Stop using CLR IMMEDIATELY!!!
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2023
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If a manufacturer says CLR voids the warranty without giving a reason, they are just looking for ways to avoid the cost of warranty.
100%. Looks like I have new targets to investigate to figure out who are scamming customers.
If eric Cortina uses clr and a barrel maker says voids warranty then stop buying their barrels. Hecan put some pressure on them to justify their position. No good logical reason? Either cover the warranty of lose business.
Remington won't care, ooooh, lose one guy and his followers. But lower volume custom barrel makers need support in their buyers small circles.
Just about every firearm I've purchased had a statement in the manual that said shooting handloads would void the warranty... So that warranty shit was out the window before I ever cleaned the gun the first time anyway.
That’s a very good point
Kreiger: Did you clean your barrel with CLR?
Me: Hell NO! Who do you think I, am Erik Cortina! Hoppes #9 is ALL I NEED!🤣
I’ll stick with with CLR it is pretty quick and if I need warranty work I’ve never heard of CLR.
Same lol😂
You need to get rid of that bore scope, I figured that thing would of been sparkling clean until you had to get that scope out!!! 😂
@@charleywalker2982 what?
@@jsol4477 if he wouldn’t of had a borescope he would of thought that barrel was clean!!! Just funning with you. A borescope is the only way to tell if you have them clean.
Right... How would anyone know if the barrel had CLR in it at one point? Ridiculous. Just tell them "no, why would anyone use CLR on a gun?!"
I have used CLR now for 3 years straight. Absolutely zero damage or accuracy issues . I will keep using it. Also in my tests if i clean with wipe out only until the patches are white then run another patch through with CLR it is black again. CLR works. Yes I have a bore scope.
I am curious what the barrel manufacturers are concerned about. For decades the BR community has used everything imaginable to clean barrels. Off the top of my head I can’t recall one that caused problems with the barrel.
@@richardbriscoe8563The name begins like something Homer Simpson chokes.
This one the best videos on barrel cleaning. I have been bore scoping for about 20 years and just looking at patches will stir you wrong a lot. Thank you
I started using CLR after watching you and it works well. I'm not worried about voiding any warranty because the guns I've been using it on, well, the newest one is 40ish years old and the oldest about 123, LOL...I think those warranties have somewhat lapsed. My newer guns I have been using a carbon cleaner from Spartan but it takes a little more work. as always, Thanks.
I generally just use the foam Wipe Out product and leave it to soak overnight - everything appears to come out pretty clean when I look with my borescope.
But obviously I don’t have the time demands that you have. Thank you for the great tips as always!!
I've been using Iosso on all my firearms. And I use the Iosso triple action to clean and lube some of the areas on my presses as well because of how light of a lube it leaves behind.
I use almost the same "procedure", including IOSSO paste and Carb-out (no CLR though, don't need it). I put procedure in parenthesis because I adjust what I'm doing as needed. If IOSSO doesn't get it the first time I usually wrap a patch around a brush and put IOSSO paste on the patch if the borescope finds something. I'm going to cut back to one IOSSO cycle and soak with carb out. I'm also going to add the triple action oil step. The borescope, this channel, and the forum were game changers for me. I don't shoot competitively but I like the resulting small groups and the simpler loading and cleaning procedures that are discussed in all three places.
The video quality is excellent. Stepping up your game!
I have used Iosso cleaner for sometime now and really like using it. After watching your video with Speedy I started using Patch-out in conjunction with it. I have had fantastic results since, especially on first round impacts after cleaning.
I will continue to use CLR, it works great and see absolutely no reason to quit
I love those triangular patches for my 6.5 Creedmoor. Though I never see anyone else using them. At the range all the other precision shooters are using traditional square patches. Glad to see "the Expert" also uses the triangular ones.
It'd make a nice video to talk about the useful bore to patch size ratio.
Where you get those patches?
Great video thanks for sharing how to clean a rifle and the products to use.
I love wipeout I’ve been using it for years! Will continue using it. I don’t use the accelerator I just let it sit overnight. Works great for my hunting rifles when Time between cleans is not an issue. Just clean carbon out first then oil after the wipeout it’s beautiful. Extremely clean and safe
"Don't use CLR. If you do, we're going to void your warranty."
"Did you clean it with CLR?
