The section of the review prior to the brew guide is easily one of the best non-brewing reviews of any coffee product I've seen. The sound bite of the funnel scraping the dosing/catch cup was so well-produced. I've wondered about how I would preheat my Cafelat Robot portafilter, and it's cool to see unintended use cases for products like preheating the Stagg brewer or other components (though I've recently just skipped my normal prep step of pouring boiling water on my Robot portafilter before loading with coffee). I will say I've struggled to produce a brew that's as complete and balanced as a V60 even when trying other recipes like the one from April Coffee. I like that this recipe uses V60 papers and tries to encourage a complete extraction and slower brew times rather than the methods which allow for tons of grounds to be left in the waves on the Fellow papers. Update: I tried the 20g dose version, didn't change the grind setting from what I normally use for V60, and ended up with a bit of a slanted bed that drained around at around 3 minutes total. Even with those caveats, this recipe has resulted in the best coffee I've had from this brewer.
Why do people obsess about the Cafelat portafilter? I do light yo medium roast, with no preheat, in Chicago where it's cold all the time, and get consistent results.
Your content is second to none. I absolutely love your videos, and the clear passion you guys have for coffee and in producing the best content you can. Every time i come back to this channel I find myself hoping to see a spike in subscribers.
Wow, thanks for this detailed review and user guide. I've been a dedicated V60 brewer for a little over a year now and really couldn't come up with a reason to try anything else. I love my V60 brews! But your treatment of this brewer and explaining WHY it is your brewer of choice is making me think I need to try this one. Thanks again!
Great video! Some great considerations if anyone wants to use the Stagg X: - The base of the Hario Olive Wood V60 actually also fits the bottom of the Stagg X, and makes swirling a much more familiar experience - got this from Jonathan Gagné's blog post about the Stagg X (his blog is great for anyone who hasn't seen it!) - Also from Gagné's post, the use of a tea strainer mesh / flair dispersion screen can sometimes help stalling problems - personally I still found this a little hit or miss, but did see a general improvement - For fitting other filters into the Stagg X, consider the Negotiator tool from Orea - the tool does actually fit pretty well, and can simplify the fitting process for alternative filters - The Cafec Trapezoidal filters will eliminate at least one of the 3 folds used to fit conical filters in the video, so if you like their filtration properties then that might be a nice idea - of course will also benefit workflow-wise from the Negotiator - Consider the Orea V3 as well! I know another commenter already recommended it and it is made out of plastic (I personally don't have an issue with this, but I do have a lot of love for the double walled steel approach), but as someone who initially used the Stagg X before getting my hands on the Orea V3, it really does perform like the Stagg X without the flaws. It's pretty much impossible to clog it, the flow is quite a lot faster which allows you a bit more freedom in grinding finer and experimenting with recipes, the Negotiator tool allows you to perfectly fit pretty much any filter paper you can think of inside, you can buy specially made flat filters to use with the Negotiator to go the no-bypass approach, or even Sibarist flat papers that fit perfectly and have a seriously fast flow. Can't recommend it enough!
I’m excited to try this method out in the next day or two. I have been avoiding using my Stagg X because brews always seemed more astringent and bitter than the V60 (of course I’ve been basically practicing primary on the V60, so shouldn’t be surprised!). Thank you for sharing this.
Yep! Been using StaggX and the v60 filters for a little while now. And I just added WWDT recently, I could immediately tell an improvement in the brew.
Great video as always. Totally agree re wet WDT - I've been using it for a while on the Tricolate and it definitely helps. Also I like your conical filter folding. Again I've been folding filters for my Orea for ages however have never tried the two additional side folds ( I do now have a negotiator and flat filters) However I like the T90 cafec filters so may revisit with your extra folds 👍 Thanks again for all your great info 😜
Just found this channel, as a current barista who’s very invested in filter coffee it’s great seeing someone y’all about the Wet Weiss. Just subscribed.
Maestro!!! Bravo, your demeanor in explaining is extremely use friendly☕️ Question, in this video you recommend a 17:1 ratio, is this for traditional /médium roast coffees? How about lighter roasts/ exotic vatietals like Geisha or SL28 etc? Appreciate your input. Keep it up🤠💥
@@Dangkles yes the the V1 and V2 were both metal. Aluminium if I’m not mistaken but they’re really hard to get a hold of and I don’t think they make them anymore.
