In The Quran Muhammad says that the Bible predates the Quran and is the inerrant word of God and should be trusted. So when you ask Muslims why they don't follow the Bible, they say that the Bible is corrupted. Then ask the Muslim if Muhammed can be corrupted and they say he can't be corrupted. If Mohammed can't be corrupted, then it means the Quran is true, if the Quran is true, then the Bible is true, but if the Bible is true since ot predates the Quran, the Quran HAS to be false.
@@alfadlboss You're right he's not Christian, since he can't follow himself, he's God. Saying Jesus is Muslim is the most absurd and silly thing I've heard, well, one of them. The Quran points to the Bible as being the truth In Surah 3:3---"It is He Who sent down to thee, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion." And also in Surah 10:94-95----"If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord" And it also says to listen to ALL of the revelations of allah, Surah 16:43----"And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers." So you kinda just dig yourself into a whole here and end up like my friend's original comment. Praise Jesus Christ Loser! ❤
I don’t think Muslims understand that the creator of the heavens and earth can do anything he pleases he’s literally God. They love to limit God to his creation by saying if he limits his power and becomes flesh he’s no longer God, if he become flesh as the son he can’t be the father, if he knows peoples hearts but tells his disciples that he doesn’t know the hour the son will return again he can’t possibly be all knowing.
When you lack holy spirit then you can't see the scripture from a broaden perspective. Because everything you said shows why he's God. He literally is the ultimate glitch(rule changer and defies all odds) in the sacrifice and birth of Jesus alone. But again- No Holy Spirit- No true Innerstanding.
As a Christian man I am glad this young woman is opinionated and I am very glad she is asking questions. Good on her. I sincerely hope her questioning mind leads her away from the absurdity of Islam and into the fold of Christ. In Islam women are devalued, in Christianity they are given great prominence (which they should have). In Islam Muslims are taught not to think for themselves, in Christianity people are taught to ask, knock, and seek.
7:37 she says God orders us not to commit adultery but her god (of the Quran) allows a man to have 4 wives? Islam is all about rules…..Jesus is the only way
The argument that this girl is making: "that if God partially limits his powers to allow us a free will, God is no longer all power." But what she doesn't realize is that power being limited is not a permanent change, nor does it negate God's power. Not exercising certain powers doesn't make you not powerful. It makes you compassionate.
What you don’t get is that once you change your nature even for a second you are not that thing anymore you are something else, I mean even gods limit his attributes for a second he is not god for that second, for example; god is all knowing if he becomes not all knowing for one second he is no longer is god for that one second because something is taking place without his knowledge and that means he is no longer in control of things for that one second, if you think one second is short, try to think what’s taking place now all around the universe in every giving second, that’s why limit and god would never be associated
@@mt2ran except God isn't changing his nature. He's temporarily limiting his own power, to allow us to make free will choices. It's the same way parents limit their own power to allow their children to make free will choices. God isn't changing anything, he's just dialing back his power.
Yeah, it's like the power to jump. Just because we have the power to jump doesn't mean we must jump all the time to show that we have the power to jump.😂
@@mt2ran Quran make them like a fool they believe everything what is in the Quran even if it it's written go a kill someone they will still believe that the right thing to do that the problem with Islam
Having free will doesn’t mean you can choose to do anything and everything without bounds, it means you are free to choose from options that you are presented. If I want to move forward and backward, i can choose to step in either direction, but I can not simply fly up just because I will it so. I think that clarifying this could’ve brought the argument to a closer conclusion for the young lady to understand God’s purpose for allowing us to choose to love him and choose to pursue a relationship with him, not being mindless praising androids who mindlessly follow him. If ai want a friend, I want a friend who loves me by their own decision, not because I brainwashed them to appreciate me. The lady presented some sound reasoning in some areas but the fundamental issue was the difference between free will and free ability. (Physical vs metaphysical)
Not true. Free will is your ability to do as you choose. God doesn’t force people into his presence until you die. If the Lord directs us, then no free will. I love my Lord.
@@juddgranger7457free will doesn't mean free from consequences and just because god directs you doesn't mean free will Don't exist because people allow god to direct them in life but at the end of the day those who were for him will join him in heaven while those weren't will suffer for eternity
What this young girl should ponder is that her own "prophet" said "women are deficient of mind" and form the majority of hell dwellers. She should also ponder the question "Can Allah enter his creation"?
