Paul or John once said that back when they was playing with Pete, Ringo sat down at the drum kit for fun one day and when they started playing together, he felt that this was "it", there was something complete about it. I feel sorry for Pete.
It’s a real experience. When you play with people and it meshes really well. A drummer can make a huge difference, even if technical skills are only marginally different. Ringo was a great drummer & played the songs.
He does. Adam Lawrence, the actor playing as Pete Best, really did convinced me that he was Pete! I can hear and see him in the movie, and when he was playing the drums, getting the new look as the boys, or even briefly shaking hands with Ringo, I was having that expression to where Pete had to go as soon as 1962 approached. *(The kind to where it felt like; "No matter how many times you tell him to improve, he still won't listen. Pete has to go!".)*
Kept on wondering and hoping if they will have this scene be made in the movie. The world needs to know what the day was like when Brian Epstein gave Pete Best the bad news. Saw the name and thumbnail, tapped right away!
Ringo was a better drummer, but it’s also about image. Pete had more of a quiet, sexy rock and roll vibe. When they all got the mop top haircuts, Pete stayed with the greaser look. Ringo was more flexible, light hearted, and brought a personality they needed as a group. It was a calculated decision. It needed to happen in order for the band to go where they wanted to commercially. The Beatles image during the early phase of their success was just as vital to the world falling in love with them as their music was
John Lennon was jealous of all the attention that Pete Best got from female fans and Ringo was replaced by studio musicians on many of their recordings. It didn't need to happen.
@@christophersansone2755 John was jealous… period. Everyone felt the burn of his insecurities at one point or another. Ringo getting replaced by session players has nothing to do with the image of the group from a marketing perspective. Pete had a big following with live audiences from Liverpool and Hamburg. Brian Epstein and George Martin knew in order to get maximum exposure from tv and press, they had to be clean, non threatening, and fit together like a 4 way jigsaw puzzle. Pete stuck out both in image and personality from the rest. Not good for business. It wasn’t personal, it’s just showbiz
I always thought Ringo was the original member of the band, like how Mick Jagger was the leader of The Rolling Stones. But guess I was wrong. I was actually mad that Pete's so-called "fans" wanted to punch Ringo in the face but George took it instead. You just have to accept change. Ringo did nothing wrong with being the new drummer, he was able to do the things Pete couldn't do: He played the drums ever since he was little while in the hospital, he plays amazing in both performing and recording, and can sing while playing the drums at the same time. And don't get me started on how he knows when to play during their Shea Stadium concert.
as a fan I'm so happy they got Ringo!, the band as a whole became so much better!!!, listen to the recordings with Pete, the were awful, they sucked, no wonder record labels rejected them.
@@pelgervampireduck Me too. Ringo is one of my favorite drummers out of Roger Taylor from Queen, Charlie Watts from The Rolling Stones, and Dennis Wilson from The Beach Boys.
Not at first. There are pictures from the 'Love Me Do' session & you can see George has black eyes which were courtesy of some female fans upset about Pete Best being sacked.
@@caiooliveira4586 He played the same rhythm for them in every song. Rock n roll usually had a standard beat but that wasn’t what the Beatles were trying to do for the rest of their careers
Care yo disagree - listen to the Deca Audution tapes and you can hear Pete was a mediocre drummer at best, which is clearly evident in how he has a tendency to rush things. Ringo, not being a technically gifted drummer, had the ability to play on time but also was incredibily giften in recognizing what makes a song good. Just listen to the opening fill on Come Together or Ticket to Ride. Sorry, but Pete was the rotten apple and needed to go.
the decca tapes, the tony sheridan album, and the EMI sessions, specially the "love me do" take, are proof enough that they made the best chocie for the band, George Martin was right. Pete was awful and for a proffesional job they needed someone that could play at level of quality Pete just couldn't.
I don't know if anybody else here has heard Pete bass is drum tracks on some of their early demos but he is not a good drummer he never really worked on his craft and he just wasn't clicking with the Beatles really getting Ringo was a great move great move
The Decca Tapes are a hard listen. While Pete probably could have gotten better with more mileage; technically, with early 60's recording techniques he wouldn't cut it. There's been lots of drummers in his situation: they're great LIVE drummers but they're not good STUDIO drummers. In the studio, time (& tape) is money. The less money spent making a record means more money made on the sales of the record. That's exactly why here in America, we had studio bands like The Wrecking Crew, The Funk Brothers, Booker T & the MG's....Bread and Steam.
@@That_AMC_Guy Stan Lynch from the heartbreakers is a good example of that. Petty has said he is great live drummer, great energy. But in the studio he wasn't as strong. Personally, I have always enjoyed studio sound as opposed to live. You can really dial it in. Then again you have someone like Prince that is incredible live both in technique and style.
I wish one of the Beatle museums in Liverpool would have a Brian's Office exhibit where you get sit at Brian's desk and sack a Pete Best impersonator, haha. I think the queue would go around the block but it'd be worth waiting for.
Studio recording was extremely demanding and expensive, unlike live playing, every minute flaw in timing, strumming and singing is exposed for all to hear. If you listen to the early Best demos with the Beatles it's easy to understand why he was removed. Why do you think studio musicians like "the wrecking crew" were so dominant in pop records recordings. Of course now it's all correctable by computer tools but then it was raw talent with very few ways to cover mistakes.
