Thanks Erik. I shoot Benchrest with Speedy and when Speedy Talks - People Listen. I appreciate you putting this video together. I believe everyone can benefit from learning how to properly clean their rifle barrels regardless of the discipline they shoot. Keep them coming!
While shooting benchrest are you holding the rifle in any way or is it on its' rests and you only look through the scope and touch off a very light trigger?
Taint nutt'n. I shoot the word with Jesus, cuz we friends, and when Jesus talks - People better listen. Dang, I sure wish they would start making barrels out of something harder than bronze, say steel perhaps. I especially hate it when the end of my barrel gets all belled out from the brass and fiber rod materials, harummppfff! Yes, I know even water will wear away a mountain and that is why I never use anything liquid in my barrels. Moral of the Story: Sometimes even the best shooters may be prone to shoot'n the BS. Just a tad skeptical. If you can provide legitimate documentation that normal use of a bronze brush will ruin a barrel I will humbly apologize as I'm not to proud to admit that I am wrong, even if Jesus is my friend. ;-)
@@14goldmedals I shoot both light and unlimited class 1000yd benchrest at Williamsport, Pennsylvania. When I shoot my shoulder is just against the but plate without putting any shoulder pressure against. If you put shoulder pressure against you will get all kinds of vertical and horizontal dispersion in your groups at 1000yds. I let my face just barley touch the stock but again no pressure against it the stock. Then my hand is just around the pistol grip area on both my wheeler LRB stocks with again no pressure. Both rifles have Jewell benchrest triggers set under 2ounces
@@OlTrailDog UA-cam randos that don't have the winning records of somebody like either of these two guys to fall back on while attempting to throw shade on them are even more prone to shoot'n the BS. How many of these benchrest shooters at the top of their game can you name who are still using bronze brushes? Know ANY of them? They aren't cleaning the barrel on a Remington or Winchester hunting rifle that only gets fired a few times a year - and gets cleaned a lot less than that. Nice thing is that we all get to decide who we think is more likely to be accurate in offering their advice and opinions. Guys who have been winning matches for decades... or UA-cam randos.
Poor Speedy , he cleans so much that even just standing there his arms are still going back and forth . Kidding , seriously thank you sir for sharing your knowledge with me . Just watching the 3 videos you guys made together is a blessing ! Speedy Sir , that smile is Awesome !
I've been using Speedys cleaning routine with great success for many years. I will add that while this most always applies to match grade barrels, it doesn't always work as well on factory barrels. I've had several hunting rifles (with questionable bores) that needed to be heavily fouled before they would shoot well. You'll have to experiment if you have such a rifle. Thanks again Speedy!!!
Thank you Erik for this video. There are 1000 videos on barrel cleaning techniques and products on UA-cam, while we small time shooters don't know who to trust. We can trust Speedy's method, because the effectiveness of his technique is manifested in his PRS achievements. Many thanks for this video.
I'll never shoot benchrest. I doubt I'll ever participate in any matches of any kind at all... I like to go out and ring steel at extended range, so if I can stay within 1/4 to 1/2 moa I call it good. But, if I work up a load that stacks them all in one hole I won't be mad... but I don't obsess over it. However, listening to Erik and Speedy has definitely helped improve my shooting. So I always listen to the lesson. For me, getting better for the sake of being better is more valuable than medals or accolades.
Thank you Eric for this and all of your videos. I am new to centerfire competition shooting and reloading. You do a great job of sharing knowledge and presenting these concepts in a way that someone new can understand. I see a lot of people explaining these concepts/methods/procedures in an overly complicated way that confuses and discourages new shooters. If you don’t understand how something actually works, you just end up copying what others do, not understand if it’s a good or a bad idea. Strong buildings are built on solid foundations. Thank you for your continued assistance as I am beginning to build my shooting foundation.
Great video Erik! First, I shoot PRS, and I clean my barrel to some degree after every session...If that's 50 rounds of practice or a 100 round match, I at least run some patches and give it a good brushing. A "light" cleaning doesn't seem to affect my first round accuracy. After a deep cleaning, 5 shots and I'm back on track. I also look at the carbon ring and assess how bad it is and then deep clean for that ring. I tend to believe that the pros saying they "clean every 500-600 rounds or when accuracy falls off" are, well, maybe not telling us the real story. Thanks again for getting one of the greats to give his perspective along with yours.
It is always a privledge to see and hear from Speedy G! An unbelievable BR marksman and good guy, to boot! A credit to shooting sports!!! Thanks for the cleaning tips and demonstration Speedy and thank you Erik for great interview questions and being the video host!
Erik, I have been shooting and reloading for rifles and handguns for over 50 years and always learn something new every day from your video's. Especially the way Speedy cleans his rifles, I always have had trouble getting the carbon and copper fouling out of my barrels. You a wonderful gift for presentation and explanation of your video points of interest. I'm in the process of reviewing all your video's regarding reloading rifle bullets. Please except my gratitude for taking the time to post your views on You Tube and I wish you much success in your future endeavors. Rob
Things change. Over time, solvents, equipment, and techniques improve and get refined. Dad was NBRSA National Champ in '75 or so, and my family would be at a match almost every other weekend when I was growing up. I was at Skunk Creek Range the day Mac McMillan shot his "almost perfect" group. Back then, we scrubbed the bores with bronze brushes dipped in Hoppe's No.9, dried it with a patch, and called it good. Thanks to you and Speedy for this.