The problem here is she doesn’t have the same understanding of what it means for God to will something for his creation. Just because we’re able to do something doesn’t mean that it’s his will for us to do it.
He chose to "limit his power "with us not meaning he Has Limited power. He has the power if he chooses to control us, but he doesn't want that. He wants us to have free will.
I only watched half of this, so maybe I missed something. But if all things happen because of God's will, and not because we of our own free will might do things contrary to God's nature, she must think God is bipolar. And what kind of argument is "we don't have free will because we can't just decide to fly?" And if she thinks its God's will that children be trafficked and raped, what kind of God does she worship?
It sounds to me that she thinks physical will and spiritual will are the same. And it sounds like she's saying that limitations are an argument against free will. Just because I can't fly, doesn't mean I don't have the free will to attempt to fly. I will fail every single time, but I'm still making a free will choice to go against the physical limitations of my own body.
I was like "Wow, she doesn't understand free will" then I was like "Wow, she doesn't know what love is?" Then she goes on to saying that God makes people commit moral sin. My jaw dropped whatever her book is teaching her, blinds her from reality
If she orders a steak off a menu at the restaurant, she can't turn around and complain that the chef forced her to eat a steak because she could not order a volcano.
If I order a steak at a restaurant and the church serves me up a dinner menu, I can and should complain, as they have confused the symbol with the real.
@@DavidChristopherCasey Or if a bully claims Asylum in a country that’s not under Islamic control . Would a Muslim complain when criticising religion is not a criminal offence , then get violent ?
I remember a movie, it was about the leper king. The disagreements between religions focused in on a Muslim dialogue. They wanted to go to war and said, if we win, it is Allah's will, if we lose it is Allah's will. They never discussed if actually going to war was good or bad, morally. So I wonder if that's what she's trying to point out. 🤔
There is no morality. We are apes. Community benevolence benefits the species so some members avoid conflict, others do as they please and are caged. We don't look at chimps who do "bad" things as immoral. Chimps can't build cages but they have their own way of dealing with individual problem makers. Both species continue. Any societal species does this. Bees and ants a good examples.
Seen 2 videos with this Muslim woman and she always try to get you to believe what she believes, “Can we agree to that?” She also puts words in Cliffs mouth as to what she thinks he said.
I just realized that this girl is making his point. She doesn't even realize it but rather debate about it. If she sat down and thought out why she thought the way she thought, her questions. It comes down to his point in his statement.
Many Muslims have a culture where if someone is just passionate about their belief it counts toward how true it is. In Islam there is also something called “Taqiyya” which is abused to allow them to be “righteously dishonest” in debates. These two things make it annoying debating Islam, they usually act similar to her. Very interesting though.
Why is she trying to say no to him before he even gives an answer? I mean she just started to say no to his response and he barely had 1 word out. It’s like she’s trying to stop him from speaking or something… 🤔 because it’s kind of hard to disagree BEFORE you’ve even heard what they are saying.
I'm not sure how she got any of his conversation of free will confused. It's straight to the point that he limited his ability to give us free will. Not once did he say his limited abilities gave us all abnormal abilities.
From what I gather from her answers, as a muslim she believes that God does not love. That God is all powerful being and his objective is to have us as obedient and without free will to decide our every action and everything has been destined.
God chose to give us free will which doesn't limit His power since it's His choice. There are limits, you cannot become a tree, or feel nothing when you sin for example. If you didn't have a choice then there would be no Devine justice. There will be.
Did Cliff say the world is millions year old? The bible says all creation was created in 6 days (rested on the 7th) and also that one day for God is like a thousand years for humans. Before i came to Christ this sounded foolish. After i came to Christ He opened my eyes and heart for truth in the living Word of the living God.. where it states as mentioned above. Also a lot of evidence for "young" earth theory. Does anybody know if this is Cliff his actual believe? Or did he use it as a mere example? I ask this because i was surprised to hear Cliff mention this like he did. Praise be God for the work Cliff does for the kingdom of YAH and our glorious King Jesus.
She’s taking “free will” completely out context it loses its meaning. I’m surprised she didn’t ask why then if we had free will we could be god ourselves.
