Questions Atheists Can/Can’t Answer - Debunked!?
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- The ACA recently released a video with questions that atheists can't answer, being answered. Then This guy, an AspiringChristian, decided that the answers were easy to debunk... so to make the chain even longer, I decided to respond to a debunking of a video about questions... because that's just what we do.
Can Atheists answer unanswerable questions? Does this guy respond accordingly? Do I say stupid stuff in extra response? Probably.
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Everything in this video is just an opinion, and should be treated as such - though it is important to ask questions. Any humour or sarcasm is aimed towards the words and actions of the individuals, and not intended to be a personal attack on any individual themselves, under the act of free speech
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Yep. Voldemort didn’t kill the Longbottom parents. Bellatrix tortured them. I can’t believe I got my fiction messed up. 🤦🏻♂️
Well you are steeped in fiction on the daily. Brain. tired.
Unacceptable
This type of misinformation is simply disgusting. I have lost all respect for you. In fact, I am getting my FBI friend to track you down right now. Good luck.
Oh for goodness sake, all of you!
Don't take Potter literally. You should look at the meaning. Voldemort did kill the Longbottoms if you get the interpretation right!
@@ploppysonofploppy6066whoa whoa. Don't blame voldermort, it's the fault of you the reader. That's how that is supposed to be interpreted you heathen. 😂
Calling mass murder and bigotry an 'opinion' is like calling cyanide a flavour.
Cyanide is a flavor, only if you put it in the kool-aid. Not for me.
I feel extra neckbeard-y saying this...but it was Flavor-Aid.
Welcome to the mind of the American conservative.
It tastes like dying!
@@daydreamerX200
I wouldn’t really know, so don’t take my word for it, but I think it has an almond flavor.
What's funny is that these "Questions Atheists Can't Answer" are ALWAYS THE SAME QUESTIONS that they've asked and we've answered for decades! It's like having a debate with someone who makes and argument, and then plugs their ears for your portion of the debate, and then denies that you even said anything. These questions are ALWAYS the same questions. There's NEVER any new ones. They just keep parroting and parroting, like they have no clue that anyone has even responded to them for decades.
Same time christians in USA, Texas Penal Code § 43. 23(f) Person who possesses six or more obscene devices or identical or similar obscene articles is presumed to possess them with intent to promote the same ... everyone remembers from the bible when Jesus was talking about how many sex toys you can own ?
Texas has no restrictions how many guns you can open carry to Walmart, but its illegal to posses 7 sex toys in your own home.
It seems like they’re not actually asking atheists any of these questions. And, they’re not actually asking for a honest answer. It seems they ask these questions as performance for like minded folks so they can feel like they’ve “owned” the atheists.
@@pete_lind which is weird considering texas's rampant child abuse problem means they might regard minors as fitting into the "you can't have 7 of these" mandate.
It could also be surface questions that they always have because they don't have the skills to look for the answers. They have anger and rage and just hit the RECORD button to vent it like they've just figure out something new. But, most of it comes from some authority like their pastor which is why they rightfully look uneducated.
Decades? More like millennia..
I am always baffled by this idea that "if something isn't infinitely meaningful, then it is meaningless." What a strange, and terribly depressing concept.
Agreed. It essentially says that everything we can see in reality is meaningless.
I'd just as soon find value in real things we see and interact with, thanks very much.
Every meal is meaningless...
Yet christians of that conviction can never answer the question WHAT the "purpose" they were supposedly given by god is.
Makes the idea that we give ourselves the purpose we need to go through life sound much better. At least we know why we do what we do and do not just follow some imaginary edict we have no information about the hows and whys for.
@@ziploc2000
It just turns into poop anyway, so why eat?
😄
@@Ugly_German_Truths
Something about "glorifying" god?
...With your mouth?
This guy seems to think "Gives an answer I don't like" and "Can't answer the question" are the same thing. An attitude that demonstrates absolutely nothing but his own ignorance and inability and/or unwillingness to argue in good faith.
It's really because that's what they think atheists are doing when we don't accept their answers. And that's where their bad faith comes in, because they aren't really listening to understand what atheists are saying, they're just ready to reply with scriptures or the same god filled talking points.
What is morality? Purple! There, I've answered it and just as well as any arguement for god I've heard yet.
not to mention he's extremely arrogant and sanctimonious which demonstrates his ignorance.
Doesn't this guy realize he is by definition a "mass murderer apologist?" Literally a minute before saying that he tried to justify the genocides in the bible.
That's totally different. Burning babies!
I would be so much happier if I were as ignorant as this dude
Yeah, the mental disconnect on him is really something.
Somebody stole half of that guy's birdcage.
hahaha 😂😂
I've been an atheist since age ten. I don't need an imaginary sky daddy to tell me how to conduct my private life. I consider myself to be a good person who cares about people, and the world around me. No supernatural entity required or desired.
There is no morals then so its all subjective. There is no "good". There is no "care" . Be consistent.
@@TheRareOcelotwow… English is not your first language?
“Care”, “morals”, “good “ all mean different things, just for your edification.
