I interviewed the Indonesian government about Malaysia...
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- I met a government official while in Jakarta and was invited to interview them about Malaysia, as well as a few other things. I filmed this months ago and debated on whether or not to upload it. For me it was interesting and it's not meant to stir up any conflict between Indonesia and Malaysia, it's just a simple discussion. My audience is 75% Malaysian, so my intention was to make the topic relevant to my audience. I asked these questions out of my own curiosity as there's consistent internet beef in the comments between Malaysians and Indonesians. I do think it's typically harmless, like a sibling-style conflict, and I believe both sides just enjoy triggering each other online. Some of the interview is in Bahasa and I was not able to translate it, so make sure to use UA-cam's auto generated English subtitles if you need to.
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Food and cloth belong to races..like a rendang..rendang food from Malay race.There's Malay in Malaysia and Indonesia. Food not belong to country but belong to races. Simple.. The problem in Indonesia is a them making all race like jawa,Malay,dayak,bugis,tator,timur as Indonesian races..do you know what I mean.. just 1 races available there..that is Indonesia races.(The big problem). Rendang not belong tator,timur and other.It belong to malay races in Malaysia and Indonesia.
In Malaysia we separated the food..like roti canai belong to Indian ,Nasi lemak belong to Malay,Bosou belong to Dusun/Kadazan and etc.Its belong to races..not country. Very simple but Indonesian can't brain it.
Nasi goreng how Indonesian claim it,all country who have plant paddy@ rice field have fried rice.Indonesia not 1st human have paddy@rice.Nasi goreng is a Malay Language races from Sumatera and Peninsular Malaysia.Before independent Sumatera and Peninsular Malaysia belong to Malay land and Sultan as a king.Many Malay King before this 2 country independent but all the Sultan in Sumatera and Kalimantan was murdered by Indonesian 1st politic group in 1940.
Actually, the original Indonesian languages is Malay but them rebrand@rename it to Indonesia. In Sumpah Pemuda 1928..them declare Malay Language as a unifying language between many races there and rename it as Indonesia language.Indonesia is a name of country not races or language. Before independence Johor(Malaysia) ,Riau (Indonesia), Lingga (Indonesia) rules by 1 Malay Sultan. And 1st Indonesia dictionary wrote by Raja Ali Haji and he is Malay from Riau. Thats Malay dictionary.
@@zigfxtech4940 that is true i know but some little people here not know,why this western care about US, just come back where you came from
@@zigfxtech4940 Malaysia and Indonesia is friend right and share culture and food that is good, not the western b4stard trying to make video like this,IM from Java i have my own language, i also understand your language, sorry i mean western language
After watching this videos, thank god i'm born and raised in Malaysia. Completely blessed ❤
It seems like the Indonesian government has a bit of a mentality that spills over into the people, which is a shame. There's this ongoing struggle to accept that Malaysia has its own unique culture, just like Indonesia does. It’s puzzling! Take batik, for instance. Malaysian batik and Indonesian batik have their own distinct styles, and the same goes for rendang. The flavors are completely different, and that’s perfectly okay!
Honestly, I’ve never heard the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese squabbling over who owns a particular dish. They share similar foods but celebrate them without contention. Look at kimbap and sushi-sure, they have similarities, but instead of arguing, there's a mutual respect for each culture's contributions. It’s silly how Indonesian folks feel the need to compete over every little detail with Malaysia.
We’re just not interested in that rivalry. We share so much with our neighbors, like certain dishes with Thailand and Singapore, but there’s no bickering. Instead, it’s all about enjoying our differences rather than feeling insecure. It would be wonderful if we could embrace that spirit and recognize that diversity enriches us all!
We're not in the game of competing with Indonesia. Our focus is on what's ahead, not what's behind us. We aim to learn from the more developed countries rather than dwell on those still catching up. It’s all about progress and setting our sights on brighter horizons!
Please Indonesia this is so annoying!
Then there’s something else I wanted to mention. They brought up Bali-oh my goodness, the culture there! It’s fascinating how much of it draws inspiration from India, yet they proudly claim it as their own. What’s intriguing is that they don’t shy away from this; they embrace it as a part of their identity. Honestly, it just baffles me! How can they adopt elements from another culture and assert that it is uniquely theirs? It’s amusing in a way, reflecting a mindset that's quite different from what I’m used to. It really makes you think about the complexities of cultural identity, doesn’t it?
Well said. Couldn’t agree more 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
100%
They have nothing much to do and don't know what's important to do. They do have dreams but never know how to achieve them. They may see a way but don't know where it leads to. They never know that they are at lost. They never know what they should know 😂😂😂
Batik variants, wayang variants, nasi goreng variants are not the issue. The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claim the ORIGIN of Batik, Rendang, Cendol. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
We can see even their government representatives have this kind mentality. No wonder this issue will never end 9:14
Well said..no wonder their !Q below 78🤭🤭🤭
The same can be said about their Ambassador in the consulate in KL. They have this 'afraid to lose out' mentality, especially to MAS. It's like, we can lose out to everybody else in this whole wide world, but not to MAS. Only MAS. It's a BIG NO, NO to them. Never.
I guess their envy towards MAS stemed out from the historical days of their 1st President, Sukarno during the 60's. Sukarno was fiercy - against the formation of the new country, Malaysia. He was so pissed off that he invaded and tried to conquer the Peninsula, Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei, and Singapore, like he did onto the islands of Sumatera/Acheh, Kalimantan, Sulawesi, Riau, Bali, Lombok, Ternate, Papua, and the rest of the Indon islands. Thank god, Sukarno failed miserably, that time. Today, after various nations gained their independents, the remnants of the 'BIG BROTHER' and envious attitude towards MAS still persist in the thick skulls of many Indons. Sad to say, but that's the reality now.
Never argued with idiot😂😂😂😂😊😊
@@Bunggil Afraid to lose out / competitiveness is good because it breeds innovation. This is straight up being resentful, because they never raise these issues with other countries variants of similar culture.
Ben, I would like to propose for your next interview section with the Indonesian Goverment as to why its citizens are flocking to Malaysia to work and why their goverment does not prevent its citizens from leaving the country to work as well as why no action taken by their goverment to prevent their citizen from entering the neighbouring country without a valid work permit ...such questions is more suitable for you to know more why their citizens love our country so so much..Ben, you should avoid provocative questions that could increase tension between both citizens....
They don't say it but Indonesia is using the Malay language version of Indonesian right now. They could have chosen Javanese or Sunda or something else. Instead they chose the Riau language which is Malay and part of the Johor-Riau language, instead of Javanese or other more Indonesian languages. Peace from the Philippines 😊
Iya. Dah guna lansung takde kredit untuk malaysia. Sepatutnya bahasa melayu-indonesia atau loghat indonesia. Klaim terus bahasa indonesia. Jarang sekali aku dengar orang malaysia heboh. Sbb tak penting pun untuk kita. Sampai dia batik lah, wayang kulit lah. Semua nak pertikai. Dasar mindset kelas ketiga
Ngl Javanese is kinda complicated plus during Dutch East Indies times, Malay are more used before nationalized/Standardized it into Indonesian from Riau Malay
@@RodrigoJ-x4l Some one is taking their homework seriously. Thank you for the lesson
Wayang kulit di Kelantan Masih ada dilestarikan begitu juga diperlis. Dangkalnya pengetahuan tradisi orang desa. Begitu juga batik tetap Masih digiatkan di pantai Timur Semenanjung Dan Sarawak.
Still it's Riau Malay in Indonesia, not Malaysian Malay. Stop fantasizing 280 mil Indonesians are speaking like KL-Malay people, will never happen.
I feel like having a conversation with school kids.
Exactly.. With the kids at the lowest class of the school.
agreed 100%
IQ🦍🦍🦍
We are at a different wavelength with them, so don't waste our time arguing with them..
What kind of mentality they have, its 2025 and they still talking about the same issues. Grow up and see the world. Otherwise, will be left behind.
