Dang was hoping to learn how to do the upside down weld on the bottom, I’ve really struggled welding on my back shooting upwards. Hopefully I’ll find some of your other videos that show it. Really like this video, great info!
I know this is a old video , but as a professional that has done alot of different design welds , should of welded the back first , then grind through to the weld you done first from the outside , no stopping on corners , feather the stops and starts , frames do a significant amount of flexing , a inclusion or a flaw will work its way out towards failure of the weldment
Never ever make a vertical weld on a fish plate. Your plate should have been diamond taper cut looking like an arrow pointing left and right on the side of the frame and where the welds from the top and bottom come together at the point of the diamond the weld continues for 1/2 inch.
Fantastic! I am doing the same thing right now.I am going to use my plasma cutter to clean up the hole and then hopefully I can do as great a job as you did.
Hi, I was watching the video and nice job, but my job is on the bottom of dodge ram frame 2500 by my knee area salt chewed at frame So truck together not like yours apart with my mig at max Chicago electric it should do it well
Hey not bad. My hangers went bad in my truck.. removed them and the drivers side rear hanger behind it is a pretty bad hole. Should I just put a plate and redrill the hanger holes for the bolts?
I have seen weld shops use plate steel or channel, larger than the area of the rotted hole/area so you get back into solid metal to weld, and then go from there with the bracket. We have DOT approved shops in my area, you could stop in and ask them what their typical solution is for your situation. Good luck
This is the right way to patch a frame, not welding a plate over top of rust. the rust underneath will keep rusting and begin spreading to the other parts of the frame from the inside.
Great video!! I finally got the 1999 4wd ranger home and it is not in too bad of shape. There is one hole like yours I know of aand when I take the bed off I expect to find more. I was able to get a running, driving 1999 ford ranger 4wd XLT for 850$. I think I got a gret deal even with the mice smell in the cab...lol Your welding is spot on! I do not knw many professional welders that could do that well. What plasma cutter did you use?
Congrats on the purchase, those early rangers get good mpg's and hard to find these days. I used a Hypertherm 45xp, great machine, I sold it recently to buy a tig welder. Wasn't using the plasma cutter as much and thought the TIG would be better for sheet metal restoration. We shall see. :)
@@jdpower5552 Holy crap! When I found the truck i was shown a picture of a hole in front of the shock. Now that I am taking the bed off it seems that I may be rebuilding some rails. Nothing that I cannot handle but more than I had hoped to do.I guess I am just going to use the Hobart twin cylinder welder. It is a beast. It provide 300 amps for a 100% duty cycle.
Welding it properly won’t affect it, with proper methods, filler metal, and material, it can be done. Failure usually occurs in the HAZ (heat affected zone) and causes changes within the metals microstructure. Care should be taken with pre heat and post heat in large sections of metal where the heat is immediately drawn away from the weld and it cools to fast, ultimately causing a brittle weld and affected HAZ.
hay! just a tip for welding... when doing your horizontal weld drag the weld bead instead of pushing, it works a little better plus Your weld bead looks better if done correctly. as You have seen it will work if doing a push, however it works a bit better if You drag
Correct, dragging is there proper way to run weld. Slag stay to back end while Wells puttle forms at front end solidifies at back as you drag and swirl or pull and pause in circles.
lol these comments.. crack me up it doesn't mater if you push or pull but the vertical up portion that fast is a waste of time gi downward position in the automotive field.. also your doing a great job.. but a diamond fish plate is way better streath wise... got to love UA-cam everyones an expert on here...
That's actually incorrect. GMAW, short circuit transfer, using an er70 series wire is always pushed, not dragged. Take two welds, one pushed, one pulled, then run mechanical testing and x-ray on both. The pushed weld will yield far better results, every time. A dragged weld, in this scenario, may look better at the surface...but a pretty weld isn't always a good weld.