@@TheRareOcelot If you had read your own book you would already know that the christian god is extremely subjective.
He literally gives rules about how you are supposed to treat your *slaves*, and then straight up bans eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabric and boiling lamb meat in milk. He, for some inexplicable reason, couldn't just say "do not own other people as property, that's fucked up", no, he had to make regulations. But wearing polyester underwear lands you straight in hell.
You should be demanding consistency from your own side first.
@@TheRareOcelotmorals ARE subjective
no idea why that equates to it not existing, lack of morals would be subjective too
@@TheRareOcelot Morals have been around a lot longer than Christianity and has nothing to do with any religion. And if you want some terrible morals, just read the bible. It's full of genocide, torture, slavery, SA, killing of innocents and babies among other egregious things. Maybe you should be studying real books instead of religious fables.
I am from Estonia which is amongst the most secular countries in the world in addition to Scandinavian countries. Our public transport is free. Our health care is free. Our private income taxes are low. In this year we reached top three countries in the world when it comes to education. Abortion is legal, same-sex marriages are legalized. We don't have gun violence, etc...
This guy is so lovely. Knows nothing about anything.
More or less the same in Belgium.
But I think his worldview is limited by his brain.
@@MrCanis4What brain? The guy has the equivalent of dust bunnies running around in his skull. It is a miracle that his head hasn't collapsed.
Man, the sheer number of times AC bears false witness (especially about crime rates) makes him seem very un-Christlike. And a bit of a hypocrite.
The 9th commandment is Christian's favorite one to ignore.
My response to this has been uploaded. Let me know what you think!
@@AspiringChristianHow about the fact that you seem to believe Uganda & Saudi Arabia are better off & have less crime than Norway & Sweden?
You're a bearer of false witness, a hypocrite, a grifter, a conspiracy theorist, and a Pharisee. And on top of all that, you're completely ignorant of the entire world outside of the small area where you live.
@AspiringChristian
Can you give it in brief here. Also unless your opinion on the bearded one is also that he's objectively wrong on every point, I cannot trust that your opinions on this video response above is going to be completely honest. And that would torpedo your own video as an consequence. Not gonna lie.
I live in a country that relatively recently went through everything this Guy said was false. Look up Swedens governmental changes and national development from 1980 up to 2000. It is objectively what most theist refuse to accept is true regarding secularism, atheism and the improvements in economy standards and total happiness going up and up.
So let's hear if you have anything that's warranted or if you're just going to rephrase things the bearded one said in hopes of saying the same but being less obvious about it.
Yikes... the amount of secondhand embarrassment I feel for this guy is off the charts. 😬
He's a walking, talking, probably window licking example of "ignorance is bliss" 😂
I have no second hand embarrassment for him. I just experience first hand creepiness about him.
i’m sure he is not feeling any firsthand embarrassment.
@@riseofdarkleela My response ua-cam.com/video/42WBHDqFfsI/v-deo.htmlsi=hPvF_zHOvoAHiOwR
The sad thing is, he doesn't feel embarrassed at all.
This christian's america-centredness was showing from the 1st question. Western Europe and the UK are vastly more secular than the states. They have far better metrics on looking after their population, even though the UK is currently racing towards the American model.
Thanks for all of your work and videos this year. Cheers.
Teenage [unwanted] pregnancy rates 🤔 I wonder if there is a positive correlation with how religious a country is ...
I doubt he knows much of what happens outside the US.
@@grahvisI doubt he knows much of what is happening inside of the US. It is not exactly a coherent society.
Germany, even though a large percentage is still catholic, smaller portions are evangelics and another portion is muslim and even though we have a christian national party in the government, is much more secular than the US.
@@Soapy-chan I read an interesting study that linked universal healthcare with declining rates of religiosity. It looks like religion really is the opium for the masses in laissez-faire capitalism.
As an atheist of 55 years I had no idea I didn't exist!
I also had no idea that talking donkeys are a real thing.
And as for mental illness; you have no idea how cuckoo I can get, but that's only because I'm married with two teenage daughters!
I'm almost expecting the Confederate flag and an AR-15 in the background with his Duck Dynasty look-alike; he sure has the ideology!
Those Venn diagrams almost overlap into a perfect circle
I was thinking the other day of how I became an atheist, which was a gradual process over several years, moving from Roman Catholic to undifferentiated Christian to deist to agnostic to atheist, and at what point in my life that progress was complete. And what do you know, it was just about 55 years ago. We are "brothers of separate mothers!" 🙂
And has no idea that outside his little country (less than 4% of the world's population) there is another 96% of the world's population that doesn't give a damn about HIS BS.
@@whoviatingwow! You must be an older person. That's a long process. Mine was relatively short. It began early 2022 and ended in November of that year. I went from Jehovah's Witness to doubting Witness to theist who couldn't stomach the idea of worshipping a cruel God like Jehovah to atheist. It was quite a painful process and one that suddenly made me acutely aware of my morality. I'm 21 btw.