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@@zachyuffels Oh. That does have me wonder about that quite sometime. If Pete did say Ringo was his "friend", and in real life he said they both got along in some interviews, how come he didn't know about one of his "fans" trying to punch Ringo in the face? But instead, Pete just stormed out of the office after telling Brian that his fans will never forget about him being kicked out.
It's not like Pete was there from the start...the other 3 got him involved so they had a drummer for Hamburg.... he was lucky to be involved at all really.. I'm really glad for him re the Anthology..he's been a rich man for 30 years.
He didn't even feel the sweetness of being on top, bitter and hurt along with many things for to be on the top, and when they was on the top they threw him away, so hard to be Pete Best
there was no earlier talk of sacking Pete Best 'for cause', only after the rest felt they were on the cusp of something pretty big (with the new EMI contract)
Unfortunately they didn’t have the balls to tell Pete directly to his face. Regardless of their reasons for doing so they let Brian do the dirty work. And when Ringo’s name comes up Pete suddenly realised they have plotting to get rid of him for some time. I think Brian should have got them all in a room together and tried to sort it all out. And if they were adamant about sacking Pete then Brian should have found a way to minimise damage to Pete’s reputation. He should have sat down with the press alongside Pete and said he had decided to take Pete out of the Beatles and build a group around him. And Pete would have said “yeah I don’t like leaving the band but this is too good an opportunity to pass up.” And there would have been no demonstrations from the fans. And no damage done to Pete’s career. It was the first big crisis Brian Epstein faced managing the Beatles. And he handled it pretty badly.
It's not like the Beatles in mid-1962 were that famous. They didn't even have a record. Just a local pop group that nobody other than city centre teens had any knowledge of. The entirety of the "press" was a single Liverpool music paper.
I feel bad for Pete Best. And personally, I believe John, Paul, George should have told him themselves. Brian, I believe, just followed their wish to fire Pete. We are all easy judges. But I also think, I am not the only person who can say of herself: What the "lads" did to Pete was not a great shot, however, there were moments in my life, too, when I sacked people, lovers, friends in a very like bad manner. And other people, lovers, friends have sacked me too in situations that I do not wish to recall. The Fab Four - in contrast - without knowing ahead of time changed music history. And for Pete Best, it just feels bad. If you want to dig even deeper - did John turn out to be a happy guy, in the end? Did George? And is it Karma? I bet this goes too far. It's fair enougj to say that life is not fair, but a struggle.
@@mitgift167 In retrospect you could argue the whole thing was a case of a lack of maturity. We tend to forget how young the Beatles were in 1962. They were barely out of their teens really. And just a bunch of kids having to deal with all of these decisions. When George Martin decided to use a hired drummer on Love me do. They took that as the deciding factor to get rid of him. Rather than wait for him to get another chance from Martin to drum on the next single. They got rid of him pretty quickly. Perhaps if they had been a bit older and wiser they wouldn’t have been so hasty. But you are right we do things in our lives that are not very nice to other people. And only in retrospect do we realise how thoughtless that was.
The worst part was not that the band dropped him, but the way they did it. They use him and his vehicle for 2 years and they showed how little they thought of him by not telling him in person. He was just painfully shy, but they obviously didn't understand that.
@@kimeojin1234 yes i am well aware it is from the film, i was asking how these clips are becoming available on you tube. As i saw 1 the other day with "the beatles" in abbey rd studio the famous i dont like your tie clip
@pennylane6311 ah. That's what you meant. Well from what I can see, the movie released over half a year ago but didn't do quite well.. so they're releasing little tidbits to various media channels to get the interest going. Never knew this film existed before I saw this clip, so it's clearly working!
@@kimeojin1234 it was shown at some film festival about a yr ago, and in August this year was released in cinemas in Australia & New zealand for some reason. There is a special gala event in liverpool the day before it goes on amazon prime. You must be abit out of the loop if you weren't aware this film was being made, it has taken nearly 4yrs to do what with the covid & various directors quitting etc... im sure most beatles fans will be aware of this film
In Pete Best’s autobiography he discusses this conversation. Wasn’t quite as depicted here. I believe a more accurate depiction of this event appeared in the movie Birth of the Beatles.
Yeah they do. Paul McCartney said in a interview about how he, George, and John saw Ringo perform while in Hamburg in Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, they were surprised and said Ringo was really good. Ringo was able to do what Pete Best couldn't do: play well while performing live and recording, he can sing while playing the drums at the same time, and keep the tempo of the other boys. Ringo also had the exact same charm the boys had, the boys got to know him outside the music, and after performances from both The Beatles and Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, all four of them got to hang out.
She *(Mona)* even hired a news reporter to go down to the Cavern Club and watch The Beatles perform with Ringo as their new drummer on August 22nd 1962. Maybe that's how the backlash began. *(Y'know... the "Pete Best forever, Ringo Starr never!" thing.)*
True. It started in 1965 when Pete saw The Beatles were becoming more and more popular, and Beatlemania had swept the nation even more. He waited til his wife left the house to try to commit suicide. When his mom and brother Rory saved him, Rory called Pete a "bloody idiot".
After he was fired, he tried a few other musical projects, but it also didn't work out. Right as The Beatles were reaching global superstardom, Pete Best had landed a job in a bread factory. A fucking bread factory, and having to watch his former bandmates become the biggest, most influencial band of all time. Beyond depressing!