I agree. I learned that older method too. I've been cleaning rifles this old way for so long. Now I feel like an idiot and not researching this sooner. He uses so little materials I'm sort of befuddled. There are so many other different methods out there.
Ours was just a couple of pieces of electrical conduit with a block of plywood between them, all held together with black electrical tape. Worked great and I still use the one I was using back in 1977. Haven't even replaced the tape.
Patch out got everything out of my old mosin Nagant hunting rifle and with my reloads it shoots better than a new hunting rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vids man
Wow, what an awesome video. I just spent around 7 hours yesterday cleaning something I never seen before. Immediately at the neck in the Freebore ,a ring of build up that after 11 shots made it impossible to get a round loaded. I was guessing using a new oil in the barrel after cleaning caused it. I noticed speedy didn't put any in. I didn't when I was done this time either. I've learned soooo much in the last year off Erik's videos.
Great video Erik! Speedy is an incredible guy, and his rifle knowledge seems endless. It’s also pretty cool listening to someone who is as nice as a guy can be.
Thank you for enlightened bore cleaning directions. May I add the following? Recommend using surgical gloves to keep all the chemicals out of your system. None are “harmless” I always use scope caps when cleaning, to prevent accidental contamination of my lenses by touch or stray droplets. I remove the magazine and fill the space with folded paper towel. I often noticed cleaning fluids seeping from the chamber into the magazine well and wood under it. Just me folks😊
As a non-competitive and not even frequent shooter, I still get so much out of these informational videos. I will say I did have trouble understanding Erik‘s commentary and words. I don’t know if it was my degrading hearing as I get older or microphone location. Possibly others had the same issue. Thanks for posting.
This is wonderful! I'm glad for whatever reason, my current cleaning method is not so far off from what Speedy does (although I'm pretty sure my set-up and my capability wouldn't notice the difference if I cleaned every 60 rds or every 600). Thanks Erik for including the link to the graphite stuff he used - that's one of the big things I'm not doing and didn't know about!
In PRS you need to go about 250 rounds without cleaning. If you clean between day 1 and day 2 at a lot of matches you will have no fouling shots available starting day 2. Your first 3 to 5 shots are generally at a lower velocity after a cleaning and this can mean a terrible first stage of day 2. The reality of PRS is that 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to hit every target. Our rifles will stay 1/2 MOA for well over 250 rounds so don't worry about cleaning until after the match. I like to clean my barrel before a 2 day match and have at least 20 rounds fired before I start the match.
I'll disagree with everything you just said. 1 after cleaning the barrel has less resistance, so in my case I get higher velocity. 2. Most ranges have a 100 yds line or more before the match starts, both days for people to shoot before the match starts, so you can foul your bore and get dope. 3. Depending on the powder and barrel combo you might have to clean after the first day. I use winchester staball because I can find it and it's affordable and it yields great velocity with single digit ES SD numbers across a 10 shot string. The down side is its dirty. I tried going 2 days with out Cleaning and got a carbon ring built up which was grabbing the bullet and creating erratic pressures. I got a 0 on 1 stage, a 2 on the next and a 3 on the next stage. Then it broke and I cleaned the last stage which was a prone long distance stage, from 1000 out to 1250. My point is if I cleaned that rifle I wouldn't of dropped 20 spots on the 2nd day. It cost me big time. But it all depends on powder and barrel combo, for me I will clean every single day
@@joemass1023 and so what. If you read what I posted how is what I'm saying wrong? If I could get a cleaner burning powder then I would def clean less but I can't. And im not paying gunbroker prices for H4350 and I don't have the time to Hover on the internet looking for a deal on the right powder. So for me cleaning at 250 rounds is not gonna happen with the powder I got. In most of my rifles with a clean bore coated in lock ease I will get higher velocity untill it's fouled. IDC if he's a top shooter I have opinion on what works and he has his
Excellent. Thank you guys very sensible questions and definition clarity. It always helps in making decisions, applying funds and building a training program.
I have never understood the 'wait till accuracy falls off' to clean. As Speedy said, most of those shooters can't shoot well enough to know when accuracy falls off in the first place. I know this: if I start with a clean, cold barrel every time, that is a constant. I can't comprehend how shooting a dirty barrel helps anything. Thanks Eric and Speedy!
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not exactly right to say “wait until accuracy falls off” - these folks figure out how many rounds they can shoot consistently before accuracy falls off and then they always clean prior to that point.
Short answer: Depends on what you are shooting at. At distance, consistent velocity becomes a greater issue than rifle grouping size. Slightly dirty barrels have more consistent bullet speeds.
I was thinking about this video, Very well done, You keep going back to PRS shooters. Bench rest is a art and science,scores are measured in tenths, and it doesn;t matter the distance 25 yards or 1000 yards. A clean barrel is a happy barrel. F class hit the bloody 10 ring the most amount of times at a given distance. Both of these events gives the shooter plenty of time to clean or reload rounds between rounds. Its a rich mans sport. PRS as you know is a timed event. Maybe 20 stages at different distances. One doesn:t have time between stages to as I would say Piss About. As you know in PRS all you have to do is hit the target . A rifle of this type of build costs about $7500 Scope included. 1500 rounds throw the barrel away. Why clean it. New barrel is about $350 to 500 ready to go. I went to a PRS meet at Rockland Precision in Rockland PA . Spoke to the shooters. The majority of them all say the same thing about cleaning Why bother I'm not shooting groups. Hopes this helps you understand. Luck to you.
