DSC pilots are very methodical, the landing at end shows what a veteran War Thunder pilot can do haha, amazing atmosphere and action in all parts of the video, well done Ed.
Since the WarThunder videos over the last few days have absolutely tanked, I thought I’d bring the schedule forward to the F-5 lol Hope you enjoy, loving this thing 👌🏼
To avoid wing rips - avoid making abrupt roll+pull inputs above 450-500kts, especially with more than 2200lbs of fuel. The term "fly the cross" is very applicable here, the jet won't stop you from doing things that will break it. To be perfectly honest, there's virtually no situation you ever need to use more than ~20-30% lateral stick throw in the F-5 at those speeds anyway, it's insanely responsive. Per the manual the jet's limit is 7.33G symmetrical with 2 missiles and internal fuel only, going down to 6.5G above half internal fuel and around transonic speed. Rolling G limit is like... 5 or a little over, depending on config and speed. Ingame the jet will survive multiple 11-12G transients symmetrically, so you can still abuse it quite a lot before it breaks. The main culprit for people doing it over and over is the combination of roll+pull - if you avoid using the corners of your stick's travel at high speeds you'll never break a wing, ever. There's been an ongoing drama about the wings breaking since ED finally added it a few months ago, but in reality all it's done is unmask some bad habits I'd been watching people build for a long time. Used to be that every other F-5 I merged with or shot at would immediately hammer into a 13-14G turn (often rolling in addition to that) and as long as they let off soon enough to avoid GLOC, they'd be fine. The real plane would probably not catastrophically disassemble itself if you were rolling and pulled 7G instead of 5G, but unfortunately DCS doesn't really simulate irrepairable but survivable airframe damage so it is what it is, the net result (-1 aircraft) is still the same.
That was awesome. Good kills and lessons learned. Hopefully when the F-4 comes out, it will make up for the F-5's deficiencies (except maybe instantaneous turn) and maybe it will be possible to either out run a MiG-19 easily or beat it in the vertical. They're what scare me the most in the mid-Cold War servers.
I think the MiG-19 will eat a Phantom alive in a dogfight, it climbs better too - actually climbs better than most things - but the Phantom definitely has the speed advantage and more sensors, better missiles etc Ridiculously hyped for the Phantom and Mirage F-1 either way.
@@Bullet4MyEnemy yes, I was thinking the F-4 and the Mirage will have to be classic boom and zoom planes, although it will be tougher if not done right because.. well.. missiles lol. Although a buddy of mine and I tried some rolling scissors in the F-5 vs the MiG-19 and I managed to get on his tail in the F-5 a couple times and we ran out of fuel. He still got me the other times, but maybe its a tactic worth exploring.
@@aaronjamesDS Yeah the F-5’s nose authority will give it an edge in any knife fight/one circle type fights as long as there isn’t a climbing/vertical element. If you watched my MiG-19 Vs. F-5 dogfight video from last week then I’ll probably be flipping that with me in the F-5 at some point, with me and Maguire both having more time flying them both we might be able to work out a winning strategy for the F-5, looking forward to having a rematch.
The F-5 can turn like a demon. It can’t rate fight a mig-21 but in a 2 circle it will make the tighter turn and maintain its energy very well. The F-5 does have a huge blind spot though at it’s 6 o clock and 6 o clock low. But if your in a fishbed or the mig 19 do not get into a turn fight with the F5
That doesn’t match my findings so far, F-5 will two circle the 21 by account of the 21 turning into a seesaw at low speed, and by the same token the 19 will throughly dominate the F-5 without breaking a sweat, that thing has so much thrust that “getting slow” has to be forced, with brakes out, flaps and gear - turning hard with burners won’t do it. Me and Maguire are going to redo my 19 Vs. F-5 dogfight video at some point with roles reversed so I’ll see if the F-5 can be worked in a way that gets it a win against the 19 but I think it’s going to take a lot more skill on the F-5’s part than the 19’s to win that duel.
