I feel like I've actually seen the original Lilo and Stitch, like, on tv. I remember the chainsaw from the movie, and jumba shooting the roof and everything! Anyone else remember actually seeing it?
Don't get me wrong the Zootopia that was released was great, but it would be cool to see what they did with that original idea. Much darker but very interesting.
A Travler from a different land Although I felt emotional about the baby bear getting his first shock, I agree this would be an interesting version. Maybe they can visit a foreign land in a sequel, where this kind of treatment is the norm, and they have to help spread the truth. Like Nick is captured and forced into a collar, and Judy has to argue for his, and ultimately all predators, freedom.
To be honest, the deleted version of zootopia looks really really interesting, sorta dark and chilling but tells a more emotional tale of a manipulating society. Also in my opinion, "toning down the violence" in the Lilo & Stitch seemed a bit unnecessary, except for the part where the house explodes when Stitch cuts the gas line. That would be a dangerous reality for kids to know about. And sure, that harsh assumption made by that tourist that a not-white girl doesn't speak english, didn't seem all that bad. They should have kept that in to show the reality that they are people out there that just don't care for others. It also was a lot more character-developing for Lilo. Lilo wasn't shocked by that kind of behavior at all. In fact, her response looked so routine-like. It would of added to her backstory that she was alone and misunderstood.
the cut gas line vs playing hot potato with a plasma rifle that has a carrot stuck in it... honestly i like the version they went with. its funny, quirky, and fits the tone of the rest of the movie well.
Just wanting t let you and everyone else know. Some artists and animators are doing just that. I think it's called Zistopia? Parodying Distopia. Or something on that note. At the VERY least, it's meant to be a comic showing the full story.
This was waaaay way heavier than I thought a clickbait video would be. Kudos. Also, the 'violence' in Lilo and Stitch being cut out is really unnecessary? 1) Nobody would have gotten hurt, 2) kids would see stuff like that watching Looney Tunes all the time back then anyway, and the only scene I can reason getting cut was the jet scene... yeah really unfortunate timing there.
yeah it would be a great idea because it would connect a lot to the first movie. It would explain why nick has trust issues and it would explain why the citizens are so quick to judge predators when they start going on random violent out breaks.
YakuzaBoi90310 Zootopia showed that Nick has trust issues because of ostracizing and betrayal by his "friends" in the Scouts, who hazed and muzzled him. Not to mention the general stigma of being a Fox. And if the shock-collar stuff happened in the past, then why wouldn't they just reinstate the collar laws as a temporary means of protection once predators started going savage? Making a sequel with shock-collar culture in the same city would be tough, considering what they've already done, but I think it's feasible if Judy and Nick were to be transferred to a different city similar to Zootopia, with the exception that shock-collars are mandatory. That opens the door for our heroes to uncover and take down a Klan-style conspiracy manipulating the polls and media, etc. to keep predators collared and feared.
My only issue is that Zootopia makes a great lesson for kids on the evils of racism because it mirrors reality. Shock collars put it further into the realm of fantasy and draw a stronger parallel with the treatment of animals rather than humans. Still a good story, but in a weird way shock collars actually makes it lose some of its impact.
I think so to, but it would've led to a pretty sinister depiction of a fascist society, which is pretty dark for a kid's movie. It's hard to say just how dark it would've gotten, but...I think the polar bear's birthday scene speaks for itself. Not to mention probably would've led to completely different themes and morals. As cool as it would've been, it's easy to see why they changed it.
Maybe, but let me put it like this: morals and themes that are super hot-button (like bigotry) don't need other morals thrown in because they can fill up the run time on their own and putting in others might take the main one out of focus (bear in mind that this is my opinion). In the collar version, it seems like there would be two themes that could be focused on, bigotry and fascism. In that case, your choices are to either pick one to focus on and let the other one be a secondary moral, or attempt to keep them balance (something incredibly difficult to do). Personally, I think the producers and such made a good call changing it. By keeping the theme of bigotry in the spotlight, they didn't distract from it. I think the theme of fascism can wait for a different movie.
@@itzpeanut9904 yes. It is not half bad. It would have been a cool concept with all the Inca mythology and Quechua culture Would have made it disneys 3rd movie with native american characters.
Should have gone with that one instead of Toy Story, since Disney only distributed rather than produced Toy Story (they only actually acquired Pixar in 2006).
They tried and failed in the late-70s and early-80s. Films like "The Black Hole", "The Watcher in the Woods", "Something Wicked This Way Comes", "The Black Cauldron", among others. All with the Disney name on them, and each one a financial failure.
@@0knarb Hunchback was still marketed as kids movie, somehow. When I first saw it I really disliked it, mainly because the story wasn't about love but about actual physical _lust,_ something kid-me really didn't get at all.
Huh... you know we give Disney a lot of flack with their censorships... but as badly as Lilo and Stitch due to the timing... that plane scene would have put the nail in the coffin. Also, Toy Story shows a case where listening to feedback is very essential for a great story. It's just too bad people abuse this power and change movies in ways they don't need to be changed.
William Davidson I highly doubt anyone who isn't crazy would care about that LILO and Stitch scene. I've NEVER met a person actually offended by accidental things slightly similar to other things.
Nakia- that was a very traumatic event for the country, but much more so for people who live and work in New York City. Average day, going to work, and suddenly a building is coming down on top of you. Then a year later a cartoon comes out showing something fairly similar. It might be an accident, but it would still remind you of that horrible event and everything that you lost during it, and you would be justifiably upset that they released it so soon after- it is just insensitive to the people affected by it. That said, anybody that is offended that they were originally going to have that *before* 9/11 happened, is just an idiot.
Bloodwolf1995 Well yeah that's what I meant though. If anyone is offended by something made BEFORE the event, they're just being stupid. Even if it was released shortly after, they couldn't have changed anything. Also, I kinda disagree with censoring something because a few people are reminded of something unrelated, but whatever. I guess some people just haven't experienced enough tragedies to get things censored the hell out of. They don't even censor blatant RAPE and MURDER on television shows and movie for adults like they do teeny tiny similarities to 9/11... and that's something that IS directly related to MANY traumas. It's kinda dumb and hypocritical. If you're gonna go censor happy, do it for every major trigger of traumatic events.
ShadeSlayer1911 Haven't actually. My college only has 60 people... and I live in a town where people are pretty emotionally tough. I know colleges and universities are usually full of people who want safe-spaces though, like they're children.
right? except for the gas explosion and the airplane everything that was edited is somehow my normal copy of Lilo and Stitch that sits on a shelf a little on my left right now.
Yeah the original theatrical release had all that stuff and so did the original airing of the movie on the Disney Channel. But when Lilo And Stitch came out on VHS/DVD as well as later Disney Channel airings of the movie, the movie had to be censored...of course due to the 9/11 attacks!
I feel like if they kept Alladin's mom in the final draft I personally would've had a deeper connection to the character and movie. She looks like my mom for crying out loud
Honestly I hated Alladin. I found the title character to be selfish, manipulative and kinda dumb, and the genie was intolerable - you couldn't get one minute into the story without William's obnoxious brand of "humor" getting right in your face. That said, adding in Alladin's mother would have tremendously improved the movie not only in making Alladin a much more sympathetic character, but by making William's role in the movie smaller.
Dude, you do realize the incest is still in the lion king right? the only real change is that it's not said out loud anymore. simba and nalla are still half-siblings because that's how lion prides work. technically if mufassa had survived I think simba would have headed off to challenge another lion for his pride when he became a teenager...kind of preserves the gene pool when they do that.
I like the revamped stitch quite a lot more. The Jumba fight is a lot sillier and they gave him a giant spaceship. In the re-done version he even says, "Did you think we walked here?" Which not only makes more sense it gave a lot more material for the later Lilo and Stitch series.
