I think he's speaking less to Schayer's actual skills-he also describes him as maybe the band's most technical drummer-and more to the fact that his slightly more understated style didn't fully mesh with what the band was doing on the first two records he played on, which was exacerbated by the writing on those records being kind of uneven in general, but with everything really clicking into place on Stranger Than Fiction. Whether or not you agree with this assessment is a different matter, however.
Wait! Think about this: A punk band making and releasing a goddamn prog record in the middle of punk and hardcore's heyday, to a bunch of snobby music fans who would throw a fit at the mere mention of prog. HOW IS THAT NOT THE BALLSIEST, MOST PUNK THING YOU COULD DO AT THAT TIME?? I still think they should reissue it on its own. It's not like the songs themselves are that bad. Sure, they're a little derivative, but so was their debut. As a fan of both punk and prog, I really don't think technical proficiency should be the end-all be-all in prog rock. Plus, there were new elements introduced on Into the Unknown that BR would carry over into their later albums (i.e. their new approach to melodies and harmonies). If anything, I think albums like Suffer and No Control are so great because they combined most of the best elements of those first two albums.
I'd like to see a prog band set themselves a challenge of writing an alhum that can be played by novices. That would be something original. Into the Unknown has heart and there are some really good covers on UA-cam (thinking of a specific "chasing the wild goose" cover). The band can still tear it up live with "The Dichotomy".
"reissue" How about rerecording it? BR's current lineup are proficient at playing and producing recorded music in a way they weren't when the record was originally made - proficient enough to play the songs Prog style and equipped and budgeted to cut the album with Prog production. I know it won't happen, but it's an interesting thought experiment.
I love every BR album tbh, one of my favorite records I own is an OG pressing of "Into The Unknown" and I feel like it gets more hate then it deserves. I showed that album to a friend of mine that loves synthesizers, his favorite band is Devo, and it blew his mind
Agree that “Shades of Truth” slaps…but honestly one of my favorite BR songs ever is “In So Many Ways.” That wacky intro solo into the half-time pre-verse with their signature oozin-ahhs is such a highlight for me.
Atomic Garden was actually my intro to Bad Religion…because it was on the NCAA Football 06 soundtrack. That game also introduced me to Debaser by Pixies, Train in Vain by The Clash, and Me Myself and I by De La Soul. Also Jawbreaker, Mother Love Bone, NOFX, Superchunk…that soundtrack was great omg.
That album cover for “The New America.” I can see how the conversation went with the art director. “Guys, attack helicopters are cool! You can never have enough attack helicopters!!!” (Sounds of a mouse clicking to duplicate the same helicopter 17,000 fucking times!)
How to get into Bad Religion - buy a bad religion album, listen to it. If you like it, get another one. If you don’t, try something else, and maybe come back to it in a few years and try again. That’s how it worked for me - bought and listened to Suffer, and while it had good songs, it didn’t really “do it” for me. I came back to it after a few years and loved it, then went and got the rest of their catalogue and on into the future. And Christmas Songs is played every year in my house.
Man, I love into the unknown! It’s great! Songs Time and disregard, it’s only over when and you give up are so conceptual and unusual It’s so melodic and with Greg’s voice I LOVE THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!
I think Generator and Recipe For Hate would be loved for anyone coming from the alternative/grunge scene. Probably because happened to me: when i discovered BR and digged in the rest of their discography i was into Pearl Jam and Soundgarden too, so songs like The Answer and Struck A Nerve inmediately become favorites of mine. Plus the singles of both records are classics and Eddie Vedder guest vocals in "Recipe..." were enough reasons to enjoy. Despite Greg's struggles in personal life and the recording sessions, i still regard positively on New America. "You've Got a Chance" is an amazing opener and i like the positivity (despite the personal issues) of Greg in "There Will Be a Way". Although "I Love My Computer" is the weirdest song ever made from BR that is not coming from Into Unknown, but like Greg, i also love my computer too (lol). Great video Crash, as always!
Not mentioning Skyscraper as a highlight on Recipe For Hate is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge snub and I'm surprised you didn't mention the noticeably worse production on it.
I got into Bad Religion because Age of Unreason was on your best of 2019 list, as well as a couple of others bands I've picked up on because of your recommendations so you've got just as much influence on my musical tastes as the video games of my formative years
I remember in 1998 Shades of Truth got played on 94.1 WYSP Philadelphia. I was shocked to hear it because I never heard BR on that station. I played the crap out of no substance that summer. My intro to BR was seeing the Infected video played on Superrock on MTV. Early 1995 I think.
They played "The Dichotomy" live when I saw them in 2019. It actually went down quite well - lots of moshing when it sped up. I was just amazed to hear an into the unknown song
Generator was the first album I ever heard from BR. For me, it's one of their best. No substance was the first BR album I bought at the time of it's release. Definitely not their best, but still it has songs that most bands would kill to have. In so many ways, for example. My favourite band of all time.
I agree about The New America. But... Don't sell me short, this song is just amazing. I also enjoy quite a bit The hopeless housewife. So, again, probably nobody will put this album among their favourites, but it has some songs that I a lot of bands can only dream about creating (don't sell me short)
No Substance slaps!!! I love: Shades of Truth Hear it In so many ways The same person Victims of the revolution Strange denial Sowing the seeds of utopia. All bangers.
You forgot to mention Skyscraper and Man with a Mission! Also, I agree with you on No Substance. Most guilty pleasure Bad Religion album. The production is FANTASTIC on it and its definitely more of a rock and roll album.
Bad Religion has been my favourite band for over 20 years, and apart from Tested, Generator is the album I most often listen to. Solid from start to finish. Fertile Crescent is my favourite song on Generator.
I’m not even in to Bad Religion as a band, personally, but I have heard a couple of songs from them, but I do appreciate your opinions and why you like them. I am looking forward to seeing your ‘How To Get Into: Iron Maiden’ videos and hopefully you can put on a review of ‘Senjutsu’ at the same time, as doing them too.