You're gonna say yes
Guess what they're going to void your warranty. Even if the issue they have wasn't caused by CLR"
Sounds to me like some manufacturers need to read up on the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act here in the US. Because that's not an acceptable way to void a warranty. Would be like you installing some aftermarket tires on your car, then the manufacturer denying coverage on your heated seats that stop working... BS!
Why so much hate for poor old CLR here! lol
Techron fuel injector cleaner cleans carbon from engine top ends. I've used it, and my buddies dad used it on my recommendation after basically everything wouldn't take out the ring. He let it 5-10 minutes on a soaked patch around a brush came back and 1 patch of patch out after and it was gone immediately.
Bore cleaning videos are the best videos of Erik. It's like watching a tibetan monk practicing a meditation.
Wow, thanks! 😂
Hi Eric I’ve never tried CLR but carb out as you say is great it softens the carbon so it can then be brushed out like you I use the nylon brush, do you ever use a bronze brush? Great video keep them coming 👍
You should have tried the Lou Merdica drill method and showed us the bore scope pics. Many used gm top engine cleaner for carbon in Benchrest.
After watching one of your videos I used CLR to clean a suppressor brake that had tons of build up. CLR cleaned it like a champ. Cleaned the finish off the YHM brake also. Such is life.
I've met a lot of old shooters with some very weird cancers and illnesses. It may be worth protecting oneself from skin absorption of these hard chemicals.
Correct you are. Indoor ranges are deadly. Wear gloves and a respirator when needed.
I picked up some bore tech eliminator and that stuff works amazing compared to clp or anything else I've tried
I've used it for years, it's my go to and harmless really, nothing gets carbon and copper out along with everything else like Eliminator
Eds Red works great, is cheap, and easy to mix up. Unfortunately, most folks think if you don't pay 50 bucks for a 4 ounce bottle, it's no good.
I get brake cleaner and carb cleaner, 7 dollars for 2 12 ounces cans
@El_Peto Now don't you be telling everyone our secret! 😉
@@doghousedon1 entire g damned battalion comes by for a spray to clean out their machine gun chambers
Entirely worth that 7 dollars
I've been using bore tech c4 carbon remover.put some on a patch let it soak on your carbon ring and it's gone .haven't had to scrub a carbon ring .best I've used yet.
Amazing Eric👍👍 I've been using Sharp Shooter products and alcohol as the primary cleaner for barrels for years with a patch of Hoppe's #9 at the end just for the smell😉and haven't had any problems keeping barrels clean. Iosso brushes are the best, something about that blue color just makes em' work better. CLR works good in my coffee machine, no reason to doubt its effectiveness in a gun barrel. Voided warranty....Hogwash!
I usually worry about a warranty if it pertains to electronics or moving parts,not a piece of steel.
Wow, good to know.
Thanks Erik
You bet!
As a rifle builder, I tend to assemble my rifles from a list of components. so my rifles are never going back to "the factory" anyway. On the off chance I buy a completed rifle from someone else, they've got exacting one chance to get it right, after that I'll be taking care of whatever problems arise. Besides that, in my opinion, barrels are consumables, just like brake pads on a race car. Therefore, I will continue to use CLR for My Stainless Steel barrels as it has given excellent results.
After bore is cleaned use a final film of Hoppes
Kroil penetrating oil plus iosso soak a half hr, works good
I too use Carb out and patch out
I always love watching your videos, very informative, I noticed a nice protector piece over the stock between the butt of the gun and the action that I have never seen before, is that custom or is there a place I can get them
After years of cleaning barells for benchrest and testing it all. Thorro is the minimum of effort and time and give best perfect result to a low cost in my opinion. You make great videos Erik!
Thank you. Thorro is made by IOSSO.
Thorroclean is amazing. I bounce between it and Bortech C4/Cu+2
Another one: Flitz bore cleaner. Kind of messy but not abrasive and works very well. Had a terrible carbon ring on a rifle and spun a bronze brush around and around for a few minutes, cleaned the flitz out. Put in the borescope…no more ring. But it’s a little messy. So now I try to clean every time and if I do C4 takes care of it easily😊
I have used Seafoam on really hard to remove carbon.
@fergusonlandmanagementweld1039 Interesting. What's your process, use it like any old bore cleaner ?