Well... that line was cute but one of them was a high flight risk insane bio terrorist they only let out of jail because HIS psychopath experiment escaped. I mean when we let out felons on probation we take away their keys, I can't imagine that they would have left that lunatic with his own ship. (Even if they could track it)
TheBlueSpeedOfLight Interesting, I watched the movie like 3 times and the first time I saw it, it was the original and the other 2 times were the edited version
TheBlueSpeedOfLight In fact I even remember them playing hot potato with it, even to the point where they're presenting it as a gift to try to get the other to hold it.
No... Zira *does* commit suicide in the actual film. Kiara holds out her paw to save her and rather than take it, Zira claws at it resulting in her falling to her death. So literally what you said didn't end up happening is exactly what happened -.-
WHAATEVEN he meant that she intentionally commited suicide out of spite instead of accidentally doing it due to being too prideful, but basically she did do the spite swipe in the end so i guess you are right
Plus in the final scene that swipe looked more like flailing to me, as if Zira was uncertain about accepting Kiara’s help, making her more bitter and indecisive than suicidal. But in the original animatic, if you watch it, there is a cut line “No...never” right before she lets go; revealing that she would rather die than accept help from the spawn of Simba.
The difference is that what's in the movie is a bit more indirect. It does the same exact thing though. In one, zira let go herself as a way of showing she'd rather die. In the movie, she refused to accept their help, which resulted in her falling. She still preferred to die than accept their help. The one in the movie is more acceptable to certain people because of the way it portrayed, even though it has the same effect. Funny how the specific way you do it makes all the difference.
there are Hawaiian people who dont/cant speak English, typically children raised in homes where their native tongue is the primary used, depends on the Island. No racism involved, its an actual thing.
+Daelyas based on the voice acting, no, it was a legitimate question so they could get an answer about what it was they wanted to know or if they should move on. try asking someone a question in english who only speaks spanish, they will look at you, shake their head and ask if you speak spanish in spanish. basically the question about if she spoke english was cutting out the middle man.
That's a ridiculous and broad statement to make about an entire Island. I highly doubt that you can assume shit like that with no proof whatsoever. The guy portrayed in the movie was an asshole who judged Lilo based on her ethnicity and made an assumption backed by preconceived notions about a certain group of people. Similar to what you"re doing.
Just guna point out; I'm British and saw the scene where Lilo climbs into a dryer. Not a pizza box. I can only assume they changed it after it had already been released in the UK?
Yeah, the one I watched when it first came out still had the dryer scene but didn't have the plane scene. Jumba also had a blaster up until he got to the house (can't remember why he "lost it") then he started using the comical switchblade and plates but the scene still ended with the carrot in the blaster. I remember I laughed so hard at that scene as Stitch and Jumba passed it back and forth until it went off.
I think I actually got to watch the original movie on Disney channel, mainly because for some reason I can remember the plane hijacking scene, and take note this was around 2006- 2008?
Similarly to how the scrapped song "Wrath of King Scar" was featured in the musical of The Lion King, the song "Proud of Your Boy" was featured in the Aladdin musical. However Aladdin's mother is no longer with him.
The Black Cauldron would've began that revolution until the CEO left shortly before the film's release and the new one, unbeknownst to the original idea, told them to cut it. And when they couldn't cut what he wanted in time, he said to cut more simply cause he could. This resulted in the film being poorly edited, having jump cuts and, overall, losing a unique song for no reason. It was the "extra" thing that was cut and for no reason.
I'm I the only one that remembers jumba shooting at the ceiling and the chainsaw??? Am I going insane? I've never seen him throwing the plates until now.
Another thing about Zootopia is a Bunny falling in love with a Fox. If Zootopia 2 will be released, It'll reveal a new kind of animal as Bunny & Fox's children.
To put in a light, the lion king thing isn't really bad, while yes incest would be a horrible thing to talk about in a kids movie, older audiences would easily be able to stitch together that Simba and Nala were brother and sister or first cousins in the finished film, this isn't very surprising since Lions in the wild usually only have one male that is allowed to have cubs, and as brutal as it would be, the minute Scar took over the pride, he would have slaughtered any remaining cubs from his brother because in a pride leader's mind, if he would keep any of the previous king's children, it would vote bad for him in the long run. But the original story arch for the film would not have stood up nearly as well as what we know and love to be lion king today. On another note, while Lilo and Stitch had a bit of a violent scene change in the original story, i think honestly kids would have enjoyed the minor carnage, people had a time where they forgot that kids watched movies and shows about power rangers that fought villains, teenage ninja turtles that had weapons, and cartoons that had guns featured in them to fight terrorism, and all those kids were fine, they grew up learning lessons, and knowing what those things are, meaning as they were older wouldn't just pick up a weapon because they saw it as entertainment as many people wanted to believe. I think honestly the fact that they were aliens coming here to capture an escaped prisoner, it would be believable for them to be using weapons, however the movie we know now, those changes helped the movie's characters age better as some what goofy and fun. The plane scene however, was completely needed, at the time it would have probably ruined the movie and left a bad taste in many people's mouths. And Zootopia, the original story, while it would have been much more interesting for adults, they may have made the right decision there, Zootopia is viewed to be more directed to adults in the long run, and some also view it as a 'furry film' but the idea of anthropomorphic talking animals has always been a theme in Disney related arts, the themes of the film we know now are for some controversial, and yet surrounded by a fun colorful and cute environment. the over all lesson behind the movie is to teach kids that it doesn't matter how you look on the outside, all that matters is whats on the inside, as many films by the company tried to promote in the past, but Zootopia takes it at a different angle, and sadly the lesson can easily be lost in all the films plot. A darker Zootopia probably would have hit high on a teen to adult fanbase, but it would have completely missed on children, and would have been to much of a big controversial issue. So again they probably made the right choice about changing it, other wise i believe the whole vibe from the film would not be the same. Great video again guys :3
The exaggerated looks of all other characters while Aladdin looks quite normal is less a matter of racism but rather a matter of how Disney generally differs their main heroes from side characters or the villains. The main characters always look pretty normal while all others rather like caricatures.
even milk is racist for the sjw snowflakes. Beside how is it racist ask if somebody speak english? jesus fucking christ. in the pre-internet era would be common to assume that not everyone speak english. You can be a jerk by how you are asking it but.. if i'm abroad i don't assume people will speak my native language, and if i don't know the country's language my go to language is english because it has better chance to be a common ground.. everything is racism..
5:28 I feel that this version of Scar's death is actually a bit more palatable than the official death, where scar is thrown over and left to be eaten alive by his own followers. That really messed me up as a kid.
@markus That's probably why they had to edit it out in future sequels due to censorship laws and the feds wanting to grill disney for breaking censorship laws
Wil Helm We wouldn't know if the original wold have done better or worse so comparing it to a what if scenario can't tell much. Also based off interpretation, it isn't only minority groups. Predator and Prey showed that both groups go through crap. Not the overused "I'm a victim because I'm blank" trash.
And I actually would have liked it Woody were evil, but not a ventriloquist dummy, they're creepy in every way, I actually thought Annabelle was one it it scared the hell out of me.
bc the zootopia characters are anthropomorphic... I don't think shock collars on dogs are appropriate but they're still animals. Livestock are also fenced in electric wire sometimes.
Well the dogs next door used to bark all night and day leading me to eventually going so long without sleep that I became severely anemic and lost 50% of my platelets. I also became hallucinogenic, tired, and much more. I would have payed them to put shock collars on them. I've been tazed before, and it hurts ONLY while it happens, not even a split second after it stops. I'd rather be tazed than pinched or slapped.
+Chris Wouldn't it be better to work your way up to shock collars? I mean spray collars are more humane and seem to work pretty well for the more tame dogs.