@@jefftruzzi Originally the black eye was going to be for Ringo since he was getting the backlash. Did you know Mona Best, Pete's mother, actually sent a reporter to go down to the Cavern Club on August 22nd to see The Beatles perform with Ringo as their new drummer? No lie.
@@lisettegarcia7013 who knows, but you go on Pete's current videos, and the comments are there saying Paul should tour with him for a "huge reunion" or something. He is unfortunately still quite inconsistent as a drummer
This film quite rightly tells a fundamental truths that have been ignored. Epstein was ' the adult in the room' and Best was a very good looking and talented guy that became a casualty of the bands path to success. This is why the actors chosen to play the other Beatles are deliberately ' lame' ; the story is about Brian and the business acumen that created the phenomenon. The version of lennon here, is how business people and the establishment would percieve him : a cheeky chappy. Thats all. The final version of lennon in 1980 was haggard, pale thin and ' levelled up'. The magic of the 60s made them look superhuman, but the real superhero was Epstein and Martin and later, Lyndsay Hogg , Dick James and the Apple Corp.
@@Tobysmith26351 dude had to make $$ while he could. I don’t fault him for that. But his book isn’t held to be one of the best Beatle books for a reason.
In an interview from the summer of 1968 John Lennon was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in rock. He replied, "I'm not sure if he's the best drummer in the Beatles!" Pete Best was an awful drummer. Just listen to the Decca demo.
If they had stayed with Pete, they would have been just a good English band in the 60s, but they wouldn't have been The Beatles we all remember and know and love. They had already been turned down by other record companies. George Martin was only willing to give them a thumbs up if they replaced the drummer. If they had kept Pete but used a studio drummer for recording, how long do you think that would have lasted?
I thought I'd read that Brian - who apparently never came on to the other Beatles, with the possible exception of the Lennon holiday in Spain - came on to Pete at that meeting, who turned it down. Maybe that was conjecture.
I feel the film is a bit fantastical ; drummers get fired all the time. No one knew back then how big the group was going to become. They could just as well have bombed. So this is a retrospective look back based on their enormous success later on , so the scene is disingenuous. Sure , Pete was probably pissed at being replaced , but he had no way pf knowing the future , nether did Brian.
From these two characters’ pov, it would have seemed a big / important moment. Pete isn’t thinking “drummers get fired all the time”, he’s thinking this is the worst moment of my life. Same for Brian, having to make his first big decision under immense pressure. So ironically your opinion is more retrospective than the scene is.
When George said they needed a new drummer it was misconstrued as replacing Pete but all George meant was hiring a session drummer for the recordings. This is standard practice. But Brian, being inexperienced, and the boys being young, panicked and dropped Pete. There were groups of girls protesting outside Epstein’s office for weeks. It turned out for the Best though; Pete was never a ‘Beatle’
But that wasn't until Pete was taking all the spotlight from the boys and it was starting to be more like Pete's band, not The Beatles. John, Paul, and George were in Pete's shadow and who knows that the name was going to become: *Pete Best and the Bug Boys* , or even *Pete Best and the Beatles* .
They had planned to drop Pete long before George Martin was involved. But they didn't have anyone lined up and to be fair, they were all too chicken to do it themselves.
@@fz7091 I know, there are pictures of George with a black eye. Most of those fans probably changed their mind when they heard how amazing they are with Ringo.
@@pelgervampireduck I agree with that. In the anthology series, Ringo actually said that George fought for him. If Ringo took the hit instead of George, he would probably be back in the hospital. *(Hasn't Ringo had enough with hospitals all ready in his life!?)*
Pete wasn't good. He stole the spotlight from his former band mates and the boys were becoming to be standing in his shadow. If they kept Pete, the band would probably be staying in the Cavern Club playing the same songs until they reached their forties.
John considered the Beatles his band and Best just didn't fit in. When Paul was getting more attention and matching Lennon's songwriting prowess, he grew jealous and the arguments got worse, leading to the break up
shut up Pete, you are not the beat because you don't have a beat, you can't play, Ringo is an amazing drummer, George Martin, Brian and the other three Beatles made the best choice for the band. they were going to make a proffesional recording, they needed somebody that could actually do the job at a proffesional quality level.
You are correct, my friend! When watching this scene many times, I point out many things of how Ringo can do the things Pete couldn't do. I also said like I was talking to Pete; '"If you were sick, do you expect John, Paul, and George to cancel their performance at the Cavern Club and leave?'" But it was a good thing that Rory Storm and the Hurricanes were there too which got Ringo a chance to take Pete's place that night.
they should have never gotten him in the first place, he was awful, he couldn't play, the recordings are out there, just listen to how bad he is on the decca tapes or the tony sheridan album. he made the whole band suck. the moment Ringo joined the whole band improved like a million times, they became so solid and like a different band.
The real reason Best was fired was because the label and Epstein didn't want the drummer of the Beatles to have been born in India (which he was, in Madras, as was his mother, in Delhi). They needed them all born in England. Nobody will ever admit it - but that was the reason. They needed them to be squeaky-clean, all hometown England boys, with zero controversy or complicated pasts. India had just been liberated from British control only 15 years earlier and things were still very sensitive. It would have made headlines right away that the drummer was born in India. And in the early '60's, for what they were about to market, that wouldn't do. There have been several interviews with people around them at the time who strongly hint that was the real reason. If you listen to those early records - there was nothing wrong with his drumming at all. The real reason the Beatles didn't fire him themselves was because they didn't want him fired. They were simply told: we can't have your drummer having been born in India. All of this is incredibly ironic, of course, considering how much the group was later identified with India just a few years later when the counterculture embraced it. But that's the real story you'll never see in a movie.