Boretech c4 works really good for straight carbon.
That double rifle rack is nice, I had to break down and order one last time I placed and order with them.
I used to use Kroils for carbon removal but it's gotten expensive. CRC makes a penetrating oil called Knocker Loose that is better than Kroils.
@jamesdean8809. Thanks for the tip. going to try it tonight
The cva bore blaster gel and foam actually does remove rust
Used only ThorroClean at the last Super Shoot in St Louis. Had the guy from Hakaye how was there look through my barrel, and his remarks were it was very clean without any copper or carbon. At the time this barrel had 1500 rounds thru it. I clean after every group. Another reason to use Thorro is it is very mild on your skin. that is a bigger reason for me to use it.
Going to be honest I rarely clean barrels (and get better results because I'm not chasing perfection, just
You might try some 2000 grit scotch bright patches for hard carbon lubed with Kroil. At 2000 grit its way too fine to harm the barrel but it has enough grit to capture the carbon. Sometimes I put some IOSSO paste on the 2000 grit scotch bright patch.
I have been using this stuff to clean the cylinder on my stainless revolver for a few years with no problems.
For those in the US needing warranty, just quote the Magnuson-Moss Act. Voiding warranty for these reasons is illegal, unless they prove it to be the cause of damage.
THIS ^^
Go ahead and enforce that in civil court.
@@El_Peto it's not a civil issue, it's a legal federal issue. You report them to the FTC and they lose the ability to do business. Simply expressing knowledge about consumer rights is enough to get your warranty fullfilled 99% of the time.
@@danielrouw2593 it's a civil issue. Guess you missed that portion of law school
@@El_Peto it's only a civil issue if you the consumer choose to sue. The manufacturer choosing to violate the law is not a civil issue. Go back to school.
I didn't go to law school but i know how to use my brain and a basic search function.
www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/statutes/magnuson-moss-warranty-federal-trade-commission-improv
I've always wondered if the purple cleaner called SuperClean would take the carbon out better. You'd have to wear gloves because it takes all the oil out of your skin real deep. It worked good cleaning an engine one time. It's a definite way to get rid of oils for sure and it does go after carbon but not sure how well on a barrel.
Simple green works well also and is biodegradable..
I alternate CLR patch and bronze brush around 5-8 times… until way less black on patch. Then alternate patch out/accelerator and bronze brush around 5-8 times. Then borescope. Usually that’s enough… if not then I might apply JB bore paste on a patch.
If warranties keep you awake at night don’t use CLR. But if you want carbon out quick… CLR and bronze brush… go quick and limit dwell time. Alcohol and dry patches between different solvents. I finish my barrel with 2 wet patches of G96 CLP then a dry patch.
Cleaning is way faster and easier after 50rds than after 250rds !!!! I like fast and easy.
If your rifle has a stainless steel barrel, you can use a lead cleaning cloth. It's really effective for carbon and lead, but it also works on copper fouling.
Just cut off the right size and run it down the barrel.
I use it on my stainless steel pistol also. I've cleaned the barrel with hoppe's and a brush...then clean patches thinking it is clean. Then run the lead cloth and it comes out with carbon on it.
I enjoy leasing to you and learning new tips also .
God bless you
So nice of you
C4 boretech carbon remover works great.
"Why, NO, I'm not sure what CLR even is..." That's all you have to do.
No worries here, I’m sticking with CLR.
Would half expect that a manufacturer that would void a warranty before ever examining a allegedly defective product, as a out, lack efficacy and integrity, and would predispose me to never doing business with them again, and probably others, as word does get around.
carbon you get also in a furnace ,maybe a furnace cleaner could work
I understand the accuracy potential of my barrel before the first cleaning. Then I use CLR as necessary lol. I just can’t imagine a situation wherein I’d have already cleaned the barrel and afterward be going in for the warranty claim.
Man, all that and still have a carbon ring. I use C4 carbon remover, let it sit in the chamber for 10 minutes, give it a few twists with the patch, pull it out the chamber and then run one wet patch, two dry patches and it comes out perfectly clean with no carbon.
Erik ,great video as usual 👍
here another total different question:
how do you set seating depth steps of 0,003 " and measure them by caliper ??
I think he has a video in this , off the top of my head he uses a headspace guage I think but don’t quote me on this. His video explains it in detail.