Typical sectarian mentality
Orang besar atau atasan sama level pemikirannya sama rakyatnya
well said. mereka sombong tak bertempat. pemikiran big brother
Mereka tak nak kalah sebernya merka rasa tercabar degan malaysia dari pelbagai aspek...jadi merka sentiasa akan mencari kesalahan walau sekecil apa pon..percaya la merka tahu merka suda sangat ketingalan degan malaysia...merka ne dah terkena penyakit aien...penyakit hati merka kata kita claim itu ini...tu budaya bali budaya hindu dari india merka claim dari merka🤷 jelas kedatang hidu di indonesia berasal dari india...mengapa merka claim dari merka budaya tu😀😀
betul..saya sangat terkejut..selalu bilang menurut saya..for your imformation batik itu ada di jepun ..china..malaysia dan indonesia..while gamelan itu muzik hebat dimainkan di istana terutama kelantan dan terengganu..and the last one..wayang kulit itu adalah perkara biasa untuk rakyat dikelantan dan terengganu and southern thailand not only indonesia..
Terkejut tgk pemikiran org atasan dorang...😱😱
kalau beginilah level pemikiran mereka, saya yakin Indonesia jangan bermimpi untuk jadi negara maju sedangkan otak masih kuno.
What kind of mentality is this? They still stuck in the 1960s. We don't care where the food comes from, as long as it's delicious, we just eat it.
Ben, they cannot accept the fact that customs and traditions also exist in other countries. Their thinking style is different. Imagine they are government officials who have such a way of thinking.
The definition of their claim is the cultural origin or sometimes interchangeable with ownership, but the definition of neighboring countries is traditional practices adopted from ancestral heritage without borders.
Hidup Dalam denial...hasil ajaran bung karno...patriotik tidak bertempat
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@@mohddaudserbang3249 Patriotik baik, nasionalistik kurang baik
They were lie since day 1..they thought they fought and won..but actually many died pointlessly..ducth too strong for primitive indo soldier.. lucky america love humanity and have superhero complex to save indo and demand ducth to give them independence
@@mugiwaragang The bullshit is, their first president even become romusha"paid conscripted laborer" for japan, even shouting "BANZAI" how come indonesian can choose this man as their first president...crazy
Don't waste your time to watch, all of us know what their answers going to be .. fact is nobody likes to be second best. Perhaps the video is best for Ben alone to learn more.
Yes.. the topic about culture is not necessary. It’s a provocative question.
Wonder why you want to ask? Just to create uneasiness among us?
Agree. This intvw is unnecessary. We don't need others to validate. So long we go by the intl rules and being recognised by intl bodies accordingly. I hope our Malaysian government won't entertain such a cheap intvw.
It's ok for Ben to ask provocative questions. We can get first hand answer from the Indonesian officials. It's not to create uneasiness. We are all mature enough to tackle this issue. If its not Ben, the konoha youtubers will do a post on it on their youtube channels.
@@AsrafMohamad-vq6lp The most dissapointing takeaway that I get from this discussion is that their higher-ups has similar mentality as their keyboard warrior.
I really thought it was only guys that spend too much time on the internet & didn't have anything worthwhile to do that that mindset...
Purely for nos. of viewing knowing how the viewers from seberang is like😆
majority of Malaysian acknowledged the shared culture we have. Batik Malaysia, Batik Indonesia, Wayang Kulit Kelantan, Wayang kulit Indonesia. Similar but not entirely the same. The region is not called the Malay Archipelago for no reason. Anyway, these representatives both young and old, doesn't seem to be a good fit to discuss this matter. But it a way, it does represent perhaps what majority there are thinking.
I've never heard "INDON ARCHIPELAGO"😂 can't imagine that sound so weird bro hahaha😅
we malaysian never bother to make a fuss out of everything.... they should learn history of the Malay Archipellago before the existence of Indonesia in 1947 and Malaysia in 1957...we appreciate the common things amongst both countries but not them..
Couldn't agree more 👍💯🎯✅️
Totally agreed. Maybe they only learn history from sukarno stuck with "ganyang malaysia" mentality. It is so embarrassing 😂
Can you imagine that? "INDON ARCHIPELAGO"? Or "INDIA ISLAND ARCHIPELAGO" Sound so weird bro😂😅 because that time "BANGSA INDON" doesn't exist yet hahahahah
from another comment, they never learnt anything about the Malay Archipelago. In their history, it is Nusantara. They never learn the history of Malacca. They only learn Majapahit til it becomes Indonesia. They don't even learnt that once Riau - Lingga was under the sultanate of Johor as Johor- Riau - Lingga . They only learn Riau - Lingga as part of Indonesia.
i tell you what, wayang kulit & batik in my hometown of Kelantan there are active members of wayang kulit players not from Javanese people and big batik industry.
i dont deny Indonesia also have their own wayang kulit & batik but i embrace their version of the 2 things without any issue.
too bad their goverment officials have that mentality, no wonder the citozens have sinilar mindset.
Wayang kulit is part of Kelantanese culture, to the extend our own Kelantanese-chinese is so passionate with it, has been a famous tok karut in Kelantan (tok karut means storyteller - their ancestor came as a trader before Portuguese and other colonizers came to Malaya).
Question - Did malay Kelantanese claimed the culture belongs to them only and refrain the chinese to enjoy the entertainment? Definitely NO, as we love to live in harmony, especially with the warm and proud Kelantanese. Our neighbour at the north also never claim siamese culture because we share the same culture. The thing is, our relatives in Sumatra also never say anything about the culture similarity but those who live far away from the Peninsular Malaysia, who never even set foot in Sumatra LOVE to show hatred and they wanted to ganyang Malaysia even though their politician who incite the hatred sentiment has already dead.
They should learn the history before the existence of Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore about the culture that existed as a result of migration before the countries gained independence. Malaysian citizens are from the Malay, Javanese, Banjar, Minangkabau, Pattani ethnic groups including from the ethnic groups of Sabah, Sarawak and others. That is why the culture, customs and languages of Malaysia and Indonesia are almost the same. That means they are related.
definitely...indeed
offsyed.. tak pa dan tak perlu sangat lah encik.. kita biarkan aje apa mereka na buat.. kita relax aje. tak yah lah kita rajin sangat nak suruh mereka buat itu ini belajar itu ini. mereka sama saja. nanti tuhan akan tunjukn kpd dunia perangai mereka juga.
The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
Malaysia always repeats the same statement that they are part of the history of the archipelago. Unfortunately, it is true, so you guys always use it to claiming other countries' cultures.
Realize that the modern world was formed based on the history of colonialism. We are geographically separated between different colonizers.
Respect the geography then you can start to learn and appreciate not claiming other countries' cultures.
@@wakyIIsrnobody in Malaysia claims the origin of any culture with unclear origin. We're just appreciating the cultures that we have and practice since long, long ago..
Paris or Jakarta? I see 2 Eiffel Towers as background and yet they are so proud of their identity.
Funny and this is shown worldwide in an Indonesian government office, the Eiffel tower 🗼 picture and miniature model on the fridge. Now we know how dumb Indonesians are
Exactly my thought! LMFAO
We got Australian Malay, Brunei Malay, Singaporean Malay, Thailand Malay, Malaysia Malay. They are fine and don't mind to share our same culture.
Only Indonesian got issue with it. As a Malay, its really annoying to hear about this topic from Indonesian perspective.
Kepada orang Indonesia yang membaca komen ini, saya ingin bertanya, Sejarah Indonesia yang diajar disekolah bermula tahun berapa? Adakah Kepulauan Melayu atau Nusantara atau Malay Archipelago termasuk dalam Sejarah yang diajar? Saya bertanya ikhlas ingin tahu.
yaa ada satu yaitu ''Ganyang... Malaysiaa"" mungkin tidak hari ini tapi suatu hariii
Hope they can understand since many cant speak or read english in Indo
Jujur cakap, mcm dorang ni tak diajar sejarah dunia. Their mentality still stuck right there even government staff 😅
Suku melayu bagian dari suku daerah di😂 NUSANTARA, karna NUSANTARA udah ada sebelum namanya Indonesia & Malaysia, kalian itu hanya bagian dari NUSANTARA jadi, jangan sok besar dulu😂
@@YoanShaputraathats y...budaya hampir sama ..bukan ditiru...knp menteri2 kamu tidak bijak...x boleh fikir mantang ke?
patutlah, orang yang di atas pon ade pemikiran begitu.. jadi tidak pelik lah kalau rakyatnya juga ade pemikiran begitu..
tidak salah berkongsi budaya & agama..