Hello again! Have u tried other paper filters with this method? Asking bcuz both the Kalita 102 & MoccaMaster Cup 1 filters are same size but already have flat bottoms. Not exactly same size bottom as when u fold Hario point but possibly another option. I will try them & report. After so many pour over devices, I have returned to both my Stagg X & XF. Each with different amounts of coffee (X 20g, XF 25-40).
UPDATE: I'm using the Kalita 102 flat bottom paper filters in my Stagg X. Much better coffee than with the Fellow or Kalita Wave filters!! Obviously folding the bottom is not necessary; But the other folding & brewing techniques were same as you recommend. Although a similar type filter (flat bottom) , The Moccanaster #1 paper filter is just slightly smaller than the Kalita 102 so I won't bother testing it....
Great video! I really do appreciate your deep dive style videos, I always learn something new. Do you think these techniques would work as well with the Stagg XF as well? Thanks!
Yep, in theory, all these techniques should work on the XF too. The only issue is that the v60 filters will be too short so you may need to try smaller doses.
Brian Quan likened the Hario Mugen to the Fellow Stagg X, especially when you use the "zero bypass filter" method as well, which is precisely what the Mugen is designed to do. The main difference (aside from the shape) is that the Mugen is "meant" to be brewed with a single pour, rather than pulse-pouring.
Don't you get less agitation when the kettle is held higher ? The smooth stream penetrates into the bed more easily than when the stream has started to break up as it dissipates more on the surface without penetrating the bed.
The highest point before the stream breaks up gives you the deepest agitation. Go higher that that and your agitation will go down. Pour lower at very high flow rates will also give you decent agitation but here our flow rate is quite low.
What is the advantage of increasing extraction with wet WDT over another way of increasing extraction (e.g. finer grind size?). I have only tried wet WDT once (so hardly an expert!) as a replacement for a bloom swirl in a dialed-in coffee. It clearly increased extraction, but towards over extraction so I preferred the cup with the bloom swirl. I’m trying to see if it is worthwhile playing with wet WDT further or putting my efforts towards other techniques like ‘’poor-a-gon” (brewing over a frozen stainless steel ball to mimic Sasa Sestic’s new Paragon brewing setup) or blowing off the chaff post-grind. I don’t want to try all of these at once, so need to focus my incremental brewing efforts to see what works for me.
Really very cool! I am definitely going to try this! 2 questions please: Any tricks/tips with Fellow Stagg XF - the larger size dripper? And where to get a WDT tool (i don't make espresso) here in India? Also the smaller size Melitta filters are same as 102 & should work the same.Thanks so much!!
WDT: Which by the way most would be coffee snobs think is a wire distribution tool but is actually named after a guy named Weiss. WDT is much more useful if you have a power grinder, as they build much more static. If you use a manual, especially with a little spritz of water to beat static, is much less necessary. When I'm lazy I literally wet my hand and sling a few drops into my grinder. That's enough to kill almost all static. This is for anything from Aeropress to manual espresso. I sling a few drops of water into my Lido ET, and get very reliable shots from my non pre heated, non wdt, super easy Cafelat Robot. People way, way overcomplicate this process and they don't even know why they do it.
Thanks! I’m wondering if you ever test WDT in after you bloom and what’s your thought? I’m experimenting WDT (for bloom and after bloom) with Orea. While I’m sure about the benefit of it for bloom I’m still confused about what would be the pros/cons of WDT after bloom (I.e. first pour after bloom).
Does this process hold good for darker roasts? I am finding it hard to get my dark roasts right as most of the processes are for light roast. So I am not sure how to improve my brew on dark roast.
Could you explain what’s wrong with your brews taste wise? If you brews are too bitter and astringent grind a lot coarser, use lower temperatures ~85C, and use WWDT to regulate the brew time and see if things improve.
@@aramse The bitter and acid feel balanced, there are just no flavor profiles other than "coffee". I've tried dark roasts, light roasts, and medium roasts. All from Onyx Coffee lab. I've had their coffee at their headquarters and cannot for the life of me produce anything close to what they can. And I'm wondering if it's just because I'm trying to do '2 cup' brews in the stag XF. Since I'm always making morning coffee for both myself and my wife, single cup brews are not an option (too time consuming).
@@aramse Thanks, I tried my tap, and RO water, then mineral water, then RO water with Third wave dark roast.. And they all just taste like coffee. No chocolate notes, no "carcara orange" etc.. Just.. coffee.
Unfornately wet WDT causes too much sediment to come through the filter holes causing a muddy cup. However, it works well if you’re using paper filters with SOFI.