Iron Maiden is pretty much on the same level right? Definitely had their early albums, best period, come-back, and current track-record. I like Senjutsu, but I'm finding they are too repetitious on riffs and ideas that aren't all that great. Some better editing would improve a lot of songs on the last few albums, IMO. 🤘
Hey crash! Thank you so much for getting me into this band. I’m massively into to the Bay Area punk scene and I’d heard Do what you want and You but I never really got round to spinning their records so thank you for giving me a guide on what to get listening to. Cheers dude! (Btw your opinion on Process of Belief being your favourite BR album is the right one what a fucking album holy shit it blew my fucking head off)
Absolutely fantastic retrospective. About THE NEW AMERICA: Brett and Greg became friends again during the production of this album, and Brett co-wrote a track on it; Believe It. This song was in some ways the seed that led to the reunion on The Process of Belief. I agree that it's not a fantastic record, and it is very poppy, but there ARE some fantastic songs on it. Don't Sell Me Short is in my honest opinion one of their most epic and soaring songs. The backing vocals/harmonies on that song are bone-chillingly good. If I could give anyone hating this record some advice, it would be to at least play that song with the volume turned way up, and try not to get swept away. I also think songs like 1000 Memories and There Will Be a Way are very underrated. They are folksy and country-inspired, but the melodies are insanely catchy and the production is very good. The backing vocals on 1000 Memories are - just like Don't Sell Me Short - quite fantastic.
Just watched both videos. You did a great job. Absolutely nailed it man. I’ve been a Bad Religion fan since 1996. First song I ever heard was ‘Punk Rock Song’ whilst listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew who had Bad Religion in as guests. I was 16 years old and completely blown away by what I heard from BR. I then went out and bought The Grey Race. Loved it so much I got Recipe For Hate because it was the only different BR record Sam Goody had for sale. I loved that one too. Next, I got Suffer and I knew after that I would love everything they did and bought all the rest of em, Generator, No Control, How Could Hell Be Any Worse…how disappointed I was when the first new release I was actually anticipating from my favorite band was No Substance. I knew even then it was an aberration. But then The New America happened and I was like “Really? WTF happened guys? I completely bought in and now you’re churning out this shit?” Thank God for Process of Belief and the return of Brett Gurewitz because I was starting to become embarrassed by my favorite band….ah, good times😆
I LOVE New America. It’s my 2nd favorite album next to Stranger than fiction. Greg voice really shines on it for me, especially on You’ve Got a Chance, it’s a motivator in some way.
Absolutely agree. Whisper In Time, Don't Sell Me Short, and the Hopeless Housewife are amongst my all time favorites. And A World Without Melody is one of BR's most interesting songs they've ever made in my opinion
I pretty much agree with everything here... If you are a new listener of BR this is a great guide... Only songs missed: Submission Complete, Dept. Of false hope, Lost Pilgrim, All there is, Sinister Rouge and in so many ways. I love these tracks!
You did listen to "in so many ways" on no substance, right? Cause that song being banged out on the fly is fucking amazing. I really wish you would have given it an honorable mention cause that song is amazing.
It's funny, now that they are much older and more proficient as musicians and Brett as a producer I have this fantasy they ought to rerecord Into The Unknown as a Prog record *should* be recorded as opposed to the amateur job they did as youngsters. Add that to the "stuff that will never happen" pile lol.
What the hell is the context of that intro? I’m British so I never knew about Mr Rogers, but it seems like it was something to do with that. Also, Recipe for Hate was my jumping-on point. I actually would recommend that, but not over Suffer or No Control.
It's literally just Bad Religion's singer singing the Mr. Rogers theme ("It's a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood"). Frankly it's funny enough that it exists at all.
7:49 that's all the great songs in Recipe For Hate? I don't get it lol, Portrair of Authority and Don't Pray On Me are imo one of the very best Bad Religion songs, and there's also Lookin In and Skyscrapper are also great
Definitely agree with you on No Substance. It's flawed album, undercooked and some lyrics sound like "reddit atheism" pre reddit, but it has lots and lots of bops and I appreciate it. Also I know that Generator and Recipe for Hate are fan favourites, but I'm not one of those fans, I think these albums are good, but that's about it, just good, not their best (with some great songs)
As someone who was there when it came out. You can not overstate how good and ground breaking Suffer was. It changes things for an entire decade. Easily on the Mount Rushmore of punk rock records.
I'm a weirdo that actually likes The New America. I freely admit that this is probably largely due to nostalgia as it was my first album of theirs. It isn't my favorite, which would be The Process of Belief which also kicked my interest in the band definitely up several notches. However, TNA has a bunch of good songs on it, like A Streetkid named Desire, It's a Long Way to the Promised Land and Don't sell me short that do hold up. I was however until this video unfamiliar with the history of that album in the greater context of the band.
Not a fan, but ironically quite like 'I Love My Computer'. "don't brush me off just because I don't belong like it or not I'm all you've got, dispose when I'm shot just don't sell me short, I might not be who you thought" - also a great song!
Don't sell me short and lyrics like "you're talking to the stratosphere you're curled up on the floor. With such a wealth of information why are you so poor?" Shows that even New America has some darn good stuff on it. Thanks for doing this series it's quite entertaining
One of the first songs i remember from bad religion is "new dark ages", i just remember me playing videogames listening to that song... ofc others too, but i have a special love for that song, in those times i didnt even know what album was it from. Now i realize i dont even like or remember a lot of new maps from hell, but still probably a lot of bangers haha
It's disappointing to hear how badly Rundgren behaved towards the band, as I love his music, but setting aside the pat "don't meet your idols" conclusion (and his having twenty-odd years to turn into a grumpy old man), it seems like *everything* about recording that album was a miserable slog. Like, at least when Martin Hannett was being an absolute madman when recording Joy Division-the way he got Stephen Morris' drumming to sound like that is honestly pretty twisted-everyone involved was really invested in the process and putting out something incredible.
