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Why Do People LOVE Tornado Shot?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2023
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Small correction: additional proj doesn't affect secondary projectiles. It just gives you additional primary proj which then always "explode" into 3 (or 4 with helm enchant) secondary proj. It's still one of the best single scalars for TS.
do you happen to have a 5-10 div version of the build? (or 20-30) no mageblood /omni mirror stuff
@@flipnshifty its not that bad
@@ncc1709Omni is generally kinda core/bare minimum for TS if not most bow builds (that aren’t dex stacking or other, equivalently expensive archetypes)
I’m not saying subtractem can’t make a 5-10 div budget version, the guys a flippin genius, but also… it’s possible that this isn’t really an “on a budget” build if you want it to be bearable to play
Hope you get a chance to get outta the city while in NZ. Regardless, let me extend to you the most hearty of welcomes to our humble isles *8 )
@@ncc1709 i wouldnt recommend.. go lightning arrow in that case.
Yes please, do a series on "why is this skill so popular?"
@@flipnshiftystill waiting on a meta conversion trap build
@@flipnshifty I mean my eDPS Tornado Shot fucks all content & did up to.. Wave 25-26 Simulacrum without like practically any investment except for Bow Lol And I don't even have a Rampage + Tornado Bow. I also don't even have a HH, I do have a Inspired Learning but das it. Got about like 7-10mil dps with a 1.3k eDPS bow. Also got 10 arrows without a +2 arrow bow or a +1 arrow Quiver. So 1 arrow fires 3 additional proj. With helm enchant it gives 4 instead of 3. So you get 40 additional secondary projectiles which those can shotgun & is why Tornado Shot typically remains as one of the best/THEE best bow skill
I also have nearly 200 Proj speed on mine. Oh! And mine isn't an Omni variant either
@@flipnshifty It does because THIS is peak Tornado Shot. This is the end goal for EVERYONE that plays Tornado Shot. Cause most people will go from Lightning Arrow, MF with it to farm the currency to either buy Phys to Cold convert TS or this kind of Omni TS. Then you have people like me, who're minimalist who love even just the eDPS version of TS. No one is going to show the process if getting a TS build up & running. We alrrady have plenty of those kinds of videos with Grimro primarily & Fuzzy Duckzy
Imagine he makes an int stacker or a 5way carry. I bet that would be fun but then again int stacker isnt as Popular as TS
I have just one word to describe this video: MAJESTIC
😂😂 the tornado shot Master himself😂❤
I really hope that you make this into a series. It's a really good video that breaks down the concepts of the build in a very digestible manner.
I haven't really seen these types of PoE videos on UA-cam, and haven't really found another platform that does this, yet. It's really interesting to learn stuff like this, even after having played for a lot of hours.
Farmed my first mirror from scratch this league to mirror Sushi's 0 cost bow on a TS magic finder that eventually got so juicy it could do all Uber bosses with good dodging. In love with this skill!
that "ugh" at 0:46 connected to my brain.
Also, tornado shot ftw.
also
yes
Would love to see a full Phys to Cold TS Build Guide. Most Guides show Elemental LA and then kinda drop you to figure upgrades out yourself. Would be really interested to see a crafting guide for Phys TS items. Great video as always!
/watch?v=ThfkTk_AjZc
I've followed this guide and had amazing time this league. I'm missing mirror tier bow, quiver and rings but still was skipping phases on uber bosses.
@@Takeboshi123how much did your build cost?
@@Takeboshi123 thanks my guy would cut off some thing since my budget is kinda low but thanks tho
Ultimately, at the very high end, I think bows are kind of just cracked for PvE because at some point, damage stops mattering entirely (crazy high delve depths notwithstanding, which is its own meta that's basically defined by manabond hierophant and boneshatter juggs, if I'm not mistaken), so once the damage stops mattering, then coverage is the name of the game, and tornado shot, as you demonstrated, has obscene coverage. I'm not sure how that compares to Lightning Arrow, though.