God created the sandbox, then gave the will for us to chose how to do with that sandbox. Physical ability has nothing to do with mental will, the ability to chose. Man wasn’t made with wings, but we chose to fly, and planes were made.
I think what she said at the end was the crux of the disagreement. Hate and will are not opposite attributes. Because Christians are attached to the idea of love and that god is love, that distorts their view of anything bad or evil happening in the world. Which is why they run into such a problem of evil and are forced to attribute limitations in God’s attributes.
I wouldn't say my view as a Christian that God is love distorts anything. I'm well aware of the bad and evil happening in the world, I just have an answer for it. Christians who run into problems are in my experience those who are not very theological or biblically literate.
@@dawaronline the Bible makes it clear that the suffering of a child is due to man's sinfulness, God also commands humans in the Bible to care for those is such positions. There's usually not no reason a child is suffering, likewise the reason is due to what humans have caused to occur as a result of greed, corruption, sexual immorality, violence, the list goes on... Even if God alleviated child suffering in an instant, that still would not deal with the inherent sinfulness of mankind, who in their rejection of God would in a while revert back to the way things were before his intervention. Which is why God in the Bible promises a new heaven, and new earth and that no one who has caused children harm will escape judgement. Whereas the Bible makes it clear it is not God's will that humans suffer unnecessarily, the Qur'an however makes it clear all things are willed by Allah, even evil. That question you just asked is one of the reasons I'm not a Muslim, because I would have to conclude as per the Qur'an that the child's suffering is intentionally willed to occur. In the Bible things like Child suffering are a result of a Godless society that has given itself over to sin. The only solution is a change of nature, such that only the Bible teaches comes through Jesus Christ by way of the Holy Spirit.
You have free will to think you are Spider-Man. That doesn’t mean you can Do whatever a spider can or Spin a web any size or Catch thieves just like flies. There are physical limitations. But your will to think is free indeed.
Free will is exactly that, it's your freedom to choose how you live your life. God respects it, so much so that he will allow you to do something he desires you dont do to not negate youre free will. Any parent can tell you their will is not that their children draw on the walls, hit their siblings, run into the road etc. They can also tell you that the stricter you get, the more likely their kids are to be sneaky. So it's a balance. God has a will that we would follow him, however just like children we think we know better and just like with parents will actively rebel because we want to do something they've said not to do. Even Jesus, though he is the way, the truth and the life, God has willed that in such a way it's completely your choice to believe in him or not. Just like a good parent, he's made the ramifications clear, but will not force you into a relationship with him.
The brother is right! When a Muslim hits another Muslim in the face, is it Allah's will: Muslim (2612) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of fights his brother, let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in His image.” Ibn Abi ‘Aasim narrated in al-Sunnah (517) that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not say ‘May Allaah deform your face’ [a form of cursing in Arabic], for the son of Adam was created in the image of the Most Merciful.”
As a Christian, I am comfortable saying that the Bible reveals it to not be a simple binary, but a both-and. I actually agreed with most of what she said. Romans 8:30. God is sovereign (and purposes evil to point to His glorious justice) but we have personal responsibility.
as far as God limiting Himself, if some choose to tap someone or to punch someone as hard as they can, is a choice to limit oneself. it doesn't mean you dont have the power to hit someone as hard as you could instead of taping them.
This young lady is in deep heresy saying God wills us to do evil. Does the devil not exist in the Quran? I will pray she find’s Jesus and comes to Him asap!
Her argument is engaging but I will love Christians to argue starting from the great corruption and the creation of the earth.., and the dominion God gave to man to actively participate on earth... You can’t check some facts without checking the initial ... also even though we argue with logic, we don’t subject God to logic
What you need to keep in mind whilst watching this video . Is that the Muslim Girl lives her life by a book which instructs her to kill all none Muslims .
God will not force himself on you. He CAN, but HE WON'T. God is a gentleman. He is exercising extreme power by NOT foring us to serve him. Sorry chicka, you are wrong.
This girl is confused and lost. I dont understand her limited understanding especially since christians and muslims worship the same God and muslims revere Jesus as well.
She did not understand that free will limits the God's will in every person. That is the reason why God gave laws to follow him other wise there will be no laws to follow God because be no free will but will of God.