Strange,,,moisture was one of the evil, attributes of Molly, it was said that moisture would get behind the Molly and do bad things to a barrel I think Molly would have been better if it had a higher burn tolerance to temperature in place of Molly I use hexagonal boron nitride better known as HBN it has the same cold bore shot attributes as other people have already stated when speedy talks people listen he's a great guy
I think most people that get into match shooting that don’t understand the gunsmithing side, see the barrel as being an ideal constant. They need to look at the barrel as a constantly evolving consumable, because it is. Each one has a personality. I shoot a lot of disciplines. I tend to pick and choose what cleaning I use based on what my individual accuracy tolerance allows for the given cartridge/weapon system. But I’m constantly evolving too. Last year’s “best thing ever.” Might be this year’s taboo. But when a benchrest shooter/smith says he does such and such, I generally take heed. He knows and understands accuracy in its most pure and maddening form. He reloads on the range for the conditions, not just reading wind. He understands mechanical accuracy better than anyone and he measures groups in thousandths not minutes. I might not be able to use it in the field. But you can bet I will at least try to implement it into my own process. Mr. Gonzales has forgotten more about precision marksmanship that most will really know. Appreciate him taking the time to share. When I first started my shooting career UA-cam wasn’t there and *some of* the guys that were winning weren’t as forthcoming. Thank you!
Good info, thank you both for your time and expert experience. That you would share it speaks volumes of your character and the world is a better place for it.
Dang. I got so much out of this video! Thanks Eric! More videos of you and Speedy talking about accuracy subjects please. Folks stay to the end to get some tips on accurate hand loads too.
I used to use shooters choice, and JB brothers fine lapping compound for lapping, then Kroil and shooters choice 50/50 mix for range cleaning while firing Five rounds, run one patch. I was basically just lubing. But the Kroil kept copper from building up and causing the next bullet to gall more. Slippy slippy slippy!
WOW... My brain hurts after watching this! What a wealth of information. Definitely learned a few things today!! Thanks for putting this video together.
Lock ease, I'll have to get some of that for my old 300 rum. I've had it since 2005. The barrel looks like and old chip and tar road with large cracks and pot holes. But it still shoots awesome. I made 8 out of 20 shot impacts at a mile on a 2'x2' plate with it. And I see your tapered tuner is sold out. When are you thinking you'll have more available?
Speedy is THE GUY when it comes to precision rifles. I had the privilege of visiting his shop with another world class shooter Being a fly on the wall listening to those too was amazing. Thanks for the video Erik.
so much great information here. I shoot with a BR hall fame shooter as well. The knowledge you can gain from these folks is invaluable. Also, in the future it’s our job to pass it down. I use a Mike Lucas bore Guide. For any new shooters out there. The BORE GUIDE. is sooo soooo important. Always make sure you’re cleaning with one. great video!!
Thanks Erik & Speedy..Great Video. I clean my barrel after every ELR Match.We are not shooting F Class or BenchRest..We shoot from 1200 yards to 3,000 yards and farther.If we shoot a good groupon that 36 in x 36 in steelplate Im happy. There are much better shooters that me in ELR.Im pretty new to the ELR game. I do use my EC TunerBrake...LOL
Thanks a lot. I was under the impression that most BR guys and lots of F-CLASS(You included Eric) used some sort of abrasive bore paste(JB or IOSSO) to facilitate quicker cleaning. Is this no longer the case or just Speedy's preference to avoid it? I can imagine that if you're cleaning every 20 rounds the small amount of fouling may let the solvents do the job by themselves.
@@comagutsa Thanks, I actually shoot BR in Canada but only for score and my local guys generally clean to bare metal after each match(35-40) rounds depending on sighters). I was just curious if there had been a recent change and why that would have taken place.
That was some EHXcellent gun cleaning advice!! Been shooting these kind of rifles since 1991. Think I'd developed a few bad habits along the way. Now that the kids are out of school, and all are married off, it's time to start backup.
When Speedy closed shop in Texas (without finishing my rifle build), he took my Rem 700 VSSF action with him. His old Co workers told me good luck ever getting it back.
I use to use Boretech which is absolutely great solvent. Speedy's friend Bud who I shoot Light and Unlimited Class 1000yd benchrest with and who is a good friend of mine is a personal dealer of these solvents and they are what I use now. All my rifles weather I shoot them 3 times or 50 times in one day they get cleaned properly that evening
I use cheap sca disel fuel injector cleaner and copper brush for my deep clean. I find it loosens carbon really well and black soot runs out of the barrel. Then I hoppies 9 cleaner with patches and finally bore snake and oil.😮
When you have a fancy rig to hold all your cleaning rods you're in the big leagues!!! LOL This was a great video I love learning the reasons yall do what yall do even though I don't do any of it it's just interesting to me.