Also, FWIW, the "cast tornado on tshot" crucible tree thing can be replicated with CoC tornado in a manaforged setup. I.E. frenzy-manaforged-PCoC-CoC-Tornado-culling strike, but the coc/tornado does take up two links which could be used for a curse setup, blind, hydrosphere, etc.
LA has even better clear, especially due to Vengeant Cascade but does require some aiming and has slightly less damage from the lack of shotgunning effect. The 50% convert to lightning makes it subpar at abusing hatred aura effect.
@@reality657I don’t see how you can say LA has better clear. Just as good, maybe.
I’m nitpicking but yeah :)
you are wrong about getting additional secondary projectiles from +proj modifiers. TS explicitly stated, and you can check the poewiki, that modifiers to projectile count only apply to the initial primary arrow. while overall yes you get more secondary proj in virtue of having more primary projectiles, each primary projectile still only shoots out 3 secondary projectiles.
this is why the +1 (+2 in standard) secondary projectile helmet enchantment is so good, it helps increase the consistency of the skill on single targets by making it less likely the secondary projectiles will whiff and all miss the enemy (it goes from a larger radial angle between secondary projectiles to a smaller angle as they are shot out equidistant from one another).
it's also why bigger enemies tend to take significantly more damage from TS on average, because if aimed correctly it's physically impossible for all secondary projectiles from a given primary projectile to miss, especially with the helmet enchant.
Sorry yeah that was just a misspeak as I was talking about it, had just come off a conversation with a friend about barrage and +proj and fumbled my words. I'll pin a comment with the correction!
@@subtractem no worries, just didn't want new players to get confused over TS's mechanics and expect it to be obscenely good at low investment.
barrage scaling off additional projectiles is another thing entirely, it's kind of wild how it doesnt lose aps per projectile compared to the support gem.
If you only show us, noobs how to start this journey from 20-30 Div only - I'm in. Plus: I'm super happy to see PoE stuff back on your channel!
he did say watch Fuzzy, he has low budget build there
Don’t know about for this league cuz I haven’t had time to play due to work but last league fuzzyduckzy had a guide starting at 10 div I used it to farm all the way up to 100 ish divines investment into the build with 50 or so spare that I was saving for a hh that ended up never happening
a friend leaguestarted as tornado shot, it's actually fairly good.
This build also benefits from Belton's 241 mirror journey of suffering.
yeah if you have the 200 div fee to pay for it...
@@Pelanoras damn that cheap? NICE
@@Pelanoras extremely cheap for a mirror weapon nvm 5t1 perfect implicit
@@watermelon58only 25hrs grinding time for the average player, or $20 bucks if you decide to RMT. 1 month later you can enjoy your bow in standard where nobody gives a shit.
I think this series would be vastly improved by showing various expectations of this build. E.g. "this is what the build will look like at the end of the campaign", "this is what it should look like in white maps, yellow maps, red maps" "here's the chase build" etc. People watching this video are likely not going to see one mirror let alone several, so seeing this will just forever make the viewer dissatisfied by their own build. Just a thought
I do that for builds that Im explaining or going out of my way to recommend. This is just me exploring a very well known build, not even explaining all the mechanics or how to make it.
Man, thank you very much for your work and content. You explained the tornado shot in great detail, maybe I will make it the main build in the 3.22 league. Thanks again, you are the best! ♥♥♥
Once you experience Tornado Shot...
To think that havy strike is a skill gem as well... There are worlds in between them.
I never have the patience to reach this level of powerhouse, but i do love see these content!!
The only thing I need to mention here is that bow skills do have the one downside that you cannot afk. If you're not shooting, you're not dealing damage which means looting while clearing the map can be a little annoying. Also you usually die if you stop shooting. The stutter step Playstyle is also something you have to get used to a little. Just my 2 cents, I love TS, I just think the caveats should be mentioned
Deaths oath + bows is still my fav build because of that even if ts smashes the dps by a lot
With that much damage, you can comfortably change a support gem from TS with Mirage Archer. That helps with the dying part when you stop shooting.