That's the real story in a world where everything is directed based on what hurts you. Reality is, he drummed in the first recording session of Love Me Do when they could've easily asked Ringo as they've already had him fill in for Pete for The Beatles. George Martin immediately saw that and how couldn't he? This is a man who's classically oriented with music, not with rock and roll. He saw that Pete Best's playing was quite limited, he spent 2 years as the drummer of The Beatles performing thousands of times and unlike Harrison, McCartney, and Lennon, he didn't improve nor did he find a style that's his. If you look at the Anthology album, he holds the beat and doesn't add any flavour, he maintains it. Ringo on the other hand brought a feel and technique that drove the music forward. Unlike Pete Best, he managed to sophisticate his style in two years, just look at the drum track on Ticket To Ride, Your comment is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever read. The fact they're from Liverpool was more mindblowing than being from India. At the very least people in London or across the US even knew what India is; nobody heard of Liverpool or cared much about it at all. Ravi Shankar was highly reputed before The Beatles even was a band. The only real story is that you need your trousers back on.
Paul or John once said that back when they was playing with Pete, Ringo sat down at the drum kit for fun one day and when they started playing together, he felt that this was "it", there was something complete about it.
I feel sorry for Pete.
It’s a real experience. When you play with people and it meshes really well. A drummer can make a huge difference, even if technical skills are only marginally different.
Ringo was a great drummer & played the songs.
George said that.
Perfectly sums up my opinion, I feel sorry for Pete but I love Ringo
Pete is always forever.. the original drummer of the beatles
The guy playing Pete Best really nails his voice.
He looks like him too.
yes Pete Best voice sounds real, but Epsteins voice doesn't sound anything like the old Cellarful of Noise recordings he made back then
Pete's voice was a lot lower.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! I NOTICED THAT ,TOO. IMMEDIATELY
He does. Adam Lawrence, the actor playing as Pete Best, really did convinced me that he was Pete! I can hear and see him in the movie, and when he was playing the drums, getting the new look as the boys, or even briefly shaking hands with Ringo, I was having that expression to where Pete had to go as soon as 1962 approached. *(The kind to where it felt like; "No matter how many times you tell him to improve, he still won't listen. Pete has to go!".)*
To be fair, they sticked with Pete that long because of the Casbah.
They should have done it earlier and sooner. Cold blooded the way they kept Pete that long only to fire him.
Kept on wondering and hoping if they will have this scene be made in the movie. The world needs to know what the day was like when Brian Epstein gave Pete Best the bad news.
Saw the name and thumbnail, tapped right away!
Read the book "Tune In, All These Years", by Mark Lewisohn and you'll know this scene is pure bullshit and completely made up.
"The world needs to know what the day was like when Brian Epstein gave Pete Best the bad news" - Hah! Are you always this ridiculous?
They do have that scene!
Ringo was a better drummer, but it’s also about image. Pete had more of a quiet, sexy rock and roll vibe. When they all got the mop top haircuts, Pete stayed with the greaser look. Ringo was more flexible, light hearted, and brought a personality they needed as a group. It was a calculated decision. It needed to happen in order for the band to go where they wanted to commercially. The Beatles image during the early phase of their success was just as vital to the world falling in love with them as their music was
John Lennon was jealous of all the attention that Pete Best got from female fans and Ringo was replaced by studio musicians on many of their recordings. It didn't need to happen.
@@christophersansone2755 John was jealous… period. Everyone felt the burn of his insecurities at one point or another. Ringo getting replaced by session players has nothing to do with the image of the group from a marketing perspective. Pete had a big following with live audiences from Liverpool and Hamburg. Brian Epstein and George Martin knew in order to get maximum exposure from tv and press, they had to be clean, non threatening, and fit together like a 4 way jigsaw puzzle. Pete stuck out both in image and personality from the rest. Not good for business. It wasn’t personal, it’s just showbiz
@@christophersansone2755 I honestly feel sorry for your family if this is how wrong you are about everything all the time.
@@BD12 hahahahahahahahahaha you're a funny guy.
@@BD12 hahahahahahahahaha you're a funny guy.
Imagine Pete drumming on She Said She Said, Rain, A Day In The Life, Come Together, Strawberry Fields, etc. etc. Ouch.
That would have been really interesting!
@@Uetti No. It would be terrible!
@@lisettegarcia7013 Who knows?
We'll never know
@@Uetti Everyone knows it would be terrible. Pete doesn't sound great during recordings.
He was right. The fans never forgot this. They just accepted Ringo and moved on.
I always thought Ringo was the original member of the band, like how Mick Jagger was the leader of The Rolling Stones. But guess I was wrong.
I was actually mad that Pete's so-called "fans" wanted to punch Ringo in the face but George took it instead. You just have to accept change.
Ringo did nothing wrong with being the new drummer, he was able to do the things Pete couldn't do: He played the drums ever since he was little while in the hospital, he plays amazing in both performing and recording, and can sing while playing the drums at the same time. And don't get me started on how he knows when to play during their Shea Stadium concert.
as a fan I'm so happy they got Ringo!, the band as a whole became so much better!!!, listen to the recordings with Pete, the were awful, they sucked, no wonder record labels rejected them.