American Jesus was the first song I heard from Bad Religion and it was a damn good introduction imo. Thank you for making this to help me get into this band that I've wanted to for literal years now lol
American Jesus is such an amazing and powerful song that you feel like you understand the band the first time you hear them an you're probably already hooked
When you were talking about Into The Unknown, one of my favorite sayings came to mind: "Interesting" is the word you say when you can't say "good". LOL
Age of Unreason to me smacked of The Empire Strikes First. In 2019 I KNEW Bad Religion was gonna create a record attacking Totalitarian Trump just like in 2004 I knew they were gonna come up with a record attacking Neocon Dubya. I don't mind, but both records were predictable. And I enjoyed The New America BECAUSE it was unpredictable. Sucks that Rundgren didn't get along with the band during its production.
Listen to your brother's stranger than fiction cassette when you're 9, discover 'Slumber' and realize you have just been introduced to the greatest band of all time and still feel that way going on 30 years later. Worked for me. Funnily enough that is now one of the only songs I ever skip.
No Substance was actually the first album from BR I ever had a physical copy of, maybe not their best but I’ll still defend it as it got me into them. Like I love it too but I can see why it would be an ugly duckling, it’s my duckling though
Ah c'mon Crash, "All Good Soldiers" is one of the best tracks on Recipie for Hate! If you're gonna diss one of my favorite BR albums, at least do it properly! I kid, I kid. But yeah, despite my love for the album, a part of me has to admit it's an acquired taste. That record in particular seems to be going for a slightly more grunge-leaning approach than their other albums, so it does sound just a bit different from their later fare.
My jumping-on point as How Could Hell Be Any Worse - I love old-school hardcore punk a la Minor Threat and this is actually a pretty innovative album in many ways. Like, the fact they got their label name - a label expressly formed for the release of that album and the self-titled EP - from a King Crimson song heavily foreshadows the diversity of Internet music culture. And this was in 1982, back when prog was considered one of those really dweeby things punks wouldn't be caught dead listening to (hell, John Lydon coming out about his love of Pink Floyd and Van der Graaf Generator didn't become common knowledge until around the time of the Sex Pistols reunion concerts, so as far as Americans pre-Internet were aware, he hated prog). Only New Wavers and New Wave converts like Talking Heads and Split Enz even acknowledged prog - and in the Heads' case, their prog influences were pretty minimal since they were taking cues from a thousand other genres and scenes. Into the Unknown is just a slog to listen to. There are many, many, many better "dork age" albums than this one. I felt like I was listening to a really bad Styx/REO Speedwagon/Midwestern arena rock tribute act, but with Bad Religion lyrics. I know it laid the groundwork for Greg's gift of gab and the more technical side of Brett's guitar playing, but still...not good. No Control is great. Against the Grain is a masterpiece. Suffer is okay. Recipe for Hate is a good crossover album, though I haven't regularly listened to it since freshman year of college.
Funny that you recommend your video on "Into the Unknown" for those who want to know your thoughts on the album, because you seem to feel a lot more negatively about it than you did in that video.
One of my favorite details that indirectly reference Bad Religion is that Ichigo Kurosaki's (yes, THAT Ichigo Kurosaki) canonical favorite/theme song is "News From the Front"
While I don't necessarily disagree with your placement of Recipe for Hate in the hierarchy, pretending Stealth is anything more than a silly 30 second "hidden track" or at all representative of that album is a bit disingenuous. Also Skyscraper is a top 10 song across their entire catalog. Still really enjoyed your commentary. Process of Belief was a very formative album for me and cemented me as a diehard fan. I think the biggest change I'd make to your tiers would be flipping Dissent of Man with Recipe for Hate.
Hey Crash, what do you think about the only live version of Into the Unknown? From what I've seen there is a bootleg of "It's only over when..." and "The Dichotomy". They become such different songs without the synths.
I agree with most of your placements, although I would swap The New America and No Substance. I actually kind of love TNA; Whisper in Time, Let It Burn and Don't Sell Me Short are all personal favourites. No Substance, on the other hand, is easily the worst Bad Religion album, in my opinion. Outside of Shades of Truth and Hear It, it's either awful or completely forgettable. Anyway, I really enjoyed both parts of this. Always great to see my favourite band get some love.
"Bret and Greg had been listening to a lot of the oldschool classic punk..." No Substance was the 2nd album Bad Religion wrote after Bret left the band. As far as I know, Bret had nothing to do with it.
I have forgotten that "No Substance" exists MULTIPLE times, and in spite of BR being my favorite band (and I have listened to it multiple times), I still can't say I have any feelings one way or the other for that album
No Substance is no doubt one of the lower tier BR albums but I think it has some great songs on it like Hear It, In So Many Ways, Shades of Truth and Strange Denial. I totally disagree with you, everyone and the band themselves about The New America... Hahahahaha!! It is hands down one of my favourites, maybe I just have shit taste but I really love it, there are so many good songs on it, Streetkid, There Will Be a Way, Don't Sell Me Short, Believe It, Hopeless Housewife, Let It Burn... I get that it sticks out like a sore thumb in the discography because of a few factors, first of all a lot of the songs are a lot more personal than philosophical like you pointed out, and the Todd Rundgren production is so strange (but I find it kind of endearing). Greg's vocals are SO FREAKING good on it, you can really hear his anger, it's powerful and raw, even on a cheesy ass song like I Love My Computer. I used to hate the album too, at the time, but I think it's just because everyone hated it, including the band, so I just didn't really give it my full attention, but it's grown on me so much, and I like it more and more as time goes by. I think it's maybe in my sixth favourite? Process of Belief I think would have to be #1 for me, then Suffer, Grey Race, Stranger Than Fiction, Recipe for Hate and then The New America. BR really don't have a bad album though. They have bad songs but none of their albums are overall bad. Even Into the Unknown hahahaha
Right there with you on The New America. 1000 Memories is EASILY the best breakup song ever. Was going through a breakup myself when the record came out and that song hit me like a freight train. However, I'd argue that the one record of Bad Religion's discography that ISN'T good is The Dissent of Man. In particular, the last few songs on it. Where The Fun is, Turn Your Back on me, and I Won't Say Anything drag that record down hard. Even a straight banger such as Only Rain can't save it.
ua-cam.com/video/oInOXu6D0xA/v-deo.html This photo is so funny. Everybody trying to look punk rocky, only Greg Graffin looks like someone put LSD into the cup of beer that he is still holding in his hand. "Whoaa... and what if I wrote a spaced out synth album, maaaan?"
