Presupposition and Fictional Analysis | Introduction / Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this video we go over presupposition and the discourse of epistemological debates concerning fictional analysis and its assumptions. How do we know what is and isn't true in fiction? Is anything true?
Where's the light?
Minato is subsonic u nerd!1!1! XD
Is the universe a simulation? are we brains in a vat??? are other people self aware??? Is this the dream of a butterfly?? all of these questions presuppose that a clear distinction exist between real and not real. if the universe is a simulation than it is modeled on the real thing or the real thing might be so radically different that it would be unintelligible to us, are we not real? we would still be real as real as Pain from Naruto. suppose that the universe is some kind of disc CD and it just floats in the dark abyss of nothingness and that is a true and ultimate fact, well then Real =/= Simulation, a magical disc from were we stand, that is so out there. In a dream you are the whole dream, interesting, so I guess in the world each of us are like pieces of a puzzle, the puzzle may change over time as people are born and die yet nothing is ever truly lost, the universe didn't gain anymore mass or lose any significant mass it just rearranges it's parts. also can a thing be a member of itself, can an animal be classified as an animal or a, self referential systems statements or systems of logic. example :" I am lying to you" = True or False??? if it is true than than I am telling the truth and if I am telling the truth than it is a lie, self referential statements, no system of logic can remain consistent while referring to itself, what applies : Minds, Universes, Dreams, Logical statements, basic foundation of everything, to explain something you have to explain it from a frame of reference that contains the thing otherwise the thing is unexplained like the magical CD that simulates our universe aka an axiomatic breaking point.
Pinpin sherk would love this video
Layers like an Onion
You should debate Seththeprogrammer.
or seth that would be a good debate pinpin and seth are pretty well matched
Nani?!? A vid that’s not a 4 hour debate about pinky pie vs love carebare
"I can't imagine a world without my light!!"
"Yes, that would be dark...."
I wanna get into debating and power scaling. Trying to think about how I should go about it. Love all your vids btw.
Rayia Reikai join Seth’s server and interact with the cancer in it and you’ll get used to debating
@Makuei Dut It's been a minute since those days
@@reapcreeps4624 rest in peace, good times
that pen is so distracting im going to have to re watch this again lol, barely concentrated to anything you said because of that pen
Lol, my bad, wanted to try having something moving on screen.
Pinpin LIAR. Your just trying to manipulate us with that pen but guess what I have enough ki to break out of your mind control powers. EPIC WIN
I believe it was meant to be thesicious.
You can go even deeper with presupposition when talking to people. Like. You’re assuming when you’re talking to someone new that the manner that you speak or your morality or ideals or your demeanor goes along with their own presupposition of what is “acceptable”. That’s what really determines whether or not you’re gonna be liked by that person. It’s a wild card when meeting someone new. Either you have similar presuppositions and get along, or your presuppositions are completely different and you don’t get along.
They will not always be the same in every way, no perfect clones exist some variations will happen.
Tethloach1 Exactly the point lol
naturalguy4 Yes. My point
naturalguy4 Yes, me talking about other examples of presupposition in social contact to add to the topic is me proving I never understood it until this video. Great assumption
naturalguy4 Fine. That’s a bit of fault of mine in wording it, but my point was simply to add on to the topic of presupposition, not make any ground-breaking next gen claim to make myself seem smart. People instinctively understand this, I’m just putting it into words at this point.
Sooo. The Death note is possibly written in ancient dragon jizz? 🤔
Prove it's not!
Exactly... I can’t. Can you prove it is now. 😂
Nice video dude. Keep up the great work.
Half the people that listen to this didn't even know what happened or what was explained that's the weird part about trying to teach people it still goes way over their head for some at all
Yeah, I've already gotten a few comments trying to assert that this is somehow a random video of me trying to brag about my philosophical positions... lol
@@Pinpins lol it's funny to me because you sound like you're dissing anybody that you don't agree with when really you're trying to explain and make people understand your point of view and maybe even help them in the future debate
Notice me Sesu-sama
im not smart enough to understand a single word you just said but i still loved it. keep up the great work ''pinpin''.
i can deflect burden of proof using the YaTa MiRrOr
A lovely essay on the taste of apples. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Hey could you do some more videos about getting into the philosophy of debates, similar to this? I learned from it and thought it was cool tbh
Seth is educating me more than my high school
Is Seth really 14?!!!
No
He is probably in his mid 20s. him being 14 is just a meme xD
he's probably around 25
22-27
He is
This seems to be explaining what KOL was doing in the lightspeed dragon ball debate
Too bad one of your best videos, or at least more educational and interesting, received one of the least attention.
I have one comment regarding the Kol and speed of light in one piece
To be honest it's not a problem in the serie but a problem with king himself
You can see him deny many characters from many verses to be LS or FTL (did that to Naruto,Bleach ,DBZ ,One piece )
To him it's hard to accept that a fictional character can achieve something unachievable in the human world
KOL is just bias. He said Yhwach's ability counters Aizen even though we literally see it's the exact opposite.
Yonko+3 Top Commanders=>Top Marine (Future Coby)+3 Admirals.
