Did SUZUKI go BROKE paying bonuses?!
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Austin Forkner & Gypsy Tales discuss the downfall of the Suzuki dirt bike manufacturing throughout the 2010's.
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Almost a crime to not bring up Stew on the Suzuki.
Seriously….. very strange
@sos650sos the fastest Suzuki rider there possibly has been
@@karlmason6145the fastest rider there have been period
Yeah the fastest rider ever to live. Hands down
Stew didn’t win a championship on a Suzuki, so the theory they are proposing (Suzuki went broke from paying championship bonuses) isn’t relevant to stew’s time on the yellow bike.
The financial problems in suzukis automotive side of the business is what killed the moto budget nothing to do with paying bonuses
Exactly , but there seems to be not much interest on the Motorcycle side to engineer
The whiskey throttle show with ron heben had an interesting take on suzuki. About them moving the manufacturing facility to a more stable area after the fukashima thing
And ricky himself said he didn't get bonuses. Straight 5mil/yr salary.
@@brianricoh3242 not much interest or money
... in the U.S. Regulation killed Suzuki cars in North America. They do great everywhere else in the world.
Don't forget Stew and Roczen
Toronto 2014, never forget.
Factory Suzuki also won Atv championship in 08 and 09 I believe
and 2010
Yep! Wimmer and Creamer
Did Borich win a gncc in those years too?
Borich won 2009-2014 on a Suzuki.
Doug Gust said his salary without bonuses was 189k with Suzuki.
I bought dirt bikes for 40 years the brand the pros won on were never a factor in my decision of what brand I buy to race Bclass 1978-2018
Nah me either I basically bought my rm 125 because my homie raced and had the same bike and he always had spare parts and we knew gene stull his dad had so many extra parts we would get top ends for like 45 bucks all kinds of shit cheap so that’s one reason I rode Suzuki!
Suzuki won the MotoGP title in 2020. So developed and raced a bike that's a complete prototype which would have cost more than their entire MX program for the last 15 years combined. They aren't broke.
I got to do some test riding for Suzuki in 79 and they were a powerhouse back then! It’s amazing how well Kenny has done on a bike that hasn’t really improved in so many years! Part of the problem is with how the sport is being promoted currently! If it had more exposure, real exposure, then it could be a much more attractive investment! I believe that this sport, if promoted properly would be bigger than any professional sport! Our athletes and personalities are truly second to none! The sheer athleticism and dedication required above all other sports!!
And Kenny won the MX championship on a Suzuki too
Suzuki pulled out of MotoGP to focus their money on their automotive division, they claimed the sport bike segment was loosing customer base.and GSXR sales were down as.the reason, the RM has had no upgrades, development or engineering advances since how long ago? This bag of popcorn is starting to go stale on me.
Suzuki is one of the highest valued motorcycle companies. It's the direction of the company went to the Super street bikes over motocross
they dropped out of Motogp and world endurance, its not just mx, its motorcycle racing completly,
I remember the MXA article years ago that said that every rmz450 suzuki sold like 3,4,or5,000 went to pay rickys salary. Crazy
2003 RM125 was one of the best bikes I have ever owned. Had many suzukis motorcycles over the years, including GSXRs. Its a shame they have no presence, and not much interest in moto right now.
Still got my 03 RM 125 race bike (stopped racing at the end of the 03 season,sohad to give the practice bike and spare race bike back at the end but they let me keep one of my race bikes 😊) I didn't race FOR Suzuki,but I raced Suzukis, through the deal I had with Taylor Racing Suzuki. That bike has an awesome amount of bottom end,even with just a V force reed block,Hinson clutch basket and a pipe,it PULLED HARD!
Gotta mention James Stewart. Y’all better not forget about the best in the game 🤙🏽🐐
I’d like a RMZ 250 personally. I think it would be fun to build up. I ride a 125 and because it’s a small bore 2 stroke it is easy to start..how hard is a RMZ to start? Hot and cold? Is a hot start lever something you want?
I have a 24 rmz 250 and It usually starts up cold with choke in 2-3 kicks, sometimes one. Without the choke and cold start it could take up to 7. I noticed when the bike is hot, it doesn’t start up right away like if I crash or stall it out on the track, I’m usually kicking it for a little bit which sucks and it tires you out. It’s a cool machine tho I love it!!