😂😂😂 baru Tau ker yg menteri2 dorang pun mindset mcm tu 😂😂😂
@@ruzedotter1505 itu lah, kita as malaysian ni jarang nak bercakap & cari tau pasal diorang.
diorang yang berlebih-lebih suka compare dengan kita,
tapi sumpah la terkejut bila dapat tau menteri2 dorang ade mindset begitu.
selama ni aku ingat rakyatnya je ..
so, sekarang dah tau la sape yang jadi minyak dalam pembakaran isu2 ni..😅
Nampak sangat fikiran atasan dorang kolot....
@@harunizalbinabdhalimkpm-gu8250 Kita punya la sangka baik, rupanya betul sampai tahap pemimpin suka mengapi-apikan lagi.. sepatutnya neutralkan keadaan, agak2 la awak tu wakil negara
Rasa macam tak percaya ..tahap macam ni orang dalam kerajaan diorang 😂😂 pengetahuan ke laut
2025 dah pun tapi otak masih ditakuk yg lama
Sbb tu otak mereka kelas ketiga...makanan budaya tu di bawa oleh bangsa itu sendiri...tidak kira di bawa ke negara mana...bukan ditiru...
Warga ‘barbar’
Kalau pemimpin, dan yg terpelajar berfikiran seperti begini..
Patut la rakyat indonesia lebih lagi...tidak terfikirkah kita serumpun dan ada banyak persamaan...
Batik jawa ,batik Trengganu, batik kelantan..wayang kulit kelantan, wayang kulit jawa, wayang kulit Thailand..
Dan mcm mcm lagi...rendang utara ( kedah), rendang negeri sembilan, rendang indonesia...
Itu semau budaya kita serumpun melayu..
Bahasa juga hampir sama..
Adakah nak claim setiap perkataan...
Contoh ..perkataan tangan, kaki..takkan nak claim indonesia punya..
Kan itu bahasa serumpun melayu nusantara yg telah tepecah menjadi Indonesia, malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, selatan Thailand
Wayang variants, Keris variants, Batik variants, nasi goreng variants are not the issue -- in fact they're propagated during Majapahit Empire's reign. The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Wayang, Keris, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
@@wakyIIsr
The same comment u said again,that means your IQ so poor,so it's true that over the world people demands the IQ of the Indonesian citizen is 78%....bla..bla..
@@wakyIIsrwhat a shame, everyone can say this and that is ours. Give the link what you hv said we Malaysia claimed the origin is Malaysia. Please talk about the fact not hoax. Sorry to say, what a low mentality 😂
@@wakyIIsr If we go before that, Majapahit Empire's culture itself is a propagation of India (& slightly China) culture, but distinct enough to call it their own.
If we're going by your logic, Indonesia can't claim any of their own culture either.
@@hanshen3588exactly
Majority of Indonesians do not know that there are hundreds of countries exist outside of Indonesia.
Malaysia choose the Islamic culture over what's left behind by their ancestors.
And on era of globalization they realise that it's not unique and people choose middle east rather than them.
And guess what?
They choose the easy way stealing their neighbour cultures who's nurtured and passed down over the years.
Yup.. they always thought that the world only evolved around them. Tsktsktsk
@@fazilrazak3909 ya tidaklah, sejak jaman dulu Indonesia sudah berinteraksi dengan India, Cina dan Arab. 3 tamadun tua di dunia. Jadi tidak mungkinlah kami tidak tahu negara2 lain
Perkataan anda jelas menganggap Indonesia adalah negara kelas rendah...itu sudah menjelaskan mutu anda kemungkinan juga mutu rakyat mly walaupun berpendidikan tinggi
@ emang kelas rendah.. kalian lihat aja video diatas.. ditanya soalan mengenai IKN aja ga bisa jawab dengan cerdas.. apa menubuhkan kota baru boleh menyelesaikan banyak masalah? LOL. using english like 3 years old.
Di Thailand selatan kawasan melayu pun ada wayang kulit wak
Konoha kalau pergi thailand,jumpa orang thailand kok boleh berbahasa indonesia😂😂😂padahal mereka guna bahasa melayu fathoni...
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The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Wayang, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
Low IQ statement copy paste everywhere 😂 @@wakyIIsr
wak itu kurang membaca .. bicaranya ikut selera dia..😅
There is saying...
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people...
Usually I love watching your video... But for this specific video. I have to pause and just drop this comment. It's too cringe to continue. No hate and everything... Just shout out to our jiran tetangga. 👋🏽
Malaysia choose the Islamic culture over what's left behind by their ancestors.
And on era of globalization they realise that it's not unique and people choose middle east rather than them.
And guess what?
They choose the easy way stealing their neighbour cultures who's nurtured and passed down over the years.
I couldnt agree more
small indeed 🤣🤣
What a poor explanation by those officers. Totally lack of knowledge about history and culture.
Ben, for your info the malay archipelago consist of southern Thailand, whole Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei and Philippines. This malay archipelago known to be one region of culture. For hundreds of years, people are moving back and forth from sumatra or java to Malaysia and they practicing their culture in new place. Malaysia NEVER claim those thing to be ours. We just promoting as part of our culture.
Is like Italy condemned USA of promoting pizza because italian descent in USA are cooking pizza.
Promotion of Batik variants, wayang variants, nasi goreng variants are not the issue. The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Wayang, Keris, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
@@wakyIIsr i think his argument is valid, like USA promoting burger even its from Germany or US claim English as their own not from UK. Does this even makes sense? Why claming issues rise between country at first place? This never a thing in Malaysia or this just Indonesian thing that rise from jelousy.
@@MrGergasikuat it's the other way around, show me on what place in Malaysia you're using that "cultures" lmao
@@multatuli1 There is no Nusantara prior to 20th century LOL only malay archipelagos. Malay Archipelagos was mentioned long before Portugues invasion of Malacca.. In1869, Alfred Wallace used the term "Malay Archipelago" as the title of his influential book documenting his studies in the region.
@@wakyIIsr culture should belong to people not country.. no wonder indonesia are lowest iq in asia... even your officer cannot speak in english and explain well even in bahasa melayu indonesia.... so pity of u
Maaf kalau penyataan saya ini salah atau menyinggung perasaan negara jiran. Harus di ingat Malaysia adalah sebuah negara yang didiami oleh berbagai suku, kaum dan bangsa samada lokal atau imigran pada awal Abad ke 12 & 14. Bangsa-bangsa seperti melayu asli,melayu Patani,cina, India,portugis, jawa, minang,banjar bugis,riau,dayak dan berbagai suku di Borneo (Sabah dan Sarawak). Bilamana ada populasi penduduk berbilang bangsa, bahasa Dan budaya sudah pasti setiap kaum ini ingin menunjulkan identiti bangsa mereka kepada dunia agar dikenali dan dihargai. Persoalannya sekarang, apakah menjadi kesalahan jika Malaysia mengklim budaya dan adat resam penduduknya yang tinggal 600 ke 800 tahun lalu dan kini diiktiraf sebagai bangsa/rakyat Malaysia?. Apakah juga menjadi perdebatan jika budaya dan adat suku dayak(Iban) di Sarawak di klim sebagai milik satu negara?. Mengapa baru sekarang menjadi perdebatan setelah melihat negara lain berjaya menaikan martabat budaya dan bangsa sesuatu kaum. Janganlah kacang lupakan kulit. Ingat dulu Malaysia pernah menjadi pengeksport kayu balak, getah dan kelapa sawit terbesar didunia. Tapi setelah negara lain turut mengeluarkan produk yang sama, maka kini siapa pula pengeluar yang terbesar. Apakah Malaysia marah setelah hasil produknya di tiru@di saingi.Belajarlah mengurus dan memanafaat kekayaan bumi sendiri untuk kesenangan rakyat daripada bangga dengan budaya dan adat tapi rakyatnya Masih melarat.❤❤🎉
Coba kau klaim kimono itu pakaian Malaysia barangsiapa punya Malaysia,,
Yang kau usik selalu Indonesia
Tradisi perkebunan kelapa sawit itu berasal dari Afrika yang dibawa Belanda pada masa penjajahan dan kami tidak serta merta bilang tradisi perkebunan kelapa sawit adalah milik Indonesia.
