How to Become a Trauma & Orthopedic Surgeon in the UK | Training Pathways & Competition Ratio
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Has your dream always been to enter trauma and orthopedics surgical training in the UK? Do you want to know the pathways and better understand what to consider along the journey to ensure you can make your dream a reality?
Join Dr. Ibrahim in his discussion of the surgical pathway for a T&O aspirant, where he covers the routes of entering training, competition, pay, alternative pathways, and more.
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Thank you so much Brother. Been waiting for this for a long time now 🙌🏼🙌🏼
You're welcome!
What an incredible and so helpful video. I am a medical student from Brazil interested in training and working in the UK and you channel is definitely helping me achieve that.
I wonder if you could do a Vascular Surgery training pathway video in the future as well?
Sure!
This the best channel out there ❤️❤️
Sir could you'll please do more of interview series with img consultants would be a great motivation for us.
Sure :)
I appreciate the level and depth of this presentation for T&O, Ibrahim! Could you make a follow-on specialty pathway presentation for GP training?
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Great content...pls do make a video regarding cardiology..thanks for providing so much information over the years
It's already been made! Check our channel.
Big thanks for this detailed information
You're welcome 😁
Wow 🙌 thank you very much Dr Ibrahim for doing this very detailed video after you promised over a month ago. My daughter will definitely benefit a lot when she gets to listening to this. She calls me her research assistant 🤦
Glad it was helpful!
thank a lot. really very helpful
You are welcome!
Thank you sir for such an incredible and informative video on orthopedic speciality. I am about to complete my MS ORTHOPEDICS degree from india and i am very keen on settling in the UK. Please tell what path should i be taking in order to become Orthopedic surgeon in the UK.
Thank you doctor, wonderful video. I have a question, when applying for CST, is there any CST post specific for T&O I should apply to or I can apply for CST in general?
Thankyou so much guys! been following you channel from early days when you guys began! very informative and helpful indeed. Can you guys make a video about IMG's who have done their house job and 4 year training GCC and now if they want to come to UK? specifically for ER. Thankyou.
You're welcome! What is GCC?
@@RoadToUK oh my bad. Gulf countries. In my case i was asking about 4 year training done in qatar specifically.
Is surgical rotations during internship in the home country (India) counted as a criteria for over qualification? For example if I have about 5 months of surgical rotation and I work for about a year in a non training job either in India/UK before applying for CST, would I be overqualified for CST? Thank you for these amazing, informative videos...
Very informative!Sir kindly make a same video for neurosurgery
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thanks for sharing! please do one for obgyn
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Asalamwalaikum Dr. Ibrahim. Thank you for this informative video. I want to know that after passing phase 2, if any trainee quiet the speciality training, would they provide any certificate? If yes. Then is this certificate equivalent to MD/MD degree in other country.
Thank you, sir! Would make a video about the radiology pathway?
Sure!
Hi there , thanks for the great informations but it is still kinda fogy for me as am non uk graduated and i have accumulated more than a four years of experience as orthopedic and one year as ER and still didn't regester yet and going through the plab process, the accumulated experience you mentioned before the regesteration or after the GMC regesteration?also which route is suitable for such a case ? and what are the best way to get accepted as an ortho?
Thank you so much for the great presentation,
I have a question. I have graduated from medical school in Saudi Arabia and got the GMC registration this year through PLAB pathway. Since i have been graduated, i have been working as a home officer or non training job in Saudi Arabia in general Surgeon field which is 4 years.
My question is, I don’t think that I can able to join the core training as I am overqualified as per the information you provided. What is the route for me. I understand that there is alternative core competency, as I am starting to prepare my self to apply . And is there any chance for me to join the Ortho abs Trauma ?
Thank you so much..
@Road to UK
I have 3 years Post MS(Ortho) academic experience & 3 years as junior registrar . Total 3+3 = 6 years academic experience in India.
Is it wise to appear for MRCS and again join ST3?
Or as per new guidelines apply for FRCS T&O via JSCFE & collect CESR for equivalence of CCT.
I plan to be qualified as a consultant in the UK .
Nice video Dr! If CST is this competitive, is the Run-through T&O ST1 more competitive than this? Like how difficult is it to get into the run-through Training? Does it depend on the portfolio?
Jgjcohooq
The videos you make are really helpful for medicos aspiring to work in UK as a doctor
Sir can you please make a video on WAST programme
Sure!
Thank you very much brother for your helpful channel and the amount of information we get .i have question: for ST3 application , how can i be qualified or over qualified ? I mean is there in surgical experience or age of applicant restrictions ???
It's overqualification in terms of surgical experience.
Bro if orthopedics training period is more than 18 months and with Full MRCS can i apply Directly for ST3 or some kind of procedure is needed before ??
Its wonderful guidance video,thanks for your time.
Please guide if overqualified,how to get ALTERNATIVE CORE COMPETENCY certificate????
Please see: ua-cam.com/video/Lr-ufHzD6WI/v-deo.html
Sir pls make a video for cardiothoracic surgery after mbbs from other countries
I am only 15 but I’ve became very interested in surgery and I have looked at nursing and being a “doctor” but I have really found interest in being a surgeon more specifically anything to do with the cardiology and orthopaedic surgery
Great! Good luck!