Wow!!!! I hate reaching in with my finger into the action to make sure the lube actually stays on the lugs! Never thought about it but holding the trigger allows the lube to not scrape right off!!! That is so simple but "you don't know, what you don't know... til you know it!" Love this stuff thanks Erik! Speedy your a legend!!!
As an average proficient shooter my biggest concern with not cleaning is potential damage during storage. I just don't feel comfortable storing my firearm dirty for months. Yeah, if I'm going hunting in two weeks and I want to maintain point of impact, sure, you don't clean. But to me storing a dirty barrel for months and months is asking for trouble. At least patch it out a few times with CLP to get rid of most of the carbon fouling and coat the barrel with oil.
amazing video.something i did notice is when he uses the nylon brush,he pushes it towards the muzzle and then he pulls it back towards the chamber.Doesnt that usually damage the crown? maybe nylon brushes are more forgiving to crown damage? just enquiring. On the other note i love your videos and its really helped me improve my shooting.
Another great video Erik. The thing about filling up the cracks with graphite was new. I did not pick up what Speedy use. Was is a mix with Kroil and graphite powder?
grazie Erik per tutti i video interessanti che proponi. Volevo fare una domanda: la grafite colloidale che utilizzi in questo video, ha delle specifiche particolari o posso acquistare una qualsiasi grafite colloidale di qualsiasi marca? quella che tu utilizzi che marca è????? ti ringrazio in anticipo.
Speedy says PRS shooters don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell if their rifle is falling off? I’d like to see Speedy shoot a PRS match. I respect Speedy and his knowledge but that was cheap.
I don't know anything but I got that in BR he wants his groups to be the size of 1 bullet, where in PRS the group is whether the steel is hit or not, harder to tell if group begins to widen until you've missed the steel and lost the match
@@johnh4957 I get that BR is a different game, but he spoke to ability, not rules of the game. I’ve said for years that one MOA will win every PRS match because the positions are the challenge. I guarantee you put speedy in that environment and hand him your typical open rig, Speedy wouldn’t be able to tell if the rifle was falling off from its .2s and .3s at baseline to .5s during a match. On the flip side, on the rare paper stages and zero confirmations, we can tell if our rifle needs cleaned. I appreciate and agree with both men’s position to clean before a barrel falls off, but not Speedo’s motion about the ability of PRS shooters.
@@graynotescartridgebox Nothing to do with ability but the level of precision required. PRS shooters aren't going to notice a quarter of an inch increase in group, it doesn't matter to them, a BR shooter will definitely notice. Horses for courses.
I have to remind these guys often that it’s not about waiting until accuracy falls off…it’s figuring out where the accuracy typically falls off and then always cleaning prior to that. In my experience it’s just as consistent as cleaning after every range trip.
I would be interested in hearing comparisons to 22lr benchrest shooting and cleaning. Most don't reload .22lr ammo. The pressures are a lot less. Any observations he might have would be interesting to hear.
Thanks Erik. I shoot Benchrest with Speedy and when Speedy Talks - People Listen. I appreciate you putting this video together. I believe everyone can benefit from learning how to properly clean their rifle barrels regardless of the discipline they shoot. Keep them coming!
While shooting benchrest are you holding the rifle in any way or is it on its' rests and you only look through the scope and touch off a very light trigger?
Taint nutt'n. I shoot the word with Jesus, cuz we friends, and when Jesus talks - People better listen. Dang, I sure wish they would start making barrels out of something harder than bronze, say steel perhaps. I especially hate it when the end of my barrel gets all belled out from the brass and fiber rod materials, harummppfff! Yes, I know even water will wear away a mountain and that is why I never use anything liquid in my barrels. Moral of the Story: Sometimes even the best shooters may be prone to shoot'n the BS. Just a tad skeptical. If you can provide legitimate documentation that normal use of a bronze brush will ruin a barrel I will humbly apologize as I'm not to proud to admit that I am wrong, even if Jesus is my friend. ;-)
@@14goldmedals I shoot both light and unlimited class 1000yd benchrest at Williamsport, Pennsylvania. When I shoot my shoulder is just against the but plate without putting any shoulder pressure against. If you put shoulder pressure against you will get all kinds of vertical and horizontal dispersion in your groups at 1000yds. I let my face just barley touch the stock but again no pressure against it the stock. Then my hand is just around the pistol grip area on both my wheeler LRB stocks with again no pressure. Both rifles have Jewell benchrest triggers set under 2ounces
@@OlTrailDog UA-cam randos that don't have the winning records of somebody like either of these two guys to fall back on while attempting to throw shade on them are even more prone to shoot'n the BS. How many of these benchrest shooters at the top of their game can you name who are still using bronze brushes?
Know ANY of them?
They aren't cleaning the barrel on a Remington or Winchester hunting rifle that only gets fired a few times a year - and gets cleaned a lot less than that.
Nice thing is that we all get to decide who we think is more likely to be accurate in offering their advice and opinions. Guys who have been winning matches for decades... or UA-cam randos.
That was incredible. Thank You Speedy. Thank You Erik. That was a lifetime of experience in 20min.
Poor Speedy , he cleans so much that even just standing there his arms are still going back and forth . Kidding , seriously thank you sir for sharing your knowledge with me . Just watching the 3 videos you guys made together is a blessing ! Speedy Sir , that smile is Awesome !