@@Homehous You don’t get a slag layer with mig you’re thinking of mma. Pushing with mig at a 15 degree torch angle is optimal for penetration. You are right about stick: “if it produces slag, you drag”
Alfred Arreguin Yes u could use stick, i don’t own a stick welder and i am much better at mig than stick especially at these material thicknesses. I have trouble controlling feed rate on stick
Hi I wanted to know if a 140 amp Lincoln mig welder would patch a truck frame?? I got some 1/8" plate and the factory frame is 1/8 inch so the total would be 1/4". I've welded off and on for over 15 years but maily it was body work but not on frames. So if the welder is able to do it then welding it should not be a problem.
Yes it can. It's still welding 1/8 plate. It will burn into each. Just do multiple passes making sure to tie in your beads. And don't do one continuous multiple pass weld in case the welds break. Leave a half inch in between each weld and don atleast 3 welds per side
Bevel the sides of your patch panel and be sure to get proper penetration with your welds. Try not to get one area hot at all if possible treat it just like welding body panels on and youll be good. Start with a 1 inch weld on one side then move to the opposite and so on. And you will get great results. 👍
Hi, the frame thickness measured with a calipers was about 0.218in (5.4mm) and patch material thickness, also measured with calipers, was 0.225in (5.7mm) or roughly 4Ga cold rolled steel
I wanted to try downhill, i just personally felt i could hold/manage the puddle better going uphill. I will try it downhill next time, thanks for the comment
Grampy Campy’s Bearcreek Homestead It can be tough to find folks who want to work on these small jobs, shops tend to want bigger stuff. Thanks for watching
Tareq Shosho All the rot was replaced. Most welding shops don’t even remove the rot they just put a another plate over the bad material, which helps address the deficiencies and brings it back up, but doesn’t make it stronger necessarily . How did your patch job fail u didn’t mention that in your comment.
You weld job will hold just fine. You could fish plate the inside to make it stronger though. I dont see how the other guys weld didn't last 6 months, unless he was doing Dukes of Hazzard with it or something.. lol
@@dennyatkins3842 Good point, I could have fish plated on the inside, and I wished I would have ran a weld bead off the corners to reduce stress in those areas. Good approach next time.
Thanks for your feedback, I will keep an eye on it, I do tend to run a bit hotter than I have to when welding. i am sure after 22years you can dial a welder in really fast.
Voltage, not current/amps. Wire feed machines are generally constant voltage units. Amperage is directly linked to wire feed speed. He has direct control of the voltage.
Really nice tutorial delivered in an easy to understand manner,no rushing. Subbed and greetings from the UK.
Dang was hoping to learn how to do the upside down weld on the bottom, I’ve really struggled welding on my back shooting upwards. Hopefully I’ll find some of your other videos that show it. Really like this video, great info!
Having trouble doing overhead welds?
Make sure to wear a nylon shirt when you do it 😂
turn the wire speed up to the next setting
Looks like you're doing a superb job to me.
Thanking you for this video. Any comments about rust treatment techniques before, during, and after the job?
I would apply two coats of the POR15 or Chassis Saver rather than one.
Good thing about those lenses are even if they dont darken you still get 100% uv and ir protection but still very bright.
I like the auto darken lenses, and also use it a lot for grinding
thank You for shearing Your video it is helpful to me!
I know this is a old video , but as a professional that has done alot of different design welds , should of welded the back first , then grind through to the weld you done first from the outside , no stopping on corners , feather the stops and starts , frames do a significant amount of flexing , a inclusion or a flaw will work its way out towards failure of the weldment
Thanks for the input 👍
Push or pulling is easier than side to side cutting because it’s a more natural movement
Never ever make a vertical weld on a fish plate. Your plate should have been diamond taper cut looking like an arrow pointing left and right on the side of the frame and where the welds from the top and bottom come together at the point of the diamond the weld continues for 1/2 inch.
@@user-io4sr7vg1v .....agree. I think I understand what he is saying but just want clarification
They are not considered fish plates are they?
Type O? Flitch plate. Still l think that refers to the steel between wooden headers
That is not a fish plate. He patched the frame. Fish plate would have went over that. What he did was fine.
Nice work, I liked the video! Welds looked good to me... :)
Looks tidy, great cuts and welds
Thanks, couldn’t find a shop that would take it on so gotta do it yourself with what ya got
Fantastic! I am doing the same thing right now.I am going to use my plasma cutter to clean up the hole and then hopefully I can do as great a job as you did.