Kayu balak itu kayu balok? Bukannya itu tradisi seluruh umat manusia? Kalaupun Malaysia pernah pengeksport kayu balak terbesar lalu kenapa? Kayu balak sudah ada sejak jaman dahulu kala lagi
@@redzuantaroh3650 getah karet pun sudah ada di Indonesia sebelum merdeka.
@@MuchammadKafikau kaji sejarah dulu. Bukan Indonesia tu wujud dah lama. Korang tu minda tk buka luas. Asal ada kat Indo terus kata claim. Padahal belajar sejarah duluuu baru tahu. Budaya itu bukan milik negara, milik sesebuah kaum.
Have you seen the videos Malaysia vs Indonesia . 'Malaysia tidak pernah klaim budaya Indonesia, Part 1 to 7'. The videos contained discussions between the Culture Minister of Indonesia, Indonesians culture experts, university students regarding this topic. It gives us the answers where Malaysian national athem, dangdut, some folks songs, keroncong etc came from. The discussion was good and showed the students were opened minded and had commented on their government attitude towards preserving their own culture.
Great & interesting 👏
This is so surprising how even Government Official have this level of mentality in Indonesia. God damn you are the representative of Indonesia and you have this low type of mentality? And also they can’t even answer it in English just show how low their level compared to Malaysia
IQ78
Yup brain cant learn english but have ego like they know everything
Nampak sgt SDM rendah. Cakap tak guna fakta. Pak, wayang kulit juga ada di negeri Kelantan!
also available in Vietnam,Cambodia and Thailand since a thousand years ago ..
YESSSSSSS
yes sdmnya majoriti 78 only so fhm2 sjalah...
Wayang variants, Batik variants, nasi goreng variants are not the issue. The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Wayang, Keris, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
@@wakyIIsrjadi kamu nak beritahu yang wayang kulit thailand, kemboja dan lain2 pun dari Indonesia la?
all Malays in malaysia know which culture is origin from Indonesia,yet some culture well preserved in Malaysia (some not all) based on their ancestry root of practices that migrated hundred years ago. Malays Culture also can be trace back from Kampochea,thailand,indonesia and Arab or Islamic Teaching. Some culture are not being practice anymore due to Islamic Traditions and Teaching. But claim issues is not a thing for Malaysian actually,some claim is from Malaysia auhtority based on their research and sometime we dont even know such a claim happened yet make Indonesian got angry. To us,culture is a part of our life but to those Muslim that have the culture as long its permissible by Islam theyre continue the practices. The rage of Indonesian to handle the debates sometime over react. We malays always tenang tenang and rilek..
@@OrnamentLab The different between us and them is that they never acknowledge Malaysian roots. I wonder if they understand what 'heritage' mean is.
We Malaysian don't care about the small things like that. If you feels what we have is yours, you can take it. 😂😂
Move on, bro. Get out of petty matters; the future is endless. Look at China-they no longer claim that black powder is their original invention. What they do is compete and try to do better.
Damn. Beat me to it.
Not sure where you pluck "China-they no longer claim that black powder is their original invention", but global historians acknowledge that gunpowder originated in Chinese invention of saltpeter in fireworks. Just like today UNESCO acknowledges the origin of Batik, Keris, Wayang, etc is in Indonesia.
I would like to share some of important point here.. what ever being said in this engagement.. it really doesn't matter on who's claims who on food or culture etc .. we are once a Malay Archeopelego before the Portuguese before the dutch or before British.. that's why I every corner of this region shared the same value of food and culture in many ways .. but one thing I would like to all the viewers ponder ..why is if the current mindset of Indonesian so proud claiming the Javanese superior culture in Indonesian..then why aren't the Indonesian use the Jawa Language as the national language instead the Indonesian use the Malay Language as we speak now.. hmm I wonder how does the Indonesian able to claim on that. So the moral of the story and lesson to be learn by the Indonesian.. stop claiming and comparing with others fellow neighbors country ..we are actually the same kind of society from Thailand to Brunei to Singapore Malaysia to timor Leste even to the Philippines..
Let it be... that is typical lndons.. claim to be superior on everything. I'm not surprised if one of these days they claim Jkta is more developed than S'pore, London or New York
For them the earth exist starting 1940s
The origin of everything must come from them. That is what they want.😅😅😅
I am too shocked government staff can say like that. I dont know what they learn at school, college or universities. What a mentality😂
Hummmm I don't want to say much, but we can all see their IQ level.
Org2 Melayu di Malaysia juga sama .... adat & budaya adalah warisan nenek moyang yg dibanggakan. Budaya wayang kulit dilestarikan oleh masyarakat Kelantan
Batik .. juga tradisi & budaya di Malaysia. Tetapi tidak menafikan ia juga tradisi & budaya di Indonesia. Masing2 ada ciri khas
Betul sangat dan dapat di terima akal👍👍🎯💯@@Kartalaksana
As Malaysians, we deeply respect our neighboring countries with whom we share cultural and historical ties. However, for some reason, Malaysia often becomes the target of accusations from our neighbors. In reality, relations between nations should be based on the spirit of brotherhood, mutual respect, and an understanding that our histories and cultures are interconnected.
Translation?!? Looks like Ben’s audience is now 99% Malaysian? I really want to understand the answers to Ben’s questions. I am an American/Russian Muslim and I am attracted to a possible Immigration to Indonesia or Malaysia. Except I don’t know the language 😞
The crux of the issue is: 1) Malaysia uses constitution's Article 160 (2) to define Mamak, Rohingya, Minang, Bugis, Jawa, Banjar as Malays, and force everyone to speak Bahasa Melayu, while
2) Indonesia defines Minang, Bugis, Sunda, Jawa, Batak, Banjar and Malays as individual ethnic/suku, and use Bahasa Indonesia to absorb all ethnic's vocabularies to unite 280 million citizens.
These 2 distinct definitions were taught in schools. Consequently, Malaysians today do not understand this fundamental difference; hence Malays would think that Angklung musical instrument belongs to Malays in Malaysia. While in Indonesia everyone knows that Angklung belongs to the Sundanese. Even the Javanese dare NOT to claim Angklung or Rendang, because every ethnicity celebrates and respects each other's creation & achievement.
Peace. Promote Love & Understanding, because there's too much hate in today's world.
I heard/read bout this somewhere, but you wrote it eloquently.
Indonesial Mentality When Lose Argument Since When Rohingya,And Mamak Became Bumiputera
@@sayfolman7752 Senarai Mamak-Melayu yg terkenal di Malaysia 👇
Di Malaysia, India Muslim juga dikenali sebagai Mamak, DKK, Keling dan Jawi Peranakan.
Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al Bukhari, Zainuddin Mydin, Siti Nurhaliza binti ‘Thaarudeen’, Hakim Haidar Mohd Noor, Ahmad Nawab, Akbar Nawab, P Ramlee, Man Bhai, Tan Sri Elyas Omar, Tan Sri Abul Hassan, semua mereka adalah dari keturunan India Muslim. Tan Sri CM Yusuf, speaker pertama parliament Malaysia adalah mamak. Begitu juga pengerusi tetap UMNO Tan Sri Sulaiman ‘Ninam’ Shah. ‘Ninam’ adalah singkatan untuk ‘Naina Mohamed’.
Sudah baca? >> Article 160 of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia defines a Malay as an individual who professes the religion of Islam, habitually speaks the Malay language, and conforms to Malay customs.
I think they're fixating over trivial issues. I guess it's a reflection of their mentality.
Malaysia lives rent free in their collective minds.
Indonesia was created in 1947.
Our culture is much much older than that. It is a shared culture that pre dates the formation of Indonesia.
Honestly Ben, Ask them the historical fact how Indonesia was formed,They want to claim everything whilst Batik,Wayang Kulit originate from India,Nasi Goreng you csn get everywhere..Batik is found in other counyries not just Indonesia,Only Kelantan have wayant Kulit so does Thailand..
And Egypt have Batik too.. is that come from indon?😂😅
That's nice bro! That's good you uploaded it. It's interesting to see different peoples mind sets
indonesians mindset...
