SethTheProgrammer VS Philosophy Server Dogpile (Debate)
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2020
- A very old video on one of my first experiences with philosophy debating, I thought y'all would enjoy!
This video was actually going to be the first I uploaded to this channel but felt it was cringe, hence my profile picture. (It's even more cringe than I remember!)
a long time ago in a server far far away i debated with an even more intense level of cringe than i do now
also this is DEVILS ADVOCATE I AM NOT VEGAN!! I have debates arguing against Veganism
Scale naruto
Hey, dude. Thanks for all the entertainment you've given me throughout the years. You're fuckin great man!
Nice video
Seeing you more on edge and at a disadvantage is weird af
Always fun to watch
Seth really walked in like "Would you like each of my arguements to use Susano'o?"
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
@@EmitNen bro why tf do you have my name?
When he said "I'll slap all of you", I got HEAVY Madara saying the 5 kage is nothing to me
LMAOOO "It doesn't need to be a one on one I'll slap all of you"
Seth's weeb side came out a little when he said that
It's so bold, I love it
Only Seth
"just pretend that we're stupid"
seth: you are
He literally got a vegan to say he would eat a baby fetus to help slow down the meat industry 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️ we need more debates from this server
PinPin came in with the Aizen energy
@Maurice Johnson fr
He came in with pimp energyXD
Madara vs the shinobi alliance irl
Fr😂😂
Hero hunter Garou vs A class heros
Mirio vs Class 1A
My dads belt vs my heinie
😂😂😂😂😂
Seth not debating non anime topics feels next level asf.
Seth? This is PinPin my guy
@@sds8733 comedy ha
Actually it’s Seth Pinpin is his master and is training him to become the first ever Super Saiyan Hokage
Seth should debate Destiny that would be a shit show 😂
@@keys5595 Seth actually has had a whole debate with someone about whether he's better than Destiny
“Stop with the fake laughing” LMAO
Lmaooooooo
@@rememberme3762 cringe
@@SIRAJPRODUCTIONS Cringe
@@rememberme3762 cringe LOL HAHAHAHA 😆 😬 😅 🙃 🤣 💀 😆
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boys...we’ve been eating a damn buffet worth of content of today 🙏🏽
WE FEASTING
@@flashtras107820 on god
@@debunked2923
Hey we're not eating seth
@@debunked2923 oh NVM seth is multi universal +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@@ras445 AcTuAlLy ThAT iS a LoW bAlL.🤓
“I just like to argue with people”😂
@Morbid Angel is better than Death 😂not really but even if that was the case how would a community be fun without some toxic people and everything was just peaceful
@Morbid Angel is better than Death he could get sponsors also
That is something Goku would say, if he was an intellectual instead of a martial artist.
@@amanraijandial Pakistan already has the Hydrogen bomb.
@Morbid Angel is better than Death you really just kept getting ratioed, you got slammed so hard by the other guy that your points devolved into purely opinions and just saying "I know you are but what am I" type of insulting, holy shit you generally almost stood a chance at debating this man well until you just started going for insults and opinions and just completely lost.
He. Won't. Stop.
This is a a battle that hasn’t been replicated since that 3rd raikage vs 10,000 shinobi
LOOOL
since the broly wars
“It doesn’t have to be one on one I’ll slap all of you” I’m dead that shit was hilarious 🤣
“It seems your bf needs help” Lmao 😂
😂😂😂
This is the most toxic debate I have listened too i love it
Broly wars
Really? This was Barley toxic at all.
this wasnt toxic.....
22:47 “Why are you apart of a vegan server if your not vegan”
Seth: “I thrive off negativity”😂
“So if you taste good can I eat you”
As soon as he said that he immediately lost🤣🤣🤣
@@Justin.ol9 How?
@@STKHub I’m not talking about Seth I’m talking about the guy he was talking to
@@Justin.ol9 W.
Yes
Seth debating 7 people at once
Some guy: “if you’d stop talking for two seconds!!!!!!!!”
And dear God their bad faith interpretations
This is the saddest "philosophy" chat I've ever heard. They had vocabulary and ZERO rhetoric, they didn't even know how to properly identify a false equivalence.
what? seth was misindentifying the false equivalence. noone was making an equivalence relation they were giving hypotheticals to demonstrate the common trait.
@@jovonn8303 I was referring to Seth's use of them saying that it was fine to harm animals to if they tasted good, to his, "Then if you taste good, could I eat you?" Humans are biologically considered animals, so it applies.
