Building the Best Surly Bridge Club Part 2: Shimano Cues 2x Drivetrain Upgrade

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  • @Kattbirb
    @Kattbirb 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm so glad the fad of "1x everything" is finally fading. Hopefully manufacturers take notice as well.
    Not trying to slight the 1x setup, it works well for jumps and technical terrain, but not every bike needs a 1x, and not every rider is served best with one.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  3 місяці тому +1

      I agree. We still sell a lot of 2x production bikes. There’s certainly a place for 2x.

  • @melastname6548
    @melastname6548 4 місяці тому

    this is a great video simply because it mimics what you're going to do in your garage. These bike repair/customize videos never show how many times bike shops order the wrong parts, or think somethings gonna work and it doesn't but it's edited out. There's a lot of trial and error even with people that do this for a living. thanks.

  • @hap1n355
    @hap1n355 9 місяців тому +3

    I bought a used Surly Troll with 3x9 which gives a wide range and I love it. Old school is still the best.

  • @ScottCopeland-yh9lm
    @ScottCopeland-yh9lm 5 місяців тому

    I love the New Albion 42/26 crankset. It seems to work well for me with a grx derailleur although I am running friction shifting. Love your channel. Enjoy your day my friend s.

  • @PathLessPedaledTV
    @PathLessPedaledTV 8 місяців тому +3

    Looking at the CUES FD looks like they offer "dual pull" so can be both bottom and top pull?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  8 місяців тому +4

      Yes, looks like the FD-U6000-L and FD-U4000-L are both Dual Pull FD. I actually looked at using for this project but it's clamp mount and requires cable stops which the Bridge Club doesn't have. Thanks for watching the video! I'm a big fan of your channel.

  • @hap1n355
    @hap1n355 9 місяців тому +4

    I wish people would only use bike gear inches. So much easier to understand just like the metric system.

  • @legostopmotionbybarrelprod3523
    @legostopmotionbybarrelprod3523 10 місяців тому +1

    Id put friction shifters on that thing, SLX drivetrain with 11-46 cassette and SRAM Apex 40/30 up front,(disengage the clutch!) Pretty much bombproof and ready for anything...

  • @White000Crow
    @White000Crow Місяць тому

    I’m going to run a triple front and it was tough finding the right front derailleur. A couple hours of searching I found a NOS XTR that would work.

  • @julienlelievre3137
    @julienlelievre3137 Рік тому +2

    Hi, your video arrive right on time regarding my BC build !
    I've had exactly the same thoughts regarding the gear ratio on the Surly stock bike. That's why I got a frame instead. The stock 1x11 doesn't make sense to me neither. I knew absolutely nothing about bike mechanics. So I've been thinking/reading about the parts for a very long time. The front derailleur was the last part I hadn't figured out yet, not finding the right model... It's all good now, the fd-u6000-d seems to be the perfect one (with the probel solvers), thanks ! :)
    About my specs, I went differently (2x11 and 11-42 cassette). Here they are :
    BB : XT BB-MT800
    CRANSKET : Shimano Deore FC-M5100-B2 (the 36T chainring is going to be replaced with a 40T shortly)
    CASSETTE : SRAM PG-1130 11-42
    CHAIN : Shimano 105 CN-HG601-11
    REAR DERAILLEUR : Shimano XT RD-M8000 (SGS)
    FRONT DERAILLEUR : Shimano cues fd-u6000-d (so thanks to you !)
    What I still have to do is to get a 40T chainring to replace the 36T at one point for my commuting setup (700c x 43mm). I'll keep the 36T with my 650 wheelset..
    This derailleur has a 47T capacity. That's why I chose it. With my setup it's 45T (42-11+40-26). So I guess I could even go with a 42T chainring as well (but I won't anyhow).
    About the gear ratio, it's very close :
    Gear range : 587%
    High : 3.63
    Low : 0.62
    (it would be 617% if I'd used a 42T chainring, going 42-26 like you).
    Cost for all listed parts above : 420 $ (CAD) so 310 $ (US) taxes and shipping included. I still got to get the 40T chainring though so add few 10s $..
    Real Frankenstein build but I like that. A great learning experience ! :)

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому +2

      Great setup! Glad we could help solve the front derailleur for you. I'd love some photos of your completed build. I may to a "readers ride" video at the end of this project.

  • @kylehyatt1214
    @kylehyatt1214 6 місяців тому +2

    Out of curiosity, why not go with an old-school friction front derailleur? It seems like it would simplify things and give you more options for parts.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  6 місяців тому

      I normally would. Most of my bikes are thumb shifters and friction front. But I wanted to try out the Cues trigger shifters. They actually work great.