@@pelgervampireduck Me too. Ringo is one of my favorite drummers out of Roger Taylor from Queen, Charlie Watts from The Rolling Stones, and Dennis Wilson from The Beach Boys.
Not at first. There are pictures from the 'Love Me Do' session & you can see George has black eyes which were courtesy of some female fans upset about Pete Best being sacked.
As John said, Pete was a good drummer but Ringo was a better Beatle.
And a much better drummer, John himself complained about Pete Best’s ability
And yet he played with them for two years and hundreds of jams lol
@@caiooliveira4586 He played the same rhythm for them in every song. Rock n roll usually had a standard beat but that wasn’t what the Beatles were trying to do for the rest of their careers
@@RollingThunder572 You're right!
Care yo disagree - listen to the Deca Audution tapes and you can hear Pete was a mediocre drummer at best, which is clearly evident in how he has a tendency to rush things. Ringo, not being a technically gifted drummer, had the ability to play on time but also was incredibily giften in recognizing what makes a song good. Just listen to the opening fill on Come Together or Ticket to Ride. Sorry, but Pete was the rotten apple and needed to go.
If you have any doubts about this decision you need to listen to the decca auditions, he was all over the place
Tough one. I think I'd have to say: the Best of the Beatles
the decca tapes, the tony sheridan album, and the EMI sessions, specially the "love me do" take, are proof enough that they made the best chocie for the band, George Martin was right. Pete was awful and for a proffesional job they needed someone that could play at level of quality Pete just couldn't.
Wings were of course the band The Beatles could have been.
@@anthonycraig1458 wings was a lie not even mccartney believed :D
I don't know if anybody else here has heard Pete bass is drum tracks on some of their early demos but he is not a good drummer he never really worked on his craft and he just wasn't clicking with the Beatles really getting Ringo was a great move great move
It must have been tough for all involved. Sad as it was for Pete, Ringo was better. If you listen to the tapes you hear it.
The Decca Tapes are a hard listen. While Pete probably could have gotten better with more mileage; technically, with early 60's recording techniques he wouldn't cut it. There's been lots of drummers in his situation: they're great LIVE drummers but they're not good STUDIO drummers. In the studio, time (& tape) is money. The less money spent making a record means more money made on the sales of the record. That's exactly why here in America, we had studio bands like The Wrecking Crew, The Funk Brothers, Booker T & the MG's....Bread and Steam.
@@That_AMC_Guy Stan Lynch from the heartbreakers is a good example of that. Petty has said he is great live drummer, great energy. But in the studio he wasn't as strong. Personally, I have always enjoyed studio sound as opposed to live. You can really dial it in. Then again you have someone like Prince that is incredible live both in technique and style.
This was a great movie
I highly recommend "Tune In" Mark Lewisohn book. It goes into great detail about the sacking of Pete.
I wish one of the Beatle museums in Liverpool would have a Brian's Office exhibit where you get sit at Brian's desk and sack a Pete Best impersonator, haha. I think the queue would go around the block but it'd be worth waiting for.
who can diss pete the best !
You'd make more money with a show with you as Trump in "The Apprentice".
Studio recording was extremely demanding and expensive, unlike live playing, every minute flaw in timing, strumming and singing is exposed for all to hear. If you listen to the early Best demos with the Beatles it's easy to understand why he was removed. Why do you think studio musicians like "the wrecking crew" were so dominant in pop records recordings. Of course now it's all correctable by computer tools but then it was raw talent with very few ways to cover mistakes.
Pete best is a lovely bloke, got me my first job when I got sent to old swan job centre as a kid in the 80s
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They made the right decision.
Brian did the right thing and he agreed with the boys' decision.
1:21 this was news to Ringo
That's not Ringo. That's Pete Best.
Edit: Or you're talking about how Pete said that Ringo was his "friend"?
@lisettegarcia7013 2nd thing u said us what he meant, about bein friends.
@@zachyuffels Oh. That does have me wonder about that quite sometime. If Pete did say Ringo was his "friend", and in real life he said they both got along in some interviews, how come he didn't know about one of his "fans" trying to punch Ringo in the face?
But instead, Pete just stormed out of the office after telling Brian that his fans will never forget about him being kicked out.
It's not like Pete was there from the start...the other 3 got him involved so they had a drummer for Hamburg.... he was lucky to be involved at all really.. I'm really glad for him re the Anthology..he's been a rich man for 30 years.
He didn't even feel the sweetness of being on top, bitter and hurt along with many things for to be on the top, and when they was on the top they threw him away, so hard to be Pete Best
I can't imagine Pete playing "Something" or "Come Together" or "Rain" or "A Day In The Life" with any panache.
I can't imagine him playing anything after the first two albums.
there was no earlier talk of sacking Pete Best 'for cause', only after the rest felt they were on the cusp of something pretty big (with the new EMI contract)
Unfortunately they didn’t have the balls to tell Pete directly to his face. Regardless of their reasons for doing so they let Brian do the dirty work. And when Ringo’s name comes up Pete suddenly realised they have plotting to get rid of him for some time. I think Brian should have got them all in a room together and tried to sort it all out. And if they were adamant about sacking Pete then Brian should have found a way to minimise damage to Pete’s reputation. He should have sat down with the press alongside Pete and said he had decided to take Pete out of the Beatles and build a group around him. And Pete would have said “yeah I don’t like leaving the band but this is too good an opportunity to pass up.” And there would have been no demonstrations from the fans. And no damage done to Pete’s career. It was the first big crisis Brian Epstein faced managing the Beatles. And he handled it pretty badly.