Hi Solo! We missed you
@@Lala63-r8o hey, I'm still online posting videos 😃
Ben; im disappointed with you. Clickbait on your part; this claim conversation is nonsensical. Long before the nationstates of Malaysia and Indonesia exists, our people were one- refer to the name i.e the Malay archipelago. Of course people moved and migrated between these isles taking their food; language and culture with them. Hence the similarities now. Im Malaysian but my ancestors hailed from Sumatera and Kalimantan; which are now Indonesia. Of course; i would be eating rendang; wearing batik ; speaking Malay....so what! this is my culture too inherited from my ancestors. Culture do not belong to nation states; they belong to a group of people who practice them...
I feel like the Indonesian representatives are contradicting themselves when they answer the questions. "We come from one root, therefore we share the same cultural, historical background. "Why do the Malaysians claim that they have Wayang Kulit, it only comes from some part of The Javas of Malaysia." Like ?????? im confused.
The representative cakap Wayang Kulit hanya terdapat di segelintir area of Malaysia dan Wayang Kulit boleh didapati di majoriti of Indonesia. So, apa yang dia nak sampaikan is Wayang Kulit tu bukan sebahagian daripada culture of Malaysia lah? tak paham aku diorang ni HAHAHA
@@ARI-cm4wv low iq haha what are we supposed to expect from em
@@ARI-cm4wv low iq haha what are we supposed to expect from em
@@ARI-cm4wv di Vietnam .Cambodia Thailand pon ada wayang kulit sejak ribu tahun lalu kenapa mereka tak persoalkan ?? sedangkan asal usul jawa pun dari Kelantan ..
Akar Wayang Kulit 🇮🇳🇨🇳 MenDunia ke 🇹🇷🇹🇭🇰🇭🇲🇾🇮🇩
Apabila orang yang tak ada apa apa dan tahap pelajaran dan pengetahuan mereka secetek air dalam jamban mereka tak suka berkongsi dengan orang lain. Malah cemburu pula dengan saudara yang lebih berada dan dengki pula kerana saudara yang lebih berada dan maju mendapat warisan yang sama dari leluhur.
Both countries play important roles in Southeast Asia and contribute significantly to the region's growth, development and geopolitical importance.
Both have their strengths, challenges and unique characteristics.
To me such debate can be unproductive even harmful in certain aspects. Most Malaysian will avoid these kind of topics to avoid division or misunderstandings.
Instead of debating its better and more productive to focus on collaborating, learn from each other and work together for regional development.
Lihat laa Indonesian cetek pengatahuannya tentang budaya negara jirannya. SEBAB ITU IQ NYA LEVEL 78 😂😂😂😂.
Totally agreed..
The ONLY reason why they are like that is pure jealousy. They are envious that their neighbor can be 20-30 years ahead of them in most areas of living and development .. nothing to do with with batik, wayang kulit or whatever.
jealous of a minor country? as if
@@ardiiyanz tak pandai english cakap indon je la bro. natang ape minor country
The truth is, we don't really care about Indonesia. It's not MY level 😉
Its actually nothing good or bad to compare ..every country has their own strength and weaknesses based on cultures, economic, etc
@Ben what u felt when talk to this people and hear their comment? i would like to hear from you perspective. 😊 i dont want to comment much but what i can say, instead of proud empowering their culture to outsiders, they like to claim everything is solely theirs. they dont embrace culture sharing, interact, crossing. its like u blame the asean countries of having kebaya, althought time to time we always explain on the differents from each country.
Most of those things the roots are of Malay origin of mainland Peninsula Malaysia aka Tanah Melayu in the Malay Archipelago era, then they brought them to their islands, same as today's where their Bibiks TKW and TKI worked here and brought back what they learned from here and they do that in back home, they claim it as theirs..later they pretend to be a victim.. 😅
Malaysia choose the Islamic culture over what's left behind by their ancestors.
And on era of globalization they realise that it's not unique and people choose middle east rather than them.
And guess what?
They choose the easy way stealing their neighbour cultures who's nurtured and passed down over the years.
@@multatuli1 only IQ 78 will feel the shameful..lol
Indonesia cannot distinguish between 'race' and 'nationality'. When they claim it as Indonesian culture, it automatically denies the culture's original race. It is very funny when a culture that exists since thousands of years ago is claimed by a country that only came into existence in 1945. 😝
Let me give you an example; When we say Indonesian language is another dialect of a Malay language. it does not refer to Malaysia. It refers to the Malay race in general who have lived in this area (Malay Archipelago) since thousands of years ago. It's just that now we are divided by national borders (Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar).
It same goes to Batik. Indonesian batik is Javanese batik. Don't claim it belongs to Indonesia because in Malaysia there is also Javanese. And don't forget Malays also have their own batik which is very different from Javanese batik. These are just a few examples and this matter will not be resolved if Indonesians cannot distinguish between 'race' and 'nationality'.
@@sirhan3306 suku melayu, suku jawa, suku bugis, minang, aceh, batak, sunda, madura, bali, manado, maluku, makasar, lombok, dll adalah saudara sebangsa setanah air Indonesia. Suku melayu adalah salah satu etnik yang ada di Indonesia. Negara Indonesia adalah milik rakyat, dari rakyat dan untuk rakyat. Pemimpin Indonesia dari pemimpin daerah sampai pusat wajib dan harus orang Indonesia asli. Indonesia gak pernah denies original culture dari etnik etnik yg ada di negara kami kak. Secara politik negara malaysia dan Indonesia itu gak sama dan gabisa di samakan kak. Yang anehnya kenapa malaysia selalu meributkan negara kami. Kami gak pernah ganggu malaysia loh.
Apa bedanya dengan Uighur ? Memiliki budaya , bahasa, makanan , serta pakaian mereka sendiri . Kaum yang sudah ada dari ratusan tahun lalu , saat ini di claim oleh negara yang baru berdiri 1949....( CHINA ). Apakah itu lucu ? Atau anda yang bodoh? 😂.
Terlalu banyak terdoktrin politik negara yang wajib mengedepankan Melayu 🤣, kaum asli aja di singkirkan,
Professor sejarah kalian aja bodoh itu , terlalu banyak berbicara ,tidak di dasarkan oleh data
Kamu bicara bahasa ? 😂
Jika tidak ada bahasa Indonesia, penutur bahasa Melayu tidak terlihat , contoh sundanese penutur bahasa sunda 42 million , kamu kira di keseharian mereka menggunakan bahasa Indonesia ??? Iya ? Bullshit 😂 , kehidupan sosial mereka menggunakan bahasa sunda , sama seperti bali , jawa , minang
Permasalahannya adalah , bukan kami tidak mengerti ras dan kebangsaan, kalian terlalu banyak memakan doktrin politik Melayu 😂.
Kalian seperti sebuah negara yang berdiri untuk satu kaum , tetapi kenyataannya di huni oleh berbagai kaum 😂....tidak seperti korea , Japanese. Rasa khawatir tertindas sangat besar ..... politik aja melayu 😂 ( diskriminasi kaum ) , kaum lain seperti tidak di anggap
@@unknownpeople3378 Bicara kamu aja sudah membuktikan statement aku di atas. So stupid to differ from race and nationality.
Sekarang anda tahu mr.ben. kenapa mereka suka klaim. Fikiran mereka amat Berbeza dengan masyarakat asia tenggara lainya.
Culture is so important to them until they fail to bring their country forward. Their media , influencer talks alot about us day and night. 😂😂😂😂
They never talked about history how their roots of culture was adopt from 🇮🇳🇨🇳 empires. And have similarities with 🇹🇭🇰🇭🇧🇳🇸🇬. Their media only focusing comparison with 🇲🇾 in any issues. LOL
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Minda yg cetik d perlihat drp masarakatnya yg jauh ketinggalan dari segala hal dan espack
@@jxmmynxxhIndo and India are family, their mainland root is south Asia.
Interesting interview, Ben.
Didn't expect you wld go that way to reach out to the Indonesian govt officers but good job. Now we know what some of their govt officers perspectives abt the online cultural debates.
dari atas sampai bawah iq78...duduk la koramg di level tu smp bila²
Drng bukan level kita pun.. so buang masa je nak berdebat dgn drng ni LOL
This is where the IQ level is important, there is no time to claim that and this, it is clear we speak the same language.. there are many more things ahead of us to achieve, no time for the non-sense claims.