@@pythondrink "You must be an older person" Yuppers. 🙂
I think my process was different than many in that it didn't involve actively rejecting God and it wasn't painful. The initial break was from the idea of organized religion. Why, I thought, would God be such a tight-a** about all these rites and rules? Why would he care? Noting how much of "Christianity" was actually based on Paul, not Jesus, also factored in. After that and over time, the whole concept of God and then of any god made less and less sense and became more and more irrelevant to my personal sense of the nature of reality until it was totally unnecessary. I could go on but I think that's already more than you were expecting or even wanted. 😉
The most ironic thing in this entire video was this guy saying that morality being an opinion would lead to something like people looking down on left-handed people. What's ironic about that is that Christians for a very long time used their "objective" morality to say that people who were left-handed were evil
This guy has faith in being the guy who's opinion is the right one and everyone else must agree with him. 😂
Both the left and the right have their stupid beliefs they claim as fact and everyone must accept their beliefs as factual without question. The right calls their stupid beliefs religion. The left calls their stupid beliefs trans ideology/woke.
And also that guy who is completely wrong.
He's obviously not spent any time thinking about this very hard he's just repeating the shitty arguments of his pastor.
@@AspiringChristian Your god is a figment of your deluded imagination. The god from the bible have so many self contradiction that it makes it's existence impossible. I don't say that gods are impossible, I only say that the Abrahamic gods are impossible. Also, their description make them abominable monsters, creators of untold evil and useless suffering. An all loving god who forgives would have forgiven the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and thus, there would have been NO original sin. Hell would NOT exist.
He's an antivaxxer, big shocker there. lol
Dude equated mental health with Atheism? I've seen a lot of people carrying signs saying, "the end is near" or "he is coming" and I'm thinking they may be ill and religious. Every time we hear the world is ending it's sky guy related. And he said Christians "rehabilitated" homeless people? Did he mean re-habituated?
The only time i've ever heard of unhoused people being "rehabilitated" or whatever the far less dumb term is, is when progressive programs take the time and provide them with the means to get back on their feet. It's not churches doing this. Churches MAYBE run shelters where they can stay for a little while, but having had to look into those last year because I didn't want to sleep on the street in a hundred degree drought weather, they're not exactly easy to get into.
It’s anecdotal, I know, but I’ve known a few people who were devout and suffering significant mental illness. Not saying being religious is a mental illness, but it doesn’t seem like atheism is the issue.
I could be wrong, but I think I've seen references to studies that indicate people with schizoaffective disorders who are devout believers tend to have poorer outcomes in treatment than those who aren't.
I can't imagine not wanting to learn anything and being so arrogant about what I say even though I am too dumb to use the google search engine. It just blows my mind.
What’s scarier, Christians being good because of the threat of eternal damnation or Ahiests being good because it’s just the right thing to do for a cohesive society.
definitely more concerned about the feelings of my fellow humans and our biosphere than about those of an alleged meanie who has scanty evidence to support existence.
People are terrible to each other. My full response to this video has been uploaded today. Cheers and Happy New Year!
@@AspiringChristian you had me at "people are terrible" 🤦♀/s
@@riseofdarkleela Have people always treated you fairly and put your needs above theirs?
@@AspiringChristian not always, but usually yes they treat me fairly. Black or white thinking doesn’t apply. as far as putting my needs above their own, I would not even want them to. Occasionally, yes, because there’s a reason. My friends have a nice balancing dance between whose needs are most important at the time. I’m very very, very satisfied overall with my life. Far more so than when I was a Christian, although I thought I was very happy then as well.
Japan is another country that went very secular with better outcomes. (Aside from mental health issues, which isn’t treated as well as it could be. But at least they don’t blame it on demons!)
I don't think that's entirely true, they have their own set of mythical creatures and spirits, I am sure some people there blame stuff on them as well.
@@Soapy-chansuperstitions.
@@I.am.hooked yes, though any religious belief is superstition, people just don't like that, which is why they only call things most people don't believe anymore that.
@@Soapy-chan yes. I agree
@@Soapy-chanFor the most part they do realize that stuff isn't true, they just like having fun with the old stories. And wouldn't you? The yokai are such a perfect medium for storytelling just by themselves, not to mention the gods and monsters and all kinds of crazy stuff that doesn't even translate. Just watch literally any anime LOL
Around the 8:00 mark when he says everyone has a sense of morality....no we dont. Our morals are based on cultural context and there are people who dont have a sense of morality. Try saying that we should have blasphemy laws in Japan versus America versus Iran and you'll get different answers. Try explaining morality to people who don't have an "innate moral compass". He's wrong on so many levels.
Yes, it's spoken like a true sheltered white boy.
hmm. arent those all senses of morality, subjective but still applied?
@@torglesnarfprimethat’s the point, it’s not objective
@@torglesnarfprime
Morals do exist, but they aren't set in stone. We have to learn them, therefore the moral compass changes over time. Our morals aren't identical with the morals from 200 years ago. Even bible-believing christians from 200 years ago would have different morals than the bible-believing christians nowadays.