HI, I have completed my MS orthopaedics, now would like to get specialist gmc registration for further practice in UK.
Please guide!
When can one say if he or she is overqualified for joining CST after obtaining full GMC registration and has already cleared MRCS for an IMG in general surgery
Hey! You are doing amazing work. I have a bit of a situation at hand atm; I am on a Tier 2 visa working with a Bristol based Tech company, whilst my wife is an MS ENT doing her SRship with the same hospital. We are confused what pathway to choose, 1.MRCS -> GMC-> Applying directly for NHS registrar jobs (or SHO? Is it possible to get registrarship directly?)
2. Mch in Otorhinolaryngology at Edge hill and completing MRCS (I am hoping for her to atleast get the Part A done before the course starts) concurrently.
Also, can the process of reaching the ST-7/8 (Consultant) be expedited? Or mandatory 5-6 Years of surgical medical training needs to be done before writing the FRCS exam?
Thanks a ton for all the information 😊
Completing MRCS would be more sensible and then once registration is obtained, look for a job. As for training, this may help in getting a better understanding: sfo.entuk.org/training-structure
The one thing I don’t understand, if I am overqualified to apply for core surgical training because I have been working as a surgeon outside of UK for two years, I should fill alternative certificate of surgical competency. But when I come to Uk do I have to do a CREST form or I can just start non training job and prepare for MRCS and then apply directly after MRCS for St 3 surgery training ?
You can aim for ST3 and complete MRCS.
Very helpful and informative. I have a masters in trauma and orthopaedics from an African country which took me 3 years and over a year of work experience. I am interested in training and working in the UK. I dont mind doing the specialised training again. Your advice would be greatly appreciated
Start with getting GMC registration: ua-cam.com/video/z4UghNcKl4U/v-deo.html
@@RoadToUK thanks for the reply!!
why there is no orthopedic CT1 for 2020, 2021?
Hello. Sir kindly make a detailed video on urology as well.
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Can you please make a video about cardiothoracic surgery pathway???
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Hi Ibrahim & ibreez I have a special request for you ☺️🙏🏻🙏🏻
Can you make a video about the satisfaction and happiness level of trainees in England?? As an international graduate I know many residents in America who were victims of suicide and burnout and this was one of the reasons that scared me to train there! I would love if you give us an insight on resident wellness and support during training in England.
Many thanks 💐💐
In the United States of America, an estimated 300 to 400 doctors die by suicide each year, a rate of 28 to 40 per 100,000 or more than double that of general population. 🤔🤔🤔
Hi, we can look into the GMC junior doctor survey and try and share information about support and well being!
Im an immigrant orthopaedician…..after mrcs i wanna b gmc registered specialist …….can i get a training program at st3 level? Or cesr is only route?
Hi...may i know what are all the things we need to do to increase our portfolio before coming to UK like log books, audit. Can u give an idea about that
Please see: ua-cam.com/play/PLXt2ODIQqEoi5oVFeMxFSSSl8-9OrGlgh.html
Can i go through MRCS degree for orthopedic surgeon?
Hello, I have a question regarding "max 1.5 years surgical experience for core surgical training".
Does it count 6 year rotation (internship year for MD)?
Do you mean if you have surgical experience as an intern? That doesn't count.
Hii
It's very useful series.
It you don't mine can you give just little bit of idea on private work as uk has NHS and I assume that most people would prefer it so why can one prefer private work is it due long waiting or great service provided by private hospitals?
Private work is something you'd need to seek on your own. In the UK, just because you work in a private hospital does not always mean that there is no wait time or that the care would be better versus the NHS.
Asalamu alykum doctor, i have a quick question about 18 months of surgical doctor, does that include the internship years aswell, or do the 18 months begin after gmc registration? Jazak Allah kheyr
Walaikum assalaam. All experience post internship.
Hey Ibrahim, I heard that the RLMT has been scrapped all together by the new Uk immigration laws. Does this mean Imgs can sit in first round even if the doctor jobs are moved away from the shortage list in the future? Non information is available regarding the cancellation of RLMT in total.
RLMT was removed about two years ago, but shortage occupancy list was put into place later. If or when either may be restored has not been clearly stated. It's best to take the opportunity while it is there.
Please do cover general surgery for an img in UK 🇬🇧
It's already been made! Check our channel.
Please tell something more about how to get into CST ? And difference between CST and IST. It is still not clear, Sir
Please see: ua-cam.com/video/SXA5u-Tm60w/v-deo.html
Please make a video on cardio thoracic surgery
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first of all, thanks to you for this nice informative video, been waiting for this topic, my Concern is,
i work in a private hospital which deals with trauma and orthopaedics, but as you know here in Bangladesh It's mostly indoor management and emergency patients care, the surgical experience or exposure is not that much in a private hospital, i have been working here for 1.5 years, so my question is, Can i reduce or not mention my working experience of here whenever i will apply for CST, if i feel like i am becoming overqualified.... is there any hard and fast rules?
and if they consider me overqualified what are the options to progress into further training Programme.?
could you please tell more about Alternative core competency pathway and how difficult it is?
thanks in advance 💝
You can apply at an ST3 level.
