Hey I think The problem with soilder boy power scale is how inconsistent the writers are with powers in these later season like the straw incident. Soilder boy Blast goes from can blast through a bunker then destroy half a city block to blowing up a cabin to then destroying half a Forrest and a manchine; to then destroying half of vaut tower. To oh it just blew out half the windows. Also his strength in the homelander and season finale fights go up and down. Against homelander he magically starts losing when he clearly was winning for butcher and huggie to help him that’s the only reason he started losing. Then in the finale he starts decking people who where able to hold down homelander and over power everyone even after starlight gets powered up. Where is this coming from why didn’t you use this in the first fight with homelander. Honestly it’s something I’ve noticed the writers sometimes go for the moment and plot and don’t stick with continuity. It’s just a noticeable issue
@@tterminatormc4705 I don't think Soldier boy's explosions varying in intensity is that inconsistent. Could easily be chalked up to him just having different results when resisting... and in real life when two comparably skilled fighters go at it, anything can happen at any moment. Either one could be put to sleep in seconds. Or the fight could last 10 minutes with no clear winner. I don't see how it is far fetched that superhumans would sometimes struggle for dominance and other times find the appropriate moment/motivation or leverage to manhandle eachother.
Soldier boy is on a whole other level of Supes given the experiments and augmentation by the Russians Him Being Able To De-power Supes At Will makes him a Massive Threat
Well, homelanders face had took take both of them punches (butchers and soldier boys) while soldier boys only homelanders, so soldier boy didn’t take the same amount of damage to have a bruise
There is a argument that Soldier Boy while doesnt have flight or the ability to shoot beams out of his eyes like Homelander but is potentially more durable than Homelander & since he doesnt seem to age he would likely outlive Homelander if not killed
@@nicholassiple7838 if homelander is stronger ( which he is by a good amount) then by default he’s more durable, him no selling the nuclear plant explosion is much more impressive than anything soldier boy did
You might laugh, but I consider Soldier Boy to be close to MCU Phase 1 Thor’s level of strength and durability. Soldier Boy’s durability is to the point where it’s implied that the only thing possible to kill him would be a hydrogen bomb, which reaches 100 million degrees Celsius. The greatest feat of strength we ever see in the show is A-Train pulling that locomotive. He was pulling the engine (front of the train) and three empty passenger train cars behind it. That tonnage is anywhere between 200-300 tonnes easily. And if we assume Soldier Boy is, let’s say 3x stronger than A-Train, then that’s an upwards strength limit of 850-1000 tonnes. The math might not be 100% accurate but still, Soldier Boy is an absolute UNIT. It’s just a shame because he basically has no showcased feats to back this up. It’s all implied and vaguely referenced. But if it’s true, then he could throw hands with the likes of Phase 1 Thor or even the Hulk. Which DOES sound like a serious stretch, but we shouldn’t underestimate Soldier Boy’s reputation. People make the mistake of assuming that just because The Boys is a parody of Marvel and DC heroes, and is satirical, its characters are weak. But we see a lot of characters showcasing pretty crazy power levels, Soldier Boy especially. Edit: Technically, I’m mistaken. I googled it. Lifting strength and pulling strength are different if wheels are involved. A-Train pulled that locomotive, but it was on a track and had wheels. The same way everyone can push a 2 tonne car (because wheels) but take the wheels away, and you’re not pushing that car an inch. Doesn’t matter if you’re built like Arnold Schwarzenegger, it won’t budge. So, Soldier Boy is still CRAZY strong, but I’ve probably exaggerated his potential feats of strength a bit.
The straw should have broke It's like the Hulk hitting you with a car. The car is going to break. The car doesn't magically get durable just because the hulk's using it.
I definitely remember that but that's still weird for homelander to be this super threat to have such a easily exploitable weakness that they haven't thought of using all these seasons. It makes the characters in the show look kind of dumb. After killing translucent why didn't nobody think of "oh we should do this for homelander?" It's moments like this that make me think there's implications he's durable on the inside. Just like his father. Will they explain this in the new season? Probably not lol It's more likely going to be one of those unexplained things that they never bring back up..
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable There's a pretty obvious reason no one has tried it before, they lack the capability. Look at the damage Maeve took to plant that straw, she had to go all out against a Homelander actively trying not to hurt her. No one else could have come close enough to stab him in the ear hole, and shooting someone in the ear hole isn't exactly easy, nor is holding him down and jamming an explosive in his ass. It just wasn't possible, even Maeve couldn't have pulled it off if he wasn't trying to preserve her for breeding purposes.
Not to mention you can kind of tell how strong a character is by the way how homelander reacts to them. Notice how homelander actually has respect for the power level of somebody like Soldier boy.. homelander actually gets nervous. But notice every time Victoria Newman(The notorious head popper) AKA The blood Bender of the show somebody that can kill you from the inside of your body out. Notice how homelander doesn't see her as a threat at all (sure this could be cockiness). But this could be the writer's way of showing you that she's not a threat to him.
Soldier boy with his nuke is the strongest supe. He was clearly weakened in the first clash. In the second fight he took on everyone including homelander.
Only thing I can think of is that the straw is made out of an alloy that Homelander isnt immune to. Something that no one would consider being weaponizable. They could explain it away like "oh this very specific alloy content can bypass his invulnerability". Give him his own earthly version of Kryptonite. Thats my theory anyways.
I kind of mentioned a similar theory in the video. Mine was more leaning towards if the writers want to give homelander an actual weakness like his insides being not as durable as is outsides. That's a little weird still considering that Soldier Boy's insides are durable too lol
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable No, soldier boy was made for War and so they prioritize durability and strength. It's also the reason why older generations of supes don't age and new gen supes age. The original compound V didn't have limits and now the new compund V doesn't stop aging like the old one- mainly to serve as a contingency plan for evil supes like Homelander. That's why Vaught got rid of Soldier boy because he's the only one who tried the original compound V and they didn't have any way to control him. The Russians had to do a lot of research to find novachoke to stop him. also, homeland destroyed maeves eyes even though they are invincible but their insides are still human so it makes sense why they get hurt on the insides. Soldier boy is the only one with internal durability due to taking the original compound V and evolution caused by russian experiments on him.
or maybe its because he got hit in one of the most fragile parts of the body by another very strong supe and that was just barely enough to damage him. hes gotten bruised in a fight before so clearly he can be damaged by just being hit hard enough. all of that force being concentrated onto his eardrum should definitely do some damage.
@@9_1.1 Extremely possible but that's already been speculated before. Didn't feel like repeating a well known and espoused theory. Besides the concept of super beings of that level having a weakness is a pretty common trope and it's not like The Boys can subvert every trope regarding superheroes.
Homelander’s skin and bones super durable but his insides can be more easily damaged. He was stabbed in his ear. The eardrum was was injured but he quickly healed.