Aladdin makes no sense, first its in china then the Disney animators are like "Naah, fam, they need to be middle eastern (aka mostly africa/asia)" but then proceed to make his mom indian (cus of the dot on her head) WHICH IS IN SOUTH-ASIA wth maaaaaaaan!
+YourFavoriteDrawer There were a lot of people from the Middle East in China in those times, some estimates say millions. The story is probably Iranian in origin, the Iranians were in close contact with the Chinese in those times. So i assume that the original Alladin was of Iranian origin living in China.
If Disney kept the movie like that kids would be disappointed to find out the movie’s rating because stuff like that definitely would give it a PG-13 rating!
starrypurrloin Nala's dad may not be Mufasa, but it could be Scar too. However, it is unknown if The Lion Gaurd is supposed to be a direct continuation of The Lion King or if it's even canon. I mean, TLG is a show aimed at ages 5+ so I'm not sure if Disney really cares about whether its canon or not. But then take Jake and the Neverland Pirates for an example. No one very said that it has any direct relation to Peter Pan, it just involves some of the same characters. You shouldn't just immediately connect what you see in a 4 year olds cartoon to the actual thing
Good point, but since TLG included some dialogue that hints young Kovu's affection for Kiara, it's not too farfetched to see it being canon (or at least semi-canon)
starrypurrloin Yeah but those are the characters. Just because two characters have the same relation as they did in the movie doesn't make the whole series canon. Taking JATNP again for an example, just because Peter Pan and Captain Hook have the same rivalry as they did in the actual movie, doesn't mean everything else is a direct continuation of the movie.
starrypurrloin TLG can't be considered truely cannon since it conflicts with the movies. (The scene in TLG where Kovu is hopeful about seeing Kiara again is set before the outlanders moved to the termite mounds, which was the endgoal of that episode for Zira, while in the movie they had already been established there before the cubs had ever interacted) That lion painting looks a lot like a generic Mufasa, maybe even in lion society it's taboo for siblings to be king and queen so Rafiki keeps the secret? Theories~
"You'd think that Disney would've learned a lion-sized lesson after the first movie." Oh, are you going to talk about how Kovu was originally Scar's son, but the writers discovered later on that that's incest, and so they changed it incredibly last minute, hence that awkward "He wasn't my father, but he was still part of me" line? "Ziyra willingly commits suicide." Oh, that's where you're leading to. I mean, I guess it ties into Scar's death, but come on! Missed opportunity Dorkly! Even as a kid I didn't fall for Kovu's bullshit line, and this would have fit perfectly with your incest theme for this video. Still I loved the video and even as an animation nerd, I learned something new (honestly the Simba/Nala cousins thing. I knew there was incest but not to the point they called each other that in the script 0-0).
Joseph Gilland (the man behind animating said avalanche in Mulan) gave a talk at the art college I was attending. He said the worst part of having to go through all those revisions on Lilo and Stitch was that "every smoke break; you'd walk out of the studio and hear screaming. you'd look across the street at the 'Tower of Terror' ride that they kept running." On the plus side he got to learn 3D modeling because of that experience.
just because animal incest is common doesn't mean its suitable for a film. See, audiences have to be able to level with the main characters, even if they aren't human. If we see lion siblings mating, it makes them less human. Its normal for lionesses to kill their cubs. But we wouldn't look at Sarabi positively if she was attempting to kill Simba, now would we?
@@WTKB82 I think you got the males and females mixed up. Females don't normally kill their cubs (I did google this a bit to double check, never heard of such a thing). However it is more common knowledge for male lions to kill the cubs of another male to 'stake his claim' over the lionesses. I also read lionesses are known to attack males in order to protect their cubs, which makes sense (Nothing is scarier than a mother protecting her young) Though some animals are known to kill their own young during times of famine or drought to end their suffering and insure their own survival to try and have more later when the situation improves. So it would be more normal for Scar to have killed Nala since she was just a cub or more personally kill Simba. It also would have been normal for Simba to have slaughtered Ziras kids Nuka (who was probably still pretty young) and Vatani, even Kovu if he was born at the time. So we'd have had no second movie.
Shes the only main female lion who isn't Sarabi. In the musical which has that song in it where he attempts to rape her, its literally just timing. Nala just so happened to walk in as Scar was realizing he wanted to have cubs. He literally tells her that her timing could not have been more perfect. So its not like he planned on getting with her.
Technically ALL the lionesses were related to Simba. A single male lion can mate like 50 times a day. Which is how they can maintain a populaiton with only 1 or 2 males, and a shit ton of female.
I actually remember the carrot in the gun scene because they played hot potato, saying stuff like "happy birthday" "it's not my birthday" "merry Christmas" "happy hanukkah" etc.
14:15 Wait a second. In this video an American gets called racist for asking someone if they can speak English? Elsewhere I've heard that if Americans start speaking English right away they're rude and pretentious for thinking that the whole world must be able to speak their language. So what do you expect them to do?
Unless Nala is Scars daughter (which would still make Simba and Nala cousins)then I don't recall seeing any other male lions than Mufasa. So Simba and Nala are worse than cousins... They're siblings 🦁.
I appreciate that you don't shy away from "adult" words. A lot of other channels with similar content feel like they've been run through a censoring machine, sucking all the realism out of them and making them feel immature.
Also a hijacking a plane would even seem somewhat illogical since they SHOULD have had a spaceship lying around somewhere. As Jumba said they didn't walk all the way to earth. They actually know how to fly the spaceship too opposed to a just stolen plane.
...What's racist about asking if people know a language though? She's a little girl in a state that has its own language beside English. There's every possibility she may not be fluent in English. I'm not white, I wouldn't mind if someone asked me what languages I knew. I WOULD raise my brows, however, if they DID assume I knew English. Like every person on the Earth is just supposed to know your language. And most people would say that's racist too. So a white guy assumes someone doesn't know English, he's racist. He assumes someone DOES know English, he's racist. Doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't.
I'm white yet I've been talked down to because I understand Spanish (understand when spoken to yet working on the replying part lol) yet English is my first language. The pain of it is actually pretty hurtful when you have it done to you by someone else.
It's about racial profiling and making assumptions about people by their appearance. If someone in Hawai'i assumes white people speak English but people of color probably don't, then that difference in treatment is noticed and considered prejudicial and demeaning. The fact that Lilo was absolutely unshocked (and unflattered) showed it was far from her first time being treated that way, and resigned silence showed she was long past expecting that treatment to change. The issue of making harmful superficial judgments about other people from a position of societal privilege was eventually a core theme of Zootopia (the theatrical version).
@@dermotmacflann Thinking someone who has a certain appearance might not speak English is not demeaning. Only about 75% of native small children in Hawaii speak English, with that percentage slightly lower for people who aren't white, so asking whether or not Lilo speaks English actually shows more consideration towards her compared to just straight up asking where the beach is in English. Actually, thinking that assuming someone doesn't speak English based on their appearance is racist, is more racist than having that assumption. You are implying that not speaking English is a bad quality for a child who was raised in a different cultural background in another place of the world.
I mean, if you think about it, there probably were two people at first and they probably had to get it on. However, they were probably not related. Their kids obviously were and they had to get it on. Fact of the matter is we did that so much that we forgot we were all related. So, technically, if you're married right now, you're probably banging your "sister" so to speak.
In earlier drafts of Aladdin the story was going to be a coming of age story about an impoverished youth (Aladdin) who has to come to a decision on if he's going to live an easier life of Con-Artistry (and magic wish fulfillment) or if he's going to make his own way and work to earn the things he wants. You can still see some of the aspects of this in the final cut of the movie in a few scenes. This entire plot was removed when they decided to remove his mother from the story all together in favor of the adventure questing styled story that we ended up getting.