Is she really Muslim! The more she talks it's more Backlash on Muslims and their God. God created humans with freewill, but God knows what is going to happen and what you are going to do, but he limits his love and anger for you and live your life in freewill but when you pray to God to make you live by his will he intervenes in your life to help you to make his work and let you be the example of God loving person as a witness 😮😢😢
This girl is saying God wills evil. Wow that Quran is evil to teach people that God is evil. Humans are evil not God. What we do we can't put blame on God and say he willed me to do it. This girl is absolutely confused it's sad.
Funny how 1 caravan thief made ppl belive he was a messenger of God. He was abused by and angel yet claimed it was Gods messenger. He was the only prophet that did not spoke with God did no miracles and saidthe earth is flat, women have sperm, a half brain and are the biggest sinners. Yet poor ppl belived it and now die becouse of it. If a religion has capital punishmet to keep ppl in faith it did not came from god.
This guys logic is all wrong, he says god does not will murder or bad things, the question is not he wills it or not but he creates everything bad or good, we use our free will to do good or bad and god creates what ever we decided to do, that’s why he will hold us responsible from our actions,also if god doesn’t will murder like he said ( I don’t know where he got his idea) doesn’t say in the bible that his order Moses to go to that town and kill every living things even animals and the infants and take little girls as slaves, look it up it’s in the bible
Interesting talk. Muslims do not believe in free will. Instead, as Allah is all-powerful, Allah is the cause of everything. Allah wills what I will and I act on it. Ultimately Allah is responsible for everything. Quran.9:51 "By no means can anything befall us but what God has destined for us"
Is this really the best today's college students can do? The bible is full of inconsistencies; it's not hard to win these debates intellectually. This is hard to watch.
We have free will within the limits of our human body. Otherwise we would be as powerful as God. I do not believe that anything can be as powerful as God, as all came from Him and thus has to be less than God. Since God is the beginning and the end and nothing is outside of God, then everything is limited within the confines of God. We are restricted for good reason. We are sinners and we must prove ourselves to God, that we may be deemed worthy of existing in Heaven. God does not choose for evil to exist. It comes about through free will. Those who decide to sin against God are those who bring evil into the world. I hope that helps people understand God's nature a bit. Godspeed!
WOW!! The Problem Atheists have is they Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it God is simply the Existence of Love. Everybody Believes Love exists Simple But infinite in expression and Power in our Life For atheists to deflect from that reality is both Unfortunate. And Shameful
these philosophical debates won't get anyone anywhere its Greek philosophy mixed with bad science and won't bring this girl to the foot of the cross she needs Gods words they pierce not man logic let's stop trying to be smart and stop being biblical his word will pierce,this space for apologetics and science and logic but it all stems from the bible and Gods words that cut deep
I wouldn't argue with a muslem. Trying to explain to them about the Will of God it's just like trying to reason with a ATM machin to give you more money... attributes of alah and they bust in with arabic like they know something... it would be like me saying mass in Greek or Latin after every comment I make about Christ
Where is this going? She's confusing? What she want we'd be created be like God because God will us to be limited and it contradicts free well? We are not created to be God the well of that God gives us the way to choose what road we choices as humans not as God. Of course we are limited and we are not God, the will that God gives us to choose him or not. She's even have the right to choose and believe what ever she want. Simple Gods want us to follow him through Christ but he gave us the free will to decide for ourselves and if we don't choose him despite of his love and sacrifice that he gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ and still not to choose HIM then your going to hell. Your free to choice but you'll deal with the consequences it doesn't matter what you understand or not that's deal with Christianity that is how are ways, People trying to explain what God's knows or how limited is God, if any human being could ever define or even put God into his own perspective then that God he is defining is not God for my true God is Beyond our understanding and our capacity to be ever define, the simples explanation of God is through the teaching of CHRIST and the prophets and saints he sent for us.
Well I am so surprised that you are completely wrong about the scientific evidence of the creation of Earth being 5 billion plus years ago. I'm so disappointed and I thought you were an Bible beliving pastor.
In The Quran Muhammad says that the Bible predates the Quran and is the inerrant word of God and should be trusted. So when you ask Muslims why they don't follow the Bible, they say that the Bible is corrupted. Then ask the Muslim if Muhammed can be corrupted and they say he can't be corrupted. If Mohammed can't be corrupted, then it means the Quran is true, if the Quran is true, then the Bible is true, but if the Bible is true since ot predates the Quran, the Quran HAS to be false.