I really hope they do a solider boy spin off even a ww2 or Korean War movie when he fights some other supers and proving his top dog status because from the way he approaches the fight it’s like he’s done this before against some of German supers. Also I think The problem with soilder boy power scale is how inconsistent the writers are with powers in these later season like the straw incident. Soilder boy Blast goes from can blast through a bunker then destroy half a city block to blowing up a cabin to then destroying half a Forrest and a manchine; to then destroying half of vaut tower. To oh it just blew out half the windows. Also his strength in the homelander and season finale fights go up and down. Against homelander he magically starts losing when he clearly was winning for butcher and huggie to help him that’s the only reason he started losing. Then in the finale he starts decking people who where able to hold down homelander and over power everyone even after starlight gets powered up. Where is this coming from why didn’t you use this in the first fight with homelander. Honestly it’s something I’ve noticed the writers sometimes go for the moment and plot and don’t stick with continuity. It’s just a noticeable issue
@@KingAshtray20 seconds? Bro watched the girls. SB and HL were throwing hands offscreen too and yeah what he did to the boys in the finale shows how strong he is imao. He almost beheaded butcher (don't forget butcher was wiping the floor with HL) then he took butcher's beam point blank in the face directly (which beam also clashed with homelanders for a good struggling time) he took his grandsons beam and stood up without any wounds. And you can't debate the fact that HOMELANDER himself said "you are the only one nearly as strong as me" so he might not be stronger but he was maid to be the homelander 1.0 so cant blame him (source: a video of jensen ackles as soldier boy)
Remember when homelander got a bruise or stabbed in the year, soldier boy was there both times, soldier boys ability literally weakens supes to the point of being vulnerable to incoming damage, soldier boy was standing right behind homelander when homelander was tending ryan and he was powering up to blast, it be the same as superman being within proximity of kryptonite. Soldier has radiation pulsing from him, just being within close range is enough to slightly weaken anything with compound v in it. The blast itself kills all the compound v, being within proximity just messes with it enough to make you vulnerable.
Keep in mind after his fight with Homelander he didnt have any cuts or bruises. While Homelander clearly had bruises. You can also say he was slightly weaker after using his atomic blast. Since he seems tired after each use.
The russians said that he was invunerable to physical harm, the Soviets had literal miles of land to test nukws on him and they apparently couldn't even hurt him. And it makes sense cause chenicals are his weakeness so its smog would just knock him out
I agree that the straw thing doesn’t really make sense, but I think that was more related to Maeve’s strength than the straw or Homelander’s durability. I think it was meant to be a Maeve feat, not a Homelander anti-feat. And Homelander’s durability may not extend to his insides, at least to the level of Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy’s durability seems to be uniquely on its own level.
Let's imagine that straw or rod was made of a really strong metal alloy. And the pointy tip adds to the piercing ability significantly when combined with Maeve's strength who is comparable to Wonder Woman. Shoved into HL ear drum and with his inside being less durable the SB. Makes complete sense.
About Soldier Boy and Homelander powers, their cell properties would be different. The cells should have some fixed properties: They should produce more cells only when those cells are somehow lost or destroyed such as being hit really hard by Butcher's laser beam, losing blood by getting punched really hard by homelander and having to produce more bone marrow to produce more blood cells etc. Because naturally his cells don't die unless there's a strong enough kinetic force or extreme temperature to kill them. Their cells molecular bonds stubbornly stay together. And when they're damaged they're replaced with perfect replicas, no information is lost which explains why he doesn't age. Also this means he could get stronger much faster than the average human just like Invincible. He would damage the muscles by lifting enormous weights and the body would adapt and produce more muscle cells per square inch though there probably would be a limit for how strong he could get. They should have extremely strong bonds like graphene. The way I see it is overall his body has a higher number of cells per square inch more prominently in the muscles and bones which explains his super strength. It'd be required extremely high energies to pierce through those bonds thus explaining his durability. His body wouldn't need to keep producing more sex cells because they don't fall apart in his nuts lol. If he takes a wank the body just produces more. He would have indestructible sperm lmao. The hormones I believe would be very similar to normal humans. He would also need to produce enough blood to supply his super dense muscles. That would probably mean his heart would have to be bigger and pump harder or more frequently than humans which would explain their super stamina. That's more or less what I think compound V did to their anatomy.
Soldier Boy is certainly one of the strongest characters in the show. I would imagine that he might be the second strongest after Homelander. Also, while I know that they are obscure characters, I was wondering if you thought that there could be a chance that you would do a video on the Marvel heroes Fantomex and Firestar.
Maeve was able to pierice through homelanders ears cause homelander was exposed to soldier boys radiation that can depower supe.So that means any supe who stays near soldier boy they gets weakened.So homelander was also weakened too.
0:11 the force queen mave put into that straw was probably unimaginable with how angry she was and the fact that she is basically wonder woman. I'm guessing his ear drumb got hit and was messed up and maybe it even went into a part of his brain. In gen V you learn that all supes can be put down momentarily with certain sonci weapons. So that obviously means that all supes have vulnerable ears including any organs in that are. Remember he is tough but he's not impervious in the way Superman or omniman are. He can be torn up pretty badly if someone can hit him hard enough but people rarely hit him because he usually attacks first and ends them or hes going up against much weaker supes. You even saw him constantly be extremely dazed when hit when he fought butcher and hughie soldier boy. That means his brain is bouncing when he is hit and that means his brain is pretty soft so if you can get at that he's done .
@@rawhall1265 well he's fast and everything else. Newman has to build up pressure and she may not be able to build up the pressure required to pop homelander. It's kinda how in gen V everyone believed that Marie killed Luke but he killed himself and I personally don't think Marie could have killed him. Maybe bleed him out but he has a healing factor. If Newman tried it he would bomb rush her before anything serious could happen to homelander but Maeve could put up a fight and create an opening.
@@rawhall1265 so it is as simple as attacking his brain hard enough. Homelander can't survive a nuke up close and even weaker bombs can make him bleed if not seriously mess him up but they would have to level a big part of a city using a bomb strong enough. I'm just saying he can be stopped it just takes the right supes getting in on the fight is all.
It seems that everyone forgets how the soups begin to lose their power even while he's charging up his beam near them. Like with the twins and therefore homelander would have also began to weaken from it making him get stabbed in the ear with a pencil.
I would say if we had to put it on a grid Soldier Boy would be like a 100/100 in durability. And Homeland will be like a 99 / 100 in durability. I would say a very insignificant gap!
Soldier boy is my favorite mostly because I like Jensen ackles and the suit design Also fun fact about 2 years ago supernatural was doing a convention in Atlanta and I talked my buddy into dressing as soldier boy with me to go tour the con Surprise to say he was very in love with it we gotta badass poses and we also did the Spider-Man pointing meme Part of me wished I got that shield signed or better gotten the photo into a Polaroid and just hid it in my shield
In the aftermath of a hurricane there have been straws stuck have way in telephone poles. The straw itself could have been one of those fancy metal straws.
Remember taking V makes supes enhanced and in the last episode we saw homelander has a whole cupboard of them in his house and some slots were missing implies homelander takes some occasionally to enchance himself that might explain the edge he has over soldier boy and his prostate issue or rapid aging it could affect supes diffently (like atrains heart problems). Also soldier boy after russian experiment got immunity to radiation we don't know if radiation also power ups him so nuke can just empower him and woke him up.
I was suprised that in the show "fake superman" is the secret love child of "fake captain america", until I learned the type of person he is, so I'm no longer surprised.
i notice something like homelander can smell butcher from his son but he couldent smell hue in pipeline behind him and he really had to smell that sweat spreading in his hands
Homelander = slightly stronger than Soldier Boy Soldier boy = noticicably more durable than Homelander I think their first confrontation, soldier boy lost mainly because their was no hero as strong as he was and underestimated homelander being stronger, soldier boy does have more moves and is more tactical, higher battle IQ so another similar confrontation soldier boy might solo if given the opportunity 1v1 But ya'l know that the Straw was metal, fucking METAL, yes metal can hurt anyone especially rammed in a very sensitive area like the inner ear, could have gone straight to his brain.