Hovering around 450-500. But if the brews are too astringent we go up to 600 even and use WWDT to slow the draw down. On. We’re using the SSP MP which produce very few fines so on the C40 you can try 20 clicks as a starting point.
👎 because you failed to ensure your hot water was well below boiling point. The No.1 most common mistake in coffee making is to use boiling water straight out of the kettle. This is crucial. Too hot and your coffee will be bitter. So, while the most part of this video is excellent and informative, the overall result is a FAIL
The production quality on your videos is really looking excellent lately!
The section of the review prior to the brew guide is easily one of the best non-brewing reviews of any coffee product I've seen. The sound bite of the funnel scraping the dosing/catch cup was so well-produced. I've wondered about how I would preheat my Cafelat Robot portafilter, and it's cool to see unintended use cases for products like preheating the Stagg brewer or other components (though I've recently just skipped my normal prep step of pouring boiling water on my Robot portafilter before loading with coffee). I will say I've struggled to produce a brew that's as complete and balanced as a V60 even when trying other recipes like the one from April Coffee. I like that this recipe uses V60 papers and tries to encourage a complete extraction and slower brew times rather than the methods which allow for tons of grounds to be left in the waves on the Fellow papers.
Update: I tried the 20g dose version, didn't change the grind setting from what I normally use for V60, and ended up with a bit of a slanted bed that drained around at around 3 minutes total. Even with those caveats, this recipe has resulted in the best coffee I've had from this brewer.
Why do people obsess about the Cafelat portafilter? I do light yo medium roast, with no preheat, in Chicago where it's cold all the time, and get consistent results.
Your content is second to none. I absolutely love your videos, and the clear passion you guys have for coffee and in producing the best content you can. Every time i come back to this channel I find myself hoping to see a spike in subscribers.
Thank you so much for your support and this comment :)
Wow, thanks for this detailed review and user guide. I've been a dedicated V60 brewer for a little over a year now and really couldn't come up with a reason to try anything else. I love my V60 brews! But your treatment of this brewer and explaining WHY it is your brewer of choice is making me think I need to try this one. Thanks again!
The smallest size melitta-style filters actually fit almost perfectly in the stagg. The kind of filters for the one cup Moccamaster
Yes these are same as Kalita 102. But both Melitta & Kalita 102 are actually slightly larger than MM #1 filters..
Great video! Some great considerations if anyone wants to use the Stagg X:
- The base of the Hario Olive Wood V60 actually also fits the bottom of the Stagg X, and makes swirling a much more familiar experience - got this from Jonathan Gagné's blog post about the Stagg X (his blog is great for anyone who hasn't seen it!)
- Also from Gagné's post, the use of a tea strainer mesh / flair dispersion screen can sometimes help stalling problems - personally I still found this a little hit or miss, but did see a general improvement
- For fitting other filters into the Stagg X, consider the Negotiator tool from Orea - the tool does actually fit pretty well, and can simplify the fitting process for alternative filters
- The Cafec Trapezoidal filters will eliminate at least one of the 3 folds used to fit conical filters in the video, so if you like their filtration properties then that might be a nice idea - of course will also benefit workflow-wise from the Negotiator
- Consider the Orea V3 as well! I know another commenter already recommended it and it is made out of plastic (I personally don't have an issue with this, but I do have a lot of love for the double walled steel approach), but as someone who initially used the Stagg X before getting my hands on the Orea V3, it really does perform like the Stagg X without the flaws. It's pretty much impossible to clog it, the flow is quite a lot faster which allows you a bit more freedom in grinding finer and experimenting with recipes, the Negotiator tool allows you to perfectly fit pretty much any filter paper you can think of inside, you can buy specially made flat filters to use with the Negotiator to go the no-bypass approach, or even Sibarist flat papers that fit perfectly and have a seriously fast flow. Can't recommend it enough!
I’m excited to try this method out in the next day or two. I have been avoiding using my Stagg X because brews always seemed more astringent and bitter than the V60 (of course I’ve been basically practicing primary on the V60, so shouldn’t be surprised!). Thank you for sharing this.
Yep! Been using StaggX and the v60 filters for a little while now.
And I just added WWDT recently, I could immediately tell an improvement in the brew.
What size v60 filters work with it?