  • @michaelhayward7572
    @michaelhayward7572 9 місяців тому

    On my gen 1 KM i run a 42-26 front crankset, zero issues with a downpull Sram X7 front derailleur, running Shimano 9 speed 11-34 cassette and chain with a friction MicroShift thumbie for the front and indexed thumbie for the rear Deore mech.
    Front changes that 16T step like a champ!

  • @spitt0110
    @spitt0110 5 місяців тому

    I'm looking to build up a Bridge Club from the parts bin. I have a 2x9 setup minus the crank I think I'm going to go small with 34/26

  • @stevemullin1195
    @stevemullin1195 Рік тому

    Seriously looking at doing this conversion...have the stock BC in XL and like the low gear for climbing on my loaded touring rig but would like more top end for the flats. I put on the jones h 2.5 bar and a Brooks b17. Also added clip on aerobars to give me a position to rest my hands and wrists for my carpal tunnel. Installed axiom rear rack and front pizza rack. Have axiom low riders if I need 4 panniers but trying to reduce my gear wt for touring the pacific coast bike route.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      Thanks for watching the video! We've just got the complete parts kits for this upgrade available on our website. I'm going to check out Axiom bags. I don't have much experience with them, but their prices seem good.

  • @tommacpherson36
    @tommacpherson36 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video. I'm thinking of doing a similar conversion. Would the SHIMANO CUES TOP SWING Front Derailleur (Clamp Band Mount) 2x11/10-speed (FD-U6010-L) work with this setup? Or is there an issue with using this clamp mount?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  11 місяців тому +2

      We originally planned on using the U6010-L, but the clamp mount does not position the derailleur properly. I also confirmed with Surly that the BC needs the direct mount adapter. If you figure out a way to make it work let me know me know.

  • @tonyjuliano1
    @tonyjuliano1 11 місяців тому

    I just did a very similar drivetrain swap on a 2023 TREK Dual Sport 3. Fortunately the 46/30 cranks were no issue on my frame, and the CUES crankset has an excellent built-in adjuster for proper chain line. I was considering using a similar Microshift Sword 2x setup, but the lack of flat bar shifters put the brakes on that. This is my second CUES drivetrain swap, the first was on my e-bike. Very pleased with the durability of the linkglide stuff, so I don’t care about the small weight penalty. BTW… the CUES front mech (top swing), is dual pull - will work with top or bottom pull cable routing.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  11 місяців тому +1

      I almost went with a Microshift Sword upgrade for this project. I was planning to use the Microshift thumb shifters. But, I'm happy with the Cues drivetrain so far.

    • @tonyjuliano1
      @tonyjuliano1 11 місяців тому

      @@ottawabikeandtrailI actually bought a pair of those thumb shifters, but didn’t like the ergonomics, so I went the CUES route. Microshift has a compatible right-side trigger shifter (their Advent-X stuff has the same pull ratio as Sword), but no left-side trigger shifter.

  • @nudz502
    @nudz502 23 дні тому

    Would 36/22 work with the top pull Deore derailleur? What would the gear range, high/low ratios be? Size XL bridge club. Really want top pull 2x with more high end than 1x and want good climbing too.

  • @MCal-j7p
    @MCal-j7p 2 місяці тому

    These are great videos. Thank you! I am building up a bridge club right now and planning some of these upgrades inc 2x. What is the part number for the deore FD you tried? And does it work with the rest of the Cues components as far as you know? Thanks again!

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  2 місяці тому +1

      The front derailleur is FD-U6000-D. It works with the cues shifters. We have a complete kit available or we can put together a parts kit for you if you need it.

    • @MCal-j7p
      @MCal-j7p 2 місяці тому

      @@ottawabikeandtrail Thanks for responding. I meant, in fact, the part number of the top pull Deore FD which you started with but then rejected. I can't see a a top pull direct mount FD in the Cues range

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  2 місяці тому

      FD-M618. I’m pretty sure it will work with Cues, but I haven’t tried it myself.

  • @Hemlck
    @Hemlck Рік тому

    Really nice video. Frankly, myself, I hate trying to make things work in a way they weren’t really designed. I would have gone for a full xt 1x 12 speed with xt shifters. Simple and efficient and strong.👍

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому +1

      The 1x12 XT option is certainly a good choice and we LOVE the XT drivetrain. But, we haven't come up with a way to solve the range issue with a 1x.