Was The Dissent of Man never even mentioned in this whole series? I might be kind of an odd duck, but I really love that one. It’s got some unusual tracks that do grow on you, but their sound is so full and developed on it, and when it’s on, they knock it out of the park on that album.
Ooooof... I actually kinda like some of the stuff I heard off of New America on shuffle, but learning about Rundgren being such a dick to a man who idolized and loved the fuck outta him... wow, that stings hard. That actually kinda makes me not wanna listen to it... Poor Greg, man...
Generator is like the Deep Space Nine of Bad Religion albums. It's like, one of the top 3 for every fan but I could understand a newcomer being completely lost. I always recommend Empire to metalheads and it's been a mostly successful way of getting them into the band. Helps if they're into Avenged Sevenfold.
1. Christmas Songs is an amazing album, it sounds great with Brooks' drums... I know it was a little bit of a joke album, but still a good one... and the money were donated to some charity institution.... Besides, this is by no means the first time they play Christmas carols 2. I totally agre on The Process of Belief being their all-time best album, is just perfect. 3. I love The New America... I even bought a CD copy of it in 2023 (well into the Spotify era). I did´t do it just to complete my BR collection (I only have 7 albums in CD format), I did it because I genuinly enjoy this album.
I think Bad Relgion is a band where the problem effects me as this video essay has taken me over a year to get through. This is weird for me as I love long videos of yours but unlike RUSH which I took in as quickly as possible took me a year to listen through just because I kept losing interest in this band. I'm a knube but I'll stick to the greatest hits for this band
Hear it, God tier. Shades of Truth, God tier. Biggest Killer, God tier. Raise Your Voice, God tier. Sowing the Seeds, God tier. Voracious March, God tier. Mediocre Minds, God tier. Mercy of Imbeciles, God tier. That's a strange kind of "rough around the edges" my friend.
Damn, my own HTGI list would be waaay different (Generator stan here though yeah, Two Babies are a slog). I'd actually start with How Could Hell..., No Control, Generator and Empire (maybe Against the Grain as well) for newcomers just to show variation the band can exhibit - despite, let's be honest, being AC/DC of 80/90s punk bands. Then I'd go with Suffer and Gray Race, Process of Belief, Stranger Than Fiction and True North for next steps, with everything but No Substance and The New America in digging section. Those two albums are just unnecessary while Into The Unknown is waaaay too much of a leftfield album in their discog so I can't hate it, really. Great video as usual, Crash
You got me into Bad Religion. Not you, Crash, You as heard on THPS2 during my adolescence. I imagine a lot of people got into them through Sublime's BR cover on 40 oz to Freedom -- it certainly introduced a lot of people to Descendents anyway. Also Jawbreaker's Chasing the Wild Goose cover (live bootlegs are out there) totally justifies Into The Unknown's existence. Strip those cheesy keyboards away and those songs have some solid foundation.
Greg Graffin singing won't you be my neighbor was unexpectedly wholesome.
You could legit sum up BR's ethical philosophy as something like "be neighborly", right?
@@bowlsallbroken I....well...yeah, you have a point
Bobby Schayer being called "clunky" proves this man has never touched a drumstick.
I think he's speaking less to Schayer's actual skills-he also describes him as maybe the band's most technical drummer-and more to the fact that his slightly more understated style didn't fully mesh with what the band was doing on the first two records he played on, which was exacerbated by the writing on those records being kind of uneven in general, but with everything really clicking into place on Stranger Than Fiction. Whether or not you agree with this assessment is a different matter, however.
Wait! Think about this:
A punk band making and releasing a goddamn prog record in the middle of punk and hardcore's heyday, to a bunch of snobby music fans who would throw a fit at the mere mention of prog.
HOW IS THAT NOT THE BALLSIEST, MOST PUNK THING YOU COULD DO AT THAT TIME??
I still think they should reissue it on its own. It's not like the songs themselves are that bad. Sure, they're a little derivative, but so was their debut. As a fan of both punk and prog, I really don't think technical proficiency should be the end-all be-all in prog rock. Plus, there were new elements introduced on Into the Unknown that BR would carry over into their later albums (i.e. their new approach to melodies and harmonies). If anything, I think albums like Suffer and No Control are so great because they combined most of the best elements of those first two albums.
I'd like to see a prog band set themselves a challenge of writing an alhum that can be played by novices. That would be something original.
Into the Unknown has heart and there are some really good covers on UA-cam (thinking of a specific "chasing the wild goose" cover). The band can still tear it up live with "The Dichotomy".
"reissue"
How about rerecording it? BR's current lineup are proficient at playing and producing recorded music in a way they weren't when the record was originally made - proficient enough to play the songs Prog style and equipped and budgeted to cut the album with Prog production. I know it won't happen, but it's an interesting thought experiment.
I love every BR album tbh, one of my favorite records I own is an OG pressing of "Into The Unknown" and I feel like it gets more hate then it deserves. I showed that album to a friend of mine that loves synthesizers, his favorite band is Devo, and it blew his mind
The most highly awaited sequel since honey, we shrunk ourselves.
Skyscraper is one of the best BR tunes ever.
From one of the best albums ever.
Agree that “Shades of Truth” slaps…but honestly one of my favorite BR songs ever is “In So Many Ways.” That wacky intro solo into the half-time pre-verse with their signature oozin-ahhs is such a highlight for me.