@@charleywalker2982 I've see that video as well. good stuff
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I am a giant among men in that regard...Thanks for giving a solution to the problem and the demonstration.
Humble too
@@JamesPettinatolol
@@JamesPettinato Like I said, I could be wrong.
Not sure why you worded your comment as Erik being wrong? If you buy good barrels use your head when using CLR…it works very well. It really comes down each individual shooting level. What works great for me, you may not want to use.
Personally I think the barrel companies just want to use an excuse to throw someone under the bus. And avoid any responsibility. No different than saying a bronze brush can damage the barrel that made from steel 10x’s stronger
I mix up sometging similar to eds red and use a synthetic injector cleaner thatbworks really well on stubborn carbon. If it dont eat injector tips or aluminum heads it damn sure wont hurt a gun barrel.
What about “Butch’s Bore Shine”? Do have any experience with it? I’ve used it for years. It was recommended to me by someone who also shoots competitions.
I like the Boretech products a bunch but man CLR works better then anything I've ever used... just don't be a dummy and soak your barrel down and leave it in there for long periods of time. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
If I use C4 at low round count or right after shooting I have noticed C4 works extremely well with minimal effort. At least in my rifle
@@zgennaro Yeah man that's some good stuff and I use it also... if I haven't shot to many rounds and clean it every time it works great but I tend to shoot a bunch and don't clean my barrels every time like I should so I really like CLR for that along with abrasives just because it seems like it's speeds things along...
Did you get the carbon easier out with the CLR?
Seems like I have used everything under the sun. A long time ago I bought a tube of IOSSO, like a tube of tooth paste. It worked better than anything else I had ever used. I still have some of it, gotta be 20 years old. But lately I have been using the patch-out/Wipeout.
Looks like that might be the blue iosso brush but can I ask what jag you prefer to use?
I use CLR on all my rifles, followed by alcohol, then CPL.
I patch out, each time, and finish with Lanox ( an Australian product )
I like using Bore Tech Carbon Remover.
I use CLR for taking out the carbon in my ARs. It is the only thing I have found that will clean the bolt and barrel extension. It does not damage nitriding. It WILL remove bluing.
I would say, use a mfg approved cleaner on a new rifle until you know it has no issues, then use CLR. I'm new to reloading, are bushings to adjust neck tension necessary or worth it for precision? I'm loading a Howa 1500, 300 PRC.
Erik even though its a nylon brush would it not hurt your crown running it all the way out just wondering
Anybody notice if you use boretech c4 at very low round count the barrels cleans up very easily? Like less than 100 shots before cleanings.
Hi Eric,
Wondering what you think of the Bore Tech products?
P.S, I’ve been using CLR to soak my breechplugs for my muzzleloaders.
So no CLR, what about Free All? I use it and it incredibly effective on carbon, loosens it up and get a bunch out on first patch.
Baking soda and vinegar. Add Dawn to clean patch it out
I've tried several bore cleaning products and they all came up short. Recently I used Montana Extreme products, their Copper Killer and their Bore Solvent. I was so hopeful that these would work perfectly, especially since it contains Ammonia which is supposed to dissolve copper. It wasn't to be of course. I've let them sit in the barrel for over 2 hours and still it didn't do any better than anything else. I was very disappointed. I can't return it so I'll just use it up and find something else.
Kroil + JB is the only thing I've found that will TRULY clean out a bore. I would just rather have a chemical process as opposed to a mechanical one, but Kroil + JB is the best I've found so far. 30 to 50 strokes is all that's needed, and I don't have to let things soak for mins or hours.
30 to 50 strokes? Geez that's a lot, you must not clean them very often
@@PkwyDrive13 On a rough bore you'll need that many, maybe more. On my precision rifles it doesn't need nearly that many strokes because the bore is already smoother and sort of polished so fouling is much less anyways.
I still have lots of the old Barnes Copper remover. CLR CANT be harsher than Barnes?? Been using it 25 years and no issues.
What grease are you using on the bolt? Thanks!
The MSDS for CLR lists only two active ingredients. Neither would sound aggressive to me, but they are also very specific about not using CLR on any metals besides stainless steel and chrome.
Which also seems odd for a household plumbing/cleaning product. But apparently there is some basis for not using it on at least some barrels. Unless some barrel makers are just going hypercautious after finding something they're not talking about?