But our morals not only change on a global/country/society-level, they can be bend, interpret or changed on smaller scales down to the individual based on their respective surroundings. A fundamentalist preacher in one church and a progressive preacher in the next church can spread totally different moral views within a city. Having to work 3 jobs without a safety net or getting money through a living inheritance can also influence your views.
Therefore morals can be seen as an indiviual opinion or view, but it can still have limits. And even then some psychological disorders can shift those limits dramatically or even delete them completly. And even without this, people regularly do something outside of their morality.
So, sure call that morality(most do), but it's not the thing described in the bible.
I've always found it telling that every time that someone claims that there is objective morality and that the rules are written in our hearts, they never discuss mental illnesses that make a person in capable of telling the difference right from wrong, such as sociopathic behavior or narcissism. My father is a narcissist and he genuinely doesn't understand why his behavior is hurtful.
one of his "ridiculous propositions" was "everyone who's left handed should be in internment camps". he does know that people in the past were convinced being left-handed was a surefire sign someone was evil? The old Latin word for left-handed is used as a frickin' synonym for "evil" today: sinister.
They got the handedness equivalent of conversion therapy.
I'm left handed, and love telling people I'm sinister by birth.
Him "knowing things" isn't a thing.
One of the many many things the brainwashed simpleton does not know.
It wasn't that long ago that some teachers would physically abuse any left handed kids to force them into using just their right hand. There are plenty of people alive today who went to school when that was a thing.
I like question 2. I don't care if others believe and worship gods, but the question is still a bit odd. It's like asking "Why do you care if the person sitting next to you is knitting a sweater that isn't there?" Because if they are capable of that, I'd be a tad wary of what else they're capable of.
Not really. It's more like the person next to you knitting a sweater that isn't there, turning to you holding the knitting needle to your throat and demanding you admit the sweater is there and immediate take up knitting yourself or else...
Well, depending on where you live and which "kind" of Christian you interact with, the scenario can be anything for them holding an "invisible" knitting needle to your throat to actually doing physical harm if you don't comply. 🤔
It's not a hypothetical, it's not "potential" danger - Christians that insist non-Christians obey their mandates are a genuine and active danger to other people, if not through actual violence, then with a clear and explicit threat of harm (i.e. Hell).
More like... "okay, they're knitting a sweater that doesn't exist, why do they think this gives them any kind of right to tell ME how to live my life and also, how does that, for whatever reason, make them more sane than the dude down the street who thinks he's Napoleon's reincarnation?".
Plus, when they start saying "if you knit the invisible sweater, you won't get sick" despite people OBVIOUSLY getting sick because they're wearing invisible sweaters instead of ACTUAL sweaters in the snow, at that point, it starts negatively affecting others.
I've seen Christian "charity" first hand, as I'm unhoused. We're FORCED to go to church in order to get a bed and/or food. As well as the "charity" of my Kansan Christian neighbors when I panhandle tends to be, "Get a job!", "You're such a lazy [fill in with derogatory term]", etc. (Literally had a guy threaten me with violence just today, it does happen much more rarely, but hardly what Jesus would do)
Charity is not a replacement for proper social care.
I wish we didn't have evidence like that to prove this guy wrong. No one deserves to be treated like that (you do not deserve to be treated like that) and it's especially egregious coming from a culture that specifically preaches the exact opposite. They'll preach kindness and in THE SAME BREATH prove they're not even listening to themselves. They claim to have such wonderful "beliefs" but only ever use them as an excuse to judge, condemn, and oppress. It's WILDLY abusive and they act like they're the only good people on Earth and only their "beliefs" should ever be recognized and OBEYED.
@@solomonverrico Thank you. And I kinda understand them, as I was raised Baptist. They see their actions, even hateful actions like telling someone to stop being lazy and getting a job, as good actions (no clue how they justify the violence, but hey). They're the good guys by default, so they don't see a need to self reflect and when they preach kindness, "kindness" here means THEIR version
Luke 12:33 "Don't enable those lazy poors, for they just need to get off their asses and work harder. Fuck them, get yours."
as a founder of an Atheist organization (Epistemic Justice Society), I have some great books reporting research about the charitable expenditures & impacts of Christian versus Secular philanthropic organizations. These universally conclude that secular charities are at least 4 × more effectively impactful than theistic charities.
Interesting how Christians talk about giving to charities and how much good they do, they always leave one thing out. The majority of the time the money and stuff they give to charities goes to Christian charities. So it's just Christians giving to Christians. LOL
Ohhh, interesting.
"I'm not comfortable with your answer so it doesn't count.". Gotta be my favourite kind of deflection from theists! 👍
Man with more beard than brain talks about how not having big skydaddies causes othering while othering everybody but himself. Brilliant.
The guy :"Why do you hate zealots?"
The same guy: "If not for the Beeble I'd go on a killing spree..."
Yup, that.
As I have said so many times, do theists misrepresent reality? Who could have seen this coming?
bro. what are you talking about.
Let me know where I misrepresented reality in my newest video uploaded today which is a reply to this
The more this guy speaks, the deeper in LaLaLand.