@@jovonn8303 You are trying super hard to sound like Jack right now. Anyways, Dionysus mentioned Asian people dying in the process of making cars, which isn't a hypothetical. Moreover, he was attempting to appeal to the a.) unnecessity and b.) no killing features Seth laid out. Seth said that some people dying in making cars isn't the same as meat as one requires you to kill animals, implying that car production might create accidental deaths.
@@STKHub yeah but in all honesty most of Seths arguments aren’t even that good and can be easily rebuttaled, he just happened to walk into a chat where these philosopher debaters are complete garbage
@@_MaximumVoltage Ngl that facts because for a philosophical discord most of these people can't understand that just because something is morally incorrect and unnecessary doesn't mean that u have to defend it just because u eat meat like it isn't morally correct but saying it taste good isn't a valuable argument because that means basically I like the dress your wearing so imma just take it like that isn't morally correct or ethical.
9:06 "if we're starting with the assumption that human beings are valuable...."
Ah yes if we start with the assumption that I am already right and don't even have to prove that I am, then I am right. What a great argument.
To be fair he’s not wrong with that
You need a first principle that exists without justification. It's something we can't possibly know
@@ruppelspoopels Yeah but if you make that principle the conclusion you're trying to reach you haven't actually made an argument. You've just presupposed your conclusion. In order for such a principle to work both participants have to agree on it.
I reject that assumption assuming we are talking about a universal statement.
That's an easy argument to make, all you have to do is establish humans as the apex predator and establish less sentient creatures as more of a resource than anything
Man that was hectic. And keep in mind this was when seth was like week 1 of philosophical deabting
The fetus soup bit at the end was just to test the consistency, not a trap or anything, they were incredibly hostile but also had some genuinely good lines of questioning
Agreed but still lost the debate
Bro that fetus soup argument was kinda yikes
Even using the sentience argument is questionable but yeah that was a pretty 1head argument
Damn Seth feeding us tonight
I mean PinPin
@@hoodie7257 seth is fodder infront of pinpin
@@sds8733 they are the same person though
@@Azuritron it’s a joke bruh
@@Azuritron who told you such lies
God these people are amateurs. They didn't ask Seth to state his premise clearly. That's debate 101 You go after the premise first and if the premiseIs is logically consistent within itself then you bring in external arguments.
Because if you don't nail down people on the premises then they just pass by you as a ship in the night.
They kind of attempted it at one point, personally, I wouldve went after him in a more hardline utilitarian way, as well as argue the definition of sentience, and push his consistency on the necessity portion of his arguement
@@noahlillis6602 I mean you could try that angle but the problem is whenever you use a positive statement in an argument the other side can reject your premise. So if you were to argue from and utilitarianist premise I could just reject it out of hand
with moral absolute premise.
I mean asserting an alternate premise can work if the other side accepts upgraments and a lot of amateur debaters do but if they know what they're doing like Seth they probably would just not engage with your premise especially if they can perceive that their argument is weak if they accept this new premise.
@@ThatGuy-mt7hq that's fair, though I'll also say, it was weird to me that no one tried to argue that humans being the earth's apex predator entitles them to the usage of all resources, which also includes animals. However, seth not bringing up the environmental impact of livestock farming and the direct negative impact that has on humans shows me he had some stuff left in reserve, because that's fairly common knowledge and honestly where I wouldve went first
@@noahlillis6602 Ah I see. That could work, though personally I would argue against the proposition by nailing down two things. that morality if it is to mean anything it must exist independently of circumstance. That regardless of the outcome of the action if is made immoral any positive actions made by the initial wrongdoing is morally wrong, Even in isolation it would appear on his face to be morally upright.
for example if I pulled off a Ponzi scheme, and made out with millions of dollars defrauding all my investors and ruining their lives If I then turned around and became a humanitarian and helped thousands if not hundreds of thousands all the moral act would be invalid because of that original sin.
If I could get seth to agree to those two terms, I would then suggest that if he asserted that human civilization itself because of its necessity ate meat for thousands of years and thus gained the mental capacity to have a human civilization is bad and immoral and that we should return to a truly primitive lifestyle to live the virtuous life. I'm not talking going back to tribes and hunting and gathering I'm talking going back to climbing trees primitive.
Why this style of argumentation works is because it goes to his core premise and for him to be logically consistent He would have to join to a position that I do not think he would accept.
@@ThatGuy-mt7hq that's actually a concept I've been trying to work on in my endeavors to get better at debate. I have a bad habit not going for the throat and being very passive and not going after their premise strongly enough
“Well, I’m bit of a nihilist myself.” Favorite quote so far.
that fake laugh was so cringe lmao
had to mute that shit for a few sec omg
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PLEASE WHATS THE TIME STAMP
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Seth I thought you mostly stuck two anime stuff glad to see you're branching out I really enjoy this
Thanks PinPin-sama!