Ah, so that's why I have different memories about several moments in Lilo & Stitch. Like, I remember the chain saw scene, the sealing shooting and the hijacking but I've never seen them recently.
wait I remember seeing the stitch movie and the gun exploded the house did they already release that version then change it because I swear ive seen it before I dont remember the chain saw thoe
Don't forget the shoot out in Cinderella being removed, and the bank heist where Bambi's mom originally dies in.
whoa true
You're joking right? Legit I don't even know now.
Same. Although I thought the shootout in Cinderella was the cooler, not as cool as dad's war flashback in Beauty and the Beast though.
nobody same
I hear they're remaking the original "The Little Mermaid", oil-tanker spillage and all.
I feel like I've actually seen the original Lilo and Stitch, like, on tv. I remember the chainsaw from the movie, and jumba shooting the roof and everything! Anyone else remember actually seeing it?
Nevermind it was the remasters I saw lol
I was thinking the same thing while watching this
StripedVenus Flytrap me
Same here
I still got the orginal dvd, and yes it's all true.
They wanted Woody to be a jerk because it would be ironic that a ventriloquist dummy would be manipulative.
Holy heck, that's genius.
kinda like that Batman villian
I really really like that.
Is Woody a ventriloquist dummy though?
Those dummys i swear theyre watching me... plotting their evil plot..
@@neromauritzen8917 The original version was. You can tell by his creepy slot mouth.
Don't get me wrong the Zootopia that was released was great, but it would be cool to see what they did with that original idea. Much darker but very interesting.
A Travler from a different land Although I felt emotional about the baby bear getting his first shock, I agree this would be an interesting version. Maybe they can visit a foreign land in a sequel, where this kind of treatment is the norm, and they have to help spread the truth. Like Nick is captured and forced into a collar, and Judy has to argue for his, and ultimately all predators, freedom.
A Travler from a different land honestly. I would love that. I want to see how that would have ended
And like 3 times smaller box office.
A Travler from a different land I 100% agree
Would be crazy cool to see that version of the movie omg
To be honest, the deleted version of zootopia looks really really interesting, sorta dark and chilling but tells a more emotional tale of a manipulating society. Also in my opinion, "toning down the violence" in the Lilo & Stitch seemed a bit unnecessary, except for the part where the house explodes when Stitch cuts the gas line. That would be a dangerous reality for kids to know about. And sure, that harsh assumption made by that tourist that a not-white girl doesn't speak english, didn't seem all that bad. They should have kept that in to show the reality that they are people out there that just don't care for others. It also was a lot more character-developing for Lilo. Lilo wasn't shocked by that kind of behavior at all. In fact, her response looked so routine-like. It would of added to her backstory that she was alone and misunderstood.
Ever since the early-nineties, Disney stopped caring about back-stories.
kmlupine I don't know, dude. I think the original finale would have been a bit much right after 9/11.
I agree about the racist white guy - he should’ve been left in for depth
the cut gas line vs playing hot potato with a plasma rifle that has a carrot stuck in it... honestly i like the version they went with. its funny, quirky, and fits the tone of the rest of the movie well.
I ruined the perfect 333 likes ; )
Okay the original Zootopia script sounds really really interesting and I'd definitely watch that
you are the first furry that i know that isnt toxic as frick (congratulations!!)
Shut up furry
Guys stop she Did not do any thing
It is basically beastars (watch it)
Stitch can't melt steel beams.
Wow true
Dorkly very
That depends on whether or not he has a blowtorch and jet fuel on him.
Chazbc Confirmed Disney planed 911
9/11 was an inside job......
I actually really wanna see the shock collar version of zootopia
Same here. It would of been interesting to see where they would take it for 2hrs
Yes! If not as a movie, then at least as a comic book story.
Yeah..
It would be interesting seeing how Nick would do in the spotlight than Judy
Squashy 10000 we all do
Just wanting t let you and everyone else know. Some artists and animators are doing just that. I think it's called Zistopia? Parodying Distopia. Or something on that note. At the VERY least, it's meant to be a comic showing the full story.
This was waaaay way heavier than I thought a clickbait video would be. Kudos.
Also, the 'violence' in Lilo and Stitch being cut out is really unnecessary? 1) Nobody would have gotten hurt, 2) kids would see stuff like that watching Looney Tunes all the time back then anyway, and the only scene I can reason getting cut was the jet scene... yeah really unfortunate timing there.
Agreed. Most of the cut violence in the house seemed pretty tame for a cartoon.
They should make a second zootopia movie.
Where the shock collar stuff happened in the past.
yeah it would be a great idea because it would connect a lot to the first movie. It would explain why nick has trust issues and it would explain why the citizens are so quick to judge predators when they start going on random violent out breaks.
YakuzaBoi90310 Zootopia showed that Nick has trust issues because of ostracizing and betrayal by his "friends" in the Scouts, who hazed and muzzled him. Not to mention the general stigma of being a Fox. And if the shock-collar stuff happened in the past, then why wouldn't they just reinstate the collar laws as a temporary means of protection once predators started going savage? Making a sequel with shock-collar culture in the same city would be tough, considering what they've already done, but I think it's feasible if Judy and Nick were to be transferred to a different city similar to Zootopia, with the exception that shock-collars are mandatory. That opens the door for our heroes to uncover and take down a Klan-style conspiracy manipulating the polls and media, etc. to keep predators collared and feared.
My only issue is that Zootopia makes a great lesson for kids on the evils of racism because it mirrors reality. Shock collars put it further into the realm of fantasy and draw a stronger parallel with the treatment of animals rather than humans. Still a good story, but in a weird way shock collars actually makes it lose some of its impact.
They could do this by having Nick and Judy travel to another city where the collars are in use.
TheUrbanJedi that would be so awesome!
think that collar idea was pretty decent actually
Jack Brearley true.
I think so to, but it would've led to a pretty sinister depiction of a fascist society, which is pretty dark for a kid's movie. It's hard to say just how dark it would've gotten, but...I think the polar bear's birthday scene speaks for itself. Not to mention probably would've led to completely different themes and morals.
As cool as it would've been, it's easy to see why they changed it.
+DCreed013 I would argue that it actually had pretty similar morals, just exaggerated. It would probably still get a lot of people angry, though.
Yep, is like kids being conditioned by feminists to think they are bad because they are male and their masculinity is toxic
Maybe, but let me put it like this: morals and themes that are super hot-button (like bigotry) don't need other morals thrown in because they can fill up the run time on their own and putting in others might take the main one out of focus (bear in mind that this is my opinion). In the collar version, it seems like there would be two themes that could be focused on, bigotry and fascism. In that case, your choices are to either pick one to focus on and let the other one be a secondary moral, or attempt to keep them balance (something incredibly difficult to do).
Personally, I think the producers and such made a good call changing it. By keeping the theme of bigotry in the spotlight, they didn't distract from it. I think the theme of fascism can wait for a different movie.
You forgot about how The Emperor's New Groove was originally a dramatic musical called Kingdom of the Sun.
Yeah that would've been a cool movie and it had a character named Nina (which is my name).
theres still a song from it on youtube "shut out the light" or something like that
@@itzpeanut9904 yes. It is not half bad. It would have been a cool concept with all the Inca mythology and Quechua culture
Would have made it disneys 3rd movie with native american characters.
Should have gone with that one instead of Toy Story, since Disney only distributed rather than produced Toy Story (they only actually acquired Pixar in 2006).
@@itzpeanut9904 Yes, it's called Snuff Out The Light by performed by Eartha Kitt [Yzma] and it's really good!
... ok who wants to see that first zootopia movie
MrGemHunter Look up zistopia. It's a comic, based on the original idea.