Praise be to Lisa the giraffe!
Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe is good all the time. She never did a massive genocide by DROWNING everyone on earth.
@@Danny451 and she doesn't send 100 billion people to hell throughout history, create Satan, allow sin to enter the world, get jealous, kill as many as millions of people throughout her holy book, deny science, AND she ate all the gods and pooped out the universe.
I would like to know what "more hen" means @TheSkepTick
@@samuelforce7883in native American and Celtic cultures, Moorhens are considered spiritual birds, with symbolism and meaning that go beyond the physical world. I assume that is the idea.
It just sounds like Amen. And is as ridiculous as it too 😅
The basic rule of "the more lip smack the worse the argument" has been confirmed again.
Thanks, aspiring theist.
When were Neville's parents killed? I thought they were tortured into insanity.
That was the only thing I was „mad“ about in this video 😅😂 but using HP in your videos is nice ! Greetings from Germany
And it wasn't Voldemort.
Bellatrix Lestrange tortured Neville's parents with the cruciatus curse until they went insane and needed to be hospitalized.
Crime has fallen over all its gone up slightly in the last few years but its down way down from the 70 and 80s
4:03 Also don't know when original vid was made, but the Head of the House is literally a YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST! Even does the pron accountability thing w/ his teenage son.
This man had no idea what he was trying to say.
Being Norwegian, I thank you for the shutout to my native land! ❤ I would also add Japan to that list, as they are not members of the big 4 (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism) and have very low crime and a better social wellbeing.
This guy came close to asking a question that can be answered through objective data - but he's giving off vibes that suggest he's not really interested in those outcomes. I'd love to talk to him more about this and try to see what facts would satisfy his doubts, because he's at least acting like it might matter at some point.
Well, he hasn't turned off comments on the video yet, so go for it!
@@starofjustice1 Good call, I went and did that
@@BillGarretti am curious how that will go
Hey, I’m up for some discussion around these topics. Going back and forth extensively in comments isn’t attractive to me due to the time involved. If I get a video response I’m made aware of I’m certainly up for replying.
problem is not just religion,it's dogma.
And politics,ethic are really dogmatic now.
There are lots of standard apologetics that, when used, signal to everyone "I shouldn't be taken seriously", and "opinion=whim" is one of them. It's the epitome of dishonesty, stupidity, and disrespect for one's listeners.
I find his comment on left handedness interesting as a couple of thousand years ago, left handed people were seen as being evil. "Sinister" in Latin means left.
At least those atheist groups PAY TAX.
This guy made my head hurt, I had to pause your video half way through and take a nap to get rid of that headache. He's not debunking anything, he's just saying random stuff then going "insert debunked god answer here."
I hope to hear more and more references to ACA as I listen to all these channels.
That last bit about nobody remembering you in the end. That just made me remember that the internet could possibly be out there for much much much longer than any one of us. And I'm not just saying you know they'll switch to something else cuz I'm sure they will but that it can be replayed generations later. These people might be forgotten in some aspects. But the fact that they stood up there and went and used all these fallacies and lied and manipulated. I really hope that in say even 10 years were beyond this silliness of apologetics. Because it would just be nice that we become a smarter group as a whole. But also it's very interesting to me to think that people of the future will watch this in probably do just as many baseballs as we do now.
I keep saying, on all of these "debunking atheism" videos, that there is literally one and only one way to debunk atheism. Show evidence that some god exists. That's it. Because if I say don't believe there are any gods, how else can that be debunked? Telling me I actually do and that I'm lying? Well if thats what they want to say, they can eat my whole a$$ because I don't need some sweaty theist demanding I'm lying.
there are so many who do say you would be lying
@Soapy-chan well they better get in line for the a$$ buffet then.
@@thekwjiboo you're gonna be busy xD
I can’t take a guy in a birdcage seriously.
wow, that was painful. And you should so write that book!! Praise be to Lisa!
Not sure where this guy is located, but the "bible belt" here in the US is also the:
-Divorce belt / teen pregnancy belt / obesity belt / poverty belt / high infant mortality belt / low life expectancy belt / homicide belt / stroke and heart disease belt...
Wow, this guy just aggressively did not listen to anything the hosts said, huh?
Here's a question. Where's your god?
He's helping someone to find their car keys.
Error 404: god not found
Look at the trees.
(Well, it’s a place to start.)
Dude I gotta give it to you. For someone who isn't even American. You are damned right about what's wrong with America. And thank you for that.
Sometimes it takes an outsider's perspective.
Evolution… might as well be the holocaust for the left handed…
Ducking hell, now that’s a major leap in logic.
That ‘30 million people who haven’t taken a certain medical product’. Would he be talking about a certain vaccine, perchance?
Correlation between religiosity and cov1d denial ?
Notice he ignored the objective fact that his whole "oppressing for believing or being different" is _literally something Christian theocrats have been doing for years._
1930s Germany, Uganda's religious laws that make being gay or trans punishable by death, etc.