I appreciate the upload, Pinpin. There aren’t really people around me that enjoy debating or these sorts of topics and conversations. Watching your videos actually teaches me something or goes over thoughts I’ve had but never found anyone to elaborate on them with. Keep up these fantastic vids and stay exceptional.
Pinpin-sama, please debate Daddy Seth
Wow, a video where you’re not shitting on people without effort. Thank you for this. : )
Rewatching this bc you still haven’t done another one 😭
Seth u seriously need to have a debate about L and Light.That would interesting as fuck
Seth, at this point you should just write a book about debating and sell it on amazon.
Dude is phineas and ferb cannon in marvel? If so where they fit in and why?
Please make another video like this
Im early today
Ayeeee. Dude loving this channel
In the king of lightning debate is very evident that he spent most of his time arguing skepticism to the claims without actually providing a rebuttal as to why his skepticism had any validity. What was more interesting was how he stated that there wasn't definitive proof hat is speed of light claim. Yet isn't that what the debate was all about. In short can you let me spend majority of the debate of avoid arguing anything you actually stated.
Good essay btw
Yeah exactly, skepticism is good but only when it's grounded in proper logical observation analysis, simply being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical just adds in more unnecessary assumptions, so because of Occam's Razor it becomes your burden to provide proper evidence to show why your assertive skepticism is valid and if you can't Occam's Razor will just shave away your skeptical preposition.
The moons in Dragon Ball are closer to Earth and they are hollow so it's not that impressive to bust them and the Dragon Ball solar system is smaller because of Akira is a wacky writer... undefeatable argument
Lol
Tbh I would like to see a more advanced/in depth look at this kind of argument
I think a debate between you and Destiny would be great but he doesn't talk fiction unfortunately.
What else looks like black ink but also is clearly fictional 🤔
I got it , Dragon ejaculate!
UNRELATED BUT......I just got pulled over while listening to this video. Lol
I fucking hate presuppositional apologetics used by people like Sye Ten Bruggencate and Matt Slick. First thing that popped into my head when I saw this title.
Me sitting here like yeah your right...hmm correct...oh once again he's right knowing full well that I would believe him almost anyways unless I personally feel he's wrong which I highly doubt will happen
I am pretty sure this video is in reference to the KOL debate you had. At least that is the impression I had since KOL was skeptical of the claim that the DBZ universe was based on our universe. Am I right?
I know you have a particular demographic on your main channel, but this is concise and simplified enough for the normies to digest.
seth have you read Kant?He goes in depth about epistemology and the only three ways to achive or come close of true.Synthetic a priori,analytic a priori and synthetic a posteriori
Off topic but will you do a powerscaling video on touhou characters?
Seth is teaching the entire community how to properly defend your position, stance 101
I don't understand what Seth is saying. is he speaking Alien?
Early squad
Oh. Finally getting into higher level of argumentation. Well at least the basis for such.
Really good video you can do more it these also. Very creative content also.I'm learning.
This would be an amazing series
The only thing that is absolute is Waffles.
Everyone loves to use demon magic ejaculate as pen ink right?
Myles Green well I use my piss most of the time.
@@Pekara121 I see I see very interesting must use this information for later
Myles Green oh boi you got no idea... :'^)
You should of added a Visual Presentation
Time to learn from King Seth my master.
A nice tie in video to your debate with KOL.
Can you start doing more of these?
You make me want to be a lawyer. Stop it
basically king of lightning wasn't wrong but he was also not close to right.
no he was wrong cause things were contradicting his presupposition.Or in normie terms what he was saying was subjective WERE actually confirmed and stated to be true,So HE was the one making the unnecessary presuppositions.That was his whole argument so if you understand that basic concept from there its game.
woke
Awesome.
Pinpin be boolin' #kellakill
Y O S
demon dragon's ejaculate as ink
okay
this whole video strikes me as a textbook definition shifting the burden of proof fallacy. you're saying that you ASSUME X, and if I do not believe that X then I am required to prove ~X, otherwise, your initial assumption is rational to accept. I'll demonstrate the absurdity with an example: I presuppose that there is an invisible monkey on mars, if you disagree, you have to EITHER 1-Prove that that monkey doesn't exist OR 2- irrationally reject my assumption.
I think u misunderstood this video. What seth is trying to say is that when there is a basic presupposition which is generally assumed, and someone opposes this generally assumed presupposition, it is their responsibility to give reason as to why the contrary could be the case. Lets say for example we are having a debate abt two fictional characters. Character A and character B. Character A got blitzed by character B, and the basic assumption is that character a is going all out since its a fight, however, u asked me to prove that he is going all out. Since there is no reason to believe that he was holding back, and it was a fight, it is more likely for him to go all out than to hold back, this is a basic assumption. It would be YOUR burden to prove or give reason to why he could be holding back, since ur opposing this basic assumption which is already more likely. Thats not a burden of proof fallacy chief
@@TKA-s7 Yeah its essentially a matter of the burden of proof and using Occam's Razor to shave away any preposition that stacks on numerous unnecessary asumptions.
@@joyboy2413 Well said
I’m body this nigga in a debate
This man gonna be debating about if our reality is real or not smh 🤦♂️
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