My first apothecary in ssf is also from mob, but I get in trade you can spam 500% strongbox so no point of doing something else if you have x5 loot on strongboxes (or 6)
In duos this league we have gotten 8 Apothecaries in 392 maps. Only one was from strongbox, so the quant definitely works. 121% quant on windripper iceshot deadeye
@@MrRaqal damn that's awesome. I think we've been relatively unlucky. Last league our average was 1 in 30 maps. We've had dry streaks with absolutely no cards (including enlightened) of 20-30 maps multiple times. It's been very strange
I mean i realised theres some kind of weird roof for party play, the amount of loot with 5 additional people is waaaaay better than having 3 additiinal people, like the value jumps greatly, when i run with randoms with full parties on crimson temple, the guy just drops an apothecary every 5 maps or smthin
I think there is diminishing returns on party bonus. So a 6 man will drop more loot than a 3 man. But two 3 mans will drop more loot than one 6 man. Something like that, although two 3 mans will need to pay for double the map cost than a single 6 man.
Thanks for the stats on diminishing return. Confirm what everyone sort of knew. Just a small sacrifice like maybe 2 ventors and goldwyrm gives the most return without losing too much damage/defenses. People always see it as a all or nothing proposition where you must sacrifice everything to have MF on all slots. But using greed embrace for example may reduce your loot because you lose so much equipping that thing. Same for sadima where you basically are using a white pair of gloves with a corrupt implicit. One thing that would be cool is if GGG would consider adding new MF items. All we are using now are the same items as 5+ years ago, nothing ever changed. They know all the IIQ items are popular, they just don't wanna add more options. They wouldn't need to be overly strong, just gives more options than sadimas.
I farm solo Crimson 80% deli with 50% IQ on gear (without enraged sextant), near 10 maps/h. Div cards pretty consistent. For now get 2 Apo. But i able to farm scarabs for the baseline profit, play solo, clear juice deli maps fast and smooth. So i guess 50-70 IQ on strong build is best range to not sacrifice a lot of power/qol/mapping speed. Cause killing 1M mobs 10 time faster is better than kill em super slow with high quant.
I've tried MF two leagues before. Had insane gear HH and multiple mirrors worth of gear. I only play solo. I know statistically MF is better for more loot. However my anecdotal evidence says the opposite. I've made more money without MF and had way more fun with more survivability and damage.
Is this graph about IIQ and IIR related only for player items with IIQ and IIR or does it work the same with map IIQ and IIR. For example boots with 20% IIQ + map with 80% IIQ is the same as no IIQ on gear + map with 100% IIQ?
Great video as always) i have question about build itself - what about budget version, will it work without party/without hh? i mean obviously i dont expect it to run 100% deli, but will it fill decent without party and hh on regular maps mf?
People misunderstand the way in which IIQ diminishes. It diminishes with currency rarity, the same way IIR diminishes with item rarity. With +1000% IIR, you get +1000% magic items, but logarithmically fewer rare items and more pronounced logarithmically fewer unique items. Similarly, with +150% IIQ, you get (presumably) +150% Identity Scrolls, but logarithmically fewer of rarer currencies based on their rarity.
@@Zithorius From the 0.9.9 patch notes: "Diminishing returns now applies to the rate that Increased Item Rarity affects magic, rare and unique items (it affects the less common ones more). Increased Item Quantity stats now also have diminishing returns."
It's sad how GGG turned this game into the state it is currently in, with the only proper way to juice maps being strong boxes, and everything else is a waste of time. Well you can do expeditions, but that's not really map juicing.
The only downside to not this strategy but all MF strategies in current state of POE is that only the 1% of people could do this , not all normal and casual people has builds , items and currency to be able to smoothly run such maps and mods lo .