Where it say in the quran the bible is true? It says that the Engeel was revealed to Essa "Jesus"
Believe it or not jesus is a muslim not a Christian.
@@alfadlboss You're right he's not Christian, since he can't follow himself, he's God.
Saying Jesus is Muslim is the most absurd and silly thing I've heard, well, one of them.
The Quran points to the Bible as being the truth In Surah 3:3---"It is He Who sent down to thee, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion."
And also in Surah 10:94-95----"If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord"
And it also says to listen to ALL of the revelations of allah, Surah 16:43----"And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers."
So you kinda just dig yourself into a whole here and end up like my friend's original comment. Praise Jesus Christ Loser! ❤
@@alfadlboss Jesus was a jew dude. He used to go to synagogue. He used to do pessachim. Does muslims do these things?
If the quran is true then the bible is false, you have a false premise in there.
@@kennymichael542No he wasn't lol. He went into synagogues to tell everyone that they were wrong. Then the ✡️ killed Jesus.
She took one philosophy class and thought she knew everything. 😅
How does that make you feel?
I don’t think Muslims understand that the creator of the heavens and earth can do anything he pleases he’s literally God. They love to limit God to his creation by saying if he limits his power and becomes flesh he’s no longer God, if he become flesh as the son he can’t be the father, if he knows peoples hearts but tells his disciples that he doesn’t know the hour the son will return again he can’t possibly be all knowing.
When you lack holy spirit then you can't see the scripture from a broaden perspective. Because everything you said shows why he's God. He literally is the ultimate glitch(rule changer and defies all odds) in the sacrifice and birth of Jesus alone. But again- No Holy Spirit- No true Innerstanding.
I dont think christians understand logic and attribute aspects to God without proof. Far is He exalted above what you associated with Him
She doesn't understand what free will
She understands something called THE DIVINE DECREE (QADR). THE DIVINE DECREE KNOWLEDGE is waaaay beyond philosophical theories ..
This girl annoys me so much
As a Christian man I am glad this young woman is opinionated and I am very glad she is asking questions. Good on her. I sincerely hope her questioning mind leads her away from the absurdity of Islam and into the fold of Christ. In Islam women are devalued, in Christianity they are given great prominence (which they should have). In Islam Muslims are taught not to think for themselves, in Christianity people are taught to ask, knock, and seek.
She doesn't understand her own belief system mind. 🤣🤣🤣 She doesn't know what FREE WILL IS 😅😅😅
my friend oswin doesn't even know what free will is, but he believes in it.. i think it's because he is a wild buck banuh
She doesn’t even know what she’s asking 🤣
Yes, She just wants to somehow win the Argument and not seek the Truth
Amen 🙏 brother
*Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. -Plato
Muslims believe God can do anything except be 3 persons in 1. That explodes their mind 🤯
7:37 she says God orders us not to commit adultery but her god (of the Quran) allows a man to have 4 wives? Islam is all about rules…..Jesus is the only way
The argument that this girl is making: "that if God partially limits his powers to allow us a free will, God is no longer all power."
But what she doesn't realize is that power being limited is not a permanent change, nor does it negate God's power. Not exercising certain powers doesn't make you not powerful. It makes you compassionate.
i love this.. it resonates with me on a deep understanding level.
What you don’t get is that once you change your nature even for a second you are not that thing anymore you are something else, I mean even gods limit his attributes for a second he is not god for that second, for example; god is all knowing if he becomes not all knowing for one second he is no longer is god for that one second because something is taking place without his knowledge and that means he is no longer in control of things for that one second, if you think one second is short, try to think what’s taking place now all around the universe in every giving second, that’s why limit and god would never be associated
@@mt2ran except God isn't changing his nature. He's temporarily limiting his own power, to allow us to make free will choices. It's the same way parents limit their own power to allow their children to make free will choices.
God isn't changing anything, he's just dialing back his power.
Yeah, it's like the power to jump. Just because we have the power to jump doesn't mean we must jump all the time to show that we have the power to jump.😂
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Quran make them like a fool they believe everything what is in the Quran even if it it's written go a kill someone they will still believe that the right thing to do that the problem with Islam
Imagine following a religion that says child marriage is good and then trying to argue with Christianity and say that Christian beliefs are wrong.