Depends they can be a bitch to start and temperamental(4strokes). I will always have a spot in my heart for 2strokes only downside of 2 strokes is the constant tinkering to get her crisp when you have to. 4 strokes anymore you just gear up and go but when they break it sucks whether you are working on it or paying someone else to do it.
@@londonolson3315Hey holy fk. That falling and not starting hot fast. Friend has 250rmz like 04-05?? Early model and valves are good and compression. Just doesnt like to start when warm. Carb is good.
@@holymacarenafin2319 yea it’s weird you’d think it would fire up right away when it’s hot
I have a 2010 still. Relatively reliable, not harder than other bikes (with a kicker) and enough power to be quick and have fun
My first big bike from 85s was a rm 125 that bike was awesome super reliable Reved to the moon loved it which Suzuki would come out with a all new up to date rmz 450
At least Austin gets it, moto isn't mainstream enough to bring in tons of cash in order to pay big salaries. The primary audience for motocross is people who ride, but there aren't enough of us out there. They need to somehow break through with the mainstream audience who has never and probably never will ride a motocross bike. If viewership gets into the millions instead of thousands, then there will be enough ad revenue to take the sport to the next level.
So apparently in 2023 Yamaha sold 4.8 million motorcycles. Of course this is road bikes, dirt bikes, side by sides, etc. If they only make $1000 each that is still nearly 5 BILLION dollars.
Yep, Jace’s math is pretty horrendous here. Suzuki would only need to sell 5000 RM450’s to cover that 9mil he was talking about. And that’s if Suzuki was only netting $1,850 per bike. All numbers pulled directly out of my rear, but either way, easy for that one bike to sell enough to cover that in net profit
@@derekwoods8199 What people ignore is the huge numbers quoted here are primarily in China and India. Small displacement low cost machines. Suzuki cannot sell 5000 Rmz450's globally. The number is probably 1/2 of that at best.
1. Suzuki gutted it's Amatuer program to pay RC4, 2. Chad paid for his title via the insurance deal but only 1 year 3. Dungey wona few titles, 4 Stew was getting paid well but in 2014 Suzuki Automotive side went bankrupt which was propping up the motorsport side. And coupled with Suzuki not being bought in nearly the amount of other brands
I don’t need e start. 450 starts first kick on the track, on the side of a mountain, in the garage. The average dudes saying the RMZ450 is outdated are ridiculous.
I kind of agree, when I was kick starting my bikes I was like what's the big deal, but trust me when you start using E start you aren't going back, I really want a YZX 250 but if the don't put E start on it it ain't happening!
@@ksleep5715 it wasn't a big deal when everyone was in the same boat but when you got to kick it over mid race Wich can be a bitch when the bikes hot and ur competitor can hit the button and go it's a definite disadvantage. But yeah I agree the bike is more than good enough for you average guy
@@karlmason6145husky tc250 is so nice and smooth with the fuel injection. Plus e start is very nice. Kind of miss that thrill of the carbureted 2 stroke “hit” in the power band, but the new ktm/husky/gasgas 2 strokes ride so nice.
Do people not remember that Suzuki have been struggling for decades.back in the early 00's they almost joined up with kawasaki.i can't remember which year it was, but they produced a bike together,it was basically identical between the two brands,you could swap plastics over and a majority of actual parts would fit too,i don't remember if it ever made it to production (I think it was cancelled last minute) due to Suzuki managing to find the funds to stay separate. It's also the reason that they've only changed cosmetics over the last few years (probably closer to 10+) and had no development on the engine or chassis etc.
It was the 2005 rmz250 and the 2005 kxf250 identical bikes. You also have to consider this was at a time when four stroke race bikes were just starting out
Fairly sure in 2009 - Suzuki won everything. 450SX/MX. ATV MX. ATV GNCC and 450 GNCC. And Superbike.
The win bonuses weren’t just for 450SX / MX - it was everything else along with it.
Plus the EPA Stop sale on the LTR450 and RMZ450 killed the sales.