I dont know about other Malaysian, but for me, anyone can claim whatever tradition as their's, I myself and I believe most of Malaysian do believe that it is more important that who does it better or had it better rather than who invent or where does it originated from...Talking from my personal experience, when I was in Phuket Thailand, met a guy from Australia with his local girl..As I introduce myself from Malaysia, the guy told me he like/prefer Tom Yum in Malaysia over Thais, and I was suprised..I told him that it is originally from Thai, but he already knew it, regardless he still prefer the Malaysia one...
Another example...Baklava originated from Syria, however we often found people refer it to be best from Turkey...because Turkey actually made it better, made it more, and made it famous..Yes Syria are more creative that they invented Baklava, and Turkey were more creative that they Improved the Syrian made Baklava and then able to promote it globally...so yes please Indonesia may claim everything as they want, I wouldnt mind...Often when Malaysia promote things that we produced without claiming it's origin became famous, is when it started to be an issue...to me , just let people claim whatever heritage they like to, this is our version of it and let people decide and choose the better product...
Surprise or not, chicken tikka is one of the best British food in Britain.🤣
Salam sejahtera kpd saudara2 kita di Indonesia ....
Malaysia and Indonesia are very close friendly neighbours..we should be complementing each other and work on major common interests... instead of arguing over petty issues 😅
Unfortunately they obviously know no more than petty issues 😂😂😂
happygolfcart.. kita selalu sokong dan turut berbangga dgn mereka dari dulu lgi. tpi pd mereka tak pernah cukup. munkin anda tak kenal mereka tuan. kita biarkan aje apa yg mereka na buat tuan. mereka tak kan mahu faham niat baik kita.. biarkan aje biarkanlah.
Mereka fikir malaysia ni musuh UTAMA mereka sampai kiamat...😅
Malaysia and Indonesia selalu kerjasama kepentingan bersama i.e palm oil, South china sea, Palestine, etc. This is just to kill time, and a practise for a bigger 'competitive racism' event. 😂
When discussing cultural appropriation, it's important to recognize that Indonesia and Malaysia are part of the Malay Archipelago, historically influenced by the Sri Vijaya and Majapahit empires before European colonization. As a result, it's natural for these nations to share cultural, culinary, and linguistic similarities, even as they maintain their unique regional identities. Consequently, becoming overly agitated about these issues can seem rather misguided.
For instance, the culinary parallels among China, Japan, and Korea-with distinct regional variations-demonstrate a more mature perspective compared to the views expressed in the aforementioned video. Much of the nationalistic rhetoric observed today can be traced back to the Sukarno era, particularly during the regional tensions between Indonesia and Malaysia, which may contribute to the so-called “big brother” mindset among some Indonesians. This is simply my perspective on the matter.
As a Malaysian..I agree with your statement.. because Indonesians feel they are big brothers that are the main reason they like to bully Malaysians...they even call us Malingsial (a bad thief) because they think the root of Malay Archipelago culture belongs to them.
This mentally will never change because their government will never educate their people on this issue.
My goodness. I watch all the way through... but for me, as Malaysian. I do not want to comment on nasty things, but you will be the judge. It was hard to listen throughout this video. Thanks Ben, but more preferable next video, just less about this topic because this topic is really hot😅
Malaysia choose the Islamic culture over what's left behind by their ancestors.
And on era of globalization they realise that it's not unique and people choose middle east rather than them.
And guess what?
They choose the easy way stealing their neighbour cultures who's nurtured and passed down over the years.
bukan sahaja rakyat biasa tetapi pejabat Indonesia juga masih sifat sama
Wayang kulit di Malaysia popular di Kelantan.
Actually Kedah pun popular tp tdk diketengahkn spt di Kelantan.
'Popular di Kelantan' and 'originated in Malaysia' is not the same, it's an indefensible falsehood.
'Pizza is popular in US ' and 'Pizza originated in Naples, Italy' -- is correct historically.
Honestly I dont even think about this nonsensical. I never seen anyone from Malaysia even podcast or youtube about this unless its for content. The most are Indonesian youtuber talking about their own country comparing to Malaysia. Probably the real person to ask are them who has been in Malaysia and back to Indonesia. Thats my 2 cents
what a shame goverment
6:08 malaysian wayang kulit only practiced by malaysian javanese? Is this kind your minister level of mindset. No wonder. Wayang kulit malaysia especially kelantan does not even close to wayang kulit indonesia. The closest to malaysian wayang kulit is from southern thailand style. Shadow puppet (wayang kulit) not even originate from indonesia. Its originate from china/india. Your wayang kulit even potray tales from india. From commoners to minister, all has terrible mindset. The world doesn't revolve around you Indonesia
I research this, it is practically true but there is lot of people debating over place of origin, I don't know which and which, but It is still Nusantara (Southeast Asia) culture, no Indonesia, no Malaysia, or anyone claim it completely to their one region, they have their own styles in that culture but it is still Nusantara culture. Salam dari Indonesia Melayu
Org malaysia x ada masa nak klim itu klim ini dari indonesia.. Fikiran Org malaysia sentiasa kehadapan utk terus maju kehadapan bukan kebelakang...😊❤👍👍👍🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾
I could hardly believe what I was hearing. Has the history written in Indonesia been manipulated? If this is how Indonesians think, it will be difficult for Malaysians to make peace with Indonesians.
some of these govt officials have mental block attitude...
Im surprised that the people in the goverment of Indonesia also has a small mentality among the youngsters. Not sure, could be their education has lowered down in recent years
Cuba korang Malay ultras jawab, kenapa Indonesia tak pernah klaim Nasi Kerabu, Nasi Dagang, Laksa, Nasi Ayam, Ulek Mayang? Cuba komen sikit.
@@brut3c0ck Setengah dari nama-nama tersebut hanyalah nama-nama umum, seperti nasi ayam. Seperti tidak ada yang mengklaim Ayam Goreng di dunia, karena ini adalah istilah umum dan dapat dibuat dengan cara dan gaya yang berbeda di berbagai budaya
Sebab korang tak reti buat nasi kerabu pon 😂
In fact non-Kelantanese in Malaysia who tried to “clone” nasi kerabu would only get the blue rice, but zero taste 😂
@Irishism nasi kerabu & dagang bukan nama umum. Itu makanan terengganu & Kelantan yg org jawa tak pandai masak 😂
@shhas1483 Nasi Kerbau bukanlah nama yang umum, namun yang saya maksud dengan Nasi Daging adalah namanya, bukan asal katanya, seperti kata “Daging” yang digunakan dalam bahasa lain
Sama sama di nama "ayam goreng" dan Nasi goreng di Persiapan dan gaya yang berbeda karena Indonesia dan Malaysia Melayu sama sama (Kedua bahasa standar versi Melayu). Saya harap saya mengatakannya dengan benar
@@shhas1483 tak pandai masak atau nasi kerabu & dagang memang tak famous? nobody knows these things exist outside the kampungs? That's why nobody votes or ranks "nasi kerabu & dagang" anywhere -- unlike Rendang that's voted World's #1 by CNN?
Indonesian please..grow up! From the people to higher profile individual still arguing about batik and rendang claims!!?? What a very narrow minded..move on la woi! Malaysian don't give a fck about these topics anymore because we now truly understand the history behind it. The similarities that we had in cultures and customs proves that we are all came from the same roots. From Champa, Cambodia, South Thai up to the Philippines we are all Malay people! Colonialism broke us apart! Please stop it. Let's talk about future.. EV, renewable clean energy, semi conductor..
Well said, but sadly this will never get through to them...gak bisa bahasa inggriss 🤣
@@flapsfifteen that's true..lupa pulak. Harap2 org yg plg cerdas dlm video ini bisa explain.
Before i start, forgive me about my broken English.
Please Indonesia, be rasional! Did you see every arab countries also have similar culture, food and many things. I never heard they keep claiming about food for example each other. You know what they said? "This food is popular in the middle east, we shared this heritage together".. middle east have many countries!
kinda want to see you interview a Malaysian government officials next to observe the differences in how they discuss the matter
Why interviewed the Indonesian asking opinion on Malaysia. Why not ask the Malaysian Government themselves.?
Desperate for more viewership and more subscribers! That's all.
