SethTheProgrammer VS Philosophy Server Dogpile (Debate)

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  • Опубліковано 16 жов 2020
  • A very old video on one of my first experiences with philosophy debating, I thought y'all would enjoy!
    This video was actually going to be the first I uploaded to this channel but felt it was cringe, hence my profile picture. (It's even more cringe than I remember!)

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  • @Pinpins
    @Pinpins  3 роки тому +299

    a long time ago in a server far far away i debated with an even more intense level of cringe than i do now
    also this is DEVILS ADVOCATE I AM NOT VEGAN!! I have debates arguing against Veganism

    • @goatku_dagoat6714
      @goatku_dagoat6714 3 роки тому +5

      Scale naruto

    • @redblue9832
      @redblue9832 3 роки тому +40

      Hey, dude. Thanks for all the entertainment you've given me throughout the years. You're fuckin great man!

    • @bilfbunter2248
      @bilfbunter2248 3 роки тому +2

      Nice video

    • @Rolithius
      @Rolithius 3 роки тому +7

      Seeing you more on edge and at a disadvantage is weird af

    • @homersimpson1338
      @homersimpson1338 3 роки тому +1

      Always fun to watch

  • @sonicandshadowsjunction
    @sonicandshadowsjunction 3 роки тому +456

    Seth really walked in like "Would you like each of my arguements to use Susano'o?"

    • @EmitNen
      @EmitNen 3 роки тому +12

      😂😂😂😂

    • @cluthecurator
      @cluthecurator 3 роки тому +6

      😂😂😂

    • @groddd5558
      @groddd5558 3 роки тому +7

      @@EmitNen bro why tf do you have my name?

    • @mememe4188
      @mememe4188 3 роки тому +15

      When he said "I'll slap all of you", I got HEAVY Madara saying the 5 kage is nothing to me

  • @kaystruenoo
    @kaystruenoo 3 роки тому +495

    LMAOOO "It doesn't need to be a one on one I'll slap all of you"

  • @thekingofbel6511
    @thekingofbel6511 3 роки тому +201

    "just pretend that we're stupid"
    seth: you are

  • @neovssmith19
    @neovssmith19 3 роки тому +94

    He literally got a vegan to say he would eat a baby fetus to help slow down the meat industry 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️ we need more debates from this server

  • @Dissonant-Clash
    @Dissonant-Clash 3 роки тому +216

    PinPin came in with the Aizen energy

    • @sevens4966
      @sevens4966 3 роки тому +2

      @Maurice Johnson fr

    • @chanso1252
      @chanso1252 3 роки тому +7

      He came in with pimp energyXD

  • @MakaveliTv35
    @MakaveliTv35 3 роки тому +323

    Madara vs the shinobi alliance irl

  • @martendo67
    @martendo67 3 роки тому +317

    Seth not debating non anime topics feels next level asf.

    • @sds8733
      @sds8733 3 роки тому +48

      Seth? This is PinPin my guy

    • @kensin3152
      @kensin3152 3 роки тому +10

      @@sds8733 comedy ha

    • @gintokithetrollgod
      @gintokithetrollgod 3 роки тому +21

      Actually it’s Seth Pinpin is his master and is training him to become the first ever Super Saiyan Hokage

    • @keys5595
      @keys5595 3 роки тому +5

      Seth should debate Destiny that would be a shit show 😂

    • @obisan2266
      @obisan2266 3 роки тому +1

      @@keys5595 Seth actually has had a whole debate with someone about whether he's better than Destiny

  • @qadirhernandez1094
    @qadirhernandez1094 3 роки тому +174

    “Stop with the fake laughing” LMAO

  • @debunked2923
    @debunked2923 3 роки тому +173

    boys...we’ve been eating a damn buffet worth of content of today 🙏🏽

    • @flashtras107820
      @flashtras107820 3 роки тому +9

      WE FEASTING

    • @debunked2923
      @debunked2923 3 роки тому

      @@flashtras107820 on god

    • @ras445
      @ras445 3 роки тому

      @@debunked2923
      Hey we're not eating seth

    • @ras445
      @ras445 3 роки тому

      @@debunked2923 oh NVM seth is multi universal +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    • @rememberme3762
      @rememberme3762 3 роки тому