Having free will doesn’t mean you can choose to do anything and everything without bounds, it means you are free to choose from options that you are presented. If I want to move forward and backward, i can choose to step in either direction, but I can not simply fly up just because I will it so. I think that clarifying this could’ve brought the argument to a closer conclusion for the young lady to understand God’s purpose for allowing us to choose to love him and choose to pursue a relationship with him, not being mindless praising androids who mindlessly follow him. If ai want a friend, I want a friend who loves me by their own decision, not because I brainwashed them to appreciate me. The lady presented some sound reasoning in some areas but the fundamental issue was the difference between free will and free ability. (Physical vs metaphysical)
This is an excellent response. I will be saving it.
Not true. Free will is your ability to do as you choose. God doesn’t force people into his presence until you die. If the Lord directs us, then no free will. I love my Lord.
@@juddgranger7457free will doesn't mean free from consequences and just because god directs you doesn't mean free will Don't exist because people allow god to direct them in life but at the end of the day those who were for him will join him in heaven while those weren't will suffer for eternity
What this young girl should ponder is that her own "prophet" said "women are deficient of mind" and form the majority of hell dwellers.
She should also ponder the question "Can Allah enter his creation"?
The problem here is she doesn’t have the same understanding of what it means for God to will something for his creation. Just because we’re able to do something doesn’t mean that it’s his will for us to do it.
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He chose to "limit his power "with us not meaning he Has Limited power. He has the power if he chooses to control us, but he doesn't want that. He wants us to have free will.
This is why “free will” is not a Biblical defense of the faith.
Girl's trying to play 4D chess but it came out 2D
Lol
Does she even understand what is she saying 😂😂
Isn't she unintentionally proving his point??? It must have been very difficult for the professors to explain her a simple topic.
I only watched half of this, so maybe I missed something. But if all things happen because of God's will, and not because we of our own free will might do things contrary to God's nature, she must think God is bipolar. And what kind of argument is "we don't have free will because we can't just decide to fly?" And if she thinks its God's will that children be trafficked and raped, what kind of God does she worship?
It sounds to me that she thinks physical will and spiritual will are the same. And it sounds like she's saying that limitations are an argument against free will. Just because I can't fly, doesn't mean I don't have the free will to attempt to fly. I will fail every single time, but I'm still making a free will choice to go against the physical limitations of my own body.
Very good discussion, thanks.
It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts!!
GOD doesn't limit HIS power . HE simply allows some things and others HE doesn't.
She just doesn’t want to hear it. Sometimes I wonder with people like that..
Muslim girl nailed it. Respect to her!
I was like "Wow, she doesn't understand free will"
then I was like "Wow, she doesn't know what love is?"
Then she goes on to saying that God makes people commit moral sin. My jaw dropped
whatever her book is teaching her, blinds her from reality
If she talked back in a "peaceful" muslim country they wouldve beat her & more.
Some people,like this young lady, just like to argue. It doesn’t matter what the subject is.
If she orders a steak off a menu at the restaurant, she can't turn around and complain that the chef forced her to eat a steak because she could not order a volcano.
That’s called the Islamic shuffle
If I order a steak at a restaurant and the church serves me up a dinner menu, I can and should complain, as they have confused the symbol with the real.
@@DavidChristopherCasey Or if a bully claims Asylum in a country that’s not under Islamic control . Would a Muslim complain when criticising religion is not a criminal offence , then get violent ?
I remember a movie, it was about the leper king. The disagreements between religions focused in on a Muslim dialogue. They wanted to go to war and said, if we win, it is Allah's will, if we lose it is Allah's will. They never discussed if actually going to war was good or bad, morally. So I wonder if that's what she's trying to point out. 🤔
There is no morality. We are apes. Community benevolence benefits the species so some members avoid conflict, others do as they please and are caged. We don't look at chimps who do "bad" things as immoral. Chimps can't build cages but they have their own way of dealing with individual problem makers. Both species continue. Any societal species does this. Bees and ants a good examples.
The Islamic shuffle is funny to listen to .
This is what happens when you believe in a God that is the best of deceiver.
This would have been so simple if the girl understood the difference in God’s permissive will and ordained will.
She just wants to argue. As with Eve, typical woman.
I need full videos please
Seen 2 videos with this Muslim woman and she always try to get you to believe what she believes, “Can we agree to that?” She also puts words in Cliffs mouth as to what she thinks he said.