It's not like the Beatles in mid-1962 were that famous. They didn't even have a record. Just a local pop group that nobody other than city centre teens had any knowledge of. The entirety of the "press" was a single Liverpool music paper.
That's not how things are done in bands, man.
It WAS sorted. They wanted him out.
I feel bad for Pete Best. And personally, I believe John, Paul, George should have told him themselves. Brian, I believe, just followed their wish to fire Pete.
We are all easy judges. But I also think, I am not the only person who can say of herself: What the "lads" did to Pete was not a great shot, however, there were moments in my life, too, when I sacked people, lovers, friends in a very like bad manner. And other people, lovers, friends have sacked me too in situations that I do not wish to recall.
The Fab Four - in contrast - without knowing ahead of time changed music history.
And for Pete Best, it just feels bad.
If you want to dig even deeper - did John turn out to be a happy guy, in the end? Did George?
And is it Karma?
I bet this goes too far.
It's fair enougj to say that life is not fair, but a struggle.
@@mitgift167 In retrospect you could argue the whole thing was a case of a lack of maturity. We tend to forget how young the Beatles were in 1962. They were barely out of their teens really. And just a bunch of kids having to deal with all of these decisions. When George Martin decided to use a hired drummer on Love me do. They took that as the deciding factor to get rid of him. Rather than wait for him to get another chance from Martin to drum on the next single. They got rid of him pretty quickly. Perhaps if they had been a bit older and wiser they wouldn’t have been so hasty. But you are right we do things in our lives that are not very nice to other people. And only in retrospect do we realise how thoughtless that was.
The worst part was not that the band dropped him, but the way they did it. They use him and his vehicle for 2 years and they showed how little they thought of him by not telling him in person. He was just painfully shy, but they obviously didn't understand that.
This is the 2nd clip ive now seen for the film. Where are these clips coming from? Need to see this film asap
@@Tobysmith26351 yep
It's from the 2024 movie Midas Man, and it seems to be available for viewing on Prime video.
@@kimeojin1234 yes i am well aware it is from the film, i was asking how these clips are becoming available on you tube. As i saw 1 the other day with "the beatles" in abbey rd studio the famous i dont like your tie clip
@pennylane6311 ah. That's what you meant.
Well from what I can see, the movie released over half a year ago but didn't do quite well.. so they're releasing little tidbits to various media channels to get the interest going. Never knew this film existed before I saw this clip, so it's clearly working!
@@kimeojin1234 it was shown at some film festival about a yr ago, and in August this year was released in cinemas in Australia & New zealand for some reason. There is a special gala event in liverpool the day before it goes on amazon prime. You must be abit out of the loop if you weren't aware this film was being made, it has taken nearly 4yrs to do what with the covid & various directors quitting etc... im sure most beatles fans will be aware of this film
Ringo is the best but felt bad for Pete he did fell into a depression after that
This clips hurts. The Best of the Beatles.
Womp waaaaahhhhh
In Pete Best’s autobiography he discusses this conversation. Wasn’t quite as depicted here. I believe a more accurate depiction of this event appeared in the movie Birth of the Beatles.
When is this film coming out?
October 29th 2024
Imagine how different the world would have been if Pete wasn’t sick on that specific day talk about butterfly effect
fella playing best has the best scouse accent out of all them
Adam Lawerence really does sound look like Pete Best back in '62. I can really see what went down back in August 16th of that year.
Ringo they loved him.
Yeah they do. Paul McCartney said in a interview about how he, George, and John saw Ringo perform while in Hamburg in Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, they were surprised and said Ringo was really good.
Ringo was able to do what Pete Best couldn't do: play well while performing live and recording, he can sing while playing the drums at the same time, and keep the tempo of the other boys.
Ringo also had the exact same charm the boys had, the boys got to know him outside the music, and after performances from both The Beatles and Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, all four of them got to hang out.
Should have led with ‘I’d like to put you in a different group’ like an HR move. Pete would have been able to get used to the idea
Pete best was an awful drummer, they made the right choice. Listen to his drumming now, he still hasn't improved in 50 years lol
Couldn't drum for toffee and didn't have the Beatle sense of humour,also Petes overbearing mother Mona was a thorn in Brian's side
She *(Mona)* even hired a news reporter to go down to the Cavern Club and watch The Beatles perform with Ringo as their new drummer on August 22nd 1962.
Maybe that's how the backlash began. *(Y'know... the "Pete Best forever, Ringo Starr never!" thing.)*
it was devastating for pete, later on he attempted suicide but was stopped by his mother & brother.
True. It started in 1965 when Pete saw The Beatles were becoming more and more popular, and Beatlemania had swept the nation even more. He waited til his wife left the house to try to commit suicide.
When his mom and brother Rory saved him, Rory called Pete a "bloody idiot".
Drummers & bassists are bands revolving door.
Brian should have turned around before he said each line.
LOL
Ha ha I get that 😂
it had to be done
Because it's World Series time please allow me this analogy...Ringo is Johnny Bench and Pete Best is Choo Choo Coleman...
Oh dear.
Ringo Never!! 👊 Pete Best Forever!! ❤️
After he was fired, he tried a few other musical projects, but it also didn't work out.
Right as The Beatles were reaching global superstardom, Pete Best had landed a job in a bread factory. A fucking bread factory, and having to watch his former bandmates become the biggest, most influencial band of all time.