      @@ras445 AcTuAlLy ThAT iS a LoW bAlL.🤓

  • @0fficial.D0m
    @0fficial.D0m 3 роки тому +171

    “I just like to argue with people”😂

    • @0fficial.D0m
      @0fficial.D0m 3 роки тому +15

      @Morbid Angel is better than Death 😂not really but even if that was the case how would a community be fun without some toxic people and everything was just peaceful

    • @XxFr4gXxK1ng
      @XxFr4gXxK1ng 3 роки тому +3

      @Morbid Angel is better than Death he could get sponsors also

    • @DEGermany
      @DEGermany 3 роки тому +1

      That is something Goku would say, if he was an intellectual instead of a martial artist.

    • @jibrael5705
      @jibrael5705 3 роки тому

      @@amanraijandial Pakistan already has the Hydrogen bomb.

    • @thefirstbruh6371
      @thefirstbruh6371 3 роки тому

      @Morbid Angel is better than Death you really just kept getting ratioed, you got slammed so hard by the other guy that your points devolved into purely opinions and just saying "I know you are but what am I" type of insulting, holy shit you generally almost stood a chance at debating this man well until you just started going for insults and opinions and just completely lost.

  • @blackmoon4094
    @blackmoon4094 3 роки тому +103

    He. Won't. Stop.

  • @0fficial.D0m
    @0fficial.D0m 3 роки тому +93

    This is a a battle that hasn’t been replicated since that 3rd raikage vs 10,000 shinobi

  • @PeridotiProductions
    @PeridotiProductions 3 роки тому +98

    “It doesn’t have to be one on one I’ll slap all of you” I’m dead that shit was hilarious 🤣

  • @rockyboxman
    @rockyboxman 3 роки тому +102

    “It seems your bf needs help” Lmao 😂

  • @anthonyargueta131
    @anthonyargueta131 3 роки тому +121

    This is the most toxic debate I have listened too i love it

  • @yungyasha2947
    @yungyasha2947 3 роки тому +36

    22:47 “Why are you apart of a vegan server if your not vegan”
    Seth: “I thrive off negativity”😂

  • @EL_TRUECUBANO414
    @EL_TRUECUBANO414 3 роки тому +82

    “So if you taste good can I eat you”

    • @Justin.ol9
      @Justin.ol9 3 роки тому +2

      As soon as he said that he immediately lost🤣🤣🤣

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому

      @@Justin.ol9 How?

    • @Justin.ol9
      @Justin.ol9 3 роки тому +20

      @@STKHub I’m not talking about Seth I’m talking about the guy he was talking to

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому +2

      @@Justin.ol9 W.

    • @jakobe7287
      @jakobe7287 3 роки тому

      Yes

  • @1slena
    @1slena 3 роки тому +43

    Seth debating 7 people at once
    Some guy: “if you’d stop talking for two seconds!!!!!!!!”

    • @1slena
      @1slena 3 роки тому +5

      And dear God their bad faith interpretations

  • @theedge747
    @theedge747 3 роки тому +142

    This is the saddest "philosophy" chat I've ever heard. They had vocabulary and ZERO rhetoric, they didn't even know how to properly identify a false equivalence.

    • @jovonn8303
      @jovonn8303 3 роки тому +7

      what? seth was misindentifying the false equivalence. noone was making an equivalence relation they were giving hypotheticals to demonstrate the common trait.

    • @theedge747
      @theedge747 3 роки тому +33

      @@jovonn8303 I was referring to Seth's use of them saying that it was fine to harm animals to if they tasted good, to his, "Then if you taste good, could I eat you?" Humans are biologically considered animals, so it applies.

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому +12

      @@jovonn8303 You are trying super hard to sound like Jack right now. Anyways, Dionysus mentioned Asian people dying in the process of making cars, which isn't a hypothetical. Moreover, he was attempting to appeal to the a.) unnecessity and b.) no killing features Seth laid out. Seth said that some people dying in making cars isn't the same as meat as one requires you to kill animals, implying that car production might create accidental deaths.