Completely agree. Homelander knows everything about Soldier Boy but Soldier Boy went into the fight blind. If you noticed, he tried to pry Homelander's hands off when he first had him x in a chokehold. He expected it to work cos he'd always been the strongest person alive. Now that he knows, Homelander is stronger, he may now account for that in his fighting style
@@shvvagier4951if a nuclear tier person punches another nuclear tier person it would hurt right? It's not the metal itself it's Maeve swinging it with her own super strength.
Yeah Soldier Boy is pretty strong and we know this from the feats of weaker opponents. A Train whom is fodder to homelander or Soldier Boy. Can explode humans which requires small building or even building levels of energy. Crimson Countess whom is also fodder to them can incinerate several human beings at the same time using her blasts. So that is also like building levels of force right there. Then you have Lamplighter incinerating a steel door. That is also building levels of force to possibly city block. Then there is Victoria Neuman who can explode the heads of characters like Shockwave whom is a peer to A Train that can withstand the force of his blows that are building level straight up confirmed that her hax will not work on Homelander and she is banking on a virus. Then you have Kenji who can lift up Thousand ton boats if not higher also being fodder to homelander. So basically folks that can lift up buildings are trash to Homelander. No surprise there lulz. There are feats from other characters that I don't feel like addressing at the moment but yeah. They are far beyond Building or even city block level as I just showed above. So them being nuke level could kinda make sense ngl. Now as for Maeve damaging Homelander with cabinet destroying hits or Soldier boy and Homelanders fights not destroying the building they are in. Funnily enough that is refuted by weaker characters in the previous or same episodes performing much better feats so don't take it like too seriously. Every comic or series is a victim of pis.
Ok. Here's the deal with the straw: in our real world hurricane force winds have been know to pick up plastic drinking straws and throw them with enough force to pierce through tree trunks and houses. Queen Maeve is an incredibly strong woman she hit Homelander at just the right angle with an enormous amount of force with a steel straw. Of course it's going to do damage and hurt.
All I can think of about the STRAW and HOMELANDER is... LUKE CAGE... isn't he a regular person internally, [SUPER SOLDIER SERUM TYPE] with almost diamond strength outer core? I could be wrong but he has shown similar traits...
It harmed Homelander because it was from Queen Maeve. Btw, he shrugged it off. A normal human would instantly die. So not only is he super durable, but has super resilience.
If Wonder woman was to hit Superman with a toothpick.. Do you think the toothpick would actually harm Superman just because it's coming from Wonder woman?
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable We already acknowledged that real world physics do not perfectly align. You conceded that realistically their punches should create destructive shockwaves, but they don’t. Therefore, we already acknowledge that the concept of equal and opposite reactions in forces doesn’t function the same in The Boys universe, so yes. If we literally follow this logic, jamming a pipe into Homelanders head with Maeves level of strength and force generation would impale him without necessarily breaking the object.
I wonder why vought or the boys didn’t last collect material fro. Soldier boys blast. I’m thinking lace that energy into bullets and other melee weapons to neutralize homelander
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It so un consistent how the writing is in everything now day and we as audience get soon feed everything nowadays just to be like ok rather than being like the some of the older movies and tv show’s like why do we need to get told if someone is like able or hated rather than figuring it out ourselves I guess that’s how life is rather than learning our selfs people say there cool and we as people go along until people say there dumb look at Disney and the stuff they do we blast people for their thoughts rather than listening and learning ourselves
That's assuming a needle is actually immune to melting because realistically the needle would vaporize moving at the speed of light. So still not the best example The straw should have broke
Homelander surviving a nuke when he was injured by beings like straws or superpowered punches could be explained away by the fact that a being of his size would only a receive a millionth of the energy of an entire city busting explosion. Theoretically, he could be building level or city block level and still survive a nuke with serious injuries like the Hiroshima bomb victims. As for him getting wounded by Soldier Boy and Temp V butcher, superpowered punches are basically like shaped-charges, concentrating an immense amount of explosive force onto a small surface area. If the Boys wanted to kill durable supes, Frenchie should have just shot Homelander with a Javelin Missile launcher. Those fuckers can penetrate close to a meter of rolled steel. A javelin might blow a fist-sized hole in Homelander's chest and blow his internal organs out another. Large explosions, like Nukes and conventional explosives, are not effective against armor at all. Sure, it would disable a tank, but a few repairs and the tank's back into commission. Bunker busters and shaped charged warheads are what is used for hard targets. Conventional explosives are good for taking out a bunch of soft targets, like enemy infantry. So a fictional character surviving a bomb puts them at armored vehicle level durability, a nuke would put them at tank or battleship level durability. While I agree that Homelander could take out the military, anti-tank weapons should at the very least give him a minor bruise. Let's say that Homelander's skin is the equivalent of 1000mm of rolled homogenous armor, his eyes are 100mm, and his eardrums are 10mm. Maeve could have shoved that metal straw through a WWI tank pretty easily as it was a smaller version of an armor-piercing self-discarding sabot fired out of a tank, made of titanium. While Homelander and Soldier Boy are incredibly powerful, they are not immune to the efforts of a conventional military. Concentrated fire with anti-tank weaponry could kill them with concussive force, nukes could severely burn them. And by severe, I mean more severely than Stormfront. Homelander's greatest weapon, if we were to take over the country, would be his speed. A moving target with the durability of an M1Abrams and the speed of an F-35 Jet would be impossible to take down. Anti-air weapons are designed to kill aircraft with the fragments and concussive force of the missile, which frankly, would do jack and dick to Homelander. Homelander could very easily take over the US if he's not completely braindead going about it; thus, he's still a credible threat in the world of The Boys. A being doesn't need to be anywhere approaching Superman or Omni Man's power level to be a near unstoppable threat.
Because it was attacking a weak point (the inner ear) and was done by someone of superior strength to humans, she's a tier below his weight class. How does a needle that can't be destroyed by friction destroy a planet? It moves at lightspeed.
^ I was actually going to use that example lol! That straw shouldn't have worked regardless of who's using it. It reminds me of that Hulk movie in 2008. The Hulk split a car in half and used it as boxing gloves punched abomination with it. Even though the Hulk is the one hitting the abomination with the car the car eventually got destroyed and the hulk's fist was the only thing left. That's what technically should have happened with the straw regardless of how strong maeve is. The straw should have broke! The only way this stuff makes sense. It's something I brought up in this video. If the writers really want to make him having a weakness in his inner insides. Then all this would make more sense But if that's not actually a legit weakness and his insides are durable just like Soldier boys then it just makes The feat look weirder
The writing has been more and more trash tbh. Even without the egregiously incessant political biases and nonsensical coincidence writing, it's been getting a lot worse. And consistency was one of its victims. S1 Homelander was mach 50+ at least, and completely invulnerable. S2 Homelander was slightly supersonic and could be temporarily incapacitated by lesser supes, but was still invulnerable. S3 Homelander was slightly superhuman speed, maybe 150mph or so, and could be easily bruised and even penetrated by human means wielded by lesser supes. And S4 Homelander can't even catch Hughie crawling at 1mph down a set of pipes anymore. I guess Kripke's hateboner for Trump and him for some weird fucking reason wanting Homelander to be a metaphor for Trump has made him incapable and unwilling to present Homelander as an actual threat.