Quantity means nothing. I ran over 1000 temples last league, min 125% starting Quant before altars and 90% pack size or above, delirious 2, beyond compasses, etc... not a single apothecary
@hotdog I said minimum, and on the map itself. I of course had plenty of additional % due to my atlas tree, used path as well, only ran corrupted maxed maps, pre deli orbed. Sold the rest, for cost of the orb if it biffed.
just bad rng really. ran MF crimson prison last league and the apoth drop varied from 2 in 30 maps to zero in 600, with 8 mod corrupt wandering, deli, beyond setup. usually 80-100 maps runs with winged scarabs. Still made hundreds of divines and always had a stack of apoth for sells or gambas
@@chrispierce1454 haha not bad super power at all! this league been doing cemetery mostly and havnt got anything really good except 2 div alters in 2 maps. with apoth is really rng tbh. once you hit your 1st or 2nd card you are pretty much set to re-invest to roll more maps/ buy more scarabs/sextants
Player IIQ is multiplicative to map/strongbox quantity, so they're still very important. The strongbox sextant 500% quant is additive with the map quant, which is then multiplied by gear quant (~1.35x more for 50% player quant). SnooBae did a test last league to verify EDIT: Multiplicative to the quant of the monsters inside the box, not the rewards from the box itself
@@TableForRambo This is right. I have not dropped 5 apoth and one raw mageblood in 4 days of hardcore farming. I know this is lucky but funnily the people who farm like this with MF characters are never poor.
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Hopefully this leads to more Apothecaries.
Lov u
Do you also run the quantity nodes on the atlas tree?
Youll need some to make up for bow chancing 😊
id love to see a highlight video of your group play session. thx for the great content
best belt i believe is string of servitude with max rolls 15% quant and 90% rarity. but they are very very rare to find.
My first apothecary in ssf is also from mob, but I get in trade you can spam 500% strongbox so no point of doing something else if you have x5 loot on strongboxes (or 6)
In duos this league we have gotten 8 Apothecaries in 392 maps. Only one was from strongbox, so the quant definitely works. 121% quant on windripper iceshot deadeye
solo farmed 14 apothecaries in 600 maps with 98% quantity
@@MrRaqal damn that's awesome. I think we've been relatively unlucky. Last league our average was 1 in 30 maps. We've had dry streaks with absolutely no cards (including enlightened) of 20-30 maps multiple times. It's been very strange
I have found 6 apoth now and one pure mageblood in 4 days playing solo MF TS. Few hundred maps.
@@kennaee nice! Last league we also had a pure mage blood drop as well. Congrats on the loot
I mean i realised theres some kind of weird roof for party play, the amount of loot with 5 additional people is waaaaay better than having 3 additiinal people, like the value jumps greatly, when i run with randoms with full parties on crimson temple, the guy just drops an apothecary every 5 maps or smthin
I think there is diminishing returns on party bonus.
So a 6 man will drop more loot than a 3 man.
But two 3 mans will drop more loot than one 6 man.
Something like that, although two 3 mans will need to pay for double the map cost than a single 6 man.
keep in mind - more people - split your money with more people
Thanks for the stats on diminishing return. Confirm what everyone sort of knew. Just a small sacrifice like maybe 2 ventors and goldwyrm gives the most return without losing too much damage/defenses. People always see it as a all or nothing proposition where you must sacrifice everything to have MF on all slots. But using greed embrace for example may reduce your loot because you lose so much equipping that thing. Same for sadima where you basically are using a white pair of gloves with a corrupt implicit.
One thing that would be cool is if GGG would consider adding new MF items. All we are using now are the same items as 5+ years ago, nothing ever changed. They know all the IIQ items are popular, they just don't wanna add more options. They wouldn't need to be overly strong, just gives more options than sadimas.
I farm solo Crimson 80% deli with 50% IQ on gear (without enraged sextant), near 10 maps/h. Div cards pretty consistent. For now get 2 Apo. But i able to farm scarabs for the baseline profit, play solo, clear juice deli maps fast and smooth. So i guess 50-70 IQ on strong build is best range to not sacrifice a lot of power/qol/mapping speed. Cause killing 1M mobs 10 time faster is better than kill em super slow with high quant.
didnt a recent patch remove the "discard freeze if freeze is less then 300ms"?
Other than freeze
I like the visual clarity of the skill.
вхвахввах агроморф звезда 👍👍👍
I've tried MF two leagues before. Had insane gear HH and multiple mirrors worth of gear. I only play solo. I know statistically MF is better for more loot. However my anecdotal evidence says the opposite. I've made more money without MF and had way more fun with more survivability and damage.
Is this graph about IIQ and IIR related only for player items with IIQ and IIR or does it work the same with map IIQ and IIR. For example boots with 20% IIQ + map with 80% IIQ is the same as no IIQ on gear + map with 100% IIQ?
Great video!
Бля агроморф знаменитость оказывается
пробился пацан к звездам
they seemed very surprised over a 50div drop when their combined group is wearing 40mirrors lol
Would you be able to make a build like this for solo in the next league?