+Nathan Higgers That joke is both bad and... well, bad
Knee- I'm done
MrGemHunter They should definitely try the idea for a movie for an older audience.
I'd watch the hell out of that...
That poor guy's ice cream
liek if u cri evertim
SophistiKeithed I wonder if he knows the cabbage seller from AtLA.
Not even 9/11 could save it
They want him to go on a diet
Eli Hillaby
Why can't DIsney expand into more adult themed movies and rate them PG-13? That original Zootopia movie sounded really good!
They tried and failed in the late-70s and early-80s. Films like "The Black Hole", "The Watcher in the Woods", "Something Wicked This Way Comes", "The Black Cauldron", among others. All with the Disney name on them, and each one a financial failure.
I think that the closest Disney "adult-themed" animated film since the 90s was the The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Branko Krzelj it was also a reasonable success ($321M on a $100M budget)
@@0knarb Turok's animated film was also technically a Disney property when it was released, and that's a pretty dark film.
@@0knarb Hunchback was still marketed as kids movie, somehow. When I first saw it I really disliked it, mainly because the story wasn't about love but about actual physical _lust,_ something kid-me really didn't get at all.
An original zootopia would be cool
the idea was very dark....for a kids movie. i would love to see that idea for adults in another animated movie
leopardnosepaws Dark DARK?! WOW YOU THINK THAT'S DARK WHAT ABOUT CINDERELLA WHERE HER MOTHER DIES AND NOW IS FORCED TO BE A SLAVE TOO HER FAMILY.
I really think they could have made it work as long as there was a happy ending. They've done it before with stuff like "Up" and "Wall-E."
Why not an alternate reality short?
Phyrrax Wait, Pixar owned by Disney?! o_o
at the end the guy still gets his ice cream taken from him
As an ice cream I found that very offensive.
Huh... you know we give Disney a lot of flack with their censorships... but as badly as Lilo and Stitch due to the timing... that plane scene would have put the nail in the coffin.
Also, Toy Story shows a case where listening to feedback is very essential for a great story. It's just too bad people abuse this power and change movies in ways they don't need to be changed.
William Davidson I highly doubt anyone who isn't crazy would care about that LILO and Stitch scene. I've NEVER met a person actually offended by accidental things slightly similar to other things.
Have you been on a college campus? They're full of these people you describe.
Nakia- that was a very traumatic event for the country, but much more so for people who live and work in New York City. Average day, going to work, and suddenly a building is coming down on top of you.
Then a year later a cartoon comes out showing something fairly similar. It might be an accident, but it would still remind you of that horrible event and everything that you lost during it, and you would be justifiably upset that they released it so soon after- it is just insensitive to the people affected by it.
That said, anybody that is offended that they were originally going to have that *before* 9/11 happened, is just an idiot.
Bloodwolf1995 Well yeah that's what I meant though. If anyone is offended by something made BEFORE the event, they're just being stupid. Even if it was released shortly after, they couldn't have changed anything.
Also, I kinda disagree with censoring something because a few people are reminded of something unrelated, but whatever. I guess some people just haven't experienced enough tragedies to get things censored the hell out of. They don't even censor blatant RAPE and MURDER on television shows and movie for adults like they do teeny tiny similarities to 9/11... and that's something that IS directly related to MANY traumas. It's kinda dumb and hypocritical. If you're gonna go censor happy, do it for every major trigger of traumatic events.
ShadeSlayer1911 Haven't actually. My college only has 60 people... and I live in a town where people are pretty emotionally tough. I know colleges and universities are usually full of people who want safe-spaces though, like they're children.
All your favorite Disney movies, now with 100% less incest.
Dorkly Why not 100% more?
They have to save something for the live action remakes
Dorkly HAHAHA!
Dorkly woo hoo
Dorkly Not even a little incest?
I loved Zootopia but I really like their original idea. That sounds really interesting, I wish they stuck with it.
Mrs. Antarctica I do to,but it’s a little racist.
Lilo and Stitch confuses me, because I remember these scenes that were supposedly removed.
right? except for the gas explosion and the airplane everything that was edited is somehow my normal copy of Lilo and Stitch that sits on a shelf a little on my left right now.
Yeah the original theatrical release had all that stuff and so did the original airing of the movie on the Disney Channel. But when Lilo And Stitch came out on VHS/DVD as well as later Disney Channel airings of the movie, the movie had to be censored...of course due to the 9/11 attacks!
All of it is in there cept the airplane scene, that changes
I think early versions are uncensored/uncut... I remember both the plane scene and Jumbas ship
I feel like if they kept Alladin's mom in the final draft I personally would've had a deeper connection to the character and movie. She looks like my mom for crying out loud
She's chubby and has kind eyes. She looks like a lot of people's moms lmao
Widow Twankey
well then your mom looks like a family guy character
well Aladdin has a hot dad instead lol
Honestly I hated Alladin. I found the title character to be selfish, manipulative and kinda dumb, and the genie was intolerable - you couldn't get one minute into the story without William's obnoxious brand of "humor" getting right in your face. That said, adding in Alladin's mother would have tremendously improved the movie not only in making Alladin a much more sympathetic character, but by making William's role in the movie smaller.
Dude, you do realize the incest is still in the lion king right? the only real change is that it's not said out loud anymore. simba and nalla are still half-siblings because that's how lion prides work. technically if mufassa had survived I think simba would have headed off to challenge another lion for his pride when he became a teenager...kind of preserves the gene pool when they do that.
clericofchaos1 I'm glad someone said something about that
It wouldn't be incest if they would have just stayed who Nala's Father was in some spin off or something.
@@dylansmith5206 but it's a lion pride, mufassa was the only male allowed to breed.
Totally right man, but now is implicit so disney is like ''yep were cool''
And if Nala and Simba didn't married,then Kion doesn't exist. And Simba's pride doesn't exist
I like the revamped stitch quite a lot more. The Jumba fight is a lot sillier and they gave him a giant spaceship. In the re-done version he even says, "Did you think we walked here?" Which not only makes more sense it gave a lot more material for the later Lilo and Stitch series.
yeah in hindsight it would even be illogical to hijack a plane while they SHOULD have had a spaceship nearby (which they know how to actually fly)
Well... that line was cute but one of them was a high flight risk insane bio terrorist they only let out of jail because HIS psychopath experiment escaped. I mean when we let out felons on probation we take away their keys, I can't imagine that they would have left that lunatic with his own ship. (Even if they could track it)
I'm actually pretty sure i saw the parts of lilo and stitch where Jumba blows up the house because of the carrot stuck in the gun when I was a kid
TheBlueSpeedOfLight me too
TheBlueSpeedOfLight Same here, and him shooting out the roof. I actually have the DVD and watch it every once in a while.
TheBlueSpeedOfLight
Interesting, I watched the movie like 3 times and the first time I saw it, it was the original and the other 2 times were the edited version
TheBlueSpeedOfLight In fact I even remember them playing hot potato with it, even to the point where they're presenting it as a gift to try to get the other to hold it.
Natalie Del Real I remember that too
No... Zira *does* commit suicide in the actual film. Kiara holds out her paw to save her and rather than take it, Zira claws at it resulting in her falling to her death. So literally what you said didn't end up happening is exactly what happened -.-
WHAATEVEN he meant that she intentionally commited suicide out of spite instead of accidentally doing it due to being too prideful, but basically she did do the spite swipe in the end so i guess you are right
Plus in the final scene that swipe looked more like flailing to me, as if Zira was uncertain about accepting Kiara’s help, making her more bitter and indecisive than suicidal. But in the original animatic, if you watch it, there is a cut line “No...never” right before she lets go; revealing that she would rather die than accept help from the spawn of Simba.