They make it a big issue, not us
Being Malaysian, whenever our neighbor Indonesia achieves something exceptional on the global stage, or any stage. I feel proud of their accomplishments. Maybe sometimes a bit envious because we haven't done it yet, but there's never any hatred. At the recent Olympics, I was cheering on their incredible speed climbers. I had no idea they had some of the best climbers in the sport! The same goes for their technological advancements, economy, and art etc.
Ben your interview 3rd class Mentality. 😅😅😅😅
So fanny IKN copy putrajaya percayalah 50 tahun akan datang indonesia cakap malaysia copy indonesia 😂😂😂😂
Betul-betul
Celah mana dorg copy Putrajaya?, memang dorg ada kaji Top 5 capital migration in the world -- bukan hanya Putrajaya, siap kaji Washington DC, Canberra, Brasilia, Nyapidaw, etc, dan ada jumpa Mahathir for advice.
@@wakyIIsr kan maksud nye nanti 50 tahun akan dtg indonesia cakap putrajaya yg copy ikn bukan ckp putrajaya yg pertama
It seems that those Indonesian officers believe world history began only after the creation of Indonesia as a nation. They appear to deny that Indonesians have Malay roots, similar to how it would be if Nigerians refused to acknowledge that they are also African.
They never talked about history how their roots of culture was adopt from 🇮🇳🇨🇳🇳🇱 empires. And have similarities with 🇹🇭🇰🇭🇧🇳🇸🇬. Their media only focusing comparison with 🇲🇾 in any issues. LOL
we are from the same roots, of course there is a culture similarity. for your information batik and wayang kulit is not only an archipelago culture, it is also in Thailand, Korea, China, Japan and maybe in other countries. if Indonesia wants to declare that Indonesian batik it is, then Indonesian wayang kulit is also. Kelantan wayang kulit is almost the same as Thai wayang kulit. the second man speaks English like a Philippine accent. If you can speak English, it's good to communicate with foreigner peoples
Capital Nusantara seems vey promising but I believe it will takes a long time to catch up with Kuala Lumpur (KL). Nusantara is replacing Jakarta function i.e. Capital city & Administrative. KL still the capital of Malaysia and Putrajaya just the Malaysia Administrative capital and two separate identity. One big disadvantage for capital Nusantara is it's too far from the World's economic/shipping trading routes.
Mohon bapak bapak Indo tu datang ke Malaysia bukan hanya Kuala Lumpur, kerana budaya batik, songket, wayang kulit sudah beratusan malah beribuan tahun diamalkan dan dilletarik di Kelantan dan Terengganu dan ia bukan budaya Jawa kerana orang Jawa tidak bermigrasi ke Kelantan atau Terengganu. Malah wayang kuilt dengan pengaruh Hindu kental wujud di Thailand, Myanmar, India.. di Turki dan Sropah Timur juga ada wayang kulit tapi tidak dipengaruh Hindu. Oleh kerana namanya sama; batik, wayang kulit, songket maka tidak semestinya ia milik Indonesia atau asli Indonesia. Guna akal mu yang bijak jangan jadi bodoh.. sehinggakan Nasi Goreng kamu mahu klaim ia asli Indonesia. Sila ke Cina aja, ada beratusan jenis Nasi Goreng..tapi sudah tentu dalam Bahasa Cina loh... jelas SDM terbukti rendahhhhhh
Wow, no wonder why many Indonesian keyboard warriors expressing the same thoughts. This mentality and thought process seems to be shared, cherished and cascaded from the top down. From their leaders to their citizens (doesn't matter if it's the other way around). There is nothing wrong to be proud of any cultures, but I think they are being more emotional about it rather than giving a rational response. Let me give an example of a food/sauce which people normally consumed in kelantan called 'budu'. In a simple English term, it is a thick, fermented fish sauce. I never heard kelantan people debating or claiming budu was originally invented in kelantan, but it's normal for them to make and consume budu in that region. So when people think of budu, they normally think of kelantan, because its where its largely produced in Malaysia(you can fact-check this as i dont know if other states in malaysia produced budu in a huge quantity).
I discovered that there are many countries also consumed that similar fish sauce outside of Malaysia, for examples, Thailand , The Philippines, Vietnam. and this fish sauce (which is called by a different name), is having the same colour and texture as 'budu', and the taste also quite similar. Some can be a bit more on a saltier side. So what's my point? Never have I ever heard these countries, claiming that this fish sauce is originally from their countries. Everyone just be happy and enjoy what they make without the need of claiming or altercation.
What a waste of time of all these unnecessary arguments from Indonesians. A lot of time to waste? Better put that effort to develop the country rather than bickering.
I dont want to indulge more in this, as this seems ridiculous and unworthy to be prolonged.
I wish y'all the best!
Kepada Ben..menurut sejarah silam.indonesia dulu mahu mendapatkan Malaysia menjadi sebahagian dr indonesia,tapi mereka tidak berjaya dan kami tidak mahu menurutinya.Sebab itu mereka masih berdendam dgn kami.Apa saja kelebihan yg kami miliki,mereka tidak mahu mengakui.Bagi kami,itu bukanlah permasalahan yg besar kerana dasar kami adalah pandang kehadapan untuk negara kami lebih maju dan berdayasaing.kami juga menerapkan budaya saing secara sihat.Perpatah orang melayu berkata:Biar lah anjing menyalak bukit dan ular menyusur akar tidak akan hilang bisanya.
Jangan terperangkap hal hal budaya,tapi tidak mahu maju dan memajukan masyarakat,hal hal budaya biar lah ia berjalan mengikut waktu.
Sebok hal klim mengkelim,lupa memajukan rakyat.sebagai pemimpin perlu fokus kepada ekonomi rakyat bukan mengajak perkelahian hal budaya.
As a Malaysian, we honestly don’t care if Indonesia claims the same culture as ours. We come from the same roots, so it’s natural to share similarities. I’ve never seen Malaysia government officially claim things like batik or rendang as exclusively ours.
A lot of these "claims" seem to come from misinformation on social media. For example, we’ve never even heard of "Reog Ponorogo," yet somehow it went viral with people saying Malaysians claim it. It feels like fake news linger in Indonesia made to create unnecessary anger.
Malaysia’s tourism and economy don’t depend on batik or rendang-tourists mostly visit for cities, beaches, and nature. This places not really exhibit our culture. So if it makes you happy, go ahead and make it official. Culture should be embraced, not fought over.
Smile and peace! ✌😃
Theres no proof rendang belong to Indonesia
The earliest record pertaining to rendang is a Malay manuscript from the early sixteenth century, Hikayat Amir Hamzah.This manuscript that was written during the spreading of Islam in Malay was an adaptation of the Persian classical literary work (Hamzanama) which was later compiled into Malay to encourage Malacca Sultanate soldiers to fight the Portuguese empire who wanted to conquer Malacca in the early sixteenth century.
If in the present, Minangkabau cuisine is identical with the fleshy menu, according to the early historical record in the sixteenth century-or quite contemporaneous with when the Hikayat Amir Hamzah was written-the food consumption of natives in West Sumatra generally was so simple. This can be proof from the travel records of French poet, Pierre Crignon, who in 1529 participated in the nautical expedition of two brothers, Jean and Raoul Parmentier, visiting the Tiku region in northern Padang. Crignon reports his observations regarding the Tiku peoples’ lunch menu:
(...when they eat they only have half-cooked rice cooked with water without salt, and small fish as big as fingers are dried in the sun and they eat with it: as for a meal, it is considered very special when in the meal there are several pieces of grilled chicken that are roasted over charcoal, or boiled using a few water mixed with rice).
UNESCO Website
Although the actual origins of batik are unknown, it is believed to have been transported to Asia by way of the Indian subcontinent. “Batik” is derived from an Indonesian-malay word, which is now often used as a generic term referring to the process of dyeing fabric. The process is traditionally performed on cotton and silk using a resist technique. This includes covering areas of cloth with a dye-resistant substance in order to prevent color absorption. Those areas not covered are able to absorb deep hues. Thus, the fabric is both durable and fade-resistant. Other batik methods also exist, such as the splash method, the screen printing process, and the hand-painting methods.