Atomic Garden was actually my intro to Bad Religion…because it was on the NCAA Football 06 soundtrack. That game also introduced me to Debaser by Pixies, Train in Vain by The Clash, and Me Myself and I by De La Soul. Also Jawbreaker, Mother Love Bone, NOFX, Superchunk…that soundtrack was great omg.
That album cover for “The New America.” I can see how the conversation went with the art director. “Guys, attack helicopters are cool! You can never have enough attack helicopters!!!” (Sounds of a mouse clicking to duplicate the same helicopter 17,000 fucking times!)
There's a part of me that likes the cover because of how gloriously dated it is.
The european cover for this one is muuuuch better
@@laurentignacio9924 Yeah, it's the one I use for my laptop files playlist!
Noooooo Billy Gnosis is a jam and I will not change my mind
That along with time and disregard
How to get into Bad Religion - buy a bad religion album, listen to it.
If you like it, get another one. If you don’t, try something else, and maybe come back to it in a few years and try again.
That’s how it worked for me - bought and listened to Suffer, and while it had good songs, it didn’t really “do it” for me. I came back to it after a few years and loved it, then went and got the rest of their catalogue and on into the future.
And Christmas Songs is played every year in my house.
Man, I love into the unknown! It’s great! Songs Time and disregard, it’s only over when and you give up are so conceptual and unusual It’s so melodic and with Greg’s voice I LOVE THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!
Fun Fact: The name of their label Epitaph came from a King Crimson song.
The last four lyrics of "21st Century Digital Boy" directly quote "21st Century Schizoid Man" too.
I’ll stan their Christmas album any day. Their version of O Come, O Come Emmanuel SLAPS.
Bobby Schayer was my BR fav drummer. Just wanted to state that.
I think Generator and Recipe For Hate would be loved for anyone coming from the alternative/grunge scene. Probably because happened to me: when i discovered BR and digged in the rest of their discography i was into Pearl Jam and Soundgarden too, so songs like The Answer and Struck A Nerve inmediately become favorites of mine. Plus the singles of both records are classics and Eddie Vedder guest vocals in "Recipe..." were enough reasons to enjoy.
Despite Greg's struggles in personal life and the recording sessions, i still regard positively on New America. "You've Got a Chance" is an amazing opener and i like the positivity (despite the personal issues) of Greg in "There Will Be a Way". Although "I Love My Computer" is the weirdest song ever made from BR that is not coming from Into Unknown, but like Greg, i also love my computer too (lol).
Great video Crash, as always!
Not mentioning Skyscraper as a highlight on Recipe For Hate is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge snub and I'm surprised you didn't mention the noticeably worse production on it.
This one grinded my gears
Okay Babies in the Dark is ehh but The Answer should be mandatory reading in every school in America.
I got into Bad Religion because Age of Unreason was on your best of 2019 list, as well as a couple of others bands I've picked up on because of your recommendations so you've got just as much influence on my musical tastes as the video games of my formative years
I remember in 1998 Shades of Truth got played on 94.1 WYSP Philadelphia. I was shocked to hear it because I never heard BR on that station. I played the crap out of no substance that summer. My intro to BR was seeing the Infected video played on Superrock on MTV. Early 1995 I think.
They played "The Dichotomy" live when I saw them in 2019. It actually went down quite well - lots of moshing when it sped up. I was just amazed to hear an into the unknown song
If Crash ever does a Christmas album, the perfect title would be, "Merry Christmas, Fuckers!".
Yesss I would love this lol
I love both Generator and Recipe For Hate
Generator was the first album I ever heard from BR. For me, it's one of their best.
No substance was the first BR album I bought at the time of it's release. Definitely not their best, but still it has songs that most bands would kill to have. In so many ways, for example.
My favourite band of all time.
I agree about The New America. But... Don't sell me short, this song is just amazing. I also enjoy quite a bit The hopeless housewife. So, again, probably nobody will put this album among their favourites, but it has some songs that I a lot of bands can only dream about creating (don't sell me short)
@@Membrillo81 Agreed, spot on about those two songs!
@@Membrillo81 It actually is one of my faves. hahaha I'm starting to think I have shit taste.
No Substance slaps!!! I love:
Shades of Truth
Hear it
In so many ways
The same person
Victims of the revolution
Strange denial
Sowing the seeds of utopia.
All bangers.
The New America wasn’t technically written solely by Greg. Brett co-wrote “Believe It” and even plays the lead guitar on it.
You forgot to mention Skyscraper and Man with a Mission! Also, I agree with you on No Substance. Most guilty pleasure Bad Religion album. The production is FANTASTIC on it and its definitely more of a rock and roll album.
I listen to BR's "O Come, O Come Emmanuel" year around.
Comon The Answer is a classic.
Bad Religion has been my favourite band for over 20 years, and apart from Tested, Generator is the album I most often listen to. Solid from start to finish. Fertile Crescent is my favourite song on Generator.
Fertile Crescent off generator is a banger and what about skyscraper from recipe
I’m not even in to Bad Religion as a band, personally, but I have heard a couple of songs from them, but I do appreciate your opinions and why you like them.
I am looking forward to seeing your ‘How To Get Into: Iron Maiden’ videos and hopefully you can put on a review of ‘Senjutsu’ at the same time, as doing them too.
Iron Maiden is pretty much on the same level right? Definitely had their early albums, best period, come-back, and current track-record. I like Senjutsu, but I'm finding they are too repetitious on riffs and ideas that aren't all that great. Some better editing would improve a lot of songs on the last few albums, IMO. 🤘
It's funny, 'cause Recipe For Hate was one of the first BR albums I enjoyed in full 😜
My 12yo son and I are watching this together and we both love that album. For me it's No Control and Recipe for Hate at the top.
Greg Graffin probably has my favorite voice in all of punk rock, it's so perfect for what he does
Him and Tim McIlrath for me
Hey crash!