It for cosmetic reasons, it will eat away the bluing or other types of coatings. Thats why its only used on stainless, its phosphoric acid with detergents.
I appreciate how the barrel manufacturers may feel about CLR. But with that said
I reload a lot of old brass that I find at the range and restore for practice hunting loads and shooting time at the range. I soak the old brass in a bucket that I top off with CLR. And let me just say it cleans up the brass inside like no other and its cheap enough to really top off half or more of a 5 gallon bucket, even if you need to reduce some of the CLR with water just to save on volume.
Thanks!
No problem!
Cool video, pls try some thorro clean from bullet central, sure think u might like it...⚡️💥
It’s watered down IOSSO. IOSSO makes it. 😉
I know, please just try it.... Id love ur opinion.... Ill even pay for it, dump it if u hate it....
What jags do you use? Thank you sir.
What about diesel upper engine cleaner? Used to decarb and works a treat on far more precision equipment than a barrel?
Hello. First time watching you or your video(s). Good "Show and Tell" type explanation & instruction.
What I do not understand is why you do not use a wire bristle bore brush to clean out the carbon? It is your You Tube channel and your rifles so you can do what you want to.
Cloth patches should be used after some passes with the bore brush. Cloth patches and liquid cleaner could take a very long time. In the USMC and later in the Army we used wire bristle bore brushes, liquid bore / chamber cleaner, and then cloth patches. We shot many more rounds than single-shot Benchrest shooters do.
I imagine he is working on why be more aggressive than necessary. Also they'd like to get groups of a few inches at 1000yds not minute of man.
@@redrock425 ummm? How does wanting small groups at 1,000 yards justify not using a wire bristle bore brush? Especially after he saw there was still carbon in the barrel after only using liquid cleaner and cloth patches.
The Palma Matches are shot at 800, 900 and at 1,000 yards and those are shot by military riflemen from The U.K., U.S.A. and Canada.
What do you think about using diluted CLR to clean brass?
Wait, we have a warranty? Hows that work? I have a bunch of barrels that have 1800 to 3000 rounds on them that no longer perform as they once did.
LOL Right!!
I have been testing Kroil oil for cleaning , thoughts I have good results !
I've been using Kroil for over 40 years. Works great even on stubborn black powder residue.
Black powder residue is pretty much water-soluble.@@William_Charles_Baker
Unless the warranty has a spec (which CLR can't meet) for what should be used to clean the barrel or has an exclusion in writing that says you can't use CLR, they can't just void your warranty because you used it.
What grease do you use for your bolt?
I've never known a barrel maker to have a warranty. Maybe an accuracy gaurantee, but even those aren't much of a gaurantee.
sir...? What is this "warranty" you speak of? is there a year or number of rounds warranty? Details please
I wonder what carburetor carb cleaner would do? I spray that stuff on carbs, injectors and even EGR valves. It takes the carbon and gunk off of all that stuff.
After seeing how well it worked for you I have tried and it works amazingly. I don’t care about the warranty. I’m still using it. Plus it’s cheap.
I think everyone knows that most warranties don't cover anything. All of the small print protects every manufacturer with their warranty claims. It basically comes down to your warranty will be voided if you even put around through the barrel
DAM! I bought CLR in a 44 gallon barrel just to clean my barrels. Just kidding, but I bet you that the ingredients in CLR are most likely very similar to your typical cleaners. Love it when manufactures just void your warranty over products they haven't tested or may know very little in terms of how it reacts with their products.
Ive used brp engine tuner or sierra carbon free try it eric test it
Can any of you recommend a borescope that will fit inside a .177 barrel?
Where can you get accelerator and patch out? Not in loal stores that I've found. Gave Sharp Shootr cc number by phone but did not get product charge never applied to my cc. Disappointing i couldn't get it.
A manufacturer cannot simply say using CLR will void their warranty. I’d like to see them call out the warranty language that specifically indicates this. I’d call BS on this.
Have you tried gunzila or copperzila? Works great
"some manufacturers" Which ones? Beyond that I use CLR to clear lime off my bathtub or toilet. Never thought of using lime remover in a gun barrel.
Would it be good to follow with light oil in the bore until next time shooting?
They are using Lock Ease after cleaning is complete