Writters doesnt care bout power scaling That doesnt change the fact that you're Wrong S1 homelander is Mach 18 at most Lmao you just claimed stm without any proof When did homelander got incapacitated by other low tier supes? Again you're claiming stm without Proof Prove homelander was only 150mph When did human bruised homelander buddy?? Yeah that scene was kinda meh
Yeah but the straw would bend in that case like trying to stab someone with a paper straw, tbh the fights in that last episode threw power scaling out the window lol
Ivan if a character has the power to manipulate the metaphysical idea of time and all their feats center around that then how do you scale them and find their attack potency and all that ? And not just time but also other metaphysical concepts like causality ?
Ivan please keep in mind that the only reason that being likes Superman when they throw punches cities aren't blown away even while fighting world destroyers like Doomsday, it's because when Superman hits Doomsday, the blow he hits him with is absorbed mostly by Doomsday which cancels out the shockwaves, at times we have witnessed their punches clashing & they'd be shockwaves on display
The only reason I brought up something like that is to show just because the environment doesn't react in a certain way doesnt debunk the characters power level. I've seen people try to use this argument of The best we've seen them destroy is building so therefore they're building level at best confirmed. When that's some really simplistic thinking. That's like saying you've only seen me lift 200 pounds so therefore my max is 200 lb even though you saw me lift up 200 lb would laughable ease. That's obviously not my max. The biggest weight you ever see me lift was 200 lb. Buuuuuuuuut. you see me lift that 200 lbs with a pinky. Lol obviously that's not my max lol
One of the many animes I need to start. Don't know if I'm going to end up starting it since I don't think the anime is confirmed to be animating the new manga chapters :-(
Honestly, I'd argue that Homelander was not in the right mental when fighting Maeve. In addition to that, he was probably holding back a little because he wanted her eggs
Think about this in dragon ball z trunks sliced frieza in half with a regular sword. Does that make frieza just sword level? No. Dude can tank planets exploding while cut in half. It's the fact that trunks is the one swinging it is why it cuts through him. So back to the boys Maeve is swinging thag metal straw with more precision and power than guns.
Not the same at all buddy.. Dragon Ball Z characters can amp their hands or weapons they're using with ki. (Goku amped his finger with ki via ki control, so his finger wouldn't get sliced off) when trunks was using his sword against him That's a very easy explanation on why that sword worked. So in short trunks likely used a ki enhanced strike to do that. It's the same concept in One Piece anime. A character can pick up a random stick. Channel there energy AKA inner haki into that stick and make that stick really durable with invisible armor. To where they can strike beings and harm those said beings they're fighting that are top tier.. The boys doesn't use them type of concepts.
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable goku clearly amped his fingers. Trunks clearly did not Amp the sword. 🤦🤦 He didn't learn how until super. The same sword also shattered from android 18 blocking. So no ki Amp and same concept 🤦
Oh ok let me break it down. First off trunks sword. It’s never explained what it’s made of. Second. There’s implications it wasn’t regular. King cold literally picked up the sword ! Looked at it and analyzed it! He Believing trunks only won the fight cause of the sword! Which implies. Something about doesn’t seem ordinary. So comparing trunks sword to the metal straw from a cup isn’t anywhere near the same thing. A straw isn’t even a weapon. A sword is.. Dragonball isn’t the best at explaining every lil thing I admit but if u analyze it can be chalked up to ki amplifying… even if they don’t explain it every time something in the show happens… That’s the only thing that makes sense… where as the boys characters don’t amp up there’s strikes or anything with energy or ki control like Dragonball. How else do u think some wooden chopsticks can hurt beings like piccolo in the Dragonball super ! It can be chalked up to ki amplified weapons
Do you all think more “Live Action Character” how strong vids should appear more on the channel??
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I enjoy them and some versus videos on similarly skilled sups
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Hey I think The problem with soilder boy power scale is how inconsistent the writers are with powers in these later season like the straw incident. Soilder boy Blast goes from can blast through a bunker then destroy half a city block to blowing up a cabin to then destroying half a Forrest and a manchine; to then destroying half of vaut tower. To oh it just blew out half the windows. Also his strength in the homelander and season finale fights go up and down. Against homelander he magically starts losing when he clearly was winning for butcher and huggie to help him that’s the only reason he started losing. Then in the finale he starts decking people who where able to hold down homelander and over power everyone even after starlight gets powered up. Where is this coming from why didn’t you use this in the first fight with homelander. Honestly it’s something I’ve noticed the writers sometimes go for the moment and plot and don’t stick with continuity. It’s just a noticeable issue
@@tterminatormc4705 I don't think Soldier boy's explosions varying in intensity is that inconsistent. Could easily be chalked up to him just having different results when resisting... and in real life when two comparably skilled fighters go at it, anything can happen at any moment. Either one could be put to sleep in seconds. Or the fight could last 10 minutes with no clear winner. I don't see how it is far fetched that superhumans would sometimes struggle for dominance and other times find the appropriate moment/motivation or leverage to manhandle eachother.
I like how soldier boys big thing is he doesn’t age and now homelander is worrying about his ball hairs turning gray 😂
I think they gonna bring him back for that. And get his ageing abilitie
@@EfraimCiulin-g5f I’m thinking maybe they’ll have him come back in season 5 for some big reveal
@@Thebloodguy i think Homelander might try to come to a truce with Soldier Boy given that the boys betrayed him
@@bigboss4993 I’d rather homelander win than the boys there both evil
Yeah I think that was intentional from Vought bc While he does have lasers and Flight, he ages and is internally vulnerable unlike SB
Soldier boy is on a whole other level of Supes given the experiments and augmentation by the Russians Him Being Able To De-power Supes At Will makes him a Massive Threat
Solider boy truly got the perfect compound v variant.
and soldier boy didnt have no bruise after facing homelander so he seems to be more durable
Well, homelanders face had took take both of them punches (butchers and soldier boys) while soldier boys only homelanders, so soldier boy didn’t take the same amount of damage to have a bruise
Damn soldier boy is durable than the shield he carries with 😂
Shoot he needs to make a shield made out of his skin!!
Answer: Mave's strength and speed far surpass conventional weapons.
She is NOT the speed of sound
@@Gojo13201 she's based on wonderwoman with a similar power set. I think she's pretty OP.
@@Gojo13201 she is
There is a argument that Soldier Boy while doesnt have flight or the ability to shoot beams out of his eyes like Homelander but is potentially more durable than Homelander & since he doesnt seem to age he would likely outlive Homelander if not killed
see he can be immortal he didnt age for shit and also he wasnt put on ice just gassed soo he could age from that soo yeah crazy.
@@nicholassiple7838 if homelander is stronger ( which he is by a good amount) then by default he’s more durable, him no selling the nuclear plant explosion is much more impressive than anything soldier boy did
You might laugh, but I consider Soldier Boy to be close to MCU Phase 1 Thor’s level of strength and durability. Soldier Boy’s durability is to the point where it’s implied that the only thing possible to kill him would be a hydrogen bomb, which reaches 100 million degrees Celsius. The greatest feat of strength we ever see in the show is A-Train pulling that locomotive. He was pulling the engine (front of the train) and three empty passenger train cars behind it. That tonnage is anywhere between 200-300 tonnes easily. And if we assume Soldier Boy is, let’s say 3x stronger than A-Train, then that’s an upwards strength limit of 850-1000 tonnes. The math might not be 100% accurate but still, Soldier Boy is an absolute UNIT. It’s just a shame because he basically has no showcased feats to back this up. It’s all implied and vaguely referenced. But if it’s true, then he could throw hands with the likes of Phase 1 Thor or even the Hulk. Which DOES sound like a serious stretch, but we shouldn’t underestimate Soldier Boy’s reputation. People make the mistake of assuming that just because The Boys is a parody of Marvel and DC heroes, and is satirical, its characters are weak. But we see a lot of characters showcasing pretty crazy power levels, Soldier Boy especially.