I've been using Speedys cleaning routine with great success for many years. I will add that while this most always applies to match grade barrels, it doesn't always work as well on factory barrels. I've had several hunting rifles (with questionable bores) that needed to be heavily fouled before they would shoot well. You'll have to experiment if you have such a rifle. Thanks again Speedy!!!
Thank you two so much. So nice to be passing on your wisdom.
Thank you Erik for this video. There are 1000 videos on barrel cleaning techniques and products on UA-cam, while we small time shooters don't know who to trust. We can trust Speedy's method, because the effectiveness of his technique is manifested in his PRS achievements. Many thanks for this video.
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I'll never shoot benchrest. I doubt I'll ever participate in any matches of any kind at all... I like to go out and ring steel at extended range, so if I can stay within 1/4 to 1/2 moa I call it good. But, if I work up a load that stacks them all in one hole I won't be mad... but I don't obsess over it.
However, listening to Erik and Speedy has definitely helped improve my shooting. So I always listen to the lesson. For me, getting better for the sake of being better is more valuable than medals or accolades.
Thank you Eric for this and all of your videos. I am new to centerfire competition shooting and reloading. You do a great job of sharing knowledge and presenting these concepts in a way that someone new can understand. I see a lot of people explaining these concepts/methods/procedures in an overly complicated way that confuses and discourages new shooters. If you don’t understand how something actually works, you just end up copying what others do, not understand if it’s a good or a bad idea. Strong buildings are built on solid foundations. Thank you for your continued assistance as I am beginning to build my shooting foundation.
Great video Erik! First, I shoot PRS, and I clean my barrel to some degree after every session...If that's 50 rounds of practice or a 100 round match, I at least run some patches and give it a good brushing. A "light" cleaning doesn't seem to affect my first round accuracy. After a deep cleaning, 5 shots and I'm back on track. I also look at the carbon ring and assess how bad it is and then deep clean for that ring. I tend to believe that the pros saying they "clean every 500-600 rounds or when accuracy falls off" are, well, maybe not telling us the real story. Thanks again for getting one of the greats to give his perspective along with yours.
It is always a privledge to see and hear from Speedy G! An unbelievable BR marksman and good guy, to boot! A credit to shooting sports!!! Thanks for the cleaning tips and demonstration Speedy and thank you Erik for great interview questions and being the video host!
Speedy is the best! I was fortunate enough to be his student for three years and learn everything from him!
very cool
What an internship! I am so jealous.
Wow, great move Erik. So good getting Speedy on video. Great hearing his comments. Thank you.
This is awesome, thanks for sharing Speedy and Erik!
Eric👍👍 Thanks for the talk and demo with Speedy. Much appreciated. Smart people on this channel😉
Erik,
I have been shooting and reloading for rifles and handguns for over 50 years and always learn something new every day from your video's.
Especially the way Speedy cleans his rifles, I always have had trouble getting the carbon and copper fouling out of my barrels.
You a wonderful gift for presentation and explanation of your video points of interest. I'm in the process of reviewing all your video's regarding reloading rifle bullets. Please except my gratitude for taking the time to post your views on You Tube and I wish you much success in your future endeavors.
Rob
Things change. Over time, solvents, equipment, and techniques improve and get refined. Dad was NBRSA National Champ in '75 or so, and my family would be at a match almost every other weekend when I was growing up. I was at Skunk Creek Range the day Mac McMillan shot his "almost perfect" group. Back then, we scrubbed the bores with bronze brushes dipped in Hoppe's No.9, dried it with a patch, and called it good. Thanks to you and Speedy for this.
Yes. And I learned and used the same process.
Now wondering why I've never shot something close to a perfect group. :)
I agree. I learned that older method too. I've been cleaning rifles this old way for so long. Now I feel like an idiot and not researching this sooner. He uses so little materials I'm sort of befuddled. There are so many other different methods out there.
Your all good just clean #9 wit copper remover git it
I am fascinated by his caddy for his cleaning rods.
Me and you both dude! That's quite the setup.
Ours was just a couple of pieces of electrical conduit with a block of plywood between them, all held together with black electrical tape. Worked great and I still use the one I was using back in 1977. Haven't even replaced the tape.
It's amazing how much I learned in just 21 minutes. Thank you both.
Patch out got everything out of my old mosin Nagant hunting rifle and with my reloads it shoots better than a new hunting rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vids man
Wow, what an awesome video. I just spent around 7 hours yesterday cleaning something I never seen before. Immediately at the neck in the Freebore ,a ring of build up that after 11 shots made it impossible to get a round loaded. I was guessing using a new oil in the barrel after cleaning caused it. I noticed speedy didn't put any in. I didn't when I was done this time either.
I've learned soooo much in the last year off Erik's videos.
Great video Erik! Speedy is an incredible guy, and his rifle knowledge seems endless. It’s also pretty cool listening to someone who is as nice as a guy can be.
What a wealth of information you and Speedy are. Thanks for sharing this.
The chamber brush oversized is genius. Definitely doing this from here on out. Thanks gentlemen.
Love that video. So much more than just cleaning a barrel. Love to hear the og’s talk
Thank you for enlightened bore cleaning directions.
May I add the following?
Recommend using surgical gloves to keep all the chemicals out of your system. None are “harmless”
I always use scope caps when cleaning, to prevent accidental contamination of my lenses by touch or stray droplets.