Thank you so much for getting me into this band. I’m massively into to the Bay Area punk scene and I’d heard Do what you want and You but I never really got round to spinning their records so thank you for giving me a guide on what to get listening to.
Cheers dude!
(Btw your opinion on Process of Belief being your favourite BR album is the right one what a fucking album holy shit it blew my fucking head off)
Absolutely fantastic retrospective.
About THE NEW AMERICA: Brett and Greg became friends again during the production of this album, and Brett co-wrote a track on it; Believe It. This song was in some ways the seed that led to the reunion on The Process of Belief.
I agree that it's not a fantastic record, and it is very poppy, but there ARE some fantastic songs on it.
Don't Sell Me Short is in my honest opinion one of their most epic and soaring songs. The backing vocals/harmonies on that song are bone-chillingly good. If I could give anyone hating this record some advice, it would be to at least play that song with the volume turned way up, and try not to get swept away.
I also think songs like 1000 Memories and There Will Be a Way are very underrated. They are folksy and country-inspired, but the melodies are insanely catchy and the production is very good. The backing vocals on 1000 Memories are - just like Don't Sell Me Short - quite fantastic.
Just watched both videos. You did a great job. Absolutely nailed it man. I’ve been a Bad Religion fan since 1996. First song I ever heard was ‘Punk Rock Song’ whilst listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew who had Bad Religion in as guests. I was 16 years old and completely blown away by what I heard from BR. I then went out and bought The Grey Race. Loved it so much I got Recipe For Hate because it was the only different BR record Sam Goody had for sale. I loved that one too. Next, I got Suffer and I knew after that I would love everything they did and bought all the rest of em, Generator, No Control, How Could Hell Be Any Worse…how disappointed I was when the first new release I was actually anticipating from my favorite band was No Substance. I knew even then it was an aberration. But then The New America happened and I was like “Really? WTF happened guys? I completely bought in and now you’re churning out this shit?” Thank God for Process of Belief and the return of Brett Gurewitz because I was starting to become embarrassed by my favorite band….ah, good times😆
Pete and brooks are my favorite drummers for bad religion
I LOVE New America. It’s my 2nd favorite album next to Stranger than fiction. Greg voice really shines on it for me, especially on You’ve Got a Chance, it’s a motivator in some way.
Glad I'm not alone on that..Im a big fan of it
Even the clunker albums have some great songs. BR are so solid that a "bad" album from them means below par, not "bad" bad.
Finally someone who also loves The New America and hears how fucking awesome Greg sounds on it!!!!!!!
Please. It’s a tie between New America and No Substance for worst BR album. That’s not negotiable
Absolutely agree. Whisper In Time, Don't Sell Me Short, and the Hopeless Housewife are amongst my all time favorites. And A World Without Melody is one of BR's most interesting songs they've ever made in my opinion
I pretty much agree with everything here... If you are a new listener of BR this is a great guide... Only songs missed: Submission Complete, Dept. Of false hope, Lost Pilgrim, All there is, Sinister Rouge and in so many ways. I love these tracks!
Did anyone actually call the phone number on the No Substance cover?
You did listen to "in so many ways" on no substance, right? Cause that song being banged out on the fly is fucking amazing. I really wish you would have given it an honorable mention cause that song is amazing.
That's the only song I listen to from that album regularly. Great fucking tune
As a fan of Prog, those snippets of Into The Unknown... HUUUURT!
Other than that, good vids! I’m definitely gonna have to check some of these out!
I mean, Crash is also a prog fan. His favorite band is Rush, after all
It's funny, now that they are much older and more proficient as musicians and Brett as a producer I have this fantasy they ought to rerecord Into The Unknown as a Prog record *should* be recorded as opposed to the amateur job they did as youngsters.
Add that to the "stuff that will never happen" pile lol.
Would love one of these on the Descendents
Love atomic garden
Greg's solo version of cease = BANGER
What the hell is the context of that intro? I’m British so I never knew about Mr Rogers, but it seems like it was something to do with that.
Also, Recipe for Hate was my jumping-on point. I actually would recommend that, but not over Suffer or No Control.
It's literally just Bad Religion's singer singing the Mr. Rogers theme ("It's a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood"). Frankly it's funny enough that it exists at all.
7:49 that's all the great songs in Recipe For Hate? I don't get it lol, Portrair of Authority and Don't Pray On Me are imo one of the very best Bad Religion songs, and there's also Lookin In and Skyscrapper are also great
Definitely agree with you on No Substance. It's flawed album, undercooked and some lyrics sound like "reddit atheism" pre reddit, but it has lots and lots of bops and I appreciate it. Also I know that Generator and Recipe for Hate are fan favourites, but I'm not one of those fans, I think these albums are good, but that's about it, just good, not their best (with some great songs)
It was my first BR album oddly enough, maybe not the best but I still love it for what it did for me and what it is
I'm a diehard BR fan but somehow consider american jesus so insanely boring, how is it one of their most well known songs?
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Bad Religion’s “The New America” album is their “get us off of this label” album. Green Day’s “Father Of All” is also that.
I’m seeing them back to back this tour I’m stoked
As someone who was there when it came out. You can not overstate how good and ground breaking Suffer was. It changes things for an entire decade. Easily on the Mount Rushmore of punk rock records.
I'm a weirdo that actually likes The New America. I freely admit that this is probably largely due to nostalgia as it was my first album of theirs. It isn't my favorite, which would be The Process of Belief which also kicked my interest in the band definitely up several notches. However, TNA has a bunch of good songs on it, like A Streetkid named Desire, It's a Long Way to the Promised Land and Don't sell me short that do hold up. I was however until this video unfamiliar with the history of that album in the greater context of the band.
Not a fan, but ironically quite like 'I Love My Computer'.
"don't brush me off
just because I don't belong
like it or not I'm all you've got,
dispose when I'm shot
just don't sell me short,
I might not be who you thought" - also a great song!