Edit: Technically, I’m mistaken. I googled it. Lifting strength and pulling strength are different if wheels are involved. A-Train pulled that locomotive, but it was on a track and had wheels. The same way everyone can push a 2 tonne car (because wheels) but take the wheels away, and you’re not pushing that car an inch. Doesn’t matter if you’re built like Arnold Schwarzenegger, it won’t budge. So, Soldier Boy is still CRAZY strong, but I’ve probably exaggerated his potential feats of strength a bit.
Even if he’s bulletproof that straw is going in with the full force of Maeve strength so it’s different
The straw should have broke
It's like the Hulk hitting you with a car. The car is going to break. The car doesn't magically get durable just because the hulk's using it.
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Remember how Translucent was easier to kill from the inside? Same thing. His eardrum is apparently not bulletproof.
I definitely remember that but that's still weird for homelander to be this super threat to have such a easily exploitable weakness that they haven't thought of using all these seasons.
It makes the characters in the show look kind of dumb. After killing translucent why didn't nobody think of
"oh we should do this for homelander?"
It's moments like this that make me think there's implications he's durable on the inside. Just like his father.
Will they explain this in the new season? Probably not lol
It's more likely going to be one of those unexplained things that they never bring back up..
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable There's a pretty obvious reason no one has tried it before, they lack the capability. Look at the damage Maeve took to plant that straw, she had to go all out against a Homelander actively trying not to hurt her. No one else could have come close enough to stab him in the ear hole, and shooting someone in the ear hole isn't exactly easy, nor is holding him down and jamming an explosive in his ass. It just wasn't possible, even Maeve couldn't have pulled it off if he wasn't trying to preserve her for breeding purposes.
Not to mention you can kind of tell how strong a character is by the way how homelander reacts to them.
Notice how homelander actually has respect for the power level of somebody like Soldier boy.. homelander actually gets nervous.
But notice every time Victoria Newman(The notorious head popper) AKA The blood Bender of the show somebody that can kill you from the inside of your body out.
Notice how homelander doesn't see her as a threat at all (sure this could be cockiness). But this could be the writer's way of showing you that she's not a threat to him.
this might sound stupid but maybe the straw incident is to show the force and strength that queen mave used to pierce his ear drum.
Soldier boy with his nuke is the strongest supe. He was clearly weakened in the first clash. In the second fight he took on everyone including homelander.
He wasn’t weakened thats never stated
@@darknessedgelord7998 exactly thank you!
Only thing I can think of is that the straw is made out of an alloy that Homelander isnt immune to. Something that no one would consider being weaponizable. They could explain it away like "oh this very specific alloy content can bypass his invulnerability". Give him his own earthly version of Kryptonite. Thats my theory anyways.
I kind of mentioned a similar theory in the video. Mine was more leaning towards if the writers want to give homelander an actual weakness like his insides being not as durable as is outsides.
That's a little weird still considering that Soldier Boy's insides are durable too lol
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable No, soldier boy was made for War and so they prioritize durability and strength. It's also the reason why older generations of supes don't age and new gen supes age. The original compound V didn't have limits and now the new compund V doesn't stop aging like the old one- mainly to serve as a contingency plan for evil supes like Homelander. That's why Vaught got rid of Soldier boy because he's the only one who tried the original compound V and they didn't have any way to control him. The Russians had to do a lot of research to find novachoke to stop him. also, homeland destroyed maeves eyes even though they are invincible but their insides are still human so it makes sense why they get hurt on the insides. Soldier boy is the only one with internal durability due to taking the original compound V and evolution caused by russian experiments on him.
So you basically have the same theory that I have. that I brought up in this video! Good to know!
or maybe its because he got hit in one of the most fragile parts of the body by another very strong supe and that was just barely enough to damage him. hes gotten bruised in a fight before so clearly he can be damaged by just being hit hard enough. all of that force being concentrated onto his eardrum should definitely do some damage.
@@9_1.1 Extremely possible but that's already been speculated before. Didn't feel like repeating a well known and espoused theory. Besides the concept of super beings of that level having a weakness is a pretty common trope and it's not like The Boys can subvert every trope regarding superheroes.
Homelander’s skin and bones super durable but his insides can be more easily damaged. He was stabbed in his ear. The eardrum was was injured but he quickly healed.
Victoria Newman needs to become the new homelander or the new God of the supers. because she should be able to kill every supe!!
@@IvaNTheUnStoppableshe can kill everyone exept, Homelander.
@@anonymous02847 She def can't pop Soldier boy and it was up in the air whether or not she could've popped Maeve.
@@rawhall1265 ur the one that said, that soldier boy is weaker after the blast when its never stated.
@@anonymous02847 Who knows what the writer's intend to do. But It's shown bro is gassed and reeling after every explosion if you pay attention.
I really hope they do a solider boy spin off even a ww2 or Korean War movie when he fights some other supers and proving his top dog status because from the way he approaches the fight it’s like he’s done this before against some of German supers.
Also I think The problem with soilder boy power scale is how inconsistent the writers are with powers in these later season like the straw incident.
Soilder boy Blast goes from can blast through a bunker then destroy half a city block to blowing up a cabin to then destroying half a Forrest and a manchine; to then destroying half of vaut tower. To oh it just blew out half the windows. Also his strength in the homelander and season finale fights go up and down. Against homelander he magically starts losing when he clearly was winning for butcher and huggie to help him that’s the only reason he started losing. Then in the finale he starts decking people who where able to hold down homelander and over power everyone even after starlight gets powered up. Where is this coming from why didn’t you use this in the first fight with homelander. Honestly it’s something I’ve noticed the writers sometimes go for the moment and plot and don’t stick with continuity. It’s just a noticeable issue
One of my fav characters in the show. Hes one of the few that can stand toe to toe with homelander
Did u pay attention on the 1v1 they had? Homelander wouldve killed Soldier Boy Pretty easy.
@@anonymous02847 🤨🤨🤨🤨.
I said "one of the few that can stand toe to toe with homelander". When did I ever say that either is gonna win against who?
Yeah toe to toe for 20 seconds after being hyped up for so damn long
@@KingAshtray20 seconds? Bro watched the girls. SB and HL were throwing hands offscreen too and yeah what he did to the boys in the finale shows how strong he is imao. He almost beheaded butcher (don't forget butcher was wiping the floor with HL) then he took butcher's beam point blank in the face directly (which beam also clashed with homelanders for a good struggling time) he took his grandsons beam and stood up without any wounds. And you can't debate the fact that HOMELANDER himself said "you are the only one nearly as strong as me" so he might not be stronger but he was maid to be the homelander 1.0 so cant blame him (source: a video of jensen ackles as soldier boy)
He is practically Homelander equal
No he isnt him and butcher were losing 2v1
@@scerkann3966 he was weakened
@@scerkann3966 don't forget he grabbed Homelanders throat at the end of season 3 and Homelander looked scared.