And that's why I play HoT
I have always loved TS and it was rough that it was so bad for YEARS. Glad to play it again.
And all it takes is a JeNebu synth mirrored bow hitting for 1000+ average damage with +2 arrows fracture. You know, something over 99% of all bow players will never have.
This bow was very specifically not from tft.
he got a point, a show of the power of this skill with 10mir gear is unrealistic. Explaning the mechanics was nice but the power comes from the gear. You can swap in iceshot and everything dies no matter the skillgem@@subtractem
Meanwhile Cobra Lash cries in the corner.
Yes, please do a video on the skill best known as "Jesus Take the Wheel".
how do you possibly find a synthesised ring with those stats? lol
so tornado shot can be like this but gladiator is gladiator still
checks out
If you make this a series you should do KB next. TS, KB and Worb are the top 3 skills of all time until they gutted Worb.
Now I feel like playing Tornado Shot next league. I was going to play it this league, started as LA AB, but didn't change the build because vengeant cascade was really fun.
You couldn’t kill Massier around 9:00 because he spawns only after you get closer to him (pass through that „gate” probably), not when you enter the arena.
This video feels like those "motivational" investment UA-cam shorts with some dude talking about how he made 20 million dollars out of a "small" investment of 1 million dollars. I want to try this build, but I don't have 5 mirrors lying around to build it lmao.
You can do it!
@@subtractem How?
min-maxer's budget secret: you can get 11 additional primary arrows from sniper's mark :)
Big part of popularity those bulds is RMT, not forget about that
just lol
Every time I watch a video showcasing PoE's amazing builds I wonder why anyone even bothers to play the Diablo franchise. Especially when this game is Free.
The catch is, paying for the tabs and you will need them. And every new league start it seems you need to buy a map tab to use for that league... GGG is smart hooking people to microtransactions.
Those build showcase videos are awesome! Would be nice if you did a melee, phys damage or slam focused one!!
but they are not popular? except boneshatter
ewwww melee
@@jordywillaert-rt9qt it was my first season, ok... I didn't know better haha
couldn't agree more!
tornado shot is one of most valuable skill ever!
Would it be possible to see the DPS differences of the tornado shot lab enchants? I could swear the flat 40% damage increase is the most dps? Is this the case?
The additional projectile enchant allows additional arrows to hit a single enemy, dramatically increasing your DPS. It is always the correct option.
The +1 can be up to 33% more damage by virtue of having a 33% more chance of hitting with each primary projectile, while the 40% increased damage is just that - a flat 40% increase (which is probably just like 5% more damage)
I think we could all use a TS Guide!
Another reason it's so popular is because it has no price limit or price ceiling. You can invest in it all league and still not be at max power.
Good video Mr. Streamer would enjoy more stuff like this
came to check out bow builds because of the returning projectiles support announced
Watching this video with 17c in my stash "I should make a Tornado Shot character"
Like me and storm brand. The skill just has such a good foundation. Not that much is needed to make it work.
Literally this Video explains best why I love to play this skill to farm up a mirror item and swap to an even better build that I have more fun on
I am become death, bow-er of worlds
flicker strike best skill
will be very happy when that video drops
You are using the single best TS bow in existence, though. So if it wasn't godly, it would be disappointing, hehe.
But you are on point, TS is the best with the right gears.
Yes! Would love to see this as a series
One of the few volume of fire abilities that clears stupidly well and can functionally become a mega shotgun with snipers mark and VC, you don't even need a major investment to get it to work well... it's also not melee, the thing GGG seems to hate.
If i had a Bow like that i'd play TS aswell xD
god bow for sure absolutely insane stats
you should do a series like this, love this kinda content.
JUST IN TIME! im in the mf side of ts for a long time and wanted to change in smthng like that immidiatle!