@@RoadToUK thank you.
hi,
I want to choose to be an orthopedic surgeon by studying or masters program, not by giving exams or such, it been 3 years since I graduated from mbbs. And I need proper studies to prepare for ortho surgery. What should I do? thank you
There is no way around what's been mentioned in the video
I have a query not related to plab but after clearing plab 2.Can seniors be generous enough to help. I passed MD physician from Russia in 2013 July.Started internship in 7 September 2015.Will this gap be problematic for getting GMC registration. I was preparing for fmge exam and finally managed to clear it in July 2015
How to explain this gap to GMC
Will gaps in clinical practice after internship be problematic
Please see: ua-cam.com/video/TvQZXVrmjYo/v-deo.html
I am seeing ad on “MD/MS IN UK after MBBS from India without PLAB
Is there such Masters program available…..?
Plz reply.
An academic degree can be obtained without PLAB, but it would not get you GMC registration. Without GMC registration, you cannot work as a doctor in the UK.
Great video! I am Final Year MBBS student in India. I wish to pursue orthopaedics as speciality in UK. So should I choose PLAB route or complete my MS Ortho in India and than MRCS? And what is the process for joining ST training in UK after I complete my MS Ortho in India ?
Same here.
It's up to you- how soon do you want to be in the UK?
Sir,what's the route for who has already completed Orthopaedics specialisation from recognized college from India?kindly shed some light
This is discussed in the video.
Can you guide regarding
SCE vs CCT
Does SCE allow img doctors to work in the uk ??
No, it would not give you GMC registration.
Nice information doctor
I have completed my PG degree in orthopaedic in India ( DNB)
What's my road to UK
Please give me suggestions
You'll first need to get GMC registration.
Please do hepato-pancreato-biliary surgery too.
It's been covered in our surgical video!
Please make a video like this on anesthesia..
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What percentage of students get GMC registration after passing Plab2?
Does all the candidates
Who have passed plab 2
Get GMC registration?
There is no such data. Your obtaining GMC registration after clearing PLAB is more on what GMC may ask of you to provide in the process of registration than simply just pass the exam.
Hi i have a doubt. I completed my MBBS in 2017 end (with internship) and for two years(2018-2020) I worked as a junior doctor in a Mission Hospital in rural India as I signed a service agreement with my college and dropped 1.5 year for preparation for postgradution. In sept 2021 , I joined back as junior doctor in multispeciality hospital. Now if I clear both the two steps of Plab, where do I fit in? FY2? or SHO/Junior clinical fellow (as I have 2years +3 months experience after Mbbs+internship). Please reply.
Better opt MRCP or MRCS
@@babybegum9684 yes.. Writing mrcs
Best bet would likely be to start at an ST1 grade.
That's not bad for competition.
In India , there are less than 1000 speciality seats total and only the top 0.1 percentage of people get the seat.
This seems easier.
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If I have done MS ortho in india and we do mrcs then can we get alternative core completency from india or we have to get it from Uk only ?
Alternative core competency must be signed by a GMC registered doctor.
@@RoadToUK can you plz tel me after doing mrcs how can one get a non training job and will that be in orthopedics?
What if a person is overqualified? Like has 3 years of surgical experience ?
This scenario has been described in the video.
@@RoadToUK thanks. Yes , now I had a possibility to watch it attentively, and get full information.
The video is great.
opthalmology or anesthesia next please
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Hey doc just wanna while applying for ielts they are asking the reason for giving ielts ukvi academic- for further education or registration as a doctor
What to choose btw them
It doesn't matter. Also, you don't need to take IELTS for UKVI. Academic is enough.
@@RoadToUK Thankyou for valuable response but it is written everywhere and even in your past videos i have heard about ukvi academic being the only ielts to take for plab gmc reg and to apply for visa purposes
@@thecuriousdoc6247 It changed some time ago. Academic will work now.
@@RoadToUK thankyou i was about to book ukvi academic , now gonna take up the academic version only
How to become a Urologist in the UK???
We will have a video out soon to cover this.
Can you do Radiology please
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Hello sir, after getting my tier 2 visa, can i bring my wife in UK ? What is procedure for tier 2 dependant visa ? Can you please help me with that ?
We've discussed it here: ua-cam.com/video/-yBCeUtL-es/v-deo.html
@@rubythameem3991 what
@@RoadToUK okay sir, thanks 🙏
What about neurosurgery... Why don't you make video about it
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How to become neurosurgeon in uk..?
We will make a video on that soon!
Make pediatric also
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Hello sir if we complete postgraduate in orthopaedics in India then how can we enter into orthopaedics in uk
By first getting GMC registration.
Please make a video about obgyn!!
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How bad is the racism in uk nhs especially in surgical fields
Correspondence course on surgery ... that would be about right in the UK
Basically they don't want international post graduates , it's biased towards their citizens.
They should had alternative for post graduates of other countries.
Nope, removal of RLMT has allowed for an equal application field.