The word batik may come from the Proto-Austronesian word batik, which means "decorations" or "patterns"
The word batik may either derive from a hypothetical Proto-Austronesian root *beCík ('to tattoo'). The word is first recorded in English in the Encyclopædia Britannica of 1880, in which it is spelled battik.
Frankly these two countries really don't have any major issues. Concerning culture its just friendly rivalry banter. There is much more in terms of deep respect and appreciation for each others shared traditions. Interestingly in the opening remarks by the Indonesian official there were a lot of Sanskrit words in the opening speech such as bahasa, budaya, bangsa which are pervasive in both Malay and Indonesian languages.
Congratulations Ben you did a great job. It's a New Breakthrough in your content
They people fanatik about they flag..that official govt officer said like that...they brain only Indonesia, Indonesia even this country only exists 80 years ago..😂😂.. weird but true.hahhaa
they are so original they think but their flag is just another copycat.
@@badnotgood And they make it easier by swapping the colors upside down LOL
I'm going to say it short & simple ya. Way before both countries colonized by British & Dutch, Malaysia and Indonesia not even exist yet. The cultures, foods, fabrics, clothes, even the Silat martial arts shared by these regions called Nusantara Archipelago. The people from both countries can converse with each other because of language similarity. The one to blame is the colonizers that end up separating one great nation. I'm a Malaysia and proud of it, doesn't mean that I don't like Indonesia. Malaysia & Indonesia is like siblings, and just like siblings they do fight, share, & loving one another. Few days ago I stumbled on a comment that condemning my country (made by The Philippines netizen). What makes me laugh is what Indonesian netizens replied to that comment saying do not talk bad about Malaysia, the only nation that can do that is them (Indonesian).
So let just enjoy our life while we can, lets not provoke each other for the silliest thing. There's so many things we can gain just by sharing, learning, & understanding from one another. God bless both countries and Happy Lunar New Year 🐍
Wayang variants, Keris variants, Batik variants, nasi goreng variants are not the issue -- in fact they're propagated during Majapahit Empire's reign. The issue is when an overproud Malaysian claims the ORIGIN of Batik, Wayang, Keris, Rendang, Cendol, etc. The operative word is "ORIGIN". Watch that video by a SIngaporean on the origin of Cendol. Also watch video on a Malaysian who claimed "Khadijah berasal dari alam Melayu", Kunlun claimed as Malay, Chinese Foochow Pole Junk claimed as Malay Jong -- this proves Malays are champion King of Claims in ASEAN.
@wakyIIsr This!! I agree with you.. It's about the privileges that Malays as the major/dominant has. What's the needs to Malaynize (claim) the cultures, foods, etc that's similar to Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei.
@@wakyIIsrmajapahit hanya mitos
Bahasa orang pun rembat pastu tukar nama. Banyak lak bunyi
Asli Bahasa melayu itu dari pulau sumatera . Pulau Sumatra Indonesia not malaysia !
@@gilangsaputra6333 kau sendiri tak pernah dtg ke Malaysia, mcm2 nk claim.
@@gilangsaputra6333 go to school, learn history. Don’t just assume sumatra has no connection with the nearest Peninsular Malaysia.
18:48 that's another false statement. UNESCO is not a place that you can register patent or copyright. UNESCO is not a place to claim culture origin. UNESCO is an organisation (established after world war) to register any culture/arts heritage that has been practiced or available at those countries. The reason behind it is to preserve those heritage from disappearing.
If you're not sure, don't even talk about it. Indonesia have their specific dealing with UNESCO. His name is Prof. Ismunandar
Before the geo political boundaries, we were one massive region. It's only obvious that cultural identities still remain throughout the land. Why is that so hard to see? Ben, you should also ask our tourism and arts ministry reps the same questions to get both sides of the stories. You'll learn that Malaysian wayang kulit, rendang, satay and batik have nuances that distinguish them from their Indonesian counterpart.
It's all started from the big dream of the 1st Indonesia president Sukarno..he ambitiously wanna conquer the land of Malay/Nusantara Archipelago to be part of Indonesia after Indonesia got their independence.
Unfortunately the rulers of Tanah Melayu (now called Malaysia after the independent) are against Sukarno idea to join Indonesia.
After Malaysia got their independence in 31st August 1957 & later in 16th September 1963 Sabah & Sarawak (part of Borneo) join Malaysia..Sukarno burst out because his idea has failed has launch confrontation to Malaysia whereby he has sent Indonesians army to Sabah but Malaysia has win the fight.
Since after the independent & confrontation Sukarno has submitted most of the Malay/Nusantara culture to UNESCO so that Malaysia can't have the same culture.
Sukarno even convinced his people that they have won against Malaysia.
Since that the mentally of Indonesians towards Malaysia are more to bullying because that's was their 1st president has tought them.
Indonesia is a politician country who wants to create a new country with new language & identity. But they still cannot runaway from Malay history & facts so they've to use Malay language as their core language
My least favorite video from you cause its never groundbreaking. For instance Batik, we never claimed it originated from Msia. Its just we also have Batik here in Msia originating hundreds of years ago. Even Thailand has Batik. But why Indonesia sort of claiming sole rights to Batik? And Batik existed in this region long before Msia and Indonesia even exist.
I usually enjoyed watching your video, but this time i have to paused and 😂😅
Tak habis habis unesco nya😂
Kannn??? Biar rakyat semakin d*ng* balik2 UNESCO kena ON, kena highlight sepakbola kena petik batik, kena petik rendang!
Aku ingat level netizen Konoha jer gitu......rupa2nya merata2 lah pemikiran mereka gitu!
Kesian! Parah!😅😅😅
'Indonesian Batik' UNESCO tu batik yang khas motif Indonesia yang berasal dari benua kecil India. Bukannya 'Batik' dari Indonesia. Sumber dari website UNESCO sendiri. Ngerti Bahasa Inggeris gak? LOL
Sedangkan keris,batik,rendang sudah wujud dulu sebelum UNESCO ditubuhkan...kalau dh mereka pergi daftar mesti la ada...bila UNESCO iktiraf Kebaya dr kita mereka tak boleh terima pula...😂😂😂kata ikut sangat UNESCO😅😅😅
@tundewasakti4624 'mereka' pernah daftar kebaya atas nama negara sendiri, tapi di 'reject' UNESCO.
@jxmmynxxh Bila UNESCO tak menyebelahi mereka,mula la mengamok maki hamun,katanya UNESCO dr eropah la,kena bayar makan rasuah🤣🤣🤣
do they know what the archipelago region is, if they knew they wouldn't complain about the issue of claims..because in terms of past history..Singapore, Brunei, southern Thailand, parts of the Philippines, Indonesia including Malaysia also know, Malaysia used to be called Malay land & all of them is one..everyone can travel the border without limits/without using a passport. And everything changed when these existing countries began to achieve independence & revolution in their own way.. Because so close to Malaysia & Indonesia, that's why everything look as same & sometimes there is a little difference, this is because these two countries have distinctive differences in terms of their administrative system.😎✌yooo!!!
Love this sort of interviews where Malaysia is the focal discussions/comparisons between nations of the region and probably the world. If 1,000 or 10,000 western visitors (especially those from English speaking nations) e.g. Americans, Brits, Canadians, Aussies, NZ etc. does these sorts of interviews just for VIEWS/Subscribers, I bet in a couple of years these sorts of interviews will be regarded by Malaysians as "TRASH" worthy to be thrown in the rubbish bin and not even bothered to watch this kind of videos. 🤣🤣 Anyway Kipidap dongibab Ben for Indonesian's viewers sake (this time around) maybe next can interviews Thais, Brunei and Singaporeans etc .too in comparison to Malaysia. BTW 16:15 About cultural Debate!... WHAT on-going Debate?? It's so much only in Indonesia (esp. Indo youtubers) not many (if any at all) in Malaysia. "Settle at one point??" what is that all about?? What are they talking about?? 😂 btw, the culture in Bali is mainly derived from Hindus/Indians culture not locals. The Sumaterans, Kalimatans or sulawesi would be a better example of local cultures than Bali.
Ben, try compare the taste of Malaysian food and Indonesian food. Totally different…😂try Indonesian rendang and Malaysian Rendang? We have at least 5 types of rendang depending on on the states. They cannot claim everything they want. We have our own history as well. We have a very big empire located at northern Part of Malaysia even before they have their historic empire.