The difference is that what's in the movie is a bit more indirect. It does the same exact thing though. In one, zira let go herself as a way of showing she'd rather die. In the movie, she refused to accept their help, which resulted in her falling. She still preferred to die than accept their help. The one in the movie is more acceptable to certain people because of the way it portrayed, even though it has the same effect. Funny how the specific way you do it makes all the difference.
there are Hawaiian people who dont/cant speak English, typically children raised in homes where their native tongue is the primary used, depends on the Island. No racism involved, its an actual thing.
Dalaga Helios yeah it rather weird they kept on bringing it up.
Well at the very least its condescending isn't it?
+Daelyas based on the voice acting, no, it was a legitimate question so they could get an answer about what it was they wanted to know or if they should move on.
try asking someone a question in english who only speaks spanish, they will look at you, shake their head and ask if you speak spanish in spanish. basically the question about if she spoke english was cutting out the middle man.
Dalaga Helios Well still we can see on the scene that the person who asked the question was kinda of an asshole.
That's a ridiculous and broad statement to make about an entire Island. I highly doubt that you can assume shit like that with no proof whatsoever. The guy portrayed in the movie was an asshole who judged Lilo based on her ethnicity and made an assumption backed by preconceived notions about a certain group of people. Similar to what you"re doing.
Just guna point out; I'm British and saw the scene where Lilo climbs into a dryer. Not a pizza box. I can only assume they changed it after it had already been released in the UK?
Probably after complaints.
Amy I just saw that version on Netflix a couple weeks ago
I myself say the original except for the plane scene. It was aired on disney channel years ago
Yeah, the one I watched when it first came out still had the dryer scene but didn't have the plane scene. Jumba also had a blaster up until he got to the house (can't remember why he "lost it") then he started using the comical switchblade and plates but the scene still ended with the carrot in the blaster. I remember I laughed so hard at that scene as Stitch and Jumba passed it back and forth until it went off.
I think I actually got to watch the original movie on Disney channel, mainly because for some reason I can remember the plane hijacking scene, and take note this was around 2006- 2008?
I actually cried when you showed the clip of Moris I hope he's in the actual zootopia universe as a happy free bear
Me too
Similarly to how the scrapped song "Wrath of King Scar" was featured in the musical of The Lion King, the song "Proud of Your Boy" was featured in the Aladdin musical. However Aladdin's mother is no longer with him.
Also in the musical, Genie appears at the beginning. There is no merchant.
I would love a darker Disney with their creativity unleashed and ideas fulfilled
Youngblood The Hunchback of Notre Dame is as close as you may get. It's still MAJORLY toned down, but daaaang....
Youngblood bendy and the ink machine is the game for you
Even the book is waaay more darker.
Nina Garcia IKR?
The Black Cauldron would've began that revolution until the CEO left shortly before the film's release and the new one, unbeknownst to the original idea, told them to cut it. And when they couldn't cut what he wanted in time, he said to cut more simply cause he could.
This resulted in the film being poorly edited, having jump cuts and, overall, losing a unique song for no reason. It was the "extra" thing that was cut and for no reason.
I'm I the only one that remembers jumba shooting at the ceiling and the chainsaw??? Am I going insane? I've never seen him throwing the plates until now.
Ditto. Tough I grew up in Latinamerica, maybe some countries just got the "violent version".
I’ve seen both... I got the old vhs and a new dvd
You aren’t going insane. Lilo says no worries, stitch found the chainsaw.
The version I saw had both in the movie
Hmmmm
Another thing about Zootopia is a Bunny falling in love with a Fox.
If Zootopia 2 will be released, It'll reveal a new kind of animal as Bunny & Fox's children.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Tyler RBLX like how donkey fucked a dragon and made those hybrid babies
Exononymous Remeber when a woman dated a talking bee?
Reflecting Lucas he liked jazz
BROTHER
15:55 "Not to worry, though. The new scene still went on to feature the 'ice cream guy'"
The genie is the moon because he's "loony." Hahahahahaha I'm sorry.
He's a LUNAtic.
The Genie's "high".
He was “moon”ing us
i would realy wanted to see the waaaaaaaaaaaaaay darker version of zootopia
All this has told me is that people have far less faith in themselves as parents than I thought possible.
I actually would have liked to see a darker version of lion king....
I saw bits of the original script and concept art which is really good.
Digital Beast I would've loved to see a Evil Elsa in Frozem
Digital Beast especially the rape and incest
*no*
thanks for putting the arrow there so I can see what changed in the thumbnail.........
My favourite Disney cartoon is Lilo and stitch
It was My shit and i still have the first movie
Youngster Joey same
Do you have a ratatta?
Youngster Joey fufufu...
Lilo and Stitch was he Shizzle, awesome stuff.
I like the anime pic. From which anime is it from?
Youngster Joey me too!
2:48 *Dude it's 5:07am for me right now.. I'm just gonna go sleep now.....*
To put in a light, the lion king thing isn't really bad, while yes incest would be a horrible thing to talk about in a kids movie, older audiences would easily be able to stitch together that Simba and Nala were brother and sister or first cousins in the finished film, this isn't very surprising since Lions in the wild usually only have one male that is allowed to have cubs, and as brutal as it would be, the minute Scar took over the pride, he would have slaughtered any remaining cubs from his brother because in a pride leader's mind, if he would keep any of the previous king's children, it would vote bad for him in the long run. But the original story arch for the film would not have stood up nearly as well as what we know and love to be lion king today.
On another note, while Lilo and Stitch had a bit of a violent scene change in the original story, i think honestly kids would have enjoyed the minor carnage, people had a time where they forgot that kids watched movies and shows about power rangers that fought villains, teenage ninja turtles that had weapons, and cartoons that had guns featured in them to fight terrorism, and all those kids were fine, they grew up learning lessons, and knowing what those things are, meaning as they were older wouldn't just pick up a weapon because they saw it as entertainment as many people wanted to believe. I think honestly the fact that they were aliens coming here to capture an escaped prisoner, it would be believable for them to be using weapons, however the movie we know now, those changes helped the movie's characters age better as some what goofy and fun. The plane scene however, was completely needed, at the time it would have probably ruined the movie and left a bad taste in many people's mouths.
And Zootopia, the original story, while it would have been much more interesting for adults, they may have made the right decision there, Zootopia is viewed to be more directed to adults in the long run, and some also view it as a 'furry film' but the idea of anthropomorphic talking animals has always been a theme in Disney related arts, the themes of the film we know now are for some controversial, and yet surrounded by a fun colorful and cute environment. the over all lesson behind the movie is to teach kids that it doesn't matter how you look on the outside, all that matters is whats on the inside, as many films by the company tried to promote in the past, but Zootopia takes it at a different angle, and sadly the lesson can easily be lost in all the films plot. A darker Zootopia probably would have hit high on a teen to adult fanbase, but it would have completely missed on children, and would have been to much of a big controversial issue. So again they probably made the right choice about changing it, other wise i believe the whole vibe from the film would not be the same.
Great video again guys :3
Joomba? Joomba...? has this guy not seen lilo and stitch????
Kirstyn Smith yeah
Kirstyn Smith That bothered me so much. I mean it's pronounced exactly as it's spelled!
Joomba was my favorite character in Leila and Starch.
Kirstyn Smith its obviously Goomba
Jimbo was my favorot characher in Layland and Swatch
is it bad that I actually wanted to see Scar snap Mufasa's neck in his teeth?
I would wanna see it too!
But then we would have never seen "LONG LIVE THE KING" scene...
Kelvin Kegel what if he said it after killing him
Yes.
I want to see that!
wait a minute a video on my birthday and it has my favorite Disney character stitch you shouldn't have dorkly.
The Plaguer owch. THE GRAMMAR!
i wish i could english good
The Plaguer xdddddd
Happy late birthday my fellow Stitch fan!