@@paulsmith-rz9rl it was 3v1 and he was emotional af if you couldn't tell
@@gangster_spunhbop9709 based on what? There's no source that states that to be the case
Remember when homelander got a bruise or stabbed in the year, soldier boy was there both times, soldier boys ability literally weakens supes to the point of being vulnerable to incoming damage, soldier boy was standing right behind homelander when homelander was tending ryan and he was powering up to blast, it be the same as superman being within proximity of kryptonite. Soldier has radiation pulsing from him, just being within close range is enough to slightly weaken anything with compound v in it. The blast itself kills all the compound v, being within proximity just messes with it enough to make you vulnerable.
Keep in mind after his fight with Homelander he didnt have any cuts or bruises. While Homelander clearly had bruises. You can also say he was slightly weaker after using his atomic blast. Since he seems tired after each use.
The russians said that he was invunerable to physical harm, the Soviets had literal miles of land to test nukws on him and they apparently couldn't even hurt him. And it makes sense cause chenicals are his weakeness so its smog would just knock him out
I agree that the straw thing doesn’t really make sense, but I think that was more related to Maeve’s strength than the straw or Homelander’s durability. I think it was meant to be a Maeve feat, not a Homelander anti-feat. And Homelander’s durability may not extend to his insides, at least to the level of Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy’s durability seems to be uniquely on its own level.
Let's imagine that straw or rod was made of a really strong metal alloy. And the pointy tip adds to the piercing ability significantly when combined with Maeve's strength who is comparable to Wonder Woman. Shoved into HL ear drum and with his inside being less durable the SB. Makes complete sense.
I don't think they have adamantium steel just laying around!! Especially just for drinking in a random cup!
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable haha was it really a drinking straw. Damn writers couldn't even make it a high quality stainless steel pen? 😂
@@cardude1992 yeah we just have to accept writers aren't perfect lol It was just a goofy writing moment
It happens to the best of them 😅
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable I thought it was something durable when I watched it. Not a drinking straw. That's just dumb. Even John Wick used a pencil.
About Soldier Boy and Homelander powers, their cell properties would be different. The cells should have some fixed properties:
They should produce more cells only when those cells are somehow lost or destroyed such as being hit really hard by Butcher's laser beam, losing blood by getting punched really hard by homelander and having to produce more bone marrow to produce more blood cells etc. Because naturally his cells don't die unless there's a strong enough kinetic force or extreme temperature to kill them. Their cells molecular bonds stubbornly stay together. And when they're damaged they're replaced with perfect replicas, no information is lost which explains why he doesn't age. Also this means he could get stronger much faster than the average human just like Invincible. He would damage the muscles by lifting enormous weights and the body would adapt and produce more muscle cells per square inch though there probably would be a limit for how strong he could get.
They should have extremely strong bonds like graphene. The way I see it is overall his body has a higher number of cells per square inch more prominently in the muscles and bones which explains his super strength. It'd be required extremely high energies to pierce through those bonds thus explaining his durability. His body wouldn't need to keep producing more sex cells because they don't fall apart in his nuts lol. If he takes a wank the body just produces more. He would have indestructible sperm lmao.
The hormones I believe would be very similar to normal humans. He would also need to produce enough blood to supply his super dense muscles. That would probably mean his heart would have to be bigger and pump harder or more frequently than humans which would explain their super stamina.
That's more or less what I think compound V did to their anatomy.
In other words. They have the ideal physique and anatomy
@@michaelmarto69 Pretty much yeah
@@johnfelix503 I would like to have that
Soldier Boy is certainly one of the strongest characters in the show. I would imagine that he might be the second strongest after Homelander.
Also, while I know that they are obscure characters, I was wondering if you thought that there could be a chance that you would do a video on the Marvel heroes Fantomex and Firestar.
Maeve was able to pierice through homelanders ears cause homelander was exposed to soldier boys radiation that can depower supe.So that means any supe who stays near soldier boy they gets weakened.So homelander was also weakened too.
@dualjnavanonoobJavehara-le6lh soldier boy is the source of the radiation.So he is immune from it
"Now that is a Real Man"🗿
0:11 the force queen mave put into that straw was probably unimaginable with how angry she was and the fact that she is basically wonder woman. I'm guessing his ear drumb got hit and was messed up and maybe it even went into a part of his brain. In gen V you learn that all supes can be put down momentarily with certain sonci weapons. So that obviously means that all supes have vulnerable ears including any organs in that are. Remember he is tough but he's not impervious in the way Superman or omniman are. He can be torn up pretty badly if someone can hit him hard enough but people rarely hit him because he usually attacks first and ends them or hes going up against much weaker supes. You even saw him constantly be extremely dazed when hit when he fought butcher and hughie soldier boy. That means his brain is bouncing when he is hit and that means his brain is pretty soft so if you can get at that he's done .
Not necessarily. If it was as simple as attacking his brain, Numen would be able to put him down.
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This!
@@rawhall1265 well he's fast and everything else. Newman has to build up pressure and she may not be able to build up the pressure required to pop homelander. It's kinda how in gen V everyone believed that Marie killed Luke but he killed himself and I personally don't think Marie could have killed him. Maybe bleed him out but he has a healing factor. If Newman tried it he would bomb rush her before anything serious could happen to homelander but Maeve could put up a fight and create an opening.
@@rawhall1265 so it is as simple as attacking his brain hard enough. Homelander can't survive a nuke up close and even weaker bombs can make him bleed if not seriously mess him up but they would have to level a big part of a city using a bomb strong enough. I'm just saying he can be stopped it just takes the right supes getting in on the fight is all.
hearing this narrated in DC accent is top tier lol
It seems that everyone forgets how the soups begin to lose their power even while he's charging up his beam near them. Like with the twins and therefore homelander would have also began to weaken from it making him get stabbed in the ear with a pencil.
So would we say soldier boy is more durable than homelander then
I would say if we had to put it on a grid
Soldier Boy would be like a 100/100 in durability.
And Homeland will be like a 99 / 100 in durability.
I would say a very insignificant gap!
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Soldier boy is my favorite mostly because I like Jensen ackles and the suit design
Also fun fact about 2 years ago supernatural was doing a convention in Atlanta and I talked my buddy into dressing as soldier boy with me to go tour the con
Surprise to say he was very in love with it we gotta badass poses and we also did the Spider-Man pointing meme
Part of me wished I got that shield signed or better gotten the photo into a Polaroid and just hid it in my shield
In the aftermath of a hurricane there have been straws stuck have way in telephone poles. The straw itself could have been one of those fancy metal straws.
Homelander Is A Metal Straw Victim 🤣
Imagine ur kid piercing you with a pencil and world strong man piercing you with the same pencil ...
Remember taking V makes supes enhanced and in the last episode we saw homelander has a whole cupboard of them in his house and some slots were missing implies homelander takes some occasionally to enchance himself that might explain the edge he has over soldier boy and his prostate issue or rapid aging it could affect supes diffently (like atrains heart problems). Also soldier boy after russian experiment got immunity to radiation we don't know if radiation also power ups him so nuke can just empower him and woke him up.
I was suprised that in the show "fake superman" is the secret love child of "fake captain america", until I learned the type of person he is, so I'm no longer surprised.
Soldier Boy time!