  • @mattjackson4394
    @mattjackson4394 8 місяців тому

    I just finished my BC build this weekend, mostly from parts I had on hand. I am really looking to switch it to a 2x with the same crank. what spindle length did you end up using with that New Albian crank? I've been loving your videos on this build.

  • @pizzaandbikes
    @pizzaandbikes 6 місяців тому

    How does that front pull deraillure play with a water bottle?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  5 місяців тому

      The derailleur hanger doesn’t interfere with the bottle cage. Good question though.

  • @toxicblackwidow9841
    @toxicblackwidow9841 7 місяців тому +2

    46 on that kinf of bike is overkill...

  • @jollyandwaylo
    @jollyandwaylo 10 місяців тому

    It appears that Cues FC-U4010 crankset (26,40) is available online now. I wonder if that would work.

  • @jerrybuffington6473
    @jerrybuffington6473 8 місяців тому

    My wife has this exact Bridge Club in moss green. She just broke her rear derailleur from a branch that got kicked up. She wants to keep it 1x but I'm considering upgrading her to 12sp. Do you happen to know if that Novatec hub is convertible to Microspline? I tried doing some internet searching but it isn't the easiest thing to figure out. Thanks!

  • @stevenpalmer5296
    @stevenpalmer5296 6 місяців тому

    Is there a fitment reason you didn't go with a larger Cues Cassette like the CS-LG400-11 11/45?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  6 місяців тому

      I’m pretty sure I maxed out the derailleur chain capacity with the 39 tooth cassette and the 42/24 combo up front.

  • @stevemullin1195
    @stevemullin1195 Рік тому

    Would like to know what specific tools you used for this conversion...I've taken a bike mechanics course but haven't bought a tool set yet from Park Tools.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      Maybe we'll do video on this. The main tool other than hex wrenches is the Bottom Bracket Removal tools.

  • @Pachoslavus
    @Pachoslavus Рік тому

    Hello,I love your video.
    I had built my BC (illegal green) on shimano XT drivetrain one by. Front 38, rear 46. XTR bottom bracket and Ultegra 160 rotors with Saints brakes.
    I do believe it is the best :)

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      Love XT, XTR, and Saint but out of budget for this project. Lol.

    • @Pachoslavus
      @Pachoslavus Рік тому

      @@ottawabikeandtrailunderstandable, I try to keep this my only bike. Any bike that is loved is the best though.
      Have a nice day :)

  • @nahguacm
    @nahguacm 9 місяців тому

    For the new model bridge club that comes stock with cues, would you need to replace the rear derailleur/shifter if changing to 2x or would the stock work with a smaller CUES casette and a front derailleur?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  9 місяців тому +1

      Yes, you would want to replace the rear derailleur with a 2x specific one (RD-U6020) vs the (RD-U6000) that comes on the bike. The shifters will work, but of course you'll need a front shifter.

  • @outtatrex
    @outtatrex Рік тому

    That square tapered bottom-bracket is fine, but how did you know what width of bottom bracket to buy? (as far as I know, they come in different sizes, like 110, 113, 121 ) Also, the Bridge Club has a 73mm bottom bracket. so does a standard Shimano BB fit in that ? Thanks for the video and going through all that trouble.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому +3

      We had to try out a few different spindle lengths to get the right chainline. With the stock rear wheel we found the 118 mm spindle worked best. So, we used the Shimano BB-UN300 73mm BB with 118 mm spindle. We are stocking them if you need one.

  • @obfuscurity
    @obfuscurity Рік тому

    Any recommendations on a groupset that would accommodate a 10-tooth small sprocket (ideally something like a 10-48t or even 10-51t)? Would be great to just swap in a different 11-speed cassette, but I haven’t been able to find anything in that range that’s compatible.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      Not many options for a 10-tooth small sprocket, at least that I'm experienced with.

  • @mattpalmerchuck
    @mattpalmerchuck 11 місяців тому

    I'm looking to build my own BC right now and I've just started my research phase. I am looking to keep a 1X setup but I do want to have a 38T or 40T chain ring. Per the Surly website, it says that I need to use a Boost crankset. Have your done any experimenting with larger 1X chain rings? Is having to use a boost crankset true?

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  11 місяців тому

      I have not tried a larger chainring on a Bridge Club. But, I'm sure that a boost crankset would be required in order to get the proper clearance if you are going to go beyond 34-tooth chainring.