+The Plaguer
Genie of the lamp: Your wish is granted, you now speak English fluently, however, you now wish to make America great again. :P
>Leave out the incest.
But it's the best part.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ikr
Incest is wincest.
The exaggerated looks of all other characters while Aladdin looks quite normal is less a matter of racism but rather a matter of how Disney generally differs their main heroes from side characters or the villains. The main characters always look pretty normal while all others rather like caricatures.
Also he really does look middle eastern. His face is very Persian looking, and he is darker. I mean idk how they think he looks like a white teenager.
@@TheKlopka Everything is racist nowadays, don'cha know
even milk is racist for the sjw snowflakes. Beside how is it racist ask if somebody speak english? jesus fucking christ.
in the pre-internet era would be common to assume that not everyone speak english. You can be a jerk by how you are asking it but..
if i'm abroad i don't assume people will speak my native language, and if i don't know the country's language my go to language is english because it has better chance to be a common ground..
everything is racism..
i guess that's what happens when white guys try to white knight about racism !
@@andrews.5212 Hawaii is an American state
That pun was hilarious, I just couldn't bear laughing at that sad polar bear cub.
that's why I cried instead. My point is: I didn't even grin, but it was genius.
i think that the original zootopia would be awsome
5:28 I feel that this version of Scar's death is actually a bit more palatable than the official death, where scar is thrown over and left to be eaten alive by his own followers. That really messed me up as a kid.
@markus That's probably why they had to edit it out in future sequels due to censorship laws and the feds wanting to grill disney for breaking censorship laws
I want to see the original version of LILO and stitch
that version of zooptoia is the one I would have watched
But zootopia was great and had a creative spin on USA Minority groups while having the plot of a great detective movie with decent twists...
Wil Helm We wouldn't know if the original wold have done better or worse so comparing it to a what if scenario can't tell much. Also based off interpretation, it isn't only minority groups. Predator and Prey showed that both groups go through crap. Not the overused "I'm a victim because I'm blank" trash.
They need some _communism_
I just discovered this channel an hour ago and it's already one of my favorites
Aladdin was my favorite on this list, if they didn't change it, I would have been traumatized for life.
And I actually would have liked it Woody were evil, but not a ventriloquist dummy, they're creepy in every way, I actually thought Annabelle was one it it scared the hell out of me.
wish they would've kept the mom character, tho..
Why is genie the moon? "Phenomenal Cosmic Power"
but itty bitty living space!
He made you look...
This is crazy. Amazing video dorkly, never letting me down
People complain about shock collars on fictional characters and yet it is okay to use them on real living dogs. I smell some hypocrisy.
bc the zootopia characters are anthropomorphic... I don't think shock collars on dogs are appropriate but they're still animals. Livestock are also fenced in electric wire sometimes.
I mean, no one here is actually putting shock collars on dogs as far as can be determined so far, so is it really hypocrisy?
Well the dogs next door used to bark all night and day leading me to eventually going so long without sleep that I became severely anemic and lost 50% of my platelets. I also became hallucinogenic, tired, and much more. I would have payed them to put shock collars on them. I've been tazed before, and it hurts ONLY while it happens, not even a split second after it stops. I'd rather be tazed than pinched or slapped.
+Chris Wouldn't it be better to work your way up to shock collars? I mean spray collars are more humane and seem to work pretty well for the more tame dogs.
Steffi Maier
Aladdin makes no sense, first its in china then the Disney animators are like "Naah, fam, they need to be middle eastern (aka mostly africa/asia)" but then proceed to make his mom indian (cus of the dot on her head) WHICH IS IN SOUTH-ASIA wth maaaaaaaan!
I swear Disney is high all the time.
The middle east is in asia
DragonFyre India is in south asia....
DragonFyre Oh and thanks for the correction btw just noticed on wikipedia its half asia half africa.
didnt know that.
+YourFavoriteDrawer There were a lot of people from the Middle East in China in those times, some estimates say millions. The story is probably Iranian in origin, the Iranians were in close contact with the Chinese in those times. So i assume that the original Alladin was of Iranian origin living in China.
"proud of your boy" may not have made the final cut BUT it is hands down one of my top 5 fave disney songs ever
I kinda wished they'd stayed with the shock-collar version of Zootopia
If Disney kept the movie like that kids would be disappointed to find out the movie’s rating because stuff like that definitely would give it a PG-13 rating!
Nala's dad isn't Mufasa. Her dad was briefly referenced in the Lion Guard in the episode, 'Paintings and Predictions'. (Die hard TLK fan, here!) ;)
starrypurrloin the lion guard is just a stupid kids show
starrypurrloin
Nala's dad may not be Mufasa, but it could be Scar too. However, it is unknown if The Lion Gaurd is supposed to be a direct continuation of The Lion King or if it's even canon. I mean, TLG is a show aimed at ages 5+ so I'm not sure if Disney really cares about whether its canon or not. But then take Jake and the Neverland Pirates for an example. No one very said that it has any direct relation to Peter Pan, it just involves some of the same characters. You shouldn't just immediately connect what you see in a 4 year olds cartoon to the actual thing
Good point, but since TLG included some dialogue that hints young Kovu's affection for Kiara, it's not too farfetched to see it being canon (or at least semi-canon)
starrypurrloin
Yeah but those are the characters. Just because two characters have the same relation as they did in the movie doesn't make the whole series canon. Taking JATNP again for an example, just because Peter Pan and Captain Hook have the same rivalry as they did in the actual movie, doesn't mean everything else is a direct continuation of the movie.
starrypurrloin TLG can't be considered truely cannon since it conflicts with the movies. (The scene in TLG where Kovu is hopeful about seeing Kiara again is set before the outlanders moved to the termite mounds, which was the endgoal of that episode for Zira, while in the movie they had already been established there before the cubs had ever interacted) That lion painting looks a lot like a generic Mufasa, maybe even in lion society it's taboo for siblings to be king and queen so Rafiki keeps the secret? Theories~
"You'd think that Disney would've learned a lion-sized lesson after the first movie." Oh, are you going to talk about how Kovu was originally Scar's son, but the writers discovered later on that that's incest, and so they changed it incredibly last minute, hence that awkward "He wasn't my father, but he was still part of me" line?
"Ziyra willingly commits suicide." Oh, that's where you're leading to. I mean, I guess it ties into Scar's death, but come on! Missed opportunity Dorkly! Even as a kid I didn't fall for Kovu's bullshit line, and this would have fit perfectly with your incest theme for this video. Still I loved the video and even as an animation nerd, I learned something new (honestly the Simba/Nala cousins thing. I knew there was incest but not to the point they called each other that in the script 0-0).
Joseph Gilland (the man behind animating said avalanche in Mulan) gave a talk at the art college I was attending. He said the worst part of having to go through all those revisions on Lilo and Stitch was that "every smoke break; you'd walk out of the studio and hear screaming. you'd look across the street at the 'Tower of Terror' ride that they kept running." On the plus side he got to learn 3D modeling because of that experience.
animal incest is common, just look at how we insure purebred dogs.
just because animal incest is common doesn't mean its suitable for a film. See, audiences have to be able to level with the main characters, even if they aren't human. If we see lion siblings mating, it makes them less human. Its normal for lionesses to kill their cubs. But we wouldn't look at Sarabi positively if she was attempting to kill Simba, now would we?
@@WTKB82 I think you got the males and females mixed up. Females don't normally kill their cubs (I did google this a bit to double check, never heard of such a thing). However it is more common knowledge for male lions to kill the cubs of another male to 'stake his claim' over the lionesses. I also read lionesses are known to attack males in order to protect their cubs, which makes sense (Nothing is scarier than a mother protecting her young)
Though some animals are known to kill their own young during times of famine or drought to end their suffering and insure their own survival to try and have more later when the situation improves.