You're the goat 🐐
i notice something like homelander can smell butcher from his son but he couldent smell hue in pipeline behind him and he really had to smell that sweat spreading in his hands
Butcher looks like he has an odor lol
The reason the straw hurt him because Maeve hit him in the ear which is a weak vital point because of his super hearing that’s why he got hurt
Homelander = slightly stronger than Soldier Boy
Soldier boy = noticicably more durable than Homelander
I think their first confrontation, soldier boy lost mainly because their was no hero as strong as he was and underestimated homelander being stronger, soldier boy does have more moves and is more tactical, higher battle IQ so another similar confrontation soldier boy might solo if given the opportunity 1v1
But ya'l know that the Straw was metal, fucking METAL, yes metal can hurt anyone especially rammed in a very sensitive area like the inner ear, could have gone straight to his brain.
Metal straw durability > Missiles & Nukes
Completely agree. Homelander knows everything about Soldier Boy but Soldier Boy went into the fight blind. If you noticed, he tried to pry Homelander's hands off when he first had him x in a chokehold. He expected it to work cos he'd always been the strongest person alive. Now that he knows, Homelander is stronger, he may now account for that in his fighting style
If you're supposed to be nuclear tier or close to nuclear tier then realistically no metal would do shit to you, no matter where the strike lands.
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@@shvvagier4951if a nuclear tier person punches another nuclear tier person it would hurt right? It's not the metal itself it's Maeve swinging it with her own super strength.
You should do live action more often!
Yeah Soldier Boy is pretty strong and we know this from the feats of weaker opponents.
A Train whom is fodder to homelander or Soldier Boy.
Can explode humans which requires small building or even building levels of energy.
Crimson Countess whom is also fodder to them can incinerate several human beings at the same time using her blasts.
So that is also like building levels of force right there.
Then you have Lamplighter incinerating a steel door.
That is also building levels of force to possibly city block.
Then there is Victoria Neuman who can explode the heads of characters like Shockwave whom is a peer to A Train that can withstand the force of his blows that are building level straight up confirmed that her hax will not work on Homelander and she is banking on a virus.
Then you have Kenji who can lift up Thousand ton boats if not higher also being fodder to homelander.
So basically folks that can lift up buildings are trash to Homelander.
No surprise there lulz.
There are feats from other characters that I don't feel like addressing at the moment but yeah.
They are far beyond Building or even city block level as I just showed above.
So them being nuke level could kinda make sense ngl.
Now as for Maeve damaging Homelander with cabinet destroying hits or Soldier boy and Homelanders fights not destroying the building they are in.
Funnily enough that is refuted by weaker characters in the previous or same episodes performing much better feats so don't take it like too seriously.
Every comic or series is a victim of pis.
I love your opinions on these topics 🎉🎉🎉
Ok. Here's the deal with the straw: in our real world hurricane force winds have been know to pick up plastic drinking straws and throw them with enough force to pierce through tree trunks and houses. Queen Maeve is an incredibly strong woman she hit Homelander at just the right angle with an enormous amount of force with a steel straw. Of course it's going to do damage and hurt.
In Pokémon terms:
Soldier Boy = Mew
Homelander = Mewtwo
All I can think of about the STRAW and HOMELANDER is... LUKE CAGE... isn't he a regular person internally, [SUPER SOLDIER SERUM TYPE] with almost diamond strength outer core? I could be wrong but he has shown similar traits...
It harmed Homelander because it was from Queen Maeve. Btw, he shrugged it off. A normal human would instantly die. So not only is he super durable, but has super resilience.
If Wonder woman was to hit Superman with a toothpick..
Do you think the toothpick would actually harm Superman just because it's coming from Wonder woman?
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable We already acknowledged that real world physics do not perfectly align. You conceded that realistically their punches should create destructive shockwaves, but they don’t. Therefore, we already acknowledge that the concept of equal and opposite reactions in forces doesn’t function the same in The Boys universe, so yes. If we literally follow this logic, jamming a pipe into Homelanders head with Maeves level of strength and force generation would impale him without necessarily breaking the object.
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Lol. And people online are trying to say that MCU Captain America can beat TV Soldier Boy.
Homelander definitely shouldn't be weak on the inside
He’l be back for season 4 at the end
I wonder why vought or the boys didn’t last collect material fro. Soldier boys blast. I’m thinking lace that energy into bullets and other melee weapons to neutralize homelander
All who read this comment , you are worthy of having superpowers like Soldier Boy , because you guys , you , are the real heroes , thanks for existing !
It so un consistent how the writing is in everything now day and we as audience get soon feed everything nowadays just to be like ok rather than being like the some of the older movies and tv show’s like why do we need to get told if someone is like able or hated rather than figuring it out ourselves I guess that’s how life is rather than learning our selfs people say there cool and we as people go along until people say there dumb look at Disney and the stuff they do we blast people for their thoughts rather than listening and learning ourselves
it's not staw that hurt homelander it's the speed and force on straw that hurt homelander, i.e needle with the speed of light can destroy earth
That's assuming a needle is actually immune to melting because realistically the needle would vaporize moving at the speed of light. So still not the best example
The straw should have broke
I wonder if the oxygen destroyer from Godzilla king of the monsters would work against them
it looks like soldier boy durability is strongest in the show
Homelander surviving a nuke when he was injured by beings like straws or superpowered punches could be explained away by the fact that a being of his size would only a receive a millionth of the energy of an entire city busting explosion. Theoretically, he could be building level or city block level and still survive a nuke with serious injuries like the Hiroshima bomb victims. As for him getting wounded by Soldier Boy and Temp V butcher, superpowered punches are basically like shaped-charges, concentrating an immense amount of explosive force onto a small surface area. If the Boys wanted to kill durable supes, Frenchie should have just shot Homelander with a Javelin Missile launcher. Those fuckers can penetrate close to a meter of rolled steel. A javelin might blow a fist-sized hole in Homelander's chest and blow his internal organs out another.
Large explosions, like Nukes and conventional explosives, are not effective against armor at all. Sure, it would disable a tank, but a few repairs and the tank's back into commission. Bunker busters and shaped charged warheads are what is used for hard targets. Conventional explosives are good for taking out a bunch of soft targets, like enemy infantry. So a fictional character surviving a bomb puts them at armored vehicle level durability, a nuke would put them at tank or battleship level durability. While I agree that Homelander could take out the military, anti-tank weapons should at the very least give him a minor bruise.
Let's say that Homelander's skin is the equivalent of 1000mm of rolled homogenous armor, his eyes are 100mm, and his eardrums are 10mm. Maeve could have shoved that metal straw through a WWI tank pretty easily as it was a smaller version of an armor-piercing self-discarding sabot fired out of a tank, made of titanium.
While Homelander and Soldier Boy are incredibly powerful, they are not immune to the efforts of a conventional military. Concentrated fire with anti-tank weaponry could kill them with concussive force, nukes could severely burn them. And by severe, I mean more severely than Stormfront. Homelander's greatest weapon, if we were to take over the country, would be his speed. A moving target with the durability of an M1Abrams and the speed of an F-35 Jet would be impossible to take down. Anti-air weapons are designed to kill aircraft with the fragments and concussive force of the missile, which frankly, would do jack and dick to Homelander. Homelander could very easily take over the US if he's not completely braindead going about it; thus, he's still a credible threat in the world of The Boys. A being doesn't need to be anywhere approaching Superman or Omni Man's power level to be a near unstoppable threat.
"There isn't a weapon on Earth they haven't thrown at him." I assume this statement would extend to missles, bro.