I remove the magazine and fill the space with folded paper towel.
I often noticed cleaning fluids seeping from the chamber into the magazine well and wood under it.
Just me folks😊
Observation and act upon it. Correctamundo sir
As a non-competitive and not even frequent shooter, I still get so much out of these informational videos. I will say I did have trouble understanding Erik‘s commentary and words. I don’t know if it was my degrading hearing as I get older or microphone location. Possibly others had the same issue. Thanks for posting.
One thing I started using is plugging in a headset, and by passing the computer/phone speakers!
earplugs worked for me but I miss some technical words.
Thanks Erik! Love listening to Speedy’s knowledge!
This is wonderful! I'm glad for whatever reason, my current cleaning method is not so far off from what Speedy does (although I'm pretty sure my set-up and my capability wouldn't notice the difference if I cleaned every 60 rds or every 600). Thanks Erik for including the link to the graphite stuff he used - that's one of the big things I'm not doing and didn't know about!
I love when Speedy makes appearances on this channel. Great upload!
Very interesting video!
When you have a holster for your cleaning rods. You are the man. Thank you
In PRS you need to go about 250 rounds without cleaning. If you clean between day 1 and day 2 at a lot of matches you will have no fouling shots available starting day 2. Your first 3 to 5 shots are generally at a lower velocity after a cleaning and this can mean a terrible first stage of day 2. The reality of PRS is that 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to hit every target. Our rifles will stay 1/2 MOA for well over 250 rounds so don't worry about cleaning until after the match. I like to clean my barrel before a 2 day match and have at least 20 rounds fired before I start the match.
I'll disagree with everything you just said.
1 after cleaning the barrel has less resistance, so in my case I get higher velocity.
2. Most ranges have a 100 yds line or more before the match starts, both days for people to shoot before the match starts, so you can foul your bore and get dope.
3. Depending on the powder and barrel combo you might have to clean after the first day. I use winchester staball because I can find it and it's affordable and it yields great velocity with single digit ES SD numbers across a 10 shot string. The down side is its dirty. I tried going 2 days with out Cleaning and got a carbon ring built up which was grabbing the bullet and creating erratic pressures. I got a 0 on 1 stage, a 2 on the next and a 3 on the next stage. Then it broke and I cleaned the last stage which was a prone long distance stage, from 1000 out to 1250. My point is if I cleaned that rifle I wouldn't of dropped 20 spots on the 2nd day. It cost me big time. But it all depends on powder and barrel combo, for me I will clean every single day
You might want to Google the name of the guy you responded to.
@@fandango_buttlicks you just told one of the top prs shooters in the world hes wrong 😂😂😂
Austin i agree ill clean a barrel after a match and usually go foul before I leave for the match check data and call it a day
@@joemass1023 and so what. If you read what I posted how is what I'm saying wrong? If I could get a cleaner burning powder then I would def clean less but I can't. And im not paying gunbroker prices for H4350 and I don't have the time to Hover on the internet looking for a deal on the right powder. So for me cleaning at 250 rounds is not gonna happen with the powder I got. In most of my rifles with a clean bore coated in lock ease I will get higher velocity untill it's fouled. IDC if he's a top shooter I have opinion on what works and he has his
my mouth is shut and my ears are open ! thanks kindly for this video Erik ! thanks Speedy!
Excellent. Thank you guys very sensible questions and definition clarity. It always helps in making decisions, applying funds and building a training program.
Love you guys . Glade to see you too having some fun while handing out some great information.
I have never understood the 'wait till accuracy falls off' to clean. As Speedy said, most of those shooters can't shoot well enough to know when accuracy falls off in the first place. I know this: if I start with a clean, cold barrel every time, that is a constant. I can't comprehend how shooting a dirty barrel helps anything. Thanks Eric and Speedy!
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not exactly right to say “wait until accuracy falls off” - these folks figure out how many rounds they can shoot consistently before accuracy falls off and then they always clean prior to that point.
variables=bad
constants=good !!
Short answer:
Depends on what you are shooting at. At distance, consistent velocity becomes a greater issue than rifle grouping size. Slightly dirty barrels have more consistent bullet speeds.
I was thinking about this video, Very well done, You keep going back to PRS shooters. Bench rest is a art and science,scores are measured in tenths, and it doesn;t matter the distance 25 yards or 1000 yards. A clean barrel is a happy barrel. F class hit the bloody 10 ring the most amount of times at a given distance. Both of these events gives the shooter plenty of time to clean or reload rounds between rounds. Its a rich mans sport. PRS as you know is a timed event. Maybe 20 stages at different distances. One doesn:t have time between stages to as I would say Piss About. As you know in PRS all you have to do is hit the target . A rifle of this type of build costs about $7500 Scope included. 1500 rounds throw the barrel away. Why clean it. New barrel is about $350 to 500 ready to go. I went to a PRS meet at Rockland Precision in Rockland PA . Spoke to the shooters. The majority of them all say the same thing about cleaning Why bother I'm not shooting groups. Hopes this helps you understand. Luck to you.
Great stuff, as usual Erik (and Speedy). I never thought about copper attracting moisture if left in the barrel.