I just gotta say, i am really impressed by your content this league! Videos like this is everything to me right now. This was the first league ive farmed myself a Mageblood and its just as amazing as I dreamed it to be. I wanna get even better to obtain one even faster next league. It only took me like a month and a half. 😂 Preplanning is key though. That way your not worrying about rolling your maps / invitations and you can just blast. (Where the fun is)
i played this build in sanctum league a lot, it was lots of fun and i always succeeded in sanctums thanks to how much offscreen damage it dealt.
Haven't had that "1 resolve run" thing drop even though I racked up 38 challenges in that league so i settled for other hard mode sanctums and still nailed them every time.
Stuff like SIM30 was out of reach though, the build is too squishy and SIM's bumrush you with monsters. I did SIM30 deathless with RF Juggernaut. Kosis with a fire resist mod was painful though, if that shit spawned on wave 29 or 30 i just rerolled and opened another SIM.
"omi started the bro revolution" bro tornado shot was the meta end game skill since since 1.2 when it came with untainted paradise its only just got easier to league start but its always been the SSS+ end game build. Even more so when you consider how slow builds were back then xD The only thing that ever came close to mirror tier mapping + bossing would be lightning arrow when it shotguned off ice wall.
So cool seeing the very pinnacle of power in this game
Flicker Strike fan here! Please do one with Flicker Strike. :D More than half the leagues I've played, I've been playing Flicker Strike for the majority of the league.
Wow what a bow & ring you have there!
i don't know if new support is a hint that they will change returning arrow from annoitment or not but if it is lighting arrow will be less exciting to play . maybe ill try tornado instead.
guys it only cost like 2-5 mirrors to play it to XD
i would say almost any decent build can do this with that much currency,but this might be more fun.
It's simple, it trivialises content and makes people feel good about themselves.
My friend is in love with you So i'm subbing for the cause!
And yet they felt the need to nerf chaos dot skills
Hold up, you can have multiple smaller clusters with both streamlined and repeater?? I thought it wouldn't add more after getting the first cluster?
Hey, amazing video and in depth explanation about the build! Thanks you! I have opened the PoB and on the helm there appears to be a 6 link, can someone explain to me how is this done, I don't understand how is this possible for this helmet specifically?
its a great skill, considering how great im sad they gutted vaal spark and vaal fireball. those were the dayyys
Dumb question but your POB has 6 spells in your helmet. which are you supposed to actually use?
You should make it a series
Hi..iam new to poe and have started to build my tornado shot ranger..but my problem for my tornado shot is, max i can get only 7 secondary projectile even with all passives tat give extra projectiles(no ascendancy yet)..can anyone tell me how i can increase the number of my secondary projectile?
Really wish I could ever get a build that deletes bosses that fast
No you don't. Makes the game boring af when you're THAT powerful after about 20 minutes. It's only fun to use to earn currency fast enough to start making alts builds viable.
I remember tornado shot was op/popular since delve league (i was playing and starting to understands builds then)
the problem with this build is beyond.... beyond monsters will ruin your day...
Does Focal Point ascendancy increase number of arrow splitting as significantly increase mark effect?
It does yes
Hey noob question here how do i get to that golden place at the begining of the video? 😁
Hi hi I have a question i built a deaeye tornado shot and i got Occupying Force and Endless Munitions on the avs3ntion tree , for my next two notables whoch ones do u think i must get ? Im thinking of far shot and focal point , but idk if those added damage numbers really give me that pernetage or damage or lower in actual dps .
It's the closest thing to UE Multishot from D3.
Never tried it before, might give it a shot in the next league. Haven't played a league since the mirror lake.
Hi I’m new to the game. How come your tornados are bigger and have a purplish aura? Same with another content creator using Caustic Arrow.
Also, how do you get additional arrows? I’m a Dualist so no Archer ascendant skills.
What is the cost of getting this build to the point it can map farm? ran a RF league starter and want to try a few different mapping builds in practice for next league (thinking spark, EK or this)
Would be cool to see reviews of any skill gem why they aren't popular or why they suck etc.
is there a link to the build ?? I would love to try and do this...