I'd like to know what riders pay a year in health insurance costs, it has to be close to 100k.
Pretty sure we just learnt why the DR’s havnt got an upgrade in 30 years. Rmz450 sales had nothing to do with it.
Suzukis are Great bikes!
They are OK , not great .
How many 450s globally do you think they sell?
By the time suzuki pays there bills there isn't much money left over.suzuki needs to do 3 things to get back.keep the price point cheap keep investing in there contingency money and come out with 250-300 2 stroke to compete in off road races.
All the brands should still be producing 125’s and 250 2 strokes. They are letting yamaha and Ktm take all of the 2 stroke market which has come back very strong in the last few years.
@@ppppsssshhhh71 its not even close to being profitable to keep 2 strokes in the line up. The only reason Yamaha keeps making them is because they want to compete in the little bikes market with ktm group. Plus the red tape to keep manufacturing 2 strokes in America cost huge money. In a manufacturing company to produce off road 2 strokes costs money from the epa. A certain amount of vehicles in a line up has to meet certain epa regulations or they get charged a non compliance fee. The personal watercraft market and the outboard market battled with that in the 2000s.thats why they came out with such horrible fuel injected models rushing to be compliant. Thats why ktm pushed so hard for fuel injected 2 strokes. Why do you think the problem with most fuel injected machines benefiting so much from tunes and ecu tuning. When basically they are adding more fuel and a little timing changes. The are set at the factory lean to be more epa compliant
MX racers AND fans also buy street bikes, enduros, accessories, tires, chains, sprockets, oil, filters, plugs, brakes, & boatloads of service department repairs... Dropping your GSXR used to be $3500+ per side for repairs... probably way more by now... I know - I was service manager in Honda/Suzuki dealership. Big money in crash repairs.
And most of the people go to aftermarket products. Suzuki doesn't make tires chains sprokets fork seals oils and etc. basically the only people buying oem parts are transmission parts and swing arms and subframes. Other than that we go aftermarket even most cams and pistons are aftermarket. Christ there are even aftermarket cyl and heads.
@@denniswilder3014 - Suzuki CERTAINLY sells tires, chains, sprockets, seals, etc. And SMART people, and ALL bikes in the service department, get OEM parts FROM Suzuki. Most aftermarket parts ARE ordered and sold thru the dealership. Do NOT attempt to school ME. I spent over 25 YEARS in the Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha dealership. Boy
@@DaveyHo69 what brand tire does Suzuki make? What chain does Suzuki make what rims does Suzuki make? You spent 25 years in a dealership? Doing what cleaning. Dunlop makes the tires. D. I. D makes the chain sprockets and rims. The dealership hardly does any actual dirt bike service. Thats why there are so many independent shops.
@@DaveyHo69 so you bought tires from Suzuki and not parts unlimited tucker rockey and other wholesale companies? You bought chains and sprockets from the oem only never aftermarket wholesale places? I to worked for dealerships and now for the past 7 years own my own repair shop. Warranty repairs get oem parts. Out of warranty the cheapest viable respectable companies used for aftermarket equivalent is used and 99.99 percent of all dealers do the same.
The RMX450 had e start but not on the RMZ450 ? 🤔
DRZ’s have had e-start since 2000.
@@jpesicka999the drz isn't a racing 450 lmao
@@lukekelly5115 bro he was just saying that drz even had them in 2000, he never said anything about a race bike, but it is pretty sad they still haven’t got an e start 😂
I believe JGR was the last ditch effort by Suzuki. Go big one last time. Here we are and thats ok.
The opinions expressed on the video and the posts are ludicrous. Suzuki is not pouring a lot of money into a shrinking offroad market. The problems with Suzuki started in the automotive division which acknoeledged it lost $3000 dollars per car trying to sell them in the United States. Given that the Rmz tooling has been paid for a long time ago they might be the most profitable machines in the market.