Strange,,,moisture was one of the evil, attributes of Molly, it was said that moisture would get behind the Molly and do bad things to a barrel I think Molly would have been better if it had a higher burn tolerance to temperature in place of Molly I use hexagonal boron nitride better known as HBN it has the same cold bore shot attributes as other people have already stated when speedy talks people listen he's a great guy
I think most people that get into match shooting that don’t understand the gunsmithing side, see the barrel as being an ideal constant. They need to look at the barrel as a constantly evolving consumable, because it is. Each one has a personality. I shoot a lot of disciplines. I tend to pick and choose what cleaning I use based on what my individual accuracy tolerance allows for the given cartridge/weapon system. But I’m constantly evolving too. Last year’s “best thing ever.” Might be this year’s taboo. But when a benchrest shooter/smith says he does such and such, I generally take heed. He knows and understands accuracy in its most pure and maddening form. He reloads on the range for the conditions, not just reading wind. He understands mechanical accuracy better than anyone and he measures groups in thousandths not minutes. I might not be able to use it in the field. But you can bet I will at least try to implement it into my own process. Mr. Gonzales has forgotten more about precision marksmanship that most will really know. Appreciate him taking the time to share. When I first started my shooting career UA-cam wasn’t there and *some of* the guys that were winning weren’t as forthcoming. Thank you!
Good info, thank you both for your time and expert experience. That you would share it speaks volumes of your character and the world is a better place for it.
I didn’t know speedy was left handed. Never met him but read a lot about him as a legendary benchrest gunsmith and shooter.
Dang. I got so much out of this video! Thanks Eric! More videos of you and Speedy talking about accuracy subjects please. Folks stay to the end to get some tips on accurate hand loads too.
I used to use shooters choice, and JB brothers fine lapping compound for lapping, then Kroil and shooters choice 50/50 mix for range cleaning while firing Five rounds, run one patch. I was basically just lubing. But the Kroil kept copper from building up and causing the next bullet to gall more. Slippy slippy slippy!
Wow - thanks so much for this!! Lock ease makes so much sense but that’s the missing ingredient from my routine!
Thank you Eric and Speedy !
Great informative interview with Speedy. Thank you...
Thank you for sharing your expertise. Always informative and always entertaining
WOW... My brain hurts after watching this! What a wealth of information. Definitely learned a few things today!! Thanks for putting this video together.
I could listen to you guys all day...
Lock ease, I'll have to get some of that for my old 300 rum. I've had it since 2005. The barrel looks like and old chip and tar road with large cracks and pot holes. But it still shoots awesome. I made 8 out of 20 shot impacts at a mile on a 2'x2' plate with it. And I see your tapered tuner is sold out. When are you thinking you'll have more available?
Speedy is THE GUY when it comes to precision rifles. I had the privilege of visiting his shop with another world class shooter Being a fly on the wall listening to those too was amazing. Thanks for the video Erik.
so much great information here. I shoot with a BR hall fame shooter as well. The knowledge you can gain from these folks is invaluable. Also, in the future it’s our job to pass it down. I use a Mike Lucas bore Guide. For any new shooters out there. The BORE GUIDE. is sooo soooo important. Always make sure you’re cleaning with one. great video!!
Great to see ya' this morning . I hope all of you there at Exile stay safe and dry today .
Thanks Erik & Speedy..Great Video.
I clean my barrel after every ELR Match.We are not shooting F Class or BenchRest..We shoot from 1200 yards to 3,000 yards and farther.If we shoot a good groupon that 36 in x 36 in steelplate Im happy. There are much better shooters that me in ELR.Im pretty new to the ELR game. I do use my EC TunerBrake...LOL
Thanks a lot. I was under the impression that most BR guys and lots of F-CLASS(You included Eric) used some sort of abrasive bore paste(JB or IOSSO) to facilitate quicker cleaning. Is this no longer the case or just Speedy's preference to avoid it? I can imagine that if you're cleaning every 20 rounds the small amount of fouling may let the solvents do the job by themselves.
We still isso and bore paste but not everytime.. about every 200 rounds give or take depending on how fast the barrel/neck carbons up
@@comagutsa Thanks, I actually shoot BR in Canada but only for score and my local guys generally clean to bare metal after each match(35-40) rounds depending on sighters). I was just curious if there had been a recent change and why that would have taken place.
Polish wit oil makes clean slick bore accuracy works too imagine that
Thank you both
Great video, maybe best ever but you have many good ones. I started using Patch out a year ago and I gained a world of knowledge this morning.
Speedy, Eric you guys rock! Thanks!
Great video! Thanks Eric and Speedy
Thank you both!
Great video. Like the tip of using lock ease graphite to simulate the fouling shot. I gotta try that and see if it works for me.
I thought that was pretty interesting too. Gotta give it a try myself.
Erik your human there's hope for us all?
Well done for sharing & making such a memorable training video.
"If I don't know the answer I'll make it up." 😆
One of the most informative videos I've seen on UA-cam!! Fantastic!
Wow, thanks!
That was some EHXcellent gun cleaning advice!!
Been shooting these kind of rifles since 1991. Think I'd developed a few bad habits along the way.
Now that the kids are out of school, and all are married off, it's time to start backup.
This is all new to me. I have semi auto guns that I've ran suppressed for thousands of rounds since they've been cleaned.