Of course, he's also a weird conspiracy theorist - I have yet to meat a Christian nationalist that isn't.
What? Nah! I mean it's not like there are certain religious groups that reject medicine all together! /s
Some of us are atheists and did not trust the sudden push of experimental drugs. We now have a host of health issues that did not exist before , or were extremely rare.
I cant believe some people still think the jabs are fine...
Crime rates have been trending downward for about 30 years as the U.S. has been becoming more secular. I’m not saying there’s a causal relationship, just pointing out an apparent flaw in his argument.
We can answer any question. Some answer will be o don’t know because we don’t know. It’s better than lying or making up ridiculous stories about floods and giants and Jewish zombies.
I work around court proceedings and investigations... let's say, conservatively, I've worked on 2k cases in 22 years. 75% of accused have been Christians when they have committed their offenses (from child molestation, larceny, murder, theft, etc). Only about three confirmed atheists, two Buddhists, one Greek polytheism, and about five deists. The Christians were sometimes actual pastors, sometimes sons of pastors, and often raised in very conservative religious households.
Sorry if I don't trust that the Christian way of life, ornthe way they achieve their purpose, is legit. I just listened to some interviews about how this religious parent abused his 11 and 13 y/o daughters, and they took it because they feared the parent would abuse their 5 y/o sibling if they refused.
But I, as an atheist that would never do this, EVER, am wrong about my purpose in life and my morality? But they're RIGHT? Huh...
Given the abuse (and systematic coverups!!) in the Catholic Church and the SBC, this guy shouldn’t throw stones from his glass -birdcage- house.
Did that dude just say that America was becoming more and more secular?
Where?!
There’s only one member of congress (just one) who is considers herself atheist, Kyrsten Sinema, but you don’t have to worry about her; because she’ll happily back Christian laws if the price is right.
Please, please, please write "the history and stories of Lisa the rainbow giraffe" (leaf be upon her), that is a book I most definitely have to read!!!
This might not be the case across the board, but all the church-related charities I've seen expect charity receivers to either A. Already be a tithe-paying member of the church or B. Join the church and start paying tithes before receiving charity. Sure, there may be individual religious folk giving handouts to the homeless, but they're advertising for their church while they're doing it.
It's not charity if you expect something in return.
I am ambidextrous. Explain that one god boy.
“Why do you care if people believe in God?”
Same reason I care if they think the earth is flat. Conspiratorial thinking compounds upon itself.
Interesting how Redbeard there didn't cite any sources for his claims. Also, the relative proportion of atheist vs. theist charities is hard to say because who's keeping stats on that & how are they deciding what does & doesn't count as a charity? I imagine he wouldn't think it's fair to count non-profits that provide deconversion resources, but that would similarly rule out many Cristian charities.
Morals are rules we come up with to govern behavior. They're not very effective if we don't care about them, so we tend to develop very strong feelings, so much so that they don't really feel like opinions. But, crucially, every society feels this way, even if their morals contradict each other. You would say child sacrifice is evil, but the Aztecs would say you're evil for opposing giving to the gods what is necessary to ensure the survival of the human race. I agree we can't just say it's all a matter of opinion & call it a day, but "my imaginary thing is better than their imaginary thing" isn't better. Something like secular humanism makes more sense because we're all humans, so we can all benefit from it, & it relies on principles we can actually observe, like demonstrable harm.
I love how he thinks "if you're mad about genocide because this culture also did something bad, you're probably an atheist" is an insult. For one, that culture you're destroying includes the babies, so I don't know why you're acting like you're their savior. You're objectively killing more babies than they would have normally. Also, not everything has to be about blood & destruction. You could change the culture so they no longer burn babies. As your own religion points out, everyone does bad things, so by this standard, ALL human cultures deserve nothing but total eradication. But please tell me more about my objectively inferior morality. It's also wild how he goes into "but people might justify mass murder" immediately after justifying mass murder.
In a hundred years, YOU will probably be dead, but you may very well have descendants still around. Do you really want your grandchildren to live in a world where people just murder all willy-nilly? For that matter, could you take or leave being brutally tortured for years on end? From your perspective, it doesn't matter, right? You go to the same eternal destination regardless. I'm not talking about "it's wrong for them to do it because it violates God's commands," I'm talking about if it makes a difference to YOU what happens to YOU RIGHT NOW even if it doesn't affect eternity.
I'm going to go back to not believing this dude about rates of crimes because he's still not citing any sources & his claims seem to contradict stats I've seen before. But hey, if he wants to tell me he's a bad guy, I won't fight him on it. Let's ignore the bad opinions of this bad man.
I'm not so narcissistic that I care if a bunch of people I will never meet will know my name in hundreds of years. My life has value to me and, hopefully, to the people around me. That is enough.
I think I've figured out why these guys always fumble these questions of morality so hard; it's because they are limiting their scope to individuals, as though the subject is alone on an island with no interaction with any other living thing at all. They seem to forget that a society is a group of individuals who share many base components and modes of thought.