    • @_MaximumVoltage
      @_MaximumVoltage 3 роки тому +15

      @@STKHub yeah but in all honesty most of Seths arguments aren’t even that good and can be easily rebuttaled, he just happened to walk into a chat where these philosopher debaters are complete garbage

    • @thelegendaryneilson8488
      @thelegendaryneilson8488 3 роки тому +8

      @@_MaximumVoltage Ngl that facts because for a philosophical discord most of these people can't understand that just because something is morally incorrect and unnecessary doesn't mean that u have to defend it just because u eat meat like it isn't morally correct but saying it taste good isn't a valuable argument because that means basically I like the dress your wearing so imma just take it like that isn't morally correct or ethical.

  • @BlacObsidian
    @BlacObsidian 3 роки тому +65

    9:06 "if we're starting with the assumption that human beings are valuable...."
    Ah yes if we start with the assumption that I am already right and don't even have to prove that I am, then I am right. What a great argument.

    • @kensin3152
      @kensin3152 3 роки тому +7

      To be fair he’s not wrong with that

    • @ruppelspoopels
      @ruppelspoopels 3 роки тому +3

      You need a first principle that exists without justification. It's something we can't possibly know

    • @BlacObsidian
      @BlacObsidian 3 роки тому +9

      @@ruppelspoopels Yeah but if you make that principle the conclusion you're trying to reach you haven't actually made an argument. You've just presupposed your conclusion. In order for such a principle to work both participants have to agree on it.

    • @franklance9167
      @franklance9167 3 роки тому

      I reject that assumption assuming we are talking about a universal statement.

    • @noahlillis6602
      @noahlillis6602 3 роки тому +2

      That's an easy argument to make, all you have to do is establish humans as the apex predator and establish less sentient creatures as more of a resource than anything

  • @Berlinbower
    @Berlinbower 3 роки тому +34

    Man that was hectic. And keep in mind this was when seth was like week 1 of philosophical deabting

  • @seanmundyphoto
    @seanmundyphoto 3 роки тому +20

    The fetus soup bit at the end was just to test the consistency, not a trap or anything, they were incredibly hostile but also had some genuinely good lines of questioning

  • @kaystruenoo
    @kaystruenoo 3 роки тому +38

    Bro that fetus soup argument was kinda yikes

    • @Xenthoz
      @Xenthoz 3 роки тому +3

      Even using the sentience argument is questionable but yeah that was a pretty 1head argument

  • @hoodie7257
    @hoodie7257 3 роки тому +44

    Damn Seth feeding us tonight

    • @hoodie7257
      @hoodie7257 3 роки тому +7

      I mean PinPin

    • @sds8733
      @sds8733 3 роки тому +5

      @@hoodie7257 seth is fodder infront of pinpin

    • @Azuritron
      @Azuritron 3 роки тому +1

      @@sds8733 they are the same person though

    • @med3694
      @med3694 3 роки тому +1

      @@Azuritron it’s a joke bruh

    • @sds8733
      @sds8733 3 роки тому +1

      @@Azuritron who told you such lies

  • @ThatGuy-mt7hq
    @ThatGuy-mt7hq 3 роки тому +31

    God these people are amateurs. They didn't ask Seth to state his premise clearly. That's debate 101 You go after the premise first and if the premiseIs is logically consistent within itself then you bring in external arguments.
    Because if you don't nail down people on the premises then they just pass by you as a ship in the night.

    • @noahlillis6602
      @noahlillis6602 3 роки тому +7

      They kind of attempted it at one point, personally, I wouldve went after him in a more hardline utilitarian way, as well as argue the definition of sentience, and push his consistency on the necessity portion of his arguement

    • @ThatGuy-mt7hq
      @ThatGuy-mt7hq 3 роки тому +2

      @@noahlillis6602 I mean you could try that angle but the problem is whenever you use a positive statement in an argument the other side can reject your premise. So if you were to argue from and utilitarianist premise I could just reject it out of hand
      with moral absolute premise.
      I mean asserting an alternate premise can work if the other side accepts upgraments and a lot of amateur debaters do but if they know what they're doing like Seth they probably would just not engage with your premise especially if they can perceive that their argument is weak if they accept this new premise.