Hi, do MF items affect Elder Guardians boss & inv: the twisted ?
Apothecary dropped after 62 maps with strongbox sextants, wearing only 20 Quantity.
Should I consider myself lucky ?
Great video as always)
i have question about build itself - what about budget version, will it work without party/without hh? i mean obviously i dont expect it to run 100% deli, but will it fill decent without party and hh on regular maps mf?
Simple answer is, no.
People misunderstand the way in which IIQ diminishes. It diminishes with currency rarity, the same way IIR diminishes with item rarity. With +1000% IIR, you get +1000% magic items, but logarithmically fewer rare items and more pronounced logarithmically fewer unique items. Similarly, with +150% IIQ, you get (presumably) +150% Identity Scrolls, but logarithmically fewer of rarer currencies based on their rarity.
I can believe it but how do you know this?
@@Zithorius he is cris wilson
'identity scrolls'
@@Zithorius From the 0.9.9 patch notes:
"Diminishing returns now applies to the rate that Increased Item Rarity affects magic, rare and unique items (it affects the less common ones more).
Increased Item Quantity stats now also have diminishing returns."
@@jackcristo1628 Ah, I'd have never found that lmao thank you
String of servitude with quant is 15%
you could get string of servitude with 15 quant
headhunter is infinitely better
wait you have the sound on with the reactions peeposhake
It's sad how GGG turned this game into the state it is currently in, with the only proper way to juice maps being strong boxes, and everything else is a waste of time. Well you can do expeditions, but that's not really map juicing.
Is this build can solo?
hows this build for just solo mf or just solo farming maps?
best optimal IIR IIQ ? like 60% IIQ and min 200 IIR?
100 400
im at this rn
The only downside to not this strategy but all MF strategies in current state of POE is that only the 1% of people could do this , not all normal and casual people has builds , items and currency to be able to smoothly run such maps and mods lo .
You don't need good gear for this you just need a 3 man team a aura bot a curse bot and mf damage dealer
If the league mechanic wasn’t trash I would be running a whole hell of lot more maps an hour. Instead I’m on Apex
Ah, well, there's more insta divines to pay back ya 150 div gamba baby.......emoji streamer antic's is real boiz
1.4kk mobs with no apothecary )
same i have quant also
stop alch and go and start use some juice
Quantity means nothing. I ran over 1000 temples last league, min 125% starting Quant before altars and 90% pack size or above, delirious 2, beyond compasses, etc... not a single apothecary
125 is not a lot I had 250-300 solo with wandering path I can't even imagine with the extra party bonus
@hotdog I said minimum, and on the map itself. I of course had plenty of additional % due to my atlas tree, used path as well, only ran corrupted maxed maps, pre deli orbed. Sold the rest, for cost of the orb if it biffed.
just bad rng really. ran MF crimson prison last league and the apoth drop varied from 2 in 30 maps to zero in 600, with 8 mod corrupt wandering, deli, beyond setup. usually 80-100 maps runs with winged scarabs. Still made hundreds of divines and always had a stack of apoth for sells or gambas
@Josh Pearce I'm jealous lol! My only super power in this game remains 6'Ls. I usually get then within 400 fusings
@@chrispierce1454 haha not bad super power at all! this league been doing cemetery mostly and havnt got anything really good except 2 div alters in 2 maps. with apoth is really rng tbh. once you hit your 1st or 2nd card you are pretty much set to re-invest to roll more maps/ buy more scarabs/sextants
Rarity and quantity are dead sadly, strongboxes give you like 99% of the drops
this. boxes slap
Player IIQ is multiplicative to map/strongbox quantity, so they're still very important. The strongbox sextant 500% quant is additive with the map quant, which is then multiplied by gear quant (~1.35x more for 50% player quant). SnooBae did a test last league to verify
EDIT: Multiplicative to the quant of the monsters inside the box, not the rewards from the box itself
@@TableForRambo player iiq has no affect on strongboxes right? Map quant and party quant affect the number of items dropped by boxes.
@@TooFarJohn its not the actual strongbox loot that drops the cards, but its the monsters that spawn from the box that do
@@TableForRambo This is right. I have not dropped 5 apoth and one raw mageblood in 4 days of hardcore farming. I know this is lucky but funnily the people who farm like this with MF characters are never poor.
1st ez so fast cant catch me
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