Because it was attacking a weak point (the inner ear) and was done by someone of superior strength to humans, she's a tier below his weight class. How does a needle that can't be destroyed by friction destroy a planet? It moves at lightspeed.
So if Wonder Woman stabs Superman in the ear with a straw is the same thing happening 😂
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I was actually going to use that example lol!
That straw shouldn't have worked regardless of who's using it.
It reminds me of that Hulk movie in 2008. The Hulk split a car in half and used it as boxing gloves punched abomination with it.
Even though the Hulk is the one hitting the abomination with the car the car eventually got destroyed and the hulk's fist was the only thing left.
That's what technically should have happened with the straw regardless of how strong maeve is. The straw should have broke!
The only way this stuff makes sense. It's something I brought up in this video. If the writers really want to make him having a weakness in his inner insides. Then all this would make more sense But if that's not actually a legit weakness and his insides are durable just like Soldier boys then it just makes The feat look weirder
@@babycoolie6477 yes, the same
I think they both solo the MCU by yall aint ready for that convo
Don't go overboard.
That’s funny that u think that’s possible
The writing has been more and more trash tbh. Even without the egregiously incessant political biases and nonsensical coincidence writing, it's been getting a lot worse. And consistency was one of its victims. S1 Homelander was mach 50+ at least, and completely invulnerable. S2 Homelander was slightly supersonic and could be temporarily incapacitated by lesser supes, but was still invulnerable. S3 Homelander was slightly superhuman speed, maybe 150mph or so, and could be easily bruised and even penetrated by human means wielded by lesser supes. And S4 Homelander can't even catch Hughie crawling at 1mph down a set of pipes anymore.
I guess Kripke's hateboner for Trump and him for some weird fucking reason wanting Homelander to be a metaphor for Trump has made him incapable and unwilling to present Homelander as an actual threat.
Writters doesnt care bout power scaling
That doesnt change the fact that you're Wrong
S1 homelander is Mach 18 at most
Lmao you just claimed stm without any proof
When did homelander got incapacitated by other low tier supes?
Again you're claiming stm without Proof
Prove homelander was only 150mph
When did human bruised homelander buddy??
Yeah that scene was kinda meh
@@Magnetism_0 ''S1 homelander is Mach 18 at most'' Then how did he save Butcher from a mach 24 C4 explosion?
@@TheStraightestWhitest yeah
Thats his how he gets to Mach 18
+Its kinda outliar
Superman would have been able to keep the plane up, makes no sense that Homelander couldnt
The boys was trying to be too realistic with physics lol
Superman has a supporting forcefield affect. They didn't put that in for Homelander. Imo.
I mean technically it wasn't the "straw" that harmed him but queen maeve power behind the metal rod "straw"
Yeah but the straw would bend in that case like trying to stab someone with a paper straw, tbh the fights in that last episode threw power scaling out the window lol
The Straw should have bent or broke realistically
Maeve harming him isn’t really the problem it’s that straw that don’t make sense lol
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable if it went through his chest I'd be agreeing with you but it's his ear
I still don't think that makes that much sense. His father has durable insides its weird that homelander wouldn't have durable insides too..
Ivan if a character has the power to manipulate the metaphysical idea of time and all their feats center around that then how do you scale them and find their attack potency and all that ? And not just time but also other metaphysical concepts like causality ?
He sounds like somebody that wouldn’t even be an attack power type character but just a walking hax
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Okay
Ivan please keep in mind that the only reason that being likes Superman when they throw punches cities aren't blown away even while fighting world destroyers like Doomsday, it's because when Superman hits Doomsday, the blow he hits him with is absorbed mostly by Doomsday which cancels out the shockwaves, at times we have witnessed their punches clashing & they'd be shockwaves on display
The only reason I brought up something like that is to show just because the environment doesn't react in a certain way doesnt debunk the characters power level.
I've seen people try to use this argument of The best we've seen them destroy is building so therefore they're building level at best confirmed.
When that's some really simplistic thinking.
That's like saying you've only seen me lift 200 pounds so therefore my max is 200 lb even though you saw me lift up 200 lb would laughable ease.
That's obviously not my max.
The biggest weight you ever see me lift was 200 lb.
Buuuuuuuuut.
you see me lift that 200 lbs with a pinky.
Lol obviously that's not my max lol
Can he take on a vampire from true blood
Yo Please Do How Strong Truly is Guts(Berserk) and No downplaying! And power scale him!
One of the many animes I need to start. Don't know if I'm going to end up starting it since I don't think the anime is confirmed to be animating the new manga chapters :-(
He's multi city block level and can go beyond with berserker armor if he forsakes his sanity
Honestly, I'd argue that Homelander was not in the right mental when fighting Maeve. In addition to that, he was probably holding back a little because he wanted her eggs
Maeve is strong so him bleeding from her punches is fine!
It's just that darn straw that doesn't make the most sense!
Didn't they creates rockets specifically meant to kill supes in the boys?
Im sure a atomic bomb would work
The straw was metal
Even then lol
Homelander was literally built to be the upgrade. Homelander is just better. Cope, Soldier Simps.
Think about this in dragon ball z trunks sliced frieza in half with a regular sword. Does that make frieza just sword level? No. Dude can tank planets exploding while cut in half. It's the fact that trunks is the one swinging it is why it cuts through him.
So back to the boys Maeve is swinging thag metal straw with more precision and power than guns.
Not the same at all buddy..
Dragon Ball Z characters can amp their hands or weapons they're using with ki. (Goku amped his finger with ki via ki control, so his finger wouldn't get sliced off) when trunks was using his sword against him
That's a very easy explanation on why that sword worked.
So in short trunks likely used a ki enhanced strike to do that.
It's the same concept in One Piece anime. A character can pick up a random stick. Channel there energy AKA inner haki into that stick and make that stick really durable with invisible armor. To where they can strike beings and harm those said beings they're fighting that are top tier..
The boys doesn't use them type of concepts.
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable goku clearly amped his fingers. Trunks clearly did not Amp the sword. 🤦🤦 He didn't learn how until super. The same sword also shattered from android 18 blocking. So no ki Amp and same concept 🤦
Oh ok let me break it down.
First off trunks sword.
It’s never explained what it’s made of.
Second. There’s implications it wasn’t regular.
King cold literally picked up the sword ! Looked at it and analyzed it!
He Believing trunks only won the fight cause of the sword! Which implies. Something about doesn’t seem ordinary.
So comparing trunks sword to the metal straw from a cup isn’t anywhere near the same thing. A straw isn’t even a weapon. A sword is..
Dragonball isn’t the best at explaining every lil thing I admit but if u analyze it can be chalked up to ki amplifying… even if they don’t explain it every time something in the show happens…
That’s the only thing that makes sense… where as the boys characters don’t amp up there’s strikes or anything with energy or ki control like Dragonball.
How else do u think some wooden chopsticks can hurt beings like piccolo in the Dragonball super ! It can be chalked up to ki amplified weapons
Homelander has more abilities
But soldier boy is twice more physically stronger than homelander due to the aging factor of homelander
He got overpowerd by Homelander multiple times, he was losing 2v1 vs Homelander with butcher helping him
@@scerkann3966Soldier boy is visibly weaker after exploding.
@@rawhall1265 never confirmed just a theory Homelander is just stronger
@@scerkann3966 By your own Metric Homelander being stronger isn't confirmed either.
@@rawhall1265 it actually is they said soldier boy is almost as strong as Homelander
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