    • @noahlillis6602
      @noahlillis6602 3 роки тому +4

      @@ThatGuy-mt7hq that's fair, though I'll also say, it was weird to me that no one tried to argue that humans being the earth's apex predator entitles them to the usage of all resources, which also includes animals. However, seth not bringing up the environmental impact of livestock farming and the direct negative impact that has on humans shows me he had some stuff left in reserve, because that's fairly common knowledge and honestly where I wouldve went first

    • @ThatGuy-mt7hq
      @ThatGuy-mt7hq 3 роки тому +2

      @@noahlillis6602 Ah I see. That could work, though personally I would argue against the proposition by nailing down two things. that morality if it is to mean anything it must exist independently of circumstance. That regardless of the outcome of the action if is made immoral any positive actions made by the initial wrongdoing is morally wrong, Even in isolation it would appear on his face to be morally upright.
      for example if I pulled off a Ponzi scheme, and made out with millions of dollars defrauding all my investors and ruining their lives If I then turned around and became a humanitarian and helped thousands if not hundreds of thousands all the moral act would be invalid because of that original sin.
      If I could get seth to agree to those two terms, I would then suggest that if he asserted that human civilization itself because of its necessity ate meat for thousands of years and thus gained the mental capacity to have a human civilization is bad and immoral and that we should return to a truly primitive lifestyle to live the virtuous life. I'm not talking going back to tribes and hunting and gathering I'm talking going back to climbing trees primitive.
      Why this style of argumentation works is because it goes to his core premise and for him to be logically consistent He would have to join to a position that I do not think he would accept.

    • @noahlillis6602
      @noahlillis6602 3 роки тому

      @@ThatGuy-mt7hq that's actually a concept I've been trying to work on in my endeavors to get better at debate. I have a bad habit not going for the throat and being very passive and not going after their premise strongly enough

  • @ronin1559
    @ronin1559 3 роки тому +11

    “Well, I’m bit of a nihilist myself.” Favorite quote so far.

  • @umu-8985
    @umu-8985 3 роки тому +50

    that fake laugh was so cringe lmao

  • @thefluffychild4619
    @thefluffychild4619 3 роки тому +1

    Seth I thought you mostly stuck two anime stuff glad to see you're branching out I really enjoy this

  • @YonkoJay
    @YonkoJay 3 роки тому +8

    Thanks PinPin-sama!

  • @ryans6309
    @ryans6309 3 роки тому +4

    I love how Seth actually stays consistent with the teachings I learned in my English and philosophy, college and high school classes

  • @lighttheprogrammeryt9173
    @lighttheprogrammeryt9173 3 роки тому +18

    Damn 4 times yo boy pippin never stops

  • @communistjack2413
    @communistjack2413 3 роки тому +7

    Damn papa Pinpin feeding us good tonight

  • @vitaminstorm9429
    @vitaminstorm9429 3 роки тому +1

    Id love to see more of stuff like this from you 👍

    • @vitaminstorm9429
      @vitaminstorm9429 3 роки тому +1

      I do agree tho that you should probably stay away from the phrase "no reason" like I know you're being hyperbolic, but depending on why you talk to, hyperbole can lead to misinterpretation

  • @istheprophet
    @istheprophet 3 роки тому +4

    listening to this gives me the same vibe as when madara challenges all 9 bijuu

  • @blackodinson2454
    @blackodinson2454 3 роки тому +10

    Such patience! These guys were a bunch of smooth brains, Micheal was reasonable though.

  • @geekhammergamer1438
    @geekhammergamer1438 3 роки тому +13

    Me personally i don't think we need a moral justification to eat meat but i do agree we shouldn't torture them either.

  • @kensin3152
    @kensin3152 3 роки тому

    I’ve genuinely just seen people debate about foetus soup, this is a first for me.

  • @shogunxdrago4671
    @shogunxdrago4671 3 роки тому +1

    I really want to debate on that fetus thing because it got me really invested for some reason

  • @Black-nh9ml
    @Black-nh9ml 3 роки тому +2

    The clicking always gets me for some reason 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @VAHRYTakes
    @VAHRYTakes 3 роки тому +12

    “It’s arbitrary” “THATS A RED HERRING”....that’s literally all I heard the whole arguement.

  • @dargonsan2261
    @dargonsan2261 3 роки тому +2

    I find it hilarious this devolves so quickly into Jonathan Swift levels of meme.

  • @Wvrship
    @Wvrship 3 роки тому +5

    I’ve never heard so many big brains in one setting in my life 😫

  • @Jmw357
    @Jmw357 3 роки тому +7

    This must have been how Jiraiya felt battling all the paths of Pain.