No to discredit you at all man but out here in the sticks in Tennessee our pw class had over 20 riders. My opinion about the industry shirking was the same but it seems after the virus everyone bought their kids bike to get out side…. I think in the next 10 years we will see another boom in off road . Everything runs in cycles I hope for the future this is true
@@ryanrobles9404 mini bikes and pw's are great but in the hay day in Northern California we had multiple 30 rider gates at numerous tracks on the same day. I have been in the sport since the mid 70's. Attendance is down at local races and there are less of them. I work in the industry and have for my entire life, you won't discredit me as MIC numbers for sales are readily available. Large dealerships are going out of business as the covid money boost is completely over. It's great if Tennessee is doing ok but overall that is not the case in off road on a national scale. Particularly in California which is the world's largest off road market.
Suzuki is spending the money they have on growth segments in the industry, sadly off road is not one of them. For the last 4 months l can go to any Kawasaki dealer and buy a KX450 for nearly a 4000 dollar discount. That is a completely modern competitive machine, not the sign of a healthy market.
Every race I enter, there is myself and maybe one other guy camping out of a truck. Everyone else brings their $70K+ rig with a 2nd home attached. That's a $100K investment just for weekend amateur classes, not including bikes.
The sport is a club with people that have that kind of money, and people who don't have it get to inhale generator fumes from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m., which isn't feasible.
@@Fuse_146 It has become a rich guys sport. When l got into it the best desert racer in the land went in a pickup truck. The last Supercross podium l can recall from a privateer in a pickup was Greg Schnell at San Jose pitting out of a Chevy S10. Even if you do not have a Motorhome the $10,000 motorcycle rules out most most kids without mom and dads wallet.
It's not just salaries and bonuses, it's the expense of running a factory team to support these riders throughout the competition seasons.
Someone in their business that was in the racing department for dividing funds to the racing and development side of the business stole shit loads of money from them
To be mainstream would mean more people riding and the factories would need to sell more bikes to pay the top riders more. Where would people be able to ride the bikes with all the tracks closing down?
Hard to say what numbers cooperate is looking at , not to be shared with public!
you only need to sell 800 bikes at $10k to make $8 million dollars in revenue. Obviously there are other costs, but Suzuki sold about 2 million motorcycles in 2023. Even if win on sunday buy on monday doesn't work out for a specific model, getting their name out there for all their bikes and other equipment is good advertising. $8 million a year for advertising is nothing.
800 bikes sold will get $8 million gross income. If Suzuki makes $1500 profit on each bike sold, they need to sell 5,334 bikes to get 8 million profit.
@@awalker8112 yep, did you see the part where they sold 2 million bikes last year?
@@awalker8112I’d guess Suzuki is making 5-10% profit per bike.
@@noControl556did you see the part where they they weren’t selling bikes for 10k in 2007.
@@Bodie2020 If they made $1,000 per bike that's $2 Billion dollars. $8 million ain't shit.
The top guys back in 2003-2008 made so much money, yet the companies never sold enough bikes to ever come even close to making it a profitable deal for the company.
I would like to see the CEO lose his salary to see the motocross division of the company get back in the game. Apparently he's not doing a good job
There’s gear deals that match manufacturer salaries and bonus
Also a huge recession in there that had huge impacts.
Strait to interrupting 🤟🏻
Dirt bikes are not cheap & most average people love Honda r kawi I rarely seen any other brand back then & my dad legit would not buy me a bike bc I wanted a 2009 yz450 quad instead of the Honda so my aunt helped me..that’s when I found out JS7 didn’t have a fuel injected 450 bc if I wanted fuel injection I would’ve had to wait months
"That's why there's no electric start" lol
Good time to get Kenny Roczen on my man
If they sell 2000 units @ $3,000 profit each unti
That’s $6,000,000 already
Remember build price of an F150 is approx $5,000 cost to ford
They would be selling more then 2000 units of the RM each year easy
It happened because they got out-marketed by every other brand. It was the best bike from ‘07-‘14. Suzuki had a ridiculous Amateur Program, had to pay Chad, RC, Stew, and Ryan a lot of money which led them down the road of using subpar marketing. Coca-Cola has been funding Kawasaki teams forever, and when Suzuki split off from KHI back at the end of ‘06 they lost that budget. Bobby was spending big dough on a lot of Amateur kids too. There was no way that team could function with the amount of money on the A/P board. It didn’t matter how good the bike was or who was riding it, people just didn’t buy enough Suzuki product. The Motocross team had been siphoning money from other divisions of the Corporation (GP, Rally, Auto) just to stay afloat for years. The guys who were on that boat literally used the entire company as a lifeboat and let the ship sink knowing it wouldn’t be a big enough impact to damage the rest of the company. It’s real simple
You have to think too the top moto guys are making millions off their sponsorship deals as well. The top guys are making anywhere from $500k - $2M just from racing while making probably and equal amount from sponsorship deals and endorsement deals.