Empathy, altruism, pain receptors; when you factor in that [subject 2] has the same set of modifiers (generally speaking) as [subject 1], their interactions and cooperation (morality) starts to make a lot more sense.
Group dynamics, not just individual.
That's because they do whatever the hell they want, then pretend their book says thats moral and everyone is supposed to act that way. If you never think about what's actually moral, you can't even grasp the concept...
I find it funny how they ignore all the evidence against them and only pay attention to one of the most religious atheist groups to say why taking religion out of the government doesn’t work
"Most religious atheist groups"
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@@chasejulia communism which have you heard the stuff the North Korean government says about their leader?
@@huntersmith1943which is the same category error the theists make.
North Korea is a theocracy, with the Kim’s as its gods. It may have a communist economy, but it is in no way atheist.
Communism is not a substitute for theism. You can have a theocratic democratic capitalist government (like America has), or an atheist democratic capitalist government (like New Zealand has).
People who claim taking God out of the government or (even better) out of society is pushing for communism are either dishonest or idiots.
@@huntersmith1943 Communism is not a religion, it's a political philosophy. Just because ONE country uses it AND worships their own leader doesn't mean they're the same thing.
@@solomonverrico so how do you define religion then and just north korea is most well known example, I know communism isn’t a religion in of itself but it is often lead to worship of the leader
Good episode
Non-theistic charity organizations also tend to have WAY less strings attached and way less scandals than theistic ones. Just saying... Non-Theistic charities don't try to hold their charity hostage contingent on a declaration of Faith.
as an atheist dane im proud to be used as an example - thank you
"Steven Hawkings..." This dude is checking ALLLLLLLL the boxes and the only thing I can hear is that song they play when all the clowns start piling out of the tiny car.
There's a phenomenon that all these guys seem to suffer from: their book of fairytales somehow makes it impossible for them to use google
4:00 This guy isn't asking a question of an atheist. He's asking a whole load of biased, heavily loaded questions based on all kinds of false assumptions and misinformation. He doesn't deserve any answer other than, "Cut out the gish gallop, loaded questions based on false assumption and all the rest. Ask ONE straightforward question motivated from a sincere desire to understand the person to whom you are addressing it."
3:25 The US does not have daily school shooting. In fact, the last shooting we have (as of the release of this video) was december six, twenty twenty three.
Hey @TheSkepTick - I hope you get read this comment.
You say, and I hear this from many youtubers (it is not just you), that Scandinavian (Sweden, Denmark and Norway) countries are atheistic / non believing. They are not, their approach to faith / worship is just very different from what you see in the US and middle east. This approach makes it very difficult to study the topic, so difficult that even those who understand the Scandinavian mindset gets wildly different results (setting the numbers of believers to 30-70%, that is a huge uncertainty). But the consensus among experts, both believers and non-believers, is that it is plain wrong to call the Scandinavian countries for atheistic / non believing
I find it hard to believe in the veracity of a proposition that requires lying, obfuscation, strawmanning etc. Like they say in the legal field “if the facts are on your side, pound of the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither one is on your side, pound the table and talk nonsense.”
What do you think about transcendental argument, are you familiar with Jay Dyer?
Honestly even if I can't answer the question, that doesn't mean that if the Christian can they are right.
A lot of students can't answer mathematical questions beyond their capability. That doesn't stop some people from doing so anyway, often with wrong answers and no working to back it.
Its really sad how often these arguments turn into "if my particular god doesnt exist, then nothing matters and we can do whatever we want".
And says a lot about the emotional immaturity of some of the religious. They can't find good by themselves, they have to be told a set of rules by the strongest available authority figure. That's how little kids understand morality.
First of all, morals come from our environment. When one witnesses something harmful happening to a person from another person's intention, I can be aware that that harmful thing that happened I wouldn't want that to happen to me so I can form a moral reasoning to never harm someone the way that other person was harmed . Being cheated is a bad thing done to you, so you wouldn't want to cheat anyone else. These are how our morals form by observation in our environment. The environment I speak of is plural. There are many environments we find ourselves in and what harm is observed within these environments that guide you through how you want to represent yourself to society. I base my morals on this one simple decree; do your very best to avoid doing harm to yourself and all others. This reasoning is far better than do unto others as they have done unto you. Or, in more simple words, an eye for an eye. Knowing that I myself is responsible for how I present myself morally gives me the relief to know that that's how I want to behave among my peers in society not just because I will be punished by some being that wants to behave the way he wants me to. This diminishes my own autonomy by taking the moral decisions away from my own preferences. This, in turn, leaves us all to being nonauthentic.
Oh! Please tell us that you really are writing the adventures of Lisa, the Rainbow Giraffe.
What is the original context of the "Oooooh!" clip? Curiosity has been killing me.
Note: do not google "satisfied young black man".
Also... there are actually _fewer_ "Communist" countries today than there were when i was a kid in the 70s.
I hope you were serious about the book about Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe (LBUH)
Utilitarianism is the killshot to objective morality, if not to mention that everytime an apologist brings up objective morality they literally provide their own examples of morality not being objective as if it proves that they’re right when they’re literally just saying “we have similar views on what’s right and wrong because we share a common culture, if morality was really subjective you would have a morality more like [xyz] because compassion and empathy is my thing!”