Hi, I was watching the video and nice job, but my job is on the bottom of dodge ram frame 2500 by my knee area salt chewed at frame So truck together not like yours apart with my mig at max Chicago electric it should do it well
Hey not bad. My hangers went bad in my truck.. removed them and the drivers side rear hanger behind it is a pretty bad hole. Should I just put a plate and redrill the hanger holes for the bolts?
I have seen weld shops use plate steel or channel, larger than the area of the rotted hole/area so you get back into solid metal to weld, and then go from there with the bracket. We have DOT approved shops in my area, you could stop in and ask them what their typical solution is for your situation. Good luck
This is the right way to patch a frame, not welding a plate over top of rust. the rust underneath will keep rusting and begin spreading to the other parts of the frame from the inside.
Yes, this is the best video about rust repair on youtube. Everything else is shit and will fail soon.
@@eurobeatmachinist732 I try to do my best, one additional thing I could have done is run a bead off the corners, thanks for watching
where to buy the steel sheet? It costs more than frame itself, right?
Great video!! I finally got the 1999 4wd ranger home and it is not in too bad of shape. There is one hole like yours I know of aand when I take the bed off I expect to find more. I was able to get a running, driving 1999 ford ranger 4wd XLT for 850$. I think I got a gret deal even with the mice smell in the cab...lol Your welding is spot on! I do not knw many professional welders that could do that well. What plasma cutter did you use?
Congrats on the purchase, those early rangers get good mpg's and hard to find these days. I used a Hypertherm 45xp, great machine, I sold it recently to buy a tig welder. Wasn't using the plasma cutter as much and thought the TIG would be better for sheet metal restoration. We shall see. :)
@@jdpower5552 Holy crap! When I found the truck i was shown a picture of a hole in front of the shock. Now that I am taking the bed off it seems that I may be rebuilding some rails. Nothing that I cannot handle but more than I had hoped to do.I guess I am just going to use the Hobart twin cylinder welder. It is a beast. It provide 300 amps for a 100% duty cycle.
I'm your subscriber, I like your direction very much, it 's just boring, there are really 14 scripts in the world, but not with Georgian subtitles
Use a wire wheel to clean off rust, idk about more aggressive grinding wheels tho
Tom Stark I just got a wire wheel for another job, it worked well
Flapper wheels work great
Thanks for the video, so is ok to weld on frame, some people said that you not supposed to weld because welding is gonna weaken the entire frame.
If your welds are good then it shouldn't alter the structural strength other than to make it better if its f****d 🙏🏽
Welding it properly won’t affect it, with proper methods, filler metal, and material, it can be done. Failure usually occurs in the HAZ (heat affected zone) and causes changes within the metals microstructure. Care should be taken with pre heat and post heat in large sections of metal where the heat is immediately drawn away from the weld and it cools to fast, ultimately causing a brittle weld and affected HAZ.
In some states it's illegal.
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 Which ones?
hay! just a tip for welding... when doing your horizontal weld drag the weld bead instead of pushing, it works a little better plus Your weld bead looks better if done correctly. as You have seen it will work if doing a push, however it works a bit better if You drag
Correct, dragging is there proper way to run weld. Slag stay to back end while Wells puttle forms at front end solidifies at back as you drag and swirl or pull and pause in circles.
lol these comments.. crack me up it doesn't mater if you push or pull but the vertical up portion that fast is a waste of time gi downward position in the automotive field.. also your doing a great job.. but a diamond fish plate is way better streath wise... got to love UA-cam everyones an expert on here...
That's actually incorrect. GMAW, short circuit transfer, using an er70 series wire is always pushed, not dragged. Take two welds, one pushed, one pulled, then run mechanical testing and x-ray on both. The pushed weld will yield far better results, every time. A dragged weld, in this scenario, may look better at the surface...but a pretty weld isn't always a good weld.
@@Homehous You don’t get a slag layer with mig you’re thinking of mma. Pushing with mig at a 15 degree torch angle is optimal for penetration. You are right about stick: “if it produces slag, you drag”
again just a tip I am passing along from my welding instructor who taught me how to weld,
Can you use a stick welder to weld this up also? And if so why not use that.