Ricky was salary only. No bonus he said but the salary was 4.5M
It’s Crazy to think They’re Minor League Baseball players that make more money from there ball club than a lot of the top riders do from they’re factory teams. I know they’re 2 completely different sports. But that’s just mind boggling to me.
The Suzukis otd price now hits the 10k mark. You'd be silly to not just buy a Honda or Yamaha at this point.
(Speaking on 450s here)
Very good point, I considered buying a 2024 rmz450 as a back up moto bike thinking they were much cheaper. Once I saw the msrp then add on my states taxes and fees is was not even much cheaper than anything else. Ended up with a 24 kx450 that I absolutely have loved so far for 7600 out the door as a 24 “left over”
@coreyploof217 it was one of the diamonds in the rough about the rmz. Things have been the same since 18, and you could get a brand new one for like 8k otd.
I haven't looked at the percentage increase from year to year, but I guess this year's jump means they may actually have an update for the 26 bikes. Who knows.
Most people making over $1m in the moto industry have the last name Feld.
Also gotta menton the crime to humanity when the drz factory burnt down and the same year an account stole over $2million from suzuki😢
Hey brah when you blew up did your phone 📱 start pinging none stop? ♠️ London
How is suzuki still in business? Suzuki doesn't make a SxS. Their motocross bikes, dual sports & sport bikes are all outdated.
RMZ 450 is now a vintage legal bike and the only thing suzuki makes worth beans anymore are BOAT motors.
Say they need to sell 90 million $ to make 9m on average 10k per bike that’s only 9000 bikes, I wonder if we can find the average # of bikes sold per year…. I bet in the USA alone it’s more than 9000
Simply put manufacturers need to pay more. They also need to have more rides available and for people that say that they don’t have enough money just simply Google some of the companies. Kawasaki heavy industries company only needs to sell one ship and probably pays for Moto for the next 8 to 10 years. Honda only needs to sell a handful of private jets that they built, Yamaha only needs to sell 50,000 pianos… they make way more in other industries than Moto. Whenever you see these companies invest into the sport you see the direct outcome. Take Yamaha for example, biggest 250 team, heavily invested in the amateur program, and as of late been the most dominant. More is better.
The economy and the cost of living plays a big part of motorcycle sales the current generation cannot afford to race motorcycle pay rent eat and live.
Well they could make that kind of money with endorsements
Who pays their medical bills? Rider or Team?
Rider.. 1099 employee
The Suzuki RM is now a 8 year major model update before it was 4 years. Rmz 450 was changed in 2018 next update is 2026. Expect an electric start in 2026.
So, Roger did it to Suzuki. Is that what they said?
Suzuki don't only produce dirtbikes. Yamaha always cought my eye and they ended up being fenominal bikes
Chad's was a insurance policy too.. sooo that doesn't make sense including him
For Suzuki, motorcycles are probably the least profiting in their repertoire
They also had I believe it was a lady in charge for motorcycle side that embezzled couple million I was reading and heard. But still didn’t make sense to me how that would bankrupt them lol they had it by the short and Curleys their the most winningest bike of all time
Team sports pay budget! Pros
Ken’s Suzuki bike is just the problem why nobody wants a Suzuki. we all know it’s expensive. I’m not talking about the money it’s the shock what causes a Suzuki a problem and nobody wants it.
What are you even trying to say? If you were referring to his shock blowing apart I can guarantee you that’s not what is coming on production bikes and shouldn’t drive your decision one way or another
I hope you don’t think that they give Ken a totally modded out SX bike and keep the suspension stock? He’ll no😂. There is probably very little stock Suzuki parts and He’s probably got around $12k+ worth of suspension work on that bike. Like all things mechanical, they fail for whatever reason. Selling dirtbikes is like a popularity contest in marketing which Suzuki has pulled out of.