Where have we seen a rise in secularism and a rise in atheism with better outcomes.
We've seen in in 1980s to the turn of 2000 in Sweden.
The religious hold on the natural economic system were let go and more secular institutions rose up with more equality and focus on the education system. Atheism rose with the wayning theocratic direction the country previously followed.
The country rose overall in both total happiness and economic wealth.
Morality is a conclusion you can reach without the need to believe in any diety - did he really said what I think he said?
who and where did he say that?
@@TheRareOcelot 7:33 - the bearded guy, not the floating circle.
In supposedly very Catholic Poland, religiousness dropped like a stone as soon as we joined EU and our GDP started rising. We could see live the correlation between wealth of society rising and secularization progressing.
The only question I can't answer about theists is "How many times can they regurgitate the same stupid questions that have been answered a million times before?"
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A couple of points you didn't touch on that I think bear mentioning:
Yes, there are a lot of Christian charities that do great work, but they almost all include proselytizing as part of there work. Want that meal, hungry homeless person? First you have to pray with us.
Every country that has secularized has gotten better, including the US. Yes, there's a bloody church on every corner, but the country is more secular than it was, and has gotten better for it. Crime rates are dropping, for example. They're up recently, but since, say, the 1970s, they're much better. And check the rates of religiosity among the prison population.
Has anyone, anywhere, ever committed a crime because they thought there was no god, so there would be no consequences? Also, WTF is wrong with you if the ONLY thing that's keeping you from committing a crime is your belief in a god?
Communist countries were officially atheist, but that doesn't mean thier populations were. In fact, the opposite seemed to be true in the Soviet Union, but religion had to be practiced in secret.
Mass murder apologists? You mean Christians? (cf. Sodom & Gomorrah; the Noachian Flood, et al)
Regarding drug overdose deaths, I would argue that Christian beliefs have made them exponentially worse. The belief in free will, the idea that we are solely responsible for our own actions, with no influence from outside sources, and that threat of punishment is the best inducement for good behavior are all Christian ideas and they have kept the US back for centuries.
We don't need religion, we have empathy. Our sense of right and wrong comes from a desire not to cause others hurt/pain/diacomfort/inconvenience.
Bro is coping big time
A particular action or choice is moral or right when it somehow promotes happiness, well-being, health, or; it somehow minimizes unnecessary harm, and suffering, or does both. A particular action or choice is immoral or wrong when it somehow diminishes happiness, well-being, or health; or it somehow causes unnecessary harm, suffering, or does both.
Please note, that nothing about this is subjective or relativistic. The fact that murder causes harm or saving a life minimizes harm is not a personal opinion. It's true for almost everyone. Harm, pain, suffering, health, well-being are real things. They're not contingent on my mind. I don't have to agree that you're dying for you to be dying. Bodies live and die. Brains experience pain, suffering, and they experience joy and health. Well-being is objectively measurable.
~Scott Clifton
Also regarding question #2 i would encourage anyone that heard this question and thinks its a "gotcha" for atheists... i woild lk,e to draw your attention to a period in history known as The Age of Reason.... now being an outright atheist was of course not something the ordinary citizen could do, (think ostracization, prison or death sentence) *but* it was most certainly a move toward a more secularist society as people began to relearn and expand upon science and the arts from the classical era that was overshadowed by the Dark Ages. Science flourished and was sponsored by nobles. Also the concepts that would one day lead to more democratic forms of government, a move away from thinking slavery was ethical and the suffrage/emancipation of women were all laid in Western Civilization during this period of history. Monarchy moved away from authoritarianism and the idea of the divine right of kings. I wont go into the golden age during Ancient Greece.
The thing about opinions is that they can be scientifically investigated.
What facts are there to back up said opinion? Has this been tried before, and what were the results? If it hasn't been tried before, can we do it on a small scale and see what results come to fruition?
That's why I find bickering about opinions pretty much useless. It's not going to get anybody anywhere. Finding out if opinions can work in the real world is where it's at.
What do they call that again? I think I mentioned it before. Ah yes, science.
4:51 How many of the Christian charities do you think require or heavily push conversion to their religion for the charity? 🙄
Thanks!
A left handed person can have the advantage in combat, they're used to the right handed world, the right handed aren't used to them and they have the advantage of surprise.
I dunno if there's a possible evolutionary trait, but it's plausible enough not to deny it.
It’s hilarious that he says others are being an apologist for mass murders then while he is an apologist for the biggest mass murder of all time.
He should think twice before using left handed people as an example. Considering left-handed people have been historically mistreated by religion.
"Mass Murderers will have people who provide justifications for those mass murders"... he says, as he is trying to justify the actions of his prefered mass murderer. The mental disconnects on this guy are astounding. And he apparently is the kind of christian who likes calling himself christian, yet denies about 80% of his holy book.
Why would you eat anything but peanut butter if it alone can keep you alive?