Don't sell me short and lyrics like "you're talking to the stratosphere you're curled up on the floor. With such a wealth of information why are you so poor?" Shows that even New America has some darn good stuff on it. Thanks for doing this series it's quite entertaining
Oh good! I thought we'd have to wait another month for part two.
I love these videos, but I’m just wondering what your take is on jam bands like The Grateful Dead and Phish?
What a fun journey these videos have been, great job Crash!
One of the first songs i remember from bad religion is "new dark ages", i just remember me playing videogames listening to that song... ofc others too, but i have a special love for that song, in those times i didnt even know what album was it from. Now i realize i dont even like or remember a lot of new maps from hell, but still probably a lot of bangers haha
When he was mentioning all the standouts on Recipe For Hate and said that’s about it I was screaming Skyscraper at my computer
It's disappointing to hear how badly Rundgren behaved towards the band, as I love his music, but setting aside the pat "don't meet your idols" conclusion (and his having twenty-odd years to turn into a grumpy old man), it seems like *everything* about recording that album was a miserable slog. Like, at least when Martin Hannett was being an absolute madman when recording Joy Division-the way he got Stephen Morris' drumming to sound like that is honestly pretty twisted-everyone involved was really invested in the process and putting out something incredible.
American Jesus was the first song I heard from Bad Religion and it was a damn good introduction imo. Thank you for making this to help me get into this band that I've wanted to for literal years now lol
American Jesus is such an amazing and powerful song that you feel like you understand the band the first time you hear them an you're probably already hooked
Me too.
When you were talking about Into The Unknown, one of my favorite sayings came to mind:
"Interesting" is the word you say when you can't say "good". LOL
I respect your opinion crash
Recipe got me into BR. If it wasn't for American Jesus I wouldn't even know who they are.
Same, I vaguely remember American Jesus being the first of theirs I really noticed.
Age of Unreason to me smacked of The Empire Strikes First. In 2019 I KNEW Bad Religion was gonna create a record attacking Totalitarian Trump just like in 2004 I knew they were gonna come up with a record attacking Neocon Dubya. I don't mind, but both records were predictable.
And I enjoyed The New America BECAUSE it was unpredictable. Sucks that Rundgren didn't get along with the band during its production.
Listen to your brother's stranger than fiction cassette when you're 9, discover 'Slumber' and realize you have just been introduced to the greatest band of all time and still feel that way going on 30 years later. Worked for me. Funnily enough that is now one of the only songs I ever skip.
How you gonna talk about RFH and forget Skyscraper😤😤😤
For what it's worth, I love the cover of Age of Unreason. I thought it was goofy as hell until the visual metaphor clicked for me.
No Substance was actually the first album from BR I ever had a physical copy of, maybe not their best but I’ll still defend it as it got me into them. Like I love it too but I can see why it would be an ugly duckling, it’s my duckling though
Ah c'mon Crash, "All Good Soldiers" is one of the best tracks on Recipie for Hate! If you're gonna diss one of my favorite BR albums, at least do it properly!
I kid, I kid. But yeah, despite my love for the album, a part of me has to admit it's an acquired taste. That record in particular seems to be going for a slightly more grunge-leaning approach than their other albums, so it does sound just a bit different from their later fare.
My jumping-on point as How Could Hell Be Any Worse - I love old-school hardcore punk a la Minor Threat and this is actually a pretty innovative album in many ways. Like, the fact they got their label name - a label expressly formed for the release of that album and the self-titled EP - from a King Crimson song heavily foreshadows the diversity of Internet music culture. And this was in 1982, back when prog was considered one of those really dweeby things punks wouldn't be caught dead listening to (hell, John Lydon coming out about his love of Pink Floyd and Van der Graaf Generator didn't become common knowledge until around the time of the Sex Pistols reunion concerts, so as far as Americans pre-Internet were aware, he hated prog). Only New Wavers and New Wave converts like Talking Heads and Split Enz even acknowledged prog - and in the Heads' case, their prog influences were pretty minimal since they were taking cues from a thousand other genres and scenes.
Into the Unknown is just a slog to listen to. There are many, many, many better "dork age" albums than this one. I felt like I was listening to a really bad Styx/REO Speedwagon/Midwestern arena rock tribute act, but with Bad Religion lyrics. I know it laid the groundwork for Greg's gift of gab and the more technical side of Brett's guitar playing, but still...not good.
No Control is great. Against the Grain is a masterpiece. Suffer is okay. Recipe for Hate is a good crossover album, though I haven't regularly listened to it since freshman year of college.
Funny that you recommend your video on "Into the Unknown" for those who want to know your thoughts on the album, because you seem to feel a lot more negatively about it than you did in that video.
Hey, I'm the Jonny T from Twitter! Didn't have making it into one of your videos on my 2021 Bingo card, but I'll take it. Nice work!
Never forget... DA HIPPY KILLERS! *guitar slapping*
One of my favorite details that indirectly reference Bad Religion is that Ichigo Kurosaki's (yes, THAT Ichigo Kurosaki) canonical favorite/theme song is "News From the Front"
While I don't necessarily disagree with your placement of Recipe for Hate in the hierarchy, pretending Stealth is anything more than a silly 30 second "hidden track" or at all representative of that album is a bit disingenuous. Also Skyscraper is a top 10 song across their entire catalog. Still really enjoyed your commentary. Process of Belief was a very formative album for me and cemented me as a diehard fan. I think the biggest change I'd make to your tiers would be flipping Dissent of Man with Recipe for Hate.
Hey Crash, what do you think about the only live version of Into the Unknown? From what I've seen there is a bootleg of "It's only over when..." and "The Dichotomy". They become such different songs without the synths.
I agree with most of your placements, although I would swap The New America and No Substance.
I actually kind of love TNA; Whisper in Time, Let It Burn and Don't Sell Me Short are all personal favourites. No Substance, on the other hand, is easily the worst Bad Religion album, in my opinion. Outside of Shades of Truth and Hear It, it's either awful or completely forgettable.
Anyway, I really enjoyed both parts of this. Always great to see my favourite band get some love.