I love how Seth actually stays consistent with the teachings I learned in my English and philosophy, college and high school classes
Damn 4 times yo boy pippin never stops
Damn papa Pinpin feeding us good tonight
Id love to see more of stuff like this from you 👍
I do agree tho that you should probably stay away from the phrase "no reason" like I know you're being hyperbolic, but depending on why you talk to, hyperbole can lead to misinterpretation
listening to this gives me the same vibe as when madara challenges all 9 bijuu
Such patience! These guys were a bunch of smooth brains, Micheal was reasonable though.
Except for like the last three minutes
Me personally i don't think we need a moral justification to eat meat but i do agree we shouldn't torture them either.
Same
Yea he said that he didn’t even believe in this he just likes to argue 😂
@@cheekzeke9128 LOOL
I’ve genuinely just seen people debate about foetus soup, this is a first for me.
I really want to debate on that fetus thing because it got me really invested for some reason
The clicking always gets me for some reason 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“It’s arbitrary” “THATS A RED HERRING”....that’s literally all I heard the whole arguement.
I find it hilarious this devolves so quickly into Jonathan Swift levels of meme.
I’ve never heard so many big brains in one setting in my life 😫
This must have been how Jiraiya felt battling all the paths of Pain.
Nah the Paths were strong. This is how Jiraiya felt while clapping Hanzo's fodder
10:30 yo I kid you not, I was legit blurted out laughing 😂💀
Man, I wanted to see the vegan war. Specifically the part you mentioned in your loses video.
12:01 "we don't live in order to stay alive"
*HUUUUHHHHHH?????????*
15 minutes in and most of these guys are really off base. Seth is running circles around them and none of them are even grasping his arguments to refute them.
"it doesn't need to be a one on one I'll slap all of you" gold
very hard for these duded to understand what "for no reason" means
It’s actually crazy how well you held your own when you have never debated it before. It shows your competence in debating itself.
Yay more Discord Debates!!!
Man.. I bet this dogpile would've clapped Seth. Another god tier debate as usual, Pinpin, you've earned that Seth Slayer title!
damn im retarded cant tell if this a joke or not
@@drollerschalk3986 its a joke
And so it is foretold that from the darkest depths of the figurative vegan debate iceberg it shall come, many will deflect, many more will sperg out, but none can escape the all powerful F e T U s S o U p line of argumentation.
Seth is Madara when he took down the shinobi alliance. I am a vegetarian because my ex girlfriend wanted me to eat healthier, although that is a preference. The hypothetical makes sense if aliens were to come to Earth and they ate us humans is it morally correct? Most would say no because it involves our species. Now if humans eat animals it isn't wrong? Murder whatever the case is always wrong. What if the social contract in a society said stealing from others was okay? Along that line of logic in this hypothetical question I just gave is the act of stealing okay now just because this hypothetical society accepts it? The answer is no.
This was very interesting.
OH FUCK YEA! we need more debates like this and btw can we get a non-equivalence counter next time... lmao
Eiki is a very fitting pfp
Wasnt the whole reason of killing the animal and eating them for meat? So when they started discussing on just eating animal fetuses does that meat reasoning still apply?
Damn you were actually wrecking so hard
If sentience is the only important factor, that soup would technically have to be on the menu, so I'm assuming their argument was against sentience as an absolute argument in favor of veganism. No one outright said that at the end tho, which is mystifying.
Damn you can really tell Seth was new to this.
These people hurt my brain. Such a heavy injection of stupidity at such a frequent rate.
we back
Me the entire first part. "But Dietary Needs differ for different people. Red Meat has saved lives, is that not a moral right or at least neutral to eat to live? Also sustaining humanity on plants only would cause environmental stress and thus likely induce famine."
It isn't necessary for most people and Seth's arguments apply to people who don't need to eat meat. Also, factory farming causes environemental strain and we still haven't endured a famine.
You realize feeding a cow requires producing food far outweighing the sheer mass of the cow, right?
Producing food off cows hurt the environment by 10x than plants
Hey Seth can you make a video on your thoughts on the existence of god?
The guys in this chat are dumb like they are just not good they won't listen enough.
Holy fuck, Seth always makes me laugh man, thanks
its funny seeing ppl CONSTANTLY disregard the good points he makes, they’re In denial cuz they just cant accept being wrong😭😭 its funny how calm he manages to stay, call me weak, but I cant remain calm when ppl do this shtt lol
"If I make you explain that your premise is 1 and not 2 separate reasons until you get annoyed and want to start over and explain to me in a simplistic wat that I'll understand, then I WIN"
In your opinion, what was you best debate.