I’m aware of it, but apparently the ballistics don’t match it perfectly because they made some alterations to the muzzle velocity/drag or something. Mainly though I just don’t find it updates quickly or accurately enough when people are jinking all over the place.
Hi! Would you recommend the Tiger II or F-14 A, for the Cold War Enigma server, for The West? I can't decide. The Tiger looks much faster to learn but the F-14 A, I think is faster and I know it can hold more missiles. I'm looking for Air to Air, fighter V's fighter strength, bomber escort and bomber attack missions on the server. Thankyou!
The F-14 is better in literally every regard, by a lot. But, because it’s a generation beyond everything else (apart from the MiG-29A on the red’s side) it can’t be spawned off the bat, you need to accrue points by destroying ground objectives, and there’s also a limit of how many can be spawned at once per team - I think it’s 2, might be 4, not been online in months so can’t remember. But basically, you’ll struggle to achieve the requirements to spawn the Tomcat so if you’re fixed on a bluefor jet the F-5’s your best pick until the Phantom comes out. If you want something on the Tomcat’s level for a lot less money, the MiG-29 is a low fidelity module (no clicky cockpit) that has the same spawn requirements as the Tomcat for the red side. There are plenty of other Cold War options though, and almost all of them apart from the MiG-19 carry more missiles than the F-5. Reds have the MiG-21 which can carry up to 6, and there’s also the recently released Mirage F-1 which can carry a max of 5 I believe, plus it’s used on both teams depending on the map. Syria it’s one team, Caucasus it’s on the other. It’s currently on a points-to-spawn system as well, but it’s only temporary whilst the new car smell wears off and people stop spamming it.
@@Bullet4MyEnemy Cheers! Sounds like a War Thunder mechanic to me. I didn't even know about that. I understand why though. The Tiger II it is then. Nice landing at the end as well as the kills.
SRS is just so good and the built in VOIP is so new that it’s sort of become irrelevant as soon as it was added. Most servers are still on SRS I believe just because it works perfectly so there hasnt really been much opportunity for voip to shine.
@@pvtmaguire959 Im just mentioning that because most people have trouble with frame rates on servers with action. Just remember that the more programs you run on background more it makes dcs lag and stutter ;) Great vids keep it up =)
@@geardownflapsup9344 you are right but I have a feeling that enigmas is mostly due to the pure amount of assets it’s loading. If you look in tacview there’s about 1000+ soldiers and units on the floor all active and shooting. Plus the lag only occurs for localised periods of time - you’ll be getting 60+ and then suddenly you’re at 15 for 5 mins.
It would be interesting to see if you can try out the F-5E in War Thunder :) I know the economy is borked but.. Wondering if you can pull off a similar experience.
It would be an interesting comparison when I eventually get it, but I’m miles off at the minute - I think it’s after the F-104s? Haven’t even bought the first one yet. Always got more of an SL problem than an RP one. The MiG-19 in WarThunder handles pretty similarly to the DCS one, minus the way the games give you stall/over speed cues etc, so the F-5’s probably fairly comparable too. WarThunder considers the F-5 better though, it’s a higher BR - and both of them are in the top tier bracket so they have to deal with a lot of far worse things than each other.
DSC pilots are very methodical, the landing at end shows what a veteran War Thunder pilot can do haha, amazing atmosphere and action in all parts of the video, well done Ed.