She doesn't know what free will is it's sad to watch
I just realized that this girl is making his point. She doesn't even realize it but rather debate about it. If she sat down and thought out why she thought the way she thought, her questions. It comes down to his point in his statement.
Many Muslims have a culture where if someone is just passionate about their belief it counts toward how true it is. In Islam there is also something called “Taqiyya” which is abused to allow them to be “righteously dishonest” in debates. These two things make it annoying debating Islam, they usually act similar to her. Very interesting though.
Cliffe: Adult Abuse a Little Child ....
My Brain that very second: Mohammad 😂😂
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Ahaha i cant insult as i follow god.....but I'm allowed to laugh ur great same name in my head at that moment also hahaha thank u for the smiles
What is ao hard to grasp about free will I do not understand about people
Why is she trying to say no to him before he even gives an answer? I mean she just started to say no to his response and he barely had 1 word out.
It’s like she’s trying to stop him from speaking or something… 🤔 because it’s kind of hard to disagree BEFORE you’ve even heard what they are saying.
It is interesting to note that Cliffe doesn't believe in a young universe of several thousand years as genesis suggested.
The irony is that girl clearly has no understanding of her own religion.
It was so strange seeing Robinson daughter crying and looking almost exactly like her mom.
I'm not sure how she got any of his conversation of free will confused. It's straight to the point that he limited his ability to give us free will. Not once did he say his limited abilities gave us all abnormal abilities.
From what I gather from her answers, as a muslim she believes that God does not love. That God is all powerful being and his objective is to have us as obedient and without free will to decide our every action and everything has been destined.
@@domatthew1666well dang that sounds odd ngl. I mean no disrepect to her religion
She's using her free will to follow a deceptive, false religion.... then she chooses to try and deceive others.
God chose to give us free will which doesn't limit His power since it's His choice.
There are limits, you cannot become a tree, or feel nothing when you sin for example.
If you didn't have a choice then there would be no Devine justice. There will be.
Denying free will makes God the author of evil
Did Cliff say the world is millions year old? The bible says all creation was created in 6 days (rested on the 7th) and also that one day for God is like a thousand years for humans. Before i came to Christ this sounded foolish. After i came to Christ He opened my eyes and heart for truth in the living Word of the living God.. where it states as mentioned above. Also a lot of evidence for "young" earth theory.
Does anybody know if this is Cliff his actual believe? Or did he use it as a mere example?
I ask this because i was surprised to hear Cliff mention this like he did.
Praise be God for the work Cliff does for the kingdom of YAH and our glorious King Jesus.
She’s taking “free will” completely out context it loses its meaning. I’m surprised she didn’t ask why then if we had free will we could be god ourselves.
God created the sandbox, then gave the will for us to chose how to do with that sandbox.
Physical ability has nothing to do with mental will, the ability to chose. Man wasn’t made with wings, but we chose to fly, and planes were made.
She will argue to no end. Stubborn stubborn stubborn.
Wow this guy is hard work 😂 And where does all his proselytising get anyone. Nowhere 😂
I think what she said at the end was the crux of the disagreement. Hate and will are not opposite attributes. Because Christians are attached to the idea of love and that god is love, that distorts their view of anything bad or evil happening in the world. Which is why they run into such a problem of evil and are forced to attribute limitations in God’s attributes.
I wouldn't say my view as a Christian that God is love distorts anything. I'm well aware of the bad and evil happening in the world, I just have an answer for it.
Christians who run into problems are in my experience those who are not very theological or biblically literate.
okay what does your bible say about a poor child suffering for no reason?@@ExodusPrime-x5h
@@dawaronline the Bible makes it clear that the suffering of a child is due to man's sinfulness, God also commands humans in the Bible to care for those is such positions.
There's usually not no reason a child is suffering, likewise the reason is due to what humans have caused to occur as a result of greed, corruption, sexual immorality, violence, the list goes on...
Even if God alleviated child suffering in an instant, that still would not deal with the inherent sinfulness of mankind, who in their rejection of God would in a while revert back to the way things were before his intervention. Which is why God in the Bible promises a new heaven, and new earth and that no one who has caused children harm will escape judgement.