My man just made becoming a vegan logical
So they get hit with something they can't argue with and sperg out for an hour
where the hell did fetus soup come from?
man, arguments really go off-topic.....~or too much in topic?
I can't tell at this point
You slap them all , they all back each other up and they all sounded dumb 😂
You know he had Seth when he called him a Moron over and over.
And when they laugh at you.
This makes me want to hear a 1 on 1 vegan gains vs Seth. As one sided as it would be (seth's favor)
Thank you Dad! But I need more milky
Let's be real tho. If the topic of ur debate was about morality of eating animals then the discussion should have just been morality alone. U kind of put yourself in a toxic situation by debating morality with veganism. Those debates never go smoothly at all. Love to see ur takes on other topics in the future. Perhaps something like "what is happiness" or my personal favorite "are things progressively getting worse than the eras before us?".
Just A Robot debate please
TMW Human isn't a Trait, it's a description of a complex concept.
Dude said "fetus munchies" 😂😂
Woah you have to agree on multiple things before having a debate? It's almost like everything isn't just A or B
It's almost like there's stuff before those options are presented...almost like language and the thought is complicated
"If I only take one part of your argument and ignore the other part where you actually explained then that's actually me winning the argument"
So seths claim is that we don't need to eat meat because we can eat plants instead. Wouldnt the argument against that be that we have hunger shortages, many climates across the globe can't sustain growing crops for food, not to mention water shortages which is needed to grow the crops, and (this is an assumption) animals take up less space then what would be needed to harvest crops (would have to do maffs). And then it comes down to what do we value more starving humans who need to eat, or the animals we are eating which I would assume is an easy argument to win.
Also to clarify I only watched the first 13 mins perhaps this was touched on
did you make this video due to my last comment?
“If you taste good can I eat you?” 😂😂😂
What's his sucide claim his boyfriend obviously needs help" XD HOLYSHIT I loved that
Yes because being a Vegan is the same as not driving a car because killing animals is the same as using a product from a sweatshop, as both are unecessary things we choose to do, but Ariana's bluntly mentioned that she is the only one going to be a long day for you to come back to the house 🏡 and I will be there at the same time as the same is not nice 🤠.
wait couldnt you argue that you dont have sentience while sleeping or being knocked unconscious?
As someone with very little debating experience I'd like to debate Seth
@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer I'd want to try and not get bodied
@@ajacosta4369 lol
You were definitely out matched on this one bro. Enjoyable as fuck tho
Nah, he won for the most part.
I'ma make a fetus soup drawing
If they admitted that aliens could eat us because we taste good, wouldn’t they have won the debate?🤷🏽♂️
I don't think that the philosophy server understands that the 2 claims that Seth made at the beginning of the argument relied upon each other and they instead argued against them as a separate claim, but in reality, it was one claim. I also don't understand the meaning of being able to eat animals simply because they are human and not even reasoning about how it can possibly environmentally affect the earth in a negative way if they stopped but instead just chooses to talk about humans are superior with no evidence and do not acknowledge the theoretical question about aliens eating humans because they believe they are superior.
Where can I find a discord like this?
Honestly, i just think people are above certain other animals. Mainly herbivores/omnivores that are made to be eaten by carnivores. Such as the giraffe being hunted by the lion. It's nature for animals to eat other animals and as a human who believes that most animals are below me. I wish to be included in eating those animals too. That's why I can eat a burger and not feel bad for Betsy the cow because if I had a choice to save a random cow or a random person, i choose the person. Though i do feel cows are below me, i still feel a bit for them if they suffer. If they are killed quick then I'm fine with it. The reason why I wouldn't eat a monkey is because I see them as an animal that can evolve past pure instinct. They can do more than eat, sleep, poop, breed, and care. They have ideas and such that really brings out something special. The animals I mainly see below me are ones that live to eat, sleep and breed. I do like how pinpin wrecked these guys in the discord though. That was awesome and some boys got mad.
100%.
You would get clapped in a debate
I heavily agree with that, but even losing would be fun.
what i just stated is a sloppy way of why i can eat a burger and not feel bad
"But flavor tho"
Literally I would’ve just talked about relativism to shut down Seth’s first claim , idk about y’all but I’d free those guys up too and I’ve just dipped my toe in philosophy but my natural rhetoric has always been on point even without knowing all the fallacies 😂
This feels familiar. Did you upload this before? Or perhaps you just used the same arguments somewhere else, or somebody used the same arguments and felt familiar.
Someone uploaded this before.