Alfred Arreguin Yes u could use stick, i don’t own a stick welder and i am much better at mig than stick especially at these material thicknesses. I have trouble controlling feed rate on stick
Hi I wanted to know if a 140 amp Lincoln mig welder would patch a truck frame??
I got some 1/8" plate and the factory frame is 1/8 inch so the total would be 1/4".
I've welded off and on for over 15 years but maily it was body work but not on frames.
So if the welder is able to do it then welding it should not be a problem.
Are you trying to weld the 1/8in on top of your 1/8in frame where it's rusted out? I think the Lincoln 140 is 3/16in max.
Yes it can. It's still welding 1/8 plate. It will burn into each. Just do multiple passes making sure to tie in your beads. And don't do one continuous multiple pass weld in case the welds break. Leave a half inch in between each weld and don atleast 3 welds per side
Bevel the sides of your patch panel and be sure to get proper penetration with your welds. Try not to get one area hot at all if possible treat it just like welding body panels on and youll be good. Start with a 1 inch weld on one side then move to the opposite and so on. And you will get great results. 👍
Very nice work😁
Thanks!
Nice welding buddy
Thanks 👍
how do you fill in the holes ?
Weld the inside also?
nice welds, i think!
wha is the thickness of the metal that you used for the patches?
Hi, the frame thickness measured with a calipers was about 0.218in (5.4mm) and patch material thickness, also measured with calipers, was 0.225in (5.7mm) or roughly 4Ga cold rolled steel
Will that coverup be strong still?
I have every confidence it will hold up nicely, thanks for watching.
Never stop in the corner
Yeh i should have carried it out past the corner.
I've always found downhill way easier and being certified in up and downhill mig I can tell you downhill penitrates just as much as uphill does
I wanted to try downhill, i just personally felt i could hold/manage the puddle better going uphill. I will try it downhill next time, thanks for the comment
That's understandable it's always best to do what's comfortable
downhill for pretty, uphill for strength- it's easier to penetrate.
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 on thin metal down hill with electrode negative is effective, also important is to make sure your puddle is not globular.
I need someone to come weld my trucks cracked frame like that, can’t find anybody!
Grampy Campy’s Bearcreek Homestead
It can be tough to find folks who want to work on these small jobs, shops tend to want bigger stuff. Thanks for watching
JDPower 55 yup and the stigma too I have a clean strait up and down crack in my 03 F150
@@GrampyCampy Rent a welding machine and DIY :)
Can you down hand that weld
You could, but controlling the material may be tougher.
This is wrong I have try it didn't last for 6 mounth u should replace it or make it stronger
Tareq Shosho All the rot was replaced. Most welding shops don’t even remove the rot they just put a another plate over the bad material, which helps address the deficiencies and brings it back up, but doesn’t make it stronger necessarily . How did your patch job fail u didn’t mention that in your comment.
You weld job will hold just fine. You could fish plate the inside to make it stronger though. I dont see how the other guys weld didn't last 6 months, unless he was doing Dukes of Hazzard with it or something.. lol
@@dennyatkins3842 Good point, I could have fish plated on the inside, and I wished I would have ran a weld bead off the corners to reduce stress in those areas. Good approach next time.
To much undercutting on top weld... to much heat, turn down the amps and raise your wire speed up a little more.. I have been welding for 22 years...
Thanks for your feedback, I will keep an eye on it, I do tend to run a bit hotter than I have to when welding. i am sure after 22years you can dial a welder in really fast.
Voltage, not current/amps. Wire feed machines are generally constant voltage units. Amperage is directly linked to wire feed speed. He has direct control of the voltage.
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Thats a amateur patch job, sorry
lol there's always one. He's welding a chassis, not an oil pipeline to code. The patch welding was more than adequate
Boring, nearly fell into a coma...
Yup, just a DIY guy fixing his truck frame, perhaps MotorTrend channel is more your speed
Unfortunately you didn't fall into a coma while driving around a mountain curve... rude sack of sht