Beyond depressing!
He tried suicide in the late 60s. He finally got money in the 90s thanks to Beatles Anthology.
Not to mention he planned on commiting suicide in 1965. His brother Rory saved him but he called Pete a "bloody idiot" for trying to do that idea.
With one of his bands, he opened for the Beatles. This sure was ice cold mood.
The fans absolutely did forget this
In the long run. In the short run George got a black eye for it.
@@jefftruzzi Originally the black eye was going to be for Ringo since he was getting the backlash.
Did you know Mona Best, Pete's mother, actually sent a reporter to go down to the Cavern Club on August 22nd to see The Beatles perform with Ringo as their new drummer? No lie.
Damn
Well it did happen and The Beatles wouldn't become legends if they kept Pete. He had to leave, Ringo was brought in, and everyone began to love them.
The fans will forget it Pete.
to be fair there are a few that stand by pete to this day.
@@SHATTERGATESTUDIOS Really? Are they mad at Ringo just like his other fans in 1962?
@@lisettegarcia7013 who knows, but you go on Pete's current videos, and the comments are there saying Paul should tour with him for a "huge reunion" or something. He is unfortunately still quite inconsistent as a drummer
If Paul were to ever tour with a Beatles drummer, it would be Ringo.
@Limeegg1 True.
Prefer The Beatles myself ! There`s hundreds of film clips of the most famous Englishmen and greatest music making machine in earths history 👌
This film quite rightly tells a fundamental truths that have been ignored. Epstein was ' the adult in the room' and Best was a very good looking and talented guy that became a casualty of the bands path to success. This is why the actors chosen to play the other Beatles are deliberately ' lame' ; the story is about Brian and the business acumen that created the phenomenon. The version of lennon here, is how business people and the establishment would percieve him : a cheeky chappy. Thats all. The final version of lennon in 1980 was haggard, pale thin and ' levelled up'. The magic of the 60s made them look superhuman, but the real superhero was Epstein and Martin and later, Lyndsay Hogg , Dick James and the Apple Corp.
"Ringo... was my friend..." Oh pull the other one. Beatle history is so rich and detailed; why do biopics insist on inventing things out of the blue.
You haven’t read Pete’s book then
@@Tobysmith26351 you’re right - I’d trust Pete’s objectivity as much as I’d trust his ability to keep tempo.
@@VincentTruman he’s not being objective though, is he.
@@Tobysmith26351 dude had to make $$ while he could. I don’t fault him for that. But his book isn’t held to be one of the best Beatle books for a reason.
My point is that it’s irrelevant whether it’s objectively true, it’s coming out of Pete’s mouth. So it’s accurate for Pete to say it in the scene.
Surely they could've found actors that look more like Epstein and Best than that?!
I wonder how Pete would have done in A hard Day's night.
Mean, moody and magnificent.
I can picture him walking sadly by the canal with Pete's Theme (This Boy) playing in the background
In an interview from the summer of 1968 John Lennon was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in rock. He replied, "I'm not sure if he's the best drummer in the Beatles!" Pete Best was an awful drummer. Just listen to the Decca demo.
John never said that, it came from a radio sketch of a british radio humourist in the 80's.
John Had a Warped sense Of Humor@@nicktamer4969
If they had stayed with Pete, they would have been just a good English band in the 60s, but they wouldn't have been The Beatles we all remember and know and love. They had already been turned down by other record companies. George Martin was only willing to give them a thumbs up if they replaced the drummer. If they had kept Pete but used a studio drummer for recording, how long do you think that would have lasted?
How long did that last the Beach Boys? Let me think...YEARS.
@@jefftruzzi Right. And their drummer drank and drugged himself into an early grave! So that all worked out great for them, huh?
I thought I'd read that Brian - who apparently never came on to the other Beatles, with the possible exception of the Lennon holiday in Spain - came on to Pete at that meeting, who turned it down. Maybe that was conjecture.
I feel the film is a bit fantastical ; drummers get fired all the time. No one knew back then how big the group was going to become. They could just as well have bombed. So this is a retrospective look back based on their enormous success later on , so the scene is disingenuous. Sure , Pete was probably pissed at being replaced , but he had no way pf knowing the future , nether did Brian.
From these two characters’ pov, it would have seemed a big / important moment. Pete isn’t thinking “drummers get fired all the time”, he’s thinking this is the worst moment of my life. Same for Brian, having to make his first big decision under immense pressure. So ironically your opinion is more retrospective than the scene is.
When George said they needed a new drummer it was misconstrued as replacing Pete but all George meant was hiring a session drummer for the recordings. This is standard practice. But Brian, being inexperienced, and the boys being young, panicked and dropped Pete. There were groups of girls protesting outside Epstein’s office for weeks. It turned out for the Best though; Pete was never a ‘Beatle’
But that wasn't until Pete was taking all the spotlight from the boys and it was starting to be more like Pete's band, not The Beatles.
John, Paul, and George were in Pete's shadow and who knows that the name was going to become: *Pete Best and the Bug Boys* , or even *Pete Best and the Beatles* .
Pete was never a solid enough drummer. All the surviving audio of pete drumming confirms this. Totally dull and basic.
@@lisettegarcia7013 No.
They had planned to drop Pete long before George Martin was involved. But they didn't have anyone lined up and to be fair, they were all too chicken to do it themselves.