Want to talk to someone about bankrupting a team by bonus? Talk to Mat Mladin and his AMA Superbike domination....Also, wouldn't sponsors pay teams bonus for wins? The numbers should have been Nett zero out of pocket for the manufacturer, but if the sponsors didn't pay their end of the deal the manufacturer/team would pick up the bill of course. Suzuki didnt pull out because they were going broke, they pulled out because they are a car company who makes motorcycles. Its not their core business.
They would sell more cars in India than recreational bikes globally (excluding scooters/step thrus etc).
they sell a lot of dirt bikes... more than you think.
It's the legacy bro , there in the records killing it . U can't buy that
Moto is mainstream enough but Feld and Monster are taking all the money. Look at the money RJ, Ward, Hannah, Stanton, JMB were making. Now the riders are making peanuts on a 100xmore dangerous track and bike. This shit doesn't addup.
Stewart?
Their financial struggles have nothing… I mean NOTHING to do with paying moto bonuses.
Also, to make $9,000,000 they’d have to sell less than 1,000 RMZ-450s. Which they do.
I disagree totally. It was not just 450's, it was all Suzuki bikes and products. I am not sure about you guys, but during that time of those three riders everyone had a Suzuki of all models and such. You could be right about the money, but they did sell the sh## out of bikes during this time.
That's complete nonsense. If they had trouble paying those bonuses then why would they go sink tens of millions on MotoGP after those wins. They've always been the smallest Japanese manufacturer and them pulling their cars out of the US market was the beginning of their real troubles.
They sold 1.91 million motorcycles in 2023…
This is two high finance specialist for sure 😂
An the amount of times he's saying like he's not a very good speaker bloody hell
they didn’t make close to 8m. more like 2
Jett Was probably closer to 8 last year
Pssst… Boys, hey over here… a few too many bong hits before the show maybe???… how did BOTH of you miss JS7 but remember Millsaps & Reedy?? Just say’n.
So he says he don't like outdoors it's too hard why would anyone want to sign this guy PC would be stupid if they kept him
Austin just sounds salty counting other peoples money sitting on the side lines, saying yeah they didn't make that much and and don't make anywhere near it now but jet and hunter have spent as much on cars as Austin has made in the past 5 years. Bruh they were flying private jets to practice days and driving lambos. Those guys were at the peak with advertising yeah maybe their bike deal wasn't 10 mill but the rest of it added up.
They've been broke
I would up-vote, but right now, at 199. Love the TP so nope!
OK, some A-hole voted, so now I can.
Like, like,like,like, this guy is the worst !!!!
Austin shouldn’t be asked anything related to math or intelligence.
since when did austin get so tatted🔥
I find it ironic with Austin's political stance online that he wears a Rage Against the Machine shirt. Obviously he's missed the message of the music. Tom and Zach would probably buy this shirt back off of him so he doesn't represent their band.
You guys obviously didnt attend math at school 😂 Suzuki would easily sell 2000 bikes a year in the US back in the early 2000's... easy... Do the math. Unit price back then was approximately 8000/8500 bucks. $8000 x 2000 = $16,000,000. Lets say, unit price as low as $6500 x 2000 = $13,000,000. If you have a quick google search you will see that Zuk sold over 2000 bikes during each of those years. Nearly 2000 in California alone, each year. They sold plenty of units to pay for bonuses 😂
😂bro turn down your pod cast voice. Why is your voice so bassy and raspy. You are literally blowing my tweeters out. Your louder than the person you are interviewing lol
All we hear on this channel is the riders aren’t paid enough,,(Rewind the tapes). So then we paid them,, a lot in some cases! This $Green infusion ‘possibly’ brings a major manufacturer near bankruptcy. So here we are..still kick’n bikes👎
All of a sudden..we hear ‘maybe’ they were paid too much🙄Which is it? You can’t have it both ways. What is this.. the Biden show?
Hey bro keep an eye on your investment portfolio I am anticipating a drop 🪨 look around in Socal and have the nation report we need jobs for all junior mulisha members 🤔 consolidation hit me up