Elemental tornado shot is so fun, with omni (personally dont like MF so any build with mf is out of my thoughts, since i tried snoobae poison tornado shot, and lightning arrow mf with HH, it feels so awful). If in a league my first character is ranger, 100% when i have enough currency i would go for omni tornado shot, it just feels too good, dont need aiming like lightning arrow/ice shot, although kinda squishy but hey, if you delete them first they cant delete you.
can someone explain to me why the helmet in his PoB 6linked? or why is it have 6 gems in skills tabs
omni-"science" chief
www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=google+pronounce+omniscient
@@subtractem certainly holds true for omniscient. But not omniscience
Stop trolling dude www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=omniscience+pronunciation
"You can go through a whole map and never see a monster"
*opens a Strand*
jk man I love Strand.
Poor strand. I love it but so few monsters.
Good job, now we can expect huge nerf again as no fun is allowed.
I have some issues with this video - Don't get me wrong, love your content and love to see you playing such a high end build.
Ensnaring arrow won't be active on any boss. You have sniper's mark and that prevents it from activating the ensnared debuff (20% increased damage taken on enemy)
You got the mechanics wrong on secondary projectiles. They are only scaled by the enchant. At some point you said something like 15 x 15 arrows per shot
EDIT: The above line's been corrected. Should've refreshed before posting my comment :P
You mention that medium clusters are the best way to scale damage, but that's not actually true at all - they just give a good game feel through a lot of bonus projectile speed.
For examples of things that scale better, the elemental mastery 'Hits have 25% chance to treat Enemy Monster Elemental Resistance values as inverted' is 12.4% more dps, and you're 4 points from that. Each medium cluster takes 4 points (The 3 points of value + the socket that you're spending). The 4 points including the pathing to it is 15.2% dps, or around there. Where a medium cluster jewel setup is only something like 10% more dps.
If you had optimized large clusters they're usually better per point value than mediums. 4% attack speed + 16% increased damage + 10 omni is really strong, and you can get life there too :D
Would love to see you go a bit deeper into the mechanics and grow your understanding. I really like when people explore fully optimized builds and explain them in layman's terms.
That split personality setup is inventive, and it's cool to see someone building out a tornado shot build without the massive thread of hope stuff. Thanks for sharing :)
TS is love, TS is life
This is my first league and im running rf inquis, now I want to play this lol
Can someone tell me how I get Denoted service of 7737 dekhara in the akhara of Asenath
Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh
Historic ? Last one is 7741 in PoE trade. It's my first time with Timeless Jewel.
How do ppl not think melee is absolute garbage in this game when you look at tornado shot in this video.
Would love to see you play SST build, both versions are great. Even scuffed version does 142 mill damage with just shield and ashes
Maby league start/budget of hmmmm 10 div version?
Is this 100% Phys to cold? If so, how is that achieved ?
so does this work with nemis? like could that be better then whatever op ring u got?
...because you don't get to play what's on screen, you have to play the edge of the screen because they are targeting you from two screens away?
That's not how the game works no.
Nothing even comes close in terms of offscreen clear??? what about KB?
Hi I am a newbie in POE, can I try that on fresh build?
Gonna do that build
Yes please! Make more videos like these!
Every MTX LOOKS COOL
i've loved a lot of bow skills but never T swift...i never make enough money in a league to spend it to make it feel as good as other bow skills, especially the newly buffed ones. such a gorgeous sink of a build to try, and i think it's a pretty iconic PoE skill cuz it lends itself to absurd scaling in multiple ways. good vid but next time just put a pic of that bow for 16 mins jfc crucible will be missed
Yeah I'm more of a fan of Snape. The instant explosion of damage is great.
@TheModdedwarfare3 agreed. So great in fact, that Snape even killed Dumbledore.
I don't think that GMP increases the number of secondary projectiles!
Sorry yeah that was just a misspeak as I was talking about it, had just come off a conversation with a friend about barrage and +proj and fumbled my words. I'll pin a comment with the correction!