    • @machina5
      @machina5 3 роки тому +2

      Nah the Paths were strong. This is how Jiraiya felt while clapping Hanzo's fodder

  • @fanwee5048
    @fanwee5048 3 роки тому +5

    10:30 yo I kid you not, I was legit blurted out laughing 😂💀

  • @mconcepcion752
    @mconcepcion752 3 роки тому

    Man, I wanted to see the vegan war. Specifically the part you mentioned in your loses video.

  • @chiron9536
    @chiron9536 3 роки тому +2

    12:01 "we don't live in order to stay alive"
    *HUUUUHHHHHH?????????*

  • @zazampow9657
    @zazampow9657 3 роки тому +15

    15 minutes in and most of these guys are really off base. Seth is running circles around them and none of them are even grasping his arguments to refute them.

  • @daviondixon3702
    @daviondixon3702 3 роки тому +8

    "it doesn't need to be a one on one I'll slap all of you" gold

  • @givemethree2463
    @givemethree2463 3 роки тому +10

    very hard for these duded to understand what "for no reason" means

  • @uagurasama4567
    @uagurasama4567 3 роки тому

    It’s actually crazy how well you held your own when you have never debated it before. It shows your competence in debating itself.

  • @Power-9Hunnid
    @Power-9Hunnid 3 роки тому

    Yay more Discord Debates!!!

  • @kydoesstuff
    @kydoesstuff 3 роки тому +12

    Man.. I bet this dogpile would've clapped Seth. Another god tier debate as usual, Pinpin, you've earned that Seth Slayer title!

    • @drollerschalk3986
      @drollerschalk3986 3 роки тому

      damn im retarded cant tell if this a joke or not

    • @SOULAANI_
      @SOULAANI_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@drollerschalk3986 its a joke

  • @Gusdoodly
    @Gusdoodly 3 роки тому +6

    And so it is foretold that from the darkest depths of the figurative vegan debate iceberg it shall come, many will deflect, many more will sperg out, but none can escape the all powerful F e T U s S o U p line of argumentation.

  • @ryuzakisimms1019
    @ryuzakisimms1019 3 роки тому +2

    Seth is Madara when he took down the shinobi alliance. I am a vegetarian because my ex girlfriend wanted me to eat healthier, although that is a preference. The hypothetical makes sense if aliens were to come to Earth and they ate us humans is it morally correct? Most would say no because it involves our species. Now if humans eat animals it isn't wrong? Murder whatever the case is always wrong. What if the social contract in a society said stealing from others was okay? Along that line of logic in this hypothetical question I just gave is the act of stealing okay now just because this hypothetical society accepts it? The answer is no.

  • @sinoxibbs6393
    @sinoxibbs6393 3 роки тому

    This was very interesting.

  • @TheXaldin321
    @TheXaldin321 3 роки тому

    OH FUCK YEA! we need more debates like this and btw can we get a non-equivalence counter next time... lmao

  • @ozentheimmovable2216
    @ozentheimmovable2216 3 роки тому

    Eiki is a very fitting pfp

  • @thizzuchiha
    @thizzuchiha 3 роки тому

    Wasnt the whole reason of killing the animal and eating them for meat? So when they started discussing on just eating animal fetuses does that meat reasoning still apply?

  • @thefluffychild4619
    @thefluffychild4619 3 роки тому +1

    Damn you were actually wrecking so hard

  • @GrandStyles
    @GrandStyles 3 роки тому

    If sentience is the only important factor, that soup would technically have to be on the menu, so I'm assuming their argument was against sentience as an absolute argument in favor of veganism. No one outright said that at the end tho, which is mystifying.

  • @ANDROIDAPEX
    @ANDROIDAPEX 3 роки тому +2

    Damn you can really tell Seth was new to this.

  • @TheDarkWallChris
    @TheDarkWallChris 3 роки тому

    These people hurt my brain. Such a heavy injection of stupidity at such a frequent rate.

  • @fuzzinator9523
    @fuzzinator9523 5 місяців тому +2

    we back

  • @ananshasheta926
    @ananshasheta926 3 роки тому +2

    Me the entire first part. "But Dietary Needs differ for different people. Red Meat has saved lives, is that not a moral right or at least neutral to eat to live? Also sustaining humanity on plants only would cause environmental stress and thus likely induce famine."

