco-Drive or Tough Solar.
And then there's seiko with their presage automatic models with bracelets. There's one version that has a power reserve indicator and the dial is very beautiful but the bracelet is trash for the price, and is still hardlex...
Are both of these watches using the same movement? I know I've seen some Casio watches with Miyota/Citizen movements inside. With how similar both these watches appear, could they be produced in the same factory under some joint venture between the two brands?
Citizen uses H149, Oceanus uses 5414. Both are radio controlled, solar movements.
@@kirkkohnen5050 Right, but is the 5414 a rebranded Citizen movement? The 5414 looks awfully similar to to the H149 as far as the button/pusher placement and general features of the movement.
@@beanboy89 H149 is a Citizen movement. The 5414 (and the nearly identical 5235) movement is a Casio/Oceanus movement.
While they are functionally almost equivalent, the Casio movement has three motors, the Citizen movement only has two motors. (Edit: Not true. Photos clearly show 3 motor coils.) When the Casio returns from displaying its last reception status, the minute hand continues forward and the hour hand stays stationary. When the Citizen returns from displaying its last reception status, the minute hand goes backward (counter clockwise). Also, you can see the hour hand moving with the minute hand at the 1 to 12 gearing of an hour hand. (Edit: Again, after looking more closely, the hour hand doesn't move.) This shows that they're absolutely different movements.
It took Citizen three tries to get its radio controlled movement right - H144, H145 and finally H149. They screwed up management of daylight saving time control settings. I've seen no evidence that Casio had similar problems.
@@kirkkohnen5050 Thanks for the info!
@@kirkkohnen5050 I've got a Promaster Navihawk with the H804 movement. Never misses a beat
Well done!
I have the oceanus s100 and to me the only really major weakness to it is the lack of a quick adjust bracelet. Good to see that being incorporated on the new Oceanus models. I might have to get the part and retrofit it onto my own bracelet.
Great video. Snap backs? Immediate disqualification.
Think I side with the Casio here...I don't know what it is (Maybe because i'm a Seiko fanboy) but I've never really gotten along with Citizen, every one I've bought has been sold soon after
Agreed, the majority are also not to my taste (usually way too large)
Video idea, if you can ever swing it: get your hands (if temporarily) on a genuine, indisputable luxury wristwatch, like an A. Lange & Sohne 1815, a Vacheron Constantin Patrimony, an AP Royal Oak, or even a good ol' Rolex Oyster Perpetual. Evaluate it like you would any of the other watches on your channel. Then compare it to watches that mere mortals like myself can actually afford, from the bang-for-buck offerings of Casio and Orient to the """""affordable luxury""""" options from MVMT and Valuchi and the like. I think it would be cool to see what really makes a watch "luxury," then see how close you can get to that luxury at non-life-destroying prices. What do you get from a luxury watch that you can't get from lower-cost alternatives? Better or more expensive materials? Fit and finish? Movement accuracy? Craftsmanship? Is it mostly marketing hype, prestige, and conspicuous consumption? Why does an 1815 look so much nicer (to me) than just about every similarly-styled watch below four figures?
I don´t like the roman XII on the Casio dial. But there is a light blue version which looks much better in my opinion, because the XII is not so prominent and the whole watch is looking really fresh. This one would be my choice, because I don´t like the quality of the Citizen., Although I have to admit that the blue version of the Citizen is looking great.
Check out the almost identical Oceanus ocw-s100-1ajf. The dial is different, the movement is slightly different (The S100 is module 5235, the T150 is module 5414, the documentation file is the same, and has "Operation Guide 5235/5414" at the top of every page. I don't think you will be disappointed.
I love them both, so I get both!
Eco Drive does not need sunlight, it can use the light in your home. It doesn't have to be left outside to charge.
Own many watches of both brands and know for a fact that Casio are more robust and can handle more hard use
That’s interesting..
I don't know why, but even watch enthusiasts and youtubers, like Ben, don't consider importance and quality of internal protection. Looks and design are just one part of the whole product, so he should go much deeper with his videos, making a proper research. In that regard, people would understand that Casio (and I'm not talking only about G-shocks) is the most high quality brand in the world, and no brand can compare with them.
To be fair, I don't know anything about Citizen's internals in this model, and if it can be comparable to Oceanus, but I know that all Casio watches can withstand abnormal amounts of abuse (speaking from personal experience).
I’m from Japan.
You are comparing Citizen Atessa and Casio Oceanus . Oceanus belongs to higher end of price range.
One is around 500-1000 dollar and the other is 1000-1500 dollar.
Don’t make me choose. I’d probably go with Oceanus but with heart rather than head. Come to love citizen.
Hell yes!! Watch Crunch!!
There are new Citizen watches that are very cool and for some reason there are no reviews!!
You should have compared the oceanus with the Citizen. This is unfair for citizen. I own the t200 btw and I'm happy with it 👌🏼😎
Well Done Ben
Ok. I do love this channel but 500$ is around 400£. One more mistake is Zaratsu polishing....That special Seiko Technic. Not every polishing is Zaratsu and why do you think giants like Patek don't use Zaratsu. Ben you can do better.....BTW. Thank you for putting MTD-1053 in your video. I would like to see full episode about that watch. It it is amazing. I have BB58 and that watch is my better:). Still Love your work:)
That's interesting. Regarding alignment/ hitting indeces right, I've had better luck with Citizen than Casio. Talking sapphire crystal price range.
I would love to see a JerryRigEverything-style destructive teardown of these two. Genuinely really curious how they'd fare.
Hands on Casio seem kind of short.
Oceanus for me but I still love Citizen :)
That Citizen really is a good looking piece. I agree that the 12 o'clock marker on the Casio is overdone and detracts from the elegance of the watch.
Honestly when it comes to a quality timepiece, the fact that the Citizen fit and finish on the face and markers don’t line up perfectly is all I need to know. Casio wins on that alone.
The Citizen Series 8 Automatic is the best
Random question, is there a reason the cost is referred to in dollars, in advance of pounds?
We're experimenting with Americanising the content to increase revenue (UA-cam pays significantly more for American views vs UK or elsewhere)
@@BensWatchClub thanks Ben, was just being nosey! Have a good evening
I would love a budget watch double AR coating so the crystal all but disappears... Sadly this seems non existent on watches less than £400!