Since the WarThunder videos over the last few days have absolutely tanked, I thought I’d bring the schedule forward to the F-5 lol
Hope you enjoy, loving this thing 👌🏼
To avoid wing rips - avoid making abrupt roll+pull inputs above 450-500kts, especially with more than 2200lbs of fuel. The term "fly the cross" is very applicable here, the jet won't stop you from doing things that will break it. To be perfectly honest, there's virtually no situation you ever need to use more than ~20-30% lateral stick throw in the F-5 at those speeds anyway, it's insanely responsive. Per the manual the jet's limit is 7.33G symmetrical with 2 missiles and internal fuel only, going down to 6.5G above half internal fuel and around transonic speed. Rolling G limit is like... 5 or a little over, depending on config and speed. Ingame the jet will survive multiple 11-12G transients symmetrically, so you can still abuse it quite a lot before it breaks. The main culprit for people doing it over and over is the combination of roll+pull - if you avoid using the corners of your stick's travel at high speeds you'll never break a wing, ever.
There's been an ongoing drama about the wings breaking since ED finally added it a few months ago, but in reality all it's done is unmask some bad habits I'd been watching people build for a long time. Used to be that every other F-5 I merged with or shot at would immediately hammer into a 13-14G turn (often rolling in addition to that) and as long as they let off soon enough to avoid GLOC, they'd be fine. The real plane would probably not catastrophically disassemble itself if you were rolling and pulled 7G instead of 5G, but unfortunately DCS doesn't really simulate irrepairable but survivable airframe damage so it is what it is, the net result (-1 aircraft) is still the same.
Dannnnng that landing. Props to your insanity, Sir
I bet his butt was clenched so tight, you couldn't get a greased BB up it 🤣
After watching this, I have much more confidence to enter the server lol. Ty!
That was awesome. Good kills and lessons learned. Hopefully when the F-4 comes out, it will make up for the F-5's deficiencies (except maybe instantaneous turn) and maybe it will be possible to either out run a MiG-19 easily or beat it in the vertical. They're what scare me the most in the mid-Cold War servers.
I think the MiG-19 will eat a Phantom alive in a dogfight, it climbs better too - actually climbs better than most things - but the Phantom definitely has the speed advantage and more sensors, better missiles etc
Ridiculously hyped for the Phantom and Mirage F-1 either way.
@@Bullet4MyEnemy yes, I was thinking the F-4 and the Mirage will have to be classic boom and zoom planes, although it will be tougher if not done right because.. well.. missiles lol.
Although a buddy of mine and I tried some rolling scissors in the F-5 vs the MiG-19 and I managed to get on his tail in the F-5 a couple times and we ran out of fuel. He still got me the other times, but maybe its a tactic worth exploring.
@@aaronjamesDS
Yeah the F-5’s nose authority will give it an edge in any knife fight/one circle type fights as long as there isn’t a climbing/vertical element.
If you watched my MiG-19 Vs. F-5 dogfight video from last week then I’ll probably be flipping that with me in the F-5 at some point, with me and Maguire both having more time flying them both we might be able to work out a winning strategy for the F-5, looking forward to having a rematch.
Col Meyers would have ordered you to measure the runway with a ruler 😂
If you mean from where I stopped to the end, I don’t think I’d have needed much more 😅
If you mean the whole thing, what a boring bastard 😭
Should say your callsign when talking to Magic
The F-5 can turn like a demon. It can’t rate fight a mig-21 but in a 2 circle it will make the tighter turn and maintain its energy very well. The F-5 does have a huge blind spot though at it’s 6 o clock and 6 o clock low. But if your in a fishbed or the mig 19 do not get into a turn fight with the F5
That doesn’t match my findings so far, F-5 will two circle the 21 by account of the 21 turning into a seesaw at low speed, and by the same token the 19 will throughly dominate the F-5 without breaking a sweat, that thing has so much thrust that “getting slow” has to be forced, with brakes out, flaps and gear - turning hard with burners won’t do it.
Me and Maguire are going to redo my 19 Vs. F-5 dogfight video at some point with roles reversed so I’ll see if the F-5 can be worked in a way that gets it a win against the 19 but I think it’s going to take a lot more skill on the F-5’s part than the 19’s to win that duel.
S! Got to love the chute on the F5.