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому +1

      It isn't necessary for most people and Seth's arguments apply to people who don't need to eat meat. Also, factory farming causes environemental strain and we still haven't endured a famine.
      You realize feeding a cow requires producing food far outweighing the sheer mass of the cow, right?

    • @ToxicTim
      @ToxicTim 3 роки тому

      Producing food off cows hurt the environment by 10x than plants

  • @lewis8332
    @lewis8332 3 роки тому

    Hey Seth can you make a video on your thoughts on the existence of god?

  • @hanyo5789
    @hanyo5789 3 роки тому +10

    The guys in this chat are dumb like they are just not good they won't listen enough.

  • @gokusuperhero8015
    @gokusuperhero8015 3 роки тому

    Holy fuck, Seth always makes me laugh man, thanks

  • @davidv1786
    @davidv1786 3 роки тому

    its funny seeing ppl CONSTANTLY disregard the good points he makes, they’re In denial cuz they just cant accept being wrong😭😭 its funny how calm he manages to stay, call me weak, but I cant remain calm when ppl do this shtt lol

  • @dannysdungareedanceoff8481
    @dannysdungareedanceoff8481 3 роки тому

    "If I make you explain that your premise is 1 and not 2 separate reasons until you get annoyed and want to start over and explain to me in a simplistic wat that I'll understand, then I WIN"

  • @exiledlogger9651
    @exiledlogger9651 3 роки тому

    In your opinion, what was you best debate.

  • @Saitofurofushi
    @Saitofurofushi 3 роки тому +1

    My man just made becoming a vegan logical

  • @zeeke.tv_4842
    @zeeke.tv_4842 3 роки тому +3

    So they get hit with something they can't argue with and sperg out for an hour

  • @trustworthyh3ro267
    @trustworthyh3ro267 3 роки тому

    where the hell did fetus soup come from?
    man, arguments really go off-topic.....~or too much in topic?
    I can't tell at this point

  • @Kingzeeop
    @Kingzeeop 3 роки тому +16

    You slap them all , they all back each other up and they all sounded dumb 😂

  • @emastermet609
    @emastermet609 3 роки тому +2

    You know he had Seth when he called him a Moron over and over.
    And when they laugh at you.

  • @hunter4428
    @hunter4428 2 роки тому

    This makes me want to hear a 1 on 1 vegan gains vs Seth. As one sided as it would be (seth's favor)

  • @deviantd.6740
    @deviantd.6740 3 роки тому

    Thank you Dad! But I need more milky

  • @onthebay15
    @onthebay15 3 роки тому +3

    Let's be real tho. If the topic of ur debate was about morality of eating animals then the discussion should have just been morality alone. U kind of put yourself in a toxic situation by debating morality with veganism. Those debates never go smoothly at all. Love to see ur takes on other topics in the future. Perhaps something like "what is happiness" or my personal favorite "are things progressively getting worse than the eras before us?".

  • @vietcongwarlord6931
    @vietcongwarlord6931 3 роки тому

    Just A Robot debate please

  • @Slimurgical
    @Slimurgical 3 роки тому

    TMW Human isn't a Trait, it's a description of a complex concept.

  • @dante7859
    @dante7859 3 роки тому +5

    Dude said "fetus munchies" 😂😂

  • @dannysdungareedanceoff8481
    @dannysdungareedanceoff8481 3 роки тому +1

    Woah you have to agree on multiple things before having a debate? It's almost like everything isn't just A or B
    It's almost like there's stuff before those options are presented...almost like language and the thought is complicated

  • @dannysdungareedanceoff8481
    @dannysdungareedanceoff8481 3 роки тому

    "If I only take one part of your argument and ignore the other part where you actually explained then that's actually me winning the argument"

  • @lukemccarthy9723
    @lukemccarthy9723 3 роки тому +1

    So seths claim is that we don't need to eat meat because we can eat plants instead. Wouldnt the argument against that be that we have hunger shortages, many climates across the globe can't sustain growing crops for food, not to mention water shortages which is needed to grow the crops, and (this is an assumption) animals take up less space then what would be needed to harvest crops (would have to do maffs). And then it comes down to what do we value more starving humans who need to eat, or the animals we are eating which I would assume is an easy argument to win.