  • @marshallinnes3727
    @marshallinnes3727 Рік тому +1

    Well you didn't say anything about what cues gearing you used 9, 10 or 11 speed. Or rear wheel spacing 135, 142 or boost

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      I should have mentioned that! Stock rear spacing 142 and 10-speed. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • @soundbites1152
    @soundbites1152 5 місяців тому

    IMHO 1x drivetrains are for gravity bikes or plus bikes where you can't fit a front derailleur. Or, you don't care about top end or low end and are happy with a limited gear range. I am not happy with fewer choices.
    I run a 2x MicroShift Advent drivetrain on 2 different bikes. 28/44 in the front with 11-42 in the rear on my 650b x 47 adventure bike and 28/38 on my 29 x 1.95 adventure bike with the same 11-42 cassette in the rear. I have 685mm Haro Pivit riser bars on both bikes. So, standard MTB components work for me. 600% gear range on the 650b bike. I may put a 26T chainring on the 29er. But, it's super easy to pedal up hills and go fast enough on the flats with either bike. The 29er is more off-road specific with Kenda Straight 8 tires. The other bike is more versatile with smoother rolling American Classic Kimberlite tires. Either way, modern wide-range 2x drivetrains are great. EDIT: 1x drivetrain chainline is also only good in the middle of the cassette.
    Good job on the video! I considered a Bridge Club a few times, but went with a different brand both times.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  5 місяців тому

      I have a few 1x bikes. But I’m with you. I love the wider range that a 2x provides.

  • @the_nondrive_side
    @the_nondrive_side Рік тому +3

    so you needed to go triple... and ditch the rear gearing back to 9 speed or 8 using 9 speed chain and mech. my 22,32,42 to 11-32 on my 29er is covering everything..

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому +3

      Thanks for watching! I agree. I think the triple is completely underrated, especially for touring bikes.

    • @jollyandwaylo
      @jollyandwaylo 10 місяців тому +1

      A double works with an 26, 40 chainset and 11, 42 cassette. According to gear inches, you get more low and high than the triple. I have that triple on my 90's mtn bike though on 26 inch tires.

    • @the_nondrive_side
      @the_nondrive_side 10 місяців тому

      @jollyandwaylo sure that sounds viable. I think I calculated 26-42 being best for a compact double for me. Triples exist already no mods required

    • @White000Crow
      @White000Crow Місяць тому +1

      That’s about the setup I’m going with. I had most of the parts from an old bike except the crank. I believe I’m using 22,32,40 and 11-42 9 speed.

  • @greghunt6183
    @greghunt6183 Рік тому

    gawd I wish you weren't so far away.

  • @davidburgess741
    @davidburgess741 Рік тому

    A 24-44 SamCX crankset with 13-36 on my Cannondale Topstone gets it done! Both the BridgeClub and Topstone are unsuited for fast group rides. A touring bike's role is to carry a heavy load uphill. Downhill, brakes can do only so much. Another bike would be best here.

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому

      Thanks David! I agree with the “fast” group ride comment. We like our group rides at Party Pace.

  • @kennyness8881
    @kennyness8881 Рік тому +2

    While I appreciate what you are trying to do, IMO a much more elegant, inexpensive, and simple, way to accomplish the same thing would have been to simply mount a 2x crank (like a 36/26) with an aftermarket narrow/wide big ring, and leaving the stock small ring as a ghost ring that could be manually dropped down to on the rare occasions you need the really low gearing (so 1x with no front derailleur, but the option of manually moving the chain down).

    • @ottawabikeandtrail
      @ottawabikeandtrail  Рік тому +2

      That would be a great approach! We have a lot of rolling hills here which might be a problem but I love the idea.

    • @dant.6364
      @dant.6364 7 місяців тому

      I bet money that you don’t live in the Pittsburgh area.

    • @kennyness8881
      @kennyness8881 7 місяців тому

      @@dant.6364 Correct. I live (and ride my bikes) in NW Arkansas-where the hills are no joke, and just keep coming.

    • @phililpb
      @phililpb 6 місяців тому

      @@kennyness8881 a gear that you have to get off the bike and move the chain to use? did we just go back 100 years. there is nothing elegant about that

    • @kennyness8881
      @kennyness8881 6 місяців тому

      @@phililpb We do not agree. My solution gives me simplicity of 1x, many useable gears, straighter chain lines, and the option and confidence (on very rare occasions) to go to some really low gears--without the clunky front derailleur, cables, etc. You do you, but my 2x option is a good solution for situations where very wide gear ranges are needed.

  • @shanemcman3665
    @shanemcman3665 Рік тому +1

    Bru, you went full Frankenstein. Why not get a nice wolf tooth 1x in 34 and just call it? You really need granny gear with that rear cassette?

  • @fatrobdouble
    @fatrobdouble 4 місяці тому

    Do you really think the "best" Bridge Club is going to run on CUES? lmao