The actor playing Brian looks more like Pete and vice versa. Neither looks right for either part, but Pete Best actor looks too old.
Yes, on this evidence I won't be troubling the box office.
No im not being horrible ,but there is more to this than meets the eye ,and nobody wants to hear it
Can’t act that Pete best fella
Pete forever Ringo never, Pete supporters 1962.
then you are deluded, deaf and crazy since 1962
@@pelgervampireduck Pete fans actually said that, they even rioted and punched george
@@fz7091 I know, there are pictures of George with a black eye.
Most of those fans probably changed their mind when they heard how amazing they are with Ringo.
@@pelgervampireduck I agree with that. In the anthology series, Ringo actually said that George fought for him. If Ringo took the hit instead of George, he would probably be back in the hospital. *(Hasn't Ringo had enough with hospitals all ready in his life!?)*
Think how big the Beatles could have gotten if they kept Pete.
Not that big I’d assume. Pete was a good live drummer, but in the studio, he wasn’t that great.
Pete wasn't good. He stole the spotlight from his former band mates and the boys were becoming to be standing in his shadow.
If they kept Pete, the band would probably be staying in the Cavern Club playing the same songs until they reached their forties.
one album and forgotten
@@pelgervampireduck Eeyup.
OH. PULEEESE
This dude looks 35, Pete was 17 or 18 when they kicked him out
He was actually 21, being born in 1941
Lul this is so funny. Pete is mid af
I heard Pete Best went home and cried, "boo hoo two three four boo hoo two three four ..."
Pete sounds Scottish
John considered the Beatles his band and Best just didn't fit in. When Paul was getting more attention and matching Lennon's songwriting prowess, he grew jealous and the arguments got worse, leading to the break up
John was always the leader. Paul says so in Anthology.
The breakup was mainly due to business & management.
John didn't need to consider it. It was his band. He asked Paul if he wanted to join. He gave George the OK to be in the band.
@@jefftruzzi”business and management” is a weird way to spell Yoko Ono.
shut up Pete, you are not the beat because you don't have a beat, you can't play, Ringo is an amazing drummer, George Martin, Brian and the other three Beatles made the best choice for the band. they were going to make a proffesional recording, they needed somebody that could actually do the job at a proffesional quality level.
You are correct, my friend! When watching this scene many times, I point out many things of how Ringo can do the things Pete couldn't do. I also said like I was talking to Pete; '"If you were sick, do you expect John, Paul, and George to cancel their performance at the Cavern Club and leave?'"
But it was a good thing that Rory Storm and the Hurricanes were there too which got Ringo a chance to take Pete's place that night.
Pete should’ve stayed with The Beatles as their first drummer.
They shouldn’t have fired him because of his “Drumming Skills”.
Are you a Pete Best fan?
they should have never gotten him in the first place, he was awful, he couldn't play, the recordings are out there, just listen to how bad he is on the decca tapes or the tony sheridan album. he made the whole band suck. the moment Ringo joined the whole band improved like a million times, they became so solid and like a different band.
Scottish Pete.
Nah. If you listen to videos of Pete talking, It’s spot on.
@@Tobysmith26351 I defer to your knowledge Toby. It's been years since I heard him speak.
This sucks. Not at all the reality.
The real reason Best was fired was because the label and Epstein didn't want the drummer of the Beatles to have been born in India (which he was, in Madras, as was his mother, in Delhi). They needed them all born in England. Nobody will ever admit it - but that was the reason. They needed them to be squeaky-clean, all hometown England boys, with zero controversy or complicated pasts. India had just been liberated from British control only 15 years earlier and things were still very sensitive. It would have made headlines right away that the drummer was born in India. And in the early '60's, for what they were about to market, that wouldn't do. There have been several interviews with people around them at the time who strongly hint that was the real reason. If you listen to those early records - there was nothing wrong with his drumming at all. The real reason the Beatles didn't fire him themselves was because they didn't want him fired. They were simply told: we can't have your drummer having been born in India. All of this is incredibly ironic, of course, considering how much the group was later identified with India just a few years later when the counterculture embraced it. But that's the real story you'll never see in a movie.
That's the real story in a world where everything is directed based on what hurts you.
Reality is, he drummed in the first recording session of Love Me Do when they could've easily asked Ringo as they've already had him fill in for Pete for The Beatles. George Martin immediately saw that and how couldn't he? This is a man who's classically oriented with music, not with rock and roll.
He saw that Pete Best's playing was quite limited, he spent 2 years as the drummer of The Beatles performing thousands of times and unlike Harrison, McCartney, and Lennon, he didn't improve nor did he find a style that's his. If you look at the Anthology album, he holds the beat and doesn't add any flavour, he maintains it.
Ringo on the other hand brought a feel and technique that drove the music forward. Unlike Pete Best, he managed to sophisticate his style in two years, just look at the drum track on Ticket To Ride,
Your comment is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever read. The fact they're from Liverpool was more mindblowing than being from India. At the very least people in London or across the US even knew what India is; nobody heard of Liverpool or cared much about it at all. Ravi Shankar was highly reputed before The Beatles even was a band.
The only real story is that you need your trousers back on.
@@YouKnowMyNameLUTN Agreed. After all Cliff Richard was born in India and he was a huge star in the 50’s, 60’s and beyond!
Absolute nonsense
@@premgoyal4192exactly
This comment was written by a pure vegetable.
Real cheap production