    • @lukemccarthy9723
      @lukemccarthy9723 3 роки тому

      Also to clarify I only watched the first 13 mins perhaps this was touched on

  • @jovonn8303
    @jovonn8303 3 роки тому

    did you make this video due to my last comment?

  • @just_queazy
    @just_queazy 3 роки тому +3

    “If you taste good can I eat you?” 😂😂😂

  • @ras445
    @ras445 3 роки тому

    What's his sucide claim his boyfriend obviously needs help" XD HOLYSHIT I loved that

  • @pizzahuthonoka
    @pizzahuthonoka 3 роки тому

    Yes because being a Vegan is the same as not driving a car because killing animals is the same as using a product from a sweatshop, as both are unecessary things we choose to do, but Ariana's bluntly mentioned that she is the only one going to be a long day for you to come back to the house 🏡 and I will be there at the same time as the same is not nice 🤠.

  • @merrrr8424
    @merrrr8424 3 роки тому

    wait couldnt you argue that you dont have sentience while sleeping or being knocked unconscious?

  • @ajacosta4369
    @ajacosta4369 3 роки тому +4

    As someone with very little debating experience I'd like to debate Seth

    • @ajacosta4369
      @ajacosta4369 3 роки тому +1

      @DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer I'd want to try and not get bodied

    • @IIIISai
      @IIIISai 3 роки тому

      @@ajacosta4369 lol

  • @alphaalchemy2736
    @alphaalchemy2736 3 роки тому

    You were definitely out matched on this one bro. Enjoyable as fuck tho

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому +1

      Nah, he won for the most part.

  • @hastomarakunotendenshi3159
    @hastomarakunotendenshi3159 3 роки тому

    I'ma make a fetus soup drawing

  • @joeberriochoa
    @joeberriochoa 3 роки тому +1

    If they admitted that aliens could eat us because we taste good, wouldn’t they have won the debate?🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @acidleech6764
    @acidleech6764 3 роки тому

    I don't think that the philosophy server understands that the 2 claims that Seth made at the beginning of the argument relied upon each other and they instead argued against them as a separate claim, but in reality, it was one claim. I also don't understand the meaning of being able to eat animals simply because they are human and not even reasoning about how it can possibly environmentally affect the earth in a negative way if they stopped but instead just chooses to talk about humans are superior with no evidence and do not acknowledge the theoretical question about aliens eating humans because they believe they are superior.

  • @albedo2636
    @albedo2636 3 роки тому

    Where can I find a discord like this?

  • @homersimpson1338
    @homersimpson1338 3 роки тому +9

    Honestly, i just think people are above certain other animals. Mainly herbivores/omnivores that are made to be eaten by carnivores. Such as the giraffe being hunted by the lion. It's nature for animals to eat other animals and as a human who believes that most animals are below me. I wish to be included in eating those animals too. That's why I can eat a burger and not feel bad for Betsy the cow because if I had a choice to save a random cow or a random person, i choose the person. Though i do feel cows are below me, i still feel a bit for them if they suffer. If they are killed quick then I'm fine with it. The reason why I wouldn't eat a monkey is because I see them as an animal that can evolve past pure instinct. They can do more than eat, sleep, poop, breed, and care. They have ideas and such that really brings out something special. The animals I mainly see below me are ones that live to eat, sleep and breed. I do like how pinpin wrecked these guys in the discord though. That was awesome and some boys got mad.

  • @Quarter_crush_86
    @Quarter_crush_86 3 роки тому +4

    "But flavor tho"

  • @Ordracusmaster
    @Ordracusmaster 3 роки тому

    Literally I would’ve just talked about relativism to shut down Seth’s first claim , idk about y’all but I’d free those guys up too and I’ve just dipped my toe in philosophy but my natural rhetoric has always been on point even without knowing all the fallacies 😂

  • @MrLimon27
    @MrLimon27 3 роки тому

    This feels familiar. Did you upload this before? Or perhaps you just used the same arguments somewhere else, or somebody used the same arguments and felt familiar.

    • @STKHub
      @STKHub 3 роки тому +1

      Someone uploaded this before.