Great video as always. Totally agree re wet WDT - I've been using it for a while on the Tricolate and it definitely helps. Also I like your conical filter folding. Again I've been folding filters for my Orea for ages however have never tried the two additional side folds ( I do now have a negotiator and flat filters) However I like the T90 cafec filters so may revisit with your extra folds 👍 Thanks again for all your great info 😜
Just found this channel, as a current barista who’s very invested in filter coffee it’s great seeing someone y’all about the Wet Weiss. Just subscribed.
Great brewer, I also use the metal extra's daily! Never tried conical papers, good idea!
Maestro!!! Bravo, your demeanor in explaining is extremely use friendly☕️ Question, in this video you recommend a 17:1 ratio, is this for traditional /médium roast coffees? How about lighter roasts/ exotic vatietals like Geisha or SL28 etc?
Appreciate your input. Keep it up🤠💥
Thank you. I seem to get the best result and with less coffee beans. Really enjoyed your vid.
The Orea v3 is similar to the Stagg X minus the flaws, give it a try!
Heard good things. We should be getting one soon. It’s still plastic though but we’re excited to try it out.
@@aramse they do have metal ones too though or at least they used to.
@@Dangkles yes the the V1 and V2 were both metal. Aluminium if I’m not mistaken but they’re really hard to get a hold of and I don’t think they make them anymore.
I don’t think it’s technically plastic
They aren't double walled unfortunately which is imo what makes the staff X so good
Great video!! Really enjoy it. Could you please give any tips on grind size? I am using Comandante C40 or Ode2
Hello again! Have u tried other paper filters with this method? Asking bcuz both the Kalita 102 & MoccaMaster Cup 1 filters are same size but already have flat bottoms. Not exactly same size bottom as when u fold Hario point but possibly another option. I will try them & report. After so many pour over devices, I have returned to both my Stagg X & XF. Each with different amounts of coffee (X 20g, XF 25-40).
UPDATE: I'm using the Kalita 102 flat bottom paper filters in my Stagg X. Much better coffee than with the Fellow or Kalita Wave filters!! Obviously folding the bottom is not necessary; But the other folding & brewing techniques were same as you recommend. Although a similar type filter (flat bottom) , The Moccanaster #1 paper filter is just slightly smaller than the Kalita 102 so I won't bother testing it....
Great video Aramse!
Great video! I really do appreciate your deep dive style videos, I always learn something new. Do you think these techniques would work as well with the Stagg XF as well? Thanks!
Yep, in theory, all these techniques should work on the XF too. The only issue is that the v60 filters will be too short so you may need to try smaller doses.
@@aramse Do you have any suggestions on a larger filter to use with the XF (which I want to use to make multiple cups of coffee)?
Brian Quan likened the Hario Mugen to the Fellow Stagg X, especially when you use the "zero bypass filter" method as well, which is precisely what the Mugen is designed to do. The main difference (aside from the shape) is that the Mugen is "meant" to be brewed with a single pour, rather than pulse-pouring.
We haven't played with the Mugen yet but should be getting a hold of it at some point.
@@aramse Have you tried the mugen in the mean time?
Love your b rolls more and more, great job. Would like to see the new Melodrip's dripper
Thank you Micky!
Excellent video!
Don't you get less agitation when the kettle is held higher ? The smooth stream penetrates into the bed more easily than when the stream has started to break up as it dissipates more on the surface without penetrating the bed.
The highest point before the stream breaks up gives you the deepest agitation. Go higher that that and your agitation will go down. Pour lower at very high flow rates will also give you decent agitation but here our flow rate is quite low.
Well done.
What is the carafe that you used to brew? Looks great!!
0:20 circling back to watch this video again, and am in love with this carafe as well. Any luck finding this anywhere?
It reminds me of a Vietnamese coffee maker
This was really interesting. I wonder if the Melitta paper filter could be easier than the V60's to adjust to the Stagg X flat bottom.
Would you recommend this for travel? e.g. either your backpack going on a plane or camping?
What is the advantage of increasing extraction with wet WDT over another way of increasing extraction (e.g. finer grind size?). I have only tried wet WDT once (so hardly an expert!) as a replacement for a bloom swirl in a dialed-in coffee. It clearly increased extraction, but towards over extraction so I preferred the cup with the bloom swirl. I’m trying to see if it is worthwhile playing with wet WDT further or putting my efforts towards other techniques like ‘’poor-a-gon” (brewing over a frozen stainless steel ball to mimic Sasa Sestic’s new Paragon brewing setup) or blowing off the chaff post-grind. I don’t want to try all of these at once, so need to focus my incremental brewing efforts to see what works for me.
you can also try Cafec trapezoid papers to save some some hassle
What size V60 filters to buy ? Size 01 or 02 ?