"Bret and Greg had been listening to a lot of the oldschool classic punk..." No Substance was the 2nd album Bad Religion wrote after Bret left the band. As far as I know, Bret had nothing to do with it.
whats hilarious is all the professional music critics thought into the unknown was actually good
I have forgotten that "No Substance" exists MULTIPLE times, and in spite of BR being my favorite band (and I have listened to it multiple times), I still can't say I have any feelings one way or the other for that album
No Substance is no doubt one of the lower tier BR albums but I think it has some great songs on it like Hear It, In So Many Ways, Shades of Truth and Strange Denial.
I totally disagree with you, everyone and the band themselves about The New America... Hahahahaha!! It is hands down one of my favourites, maybe I just have shit taste but I really love it, there are so many good songs on it, Streetkid, There Will Be a Way, Don't Sell Me Short, Believe It, Hopeless Housewife, Let It Burn... I get that it sticks out like a sore thumb in the discography because of a few factors, first of all a lot of the songs are a lot more personal than philosophical like you pointed out, and the Todd Rundgren production is so strange (but I find it kind of endearing). Greg's vocals are SO FREAKING good on it, you can really hear his anger, it's powerful and raw, even on a cheesy ass song like I Love My Computer. I used to hate the album too, at the time, but I think it's just because everyone hated it, including the band, so I just didn't really give it my full attention, but it's grown on me so much, and I like it more and more as time goes by. I think it's maybe in my sixth favourite? Process of Belief I think would have to be #1 for me, then Suffer, Grey Race, Stranger Than Fiction, Recipe for Hate and then The New America.
BR really don't have a bad album though. They have bad songs but none of their albums are overall bad. Even Into the Unknown hahahaha
Right there with you on The New America. 1000 Memories is EASILY the best breakup song ever. Was going through a breakup myself when the record came out and that song hit me like a freight train.
However, I'd argue that the one record of Bad Religion's discography that ISN'T good is The Dissent of Man. In particular, the last few songs on it. Where The Fun is, Turn Your Back on me, and I Won't Say Anything drag that record down hard. Even a straight banger such as Only Rain can't save it.
ua-cam.com/video/oInOXu6D0xA/v-deo.html This photo is so funny. Everybody trying to look punk rocky, only Greg Graffin looks like someone put LSD into the cup of beer that he is still holding in his hand. "Whoaa... and what if I wrote a spaced out synth album, maaaan?"
Was The Dissent of Man never even mentioned in this whole series? I might be kind of an odd duck, but I really love that one. It’s got some unusual tracks that do grow on you, but their sound is so full and developed on it, and when it’s on, they knock it out of the park on that album.
It was in Next Steps, along with most of the rest of the post-Atlantic era.
Ooooof... I actually kinda like some of the stuff I heard off of New America on shuffle, but learning about Rundgren being such a dick to a man who idolized and loved the fuck outta him... wow, that stings hard. That actually kinda makes me not wanna listen to it...
Poor Greg, man...
Or you could listen to it so Greg didn't suffer in vain... hahaha
ya know, i thought i was weird for not really being that into generator in high school, it just felt a bit off to me with every listen
Phenomenal retrospective, Crash!
Generator is like the Deep Space Nine of Bad Religion albums. It's like, one of the top 3 for every fan but I could understand a newcomer being completely lost. I always recommend Empire to metalheads and it's been a mostly successful way of getting them into the band. Helps if they're into Avenged Sevenfold.
"Only Entertainment" is one of my favorite BR songs lol
Recipe for Hate is my favorite though 😩
The version of heaven is falling with shouted backups is superior to generator's version
1. Christmas Songs is an amazing album, it sounds great with Brooks' drums... I know it was a little bit of a joke album, but still a good one... and the money were donated to some charity institution.... Besides, this is by no means the first time they play Christmas carols
2. I totally agre on The Process of Belief being their all-time best album, is just perfect.
3. I love The New America... I even bought a CD copy of it in 2023 (well into the Spotify era). I did´t do it just to complete my BR collection (I only have 7 albums in CD format), I did it because I genuinly enjoy this album.
No Substance is a pretty accurate title for the album
Gonna start saying "NONE OF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO KILL ME" whenever people get mad at me for having hot takes now lmao
I think Bad Relgion is a band where the problem effects me as this video essay has taken me over a year to get through. This is weird for me as I love long videos of yours but unlike RUSH which I took in as quickly as possible took me a year to listen through just because I kept losing interest in this band. I'm a knube but I'll stick to the greatest hits for this band
Hear it, God tier. Shades of Truth, God tier. Biggest Killer, God tier. Raise Your Voice, God tier. Sowing the Seeds, God tier. Voracious March, God tier. Mediocre Minds, God tier. Mercy of Imbeciles, God tier. That's a strange kind of "rough around the edges" my friend.
It’s clearly their 3rd worst record.
Damn, my own HTGI list would be waaay different (Generator stan here though yeah, Two Babies are a slog). I'd actually start with How Could Hell..., No Control, Generator and Empire (maybe Against the Grain as well) for newcomers just to show variation the band can exhibit - despite, let's be honest, being AC/DC of 80/90s punk bands. Then I'd go with Suffer and Gray Race, Process of Belief, Stranger Than Fiction and True North for next steps, with everything but No Substance and The New America in digging section. Those two albums are just unnecessary while Into The Unknown is waaaay too much of a leftfield album in their discog so I can't hate it, really. Great video as usual, Crash
I always found The New America more meh than bad.
Hot take: Into the unknown is actually a hidden gem.
You got me into Bad Religion. Not you, Crash, You as heard on THPS2 during my adolescence. I imagine a lot of people got into them through Sublime's BR cover on 40 oz to Freedom -- it certainly introduced a lot of people to Descendents anyway. Also Jawbreaker's Chasing the Wild Goose cover (live bootlegs are out there) totally justifies Into The Unknown's existence. Strip those cheesy keyboards away and those songs have some solid foundation.