Wasn’t sure I was actually using it right so was definitely a panic moment 😅
Hi not sure if this is true or not but I remember seeing in another vid that there is a close combat mode that helps with getting shots off with guns
after looking at Chuck's guides and some more videos, it does have a dogfight mode that uses the radar to aide with the guns
I’m aware of it, but apparently the ballistics don’t match it perfectly because they made some alterations to the muzzle velocity/drag or something.
Mainly though I just don’t find it updates quickly or accurately enough when people are jinking all over the place.
Hi!
Would you recommend the Tiger II or F-14 A, for the Cold War Enigma server, for The West?
I can't decide. The Tiger looks much faster to learn but the F-14 A, I think is faster and I know it can hold more missiles.
I'm looking for Air to Air, fighter V's fighter strength, bomber escort and bomber attack missions on the server. Thankyou!
The F-14 is better in literally every regard, by a lot.
But, because it’s a generation beyond everything else (apart from the MiG-29A on the red’s side) it can’t be spawned off the bat, you need to accrue points by destroying ground objectives, and there’s also a limit of how many can be spawned at once per team - I think it’s 2, might be 4, not been online in months so can’t remember.
But basically, you’ll struggle to achieve the requirements to spawn the Tomcat so if you’re fixed on a bluefor jet the F-5’s your best pick until the Phantom comes out.
If you want something on the Tomcat’s level for a lot less money, the MiG-29 is a low fidelity module (no clicky cockpit) that has the same spawn requirements as the Tomcat for the red side.
There are plenty of other Cold War options though, and almost all of them apart from the MiG-19 carry more missiles than the F-5.
Reds have the MiG-21 which can carry up to 6, and there’s also the recently released Mirage F-1 which can carry a max of 5 I believe, plus it’s used on both teams depending on the map.
Syria it’s one team, Caucasus it’s on the other. It’s currently on a points-to-spawn system as well, but it’s only temporary whilst the new car smell wears off and people stop spamming it.
@@Bullet4MyEnemy Cheers!
Sounds like a War Thunder mechanic to me. I didn't even know about that. I understand why though. The Tiger II it is then. Nice landing at the end as well as the kills.
@@British-Dragon-Simulations
Enigma’s server is basically the DCS version of Sim EC, but none of the DCS purists will admit it
MIG-19 will trash the F-5 and the MIG-19P is also underperforming in DCS lol. Last I heard at least.
So why dont you use build in coms ? They are that bad ?
Honestly don’t even know how, everyone just uses SRS
SRS is just so good and the built in VOIP is so new that it’s sort of become irrelevant as soon as it was added. Most servers are still on SRS I believe just because it works perfectly so there hasnt really been much opportunity for voip to shine.
@@pvtmaguire959 Im just mentioning that because most people have trouble with frame rates on servers with action. Just remember that the more programs you run on background more it makes dcs lag and stutter ;) Great vids keep it up =)
@@geardownflapsup9344 you are right but I have a feeling that enigmas is mostly due to the pure amount of assets it’s loading. If you look in tacview there’s about 1000+ soldiers and units on the floor all active and shooting. Plus the lag only occurs for localised periods of time - you’ll be getting 60+ and then suddenly you’re at 15 for 5 mins.
It would be interesting to see if you can try out the F-5E in War Thunder :)
I know the economy is borked but.. Wondering if you can pull off a similar experience.
It would be an interesting comparison when I eventually get it, but I’m miles off at the minute - I think it’s after the F-104s? Haven’t even bought the first one yet. Always got more of an SL problem than an RP one.
The MiG-19 in WarThunder handles pretty similarly to the DCS one, minus the way the games give you stall/over speed cues etc, so the F-5’s probably fairly comparable too.
WarThunder considers the F-5 better though, it’s a higher BR - and both of them are in the top tier bracket so they have to deal with a lot of far worse things than each other.
When i was 6, My uncle trapped His foreskin in My zipper.. That was the dumbest thing ive ever seen up until i saw this video..
Were you scissoring him or something…? 🤨