Would this work with the stagg xf as well? Amazing quality on video btw!
Really very cool! I am definitely going to try this! 2 questions please: Any tricks/tips with Fellow Stagg XF - the larger size dripper? And where to get a WDT tool (i don't make espresso) here in India? Also the smaller size Melitta filters are same as 102 & should work the same.Thanks so much!!
I bought my WDT tool on Amazon. I bought the Pavant one but there are other nice ones too.
Stag vs orea ? Your choice & why 😮
Great video! What would be a good grind size on fellow ode with ssp mp burrs?
WDT: Which by the way most would be coffee snobs think is a wire distribution tool but is actually named after a guy named Weiss. WDT is much more useful if you have a power grinder, as they build much more static. If you use a manual, especially with a little spritz of water to beat static, is much less necessary. When I'm lazy I literally wet my hand and sling a few drops into my grinder. That's enough to kill almost all static. This is for anything from Aeropress to manual espresso. I sling a few drops of water into my Lido ET, and get very reliable shots from my non pre heated, non wdt, super easy Cafelat Robot. People way, way overcomplicate this process and they don't even know why they do it.
If I really want to be careful with my Robot, and maybe I forgot to do my static trick, I use a chopstick to stir. It's totally fine.
Thanks! I’m wondering if you ever test WDT in after you bloom and what’s your thought? I’m experimenting WDT (for bloom and after bloom) with Orea. While I’m sure about the benefit of it for bloom I’m still confused about what would be the pros/cons of WDT after bloom (I.e. first pour after bloom).
Works after the bloom too. Esp if you want to slow down a coarser ground brew.
Would you experiment with a melodrip?
I wonder if a v60 02 filter could fit in a Fellow XF?
What size hario v60 filter should we use? 01, 02, or 03?
02
I'd also like to know what carafe you're using!
second this
Does this process hold good for darker roasts? I am finding it hard to get my dark roasts right as most of the processes are for light roast. So I am not sure how to improve my brew on dark roast.
Could you explain what’s wrong with your brews taste wise? If you brews are too bitter and astringent grind a lot coarser, use lower temperatures ~85C, and use WWDT to regulate the brew time and see if things improve.
@@aramse The bitter and acid feel balanced, there are just no flavor profiles other than "coffee". I've tried dark roasts, light roasts, and medium roasts. All from Onyx Coffee lab. I've had their coffee at their headquarters and cannot for the life of me produce anything close to what they can. And I'm wondering if it's just because I'm trying to do '2 cup' brews in the stag XF. Since I'm always making morning coffee for both myself and my wife, single cup brews are not an option (too time consuming).
@@Dark-Hound it could be your water. Try different water and see if that helps.
@@aramse Thanks, I tried my tap, and RO water, then mineral water, then RO water with Third wave dark roast.. And they all just taste like coffee. No chocolate notes, no "carcara orange" etc.. Just.. coffee.
Wet WDT with sofi? will it give better results?
Unfornately wet WDT causes too much sediment to come through the filter holes causing a muddy cup. However, it works well if you’re using paper filters with SOFI.
Whats your grind size in micron or (click on C40)?
Hovering around 450-500. But if the brews are too astringent we go up to 600 even and use WWDT to slow the draw down. On. We’re using the SSP MP which produce very few fines so on the C40 you can try 20 clicks as a starting point.
@@aramse I have SSP MP on ODE, how many click pass chirp do you set it?
@@MinimalUnboxI believe each click on the Ode is 25 microns. This should help you find the suggested setting.
@@carptz interesting! Do you know 25 microns per click is true for all kind of burrs? Or it’s only for original burr? I have SPP
@@MinimalUnbox I believe it would be true for every burr, because the distance is determined by the thread pitch of the setting/adjustment knob
Holy cow 4 or 5 min on drawdown at the final step. How?
Did you ever find a answer just tried for the first time and draw down was 3:15ish guess grind finer
@@BloxTube101 I can only get 45 secs at best
👎 because you failed to ensure your hot water was well below boiling point. The No.1 most common mistake in coffee making is to use boiling water straight out of the kettle. This is crucial. Too hot and your coffee will be bitter. So, while the most part of this video is excellent and informative, the overall result is a FAIL
How complicated can you make a handbrew lmao
What a complete waste of time. I tried your method vs the Fellows recommended method and there was zero difference in flavor.