CLR will clean the carbon off this breaks easily. Just soak them for about an hour or two and you’ll see how much carbon comes off of them.
You should ask Speedy to do one on Rifle and Scope bedding! plzzzz!!!!
Great VDO guys! Thank you very much!
Thank you for the video! Man I would love to have Speedy build a rifle for me. He sure knows what he is doing
Almost the time of year to watch you concrete video again. That is so funny!
Great video, thanks to both of you, looking forward to more videos!
When Speedy closed shop in Texas (without finishing my rifle build), he took my Rem 700 VSSF action with him. His old Co workers told me good luck ever getting it back.
I use to use Boretech which is absolutely great solvent. Speedy's friend Bud who I shoot Light and Unlimited Class 1000yd benchrest with and who is a good friend of mine is a personal dealer of these solvents and they are what I use now. All my rifles weather I shoot them 3 times or 50 times in one day they get cleaned properly that evening
Awesome! It's always great to learn from the pro shooters 👌 👍🏼
you guys are great such knowledge you guys have and thanks for sharing
Love listening to speedy
Thks Erik
I use cheap sca disel fuel injector cleaner and copper brush for my deep clean. I find it loosens carbon really well and black soot runs out of the barrel. Then I hoppies 9 cleaner with patches and finally bore snake and oil.😮
When you have a fancy rig to hold all your cleaning rods you're in the big leagues!!! LOL This was a great video I love learning the reasons yall do what yall do even though I don't do any of it it's just interesting to me.
Great Video, thank you both.
Thank you both such a great wealth of information from experience !
Great information. I have been educated. Thanks for sharing.
Wow!!!! I hate reaching in with my finger into the action to make sure the lube actually stays on the lugs! Never thought about it but holding the trigger allows the lube to not scrape right off!!! That is so simple but "you don't know, what you don't know... til you know it!"
Love this stuff thanks Erik! Speedy your a legend!!!
Amazing simple no nonsense…excellent video !
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
As an average proficient shooter my biggest concern with not cleaning is potential damage during storage. I just don't feel comfortable storing my firearm dirty for months. Yeah, if I'm going hunting in two weeks and I want to maintain point of impact, sure, you don't clean. But to me storing a dirty barrel for months and months is asking for trouble. At least patch it out a few times with CLP to get rid of most of the carbon fouling and coat the barrel with oil.
Awesome video, love to hear Speedy explain things and why it's done that way.
amazing video.something i did notice is when he uses the nylon brush,he pushes it towards the muzzle and then he pulls it back towards the chamber.Doesnt that usually damage the crown? maybe nylon brushes are more forgiving to crown damage? just enquiring. On the other note i love your videos and its really helped me improve my shooting.
I don't think his nylon brush is fully exiting the barrel? But yes, I would think nylon brushes impart little to no wear on the rifling.
Another great video Erik. The thing about filling up the cracks with graphite was new. I did not pick up what Speedy use. Was is a mix with Kroil and graphite powder?
A product called lock-ease 🙂
Could you list the products he used for those of us that are not familiar with this?
Yes! Same here
grazie Erik per tutti i video interessanti che proponi. Volevo fare una domanda: la grafite colloidale che utilizzi in questo video, ha delle specifiche particolari o posso acquistare una qualsiasi grafite colloidale di qualsiasi marca? quella che tu utilizzi che marca è????? ti ringrazio in anticipo.
Excellent video! Thank you!
Speedy says PRS shooters don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell if their rifle is falling off?
I’d like to see Speedy shoot a PRS match. I respect Speedy and his knowledge but that was cheap.
I don't know anything but I got that in BR he wants his groups to be the size of 1 bullet, where in PRS the group is whether the steel is hit or not, harder to tell if group begins to widen until you've missed the steel and lost the match
@@johnh4957 I get that BR is a different game, but he spoke to ability, not rules of the game. I’ve said for years that one MOA will win every PRS match because the positions are the challenge. I guarantee you put speedy in that environment and hand him your typical open rig, Speedy wouldn’t be able to tell if the rifle was falling off from its .2s and .3s at baseline to .5s during a match. On the flip side, on the rare paper stages and zero confirmations, we can tell if our rifle needs cleaned.
I appreciate and agree with both men’s position to clean before a barrel falls off, but not Speedo’s motion about the ability of PRS shooters.
@@graynotescartridgebox Nothing to do with ability but the level of precision required. PRS shooters aren't going to notice a quarter of an inch increase in group, it doesn't matter to them, a BR shooter will definitely notice. Horses for courses.
@@redrock425 that wasn’t the way he said it. Do you shooters PRS?
I have to remind these guys often that it’s not about waiting until accuracy falls off…it’s figuring out where the accuracy typically falls off and then always cleaning prior to that. In my experience it’s just as consistent as cleaning after every range trip.
good information in this video thanks Eric and Speedy
I would be interested in hearing comparisons to 22lr benchrest shooting and cleaning. Most don't reload .22lr ammo. The pressures are a lot less. Any observations he might have would be interesting to hear.
I learned some new things, wish I could pick his and your brain. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for sharing such valuable information.
Great knowledge shared here. Thank you.
Consistency = Accuracy. Cleaning before each match reduces variables. If you want consistency you have to start from the same "cleanliness" each time.
thank you very much for the video .
Great information, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the knowledge