So it would be more normal for Scar to have killed Nala since she was just a cub or more personally kill Simba. It also would have been normal for Simba to have slaughtered Ziras kids Nuka (who was probably still pretty young) and Vatani, even Kovu if he was born at the time. So we'd have had no second movie.
that is less "common" than "forced"
I guess this is why Tim Burton joined Disney
As a person that loves bears, the young cub being electrocuted for being happy leaves me in tears
To be honest that dark version of zootopia sounds way cooler
number 4 : toy story.
we all know about it.
Wow! A top 10 channel that isn't clickbait and is actually good?! Amazing! Subbed.
They thought revealing the genie as the merchant at the end of the movie would ruin the mood.
did someone let him drink coffee again
ME ☕️
I like how they STILL made the tourists in Lilo and Stitch a gag, just not as much tbh
Wtf? Scar barely notices Nala throughout the entire film how could he possibly get turned on by her?
Shes the only main female lion who isn't Sarabi. In the musical which has that song in it where he attempts to rape her, its literally just timing. Nala just so happened to walk in as Scar was realizing he wanted to have cubs. He literally tells her that her timing could not have been more perfect. So its not like he planned on getting with her.
Technically ALL the lionesses were related to Simba. A single male lion can mate like 50 times a day. Which is how they can maintain a populaiton with only 1 or 2 males, and a shit ton of female.
2:49 when I make a joke but no one understands it 👌
Dark disney film deaths? Does no one Remember all the deaths in Atlantis the Lost Empire?
Nick looks like Anti with the shock collar...
I actually remember the carrot in the gun scene because they played hot potato, saying stuff like "happy birthday" "it's not my birthday" "merry Christmas" "happy hanukkah" etc.
14:15 Wait a second. In this video an American gets called racist for asking someone if they can speak English? Elsewhere I've heard that if Americans start speaking English right away they're rude and pretentious for thinking that the whole world must be able to speak their language. So what do you expect them to do?
Obviously not trigger both sides from what you're talking about
@@luismedina5792 And how would that work? The only solution to that problem that I can think of is to not talk to anyone at all.
When in another country maybe. But Hawaii is part of the US.
Unless Nala is Scars daughter (which would still make Simba and Nala cousins)then I don't recall seeing any other male lions than Mufasa. So Simba and Nala are worse than cousins... They're siblings 🦁.
I appreciate that you don't shy away from "adult" words. A lot of other channels with similar content feel like they've been run through a censoring machine, sucking all the realism out of them and making them feel immature.
The ship was way cooler than the stupid plane anyway hello
Also a hijacking a plane would even seem somewhat illogical since they SHOULD have had a spaceship lying around somewhere. As Jumba said they didn't walk all the way to earth. They actually know how to fly the spaceship too opposed to a just stolen plane.
@@Cheshiregrinn91 Unless they dropped off the insane flight risk scientist to keep him from running away
@@christopherjones8448 - Isn't that part of the reason why they sent someone with Jumbo?
@@Dreamheart101 They sent a scrawny bug weirdo who was half his size. What was he gonna do to stop him?
"Joomba"
And "Gahntu"
Much rage was had. Why don't people look up how to say a characters name before they talk in length about them...
4:24 Well, going off real life, they wouldn't just be cousins, they'd be siblings.
Oh my god were these dark (for me specifically, the Zootopia one)
...What's racist about asking if people know a language though? She's a little girl in a state that has its own language beside English. There's every possibility she may not be fluent in English. I'm not white, I wouldn't mind if someone asked me what languages I knew.
I WOULD raise my brows, however, if they DID assume I knew English. Like every person on the Earth is just supposed to know your language. And most people would say that's racist too.
So a white guy assumes someone doesn't know English, he's racist. He assumes someone DOES know English, he's racist. Doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't.
not all white people speak English though
Do you know what tone is?
I'm white yet I've been talked down to because I understand Spanish (understand when spoken to yet working on the replying part lol) yet English is my first language. The pain of it is actually pretty hurtful when you have it done to you by someone else.
It's about racial profiling and making assumptions about people by their appearance. If someone in Hawai'i assumes white people speak English but people of color probably don't, then that difference in treatment is noticed and considered prejudicial and demeaning. The fact that Lilo was absolutely unshocked (and unflattered) showed it was far from her first time being treated that way, and resigned silence showed she was long past expecting that treatment to change.
The issue of making harmful superficial judgments about other people from a position of societal privilege was eventually a core theme of Zootopia (the theatrical version).
@@dermotmacflann Thinking someone who has a certain appearance might not speak English is not demeaning. Only about 75% of native small children in Hawaii speak English, with that percentage slightly lower for people who aren't white, so asking whether or not Lilo speaks English actually shows more consideration towards her compared to just straight up asking where the beach is in English.
Actually, thinking that assuming someone doesn't speak English based on their appearance is racist, is more racist than having that assumption. You are implying that not speaking English is a bad quality for a child who was raised in a different cultural background in another place of the world.
"You speak English? Which way's the beach?"
"You're on a fucking island. Figure it out."
I know I find a comment about that
Disney hasnt made a movie I cared to see in a while
TheDarkSeraph ikr
"then again, if you lived in a world where incest was the only means of procreation, you'd might wanna jump off a cliff too."
Adam and eve, bud.
powerboyj roblox. We don't even know if Adam and Eve were real
Adam and Eve are fictional characters.
I mean, if you think about it, there probably were two people at first and they probably had to get it on. However, they were probably not related. Their kids obviously were and they had to get it on. Fact of the matter is we did that so much that we forgot we were all related. So, technically, if you're married right now, you're probably banging your "sister" so to speak.
Medachod Fucking hell
In earlier drafts of Aladdin the story was going to be a coming of age story about an impoverished youth (Aladdin) who has to come to a decision on if he's going to live an easier life of Con-Artistry (and magic wish fulfillment) or if he's going to make his own way and work to earn the things he wants. You can still see some of the aspects of this in the final cut of the movie in a few scenes. This entire plot was removed when they decided to remove his mother from the story all together in favor of the adventure questing styled story that we ended up getting.
What is life?
but a miserable pile of secrets
Dorkly and truths
Tbh, if the Lion King stayed original, it would be similar to Water Ship Down
Dorkly thats a man....
But life is that too
a sexually transmitted disease with no known cure and is always fatal
I would be Lion if I would say that I can Bear your terrible puns!
Also, that "Lilo fakes a tsunami warning" scene made it into a comic in the now discontinued Disney Adventures magazine.
The genie of the ring?
(Seven rings in hand intensifies)
The original Zootopia would have been better in my opinion
Aidan Dever At least deeper
Ah, so that's why I have different memories about several moments in Lilo & Stitch. Like, I remember the chain saw scene, the sealing shooting and the hijacking but I've never seen them recently.
It's JUMba, not Joomba.. Jumba Jookiba! You're mixing with around the vowels of his name. XD
Although, he prefers to be called an evil genius. :)
wait I remember seeing the stitch movie and the gun exploded the house did they already release that version then change it because I swear ive seen it before I dont remember the chain saw thoe
The gun exploding the house is what happened, what they changed is Stitch cutting the gas line.
bonnievoiceactor but did the oroginal vhs tape have the gun because I swear I saw a gun when I was a kid
+josh greg I think you misunderstood me. The gun was never taken out it's in all versions of the movie.
bonnievoiceactor ok ya now I get what you mean I wasnt sure when I watched the video if thats what they ment. Thank you have a good one
You think that concept for Zootopia was weird? It was going to be a spy movie at one point.
*A SPY MOVIE!* With *Bunny James Bond*!
I Acctully like the idea of Woody being a jerk
Idk