Whereas the Bible makes it clear it is not God's will that humans suffer unnecessarily, the Qur'an however makes it clear all things are willed by Allah, even evil. That question you just asked is one of the reasons I'm not a Muslim, because I would have to conclude as per the Qur'an that the child's suffering is intentionally willed to occur.
In the Bible things like Child suffering are a result of a Godless society that has given itself over to sin. The only solution is a change of nature, such that only the Bible teaches comes through Jesus Christ by way of the Holy Spirit.
You have free will to think you are Spider-Man. That doesn’t mean you can Do whatever a spider can or
Spin a web any size or
Catch thieves just like flies. There are physical limitations. But your will to think is free indeed.
Free will is exactly that, it's your freedom to choose how you live your life. God respects it, so much so that he will allow you to do something he desires you dont do to not negate youre free will.
Any parent can tell you their will is not that their children draw on the walls, hit their siblings, run into the road etc. They can also tell you that the stricter you get, the more likely their kids are to be sneaky. So it's a balance.
God has a will that we would follow him, however just like children we think we know better and just like with parents will actively rebel because we want to do something they've said not to do.
Even Jesus, though he is the way, the truth and the life, God has willed that in such a way it's completely your choice to believe in him or not. Just like a good parent, he's made the ramifications clear, but will not force you into a relationship with him.
The brother is right! When a Muslim hits another Muslim in the face, is it Allah's will:
Muslim (2612) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of fights his brother, let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in His image.”
Ibn Abi ‘Aasim narrated in al-Sunnah (517) that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not say ‘May Allaah deform your face’ [a form of cursing in Arabic], for the son of Adam was created in the image of the Most Merciful.”
ALL POWERFUL would mean that God could CHOOSE to limit his own power in certain situations He wishes to do so.
she is just stumbling here and there, and just want to prove herself right.
As a Christian, I am comfortable saying that the Bible reveals it to not be a simple binary, but a both-and. I actually agreed with most of what she said. Romans 8:30. God is sovereign (and purposes evil to point to His glorious justice) but we have personal responsibility.
Ephesians 2 we're enslaved to sin, so even if we have free will, we deny God every time.
muslima girl talking about free will,it is so funny when Muslim women are so pressed worldwide...
Free will that God gives us is on actions not physical being
as far as God limiting Himself, if some choose to tap someone or to punch someone as hard as they can, is a choice to limit oneself. it doesn't mean you dont have the power to hit someone as hard as you could instead of taping them.
This young lady is in deep heresy saying God wills us to do evil. Does the devil not exist in the Quran? I will pray she find’s Jesus and comes to Him asap!
The worst part is she thinks she’s correc
Her argument is engaging but I will love Christians to argue starting from the great corruption and the creation of the earth.., and the dominion God gave to man to actively participate on earth...
You can’t check some facts without checking the initial ... also even though we argue with logic, we don’t subject God to logic
How could she not be confused, she believes a lie. I pray that since then she has or will trust the Lord Jesus.
What you need to keep in mind whilst watching this video . Is that the Muslim Girl lives her life by a book which instructs her to kill all none Muslims .
God will not force himself on you. He CAN, but HE WON'T. God is a gentleman. He is exercising extreme power by NOT foring us to serve him. Sorry chicka, you are wrong.
This girl is confused and lost. I dont understand her limited understanding especially since christians and muslims worship the same God and muslims revere Jesus as well.
Very tough to speak with the nonsensical
I wonder women who cover themselves up dress up for fashion?
I like the wash she reasons. This are good questions.
She did not understand that free will limits the God's will in every person.
That is the reason why God gave laws to follow him other wise there will be no laws to follow God because be no free will but will of God.
2:52 literally not listening she tryna twist cliffe’s words
She didnt even realize shes also arguing her own religion as well lol
Is she really Muslim! The more she talks it's more Backlash on Muslims and their God.
God created humans with freewill, but God knows what is going to happen and what you are going to do, but he limits his love and anger for you and live your life in freewill but when you pray to God to make you live by his will he intervenes in your life to help you to make his work and let you be the example of God loving person as a witness 😮😢😢
This girl is saying God wills evil. Wow that Quran is evil to teach people that God is evil. Humans are evil not God. What we do we can't put blame on God and say he willed me to do it. This girl is absolutely confused it's sad.
GOD GAVE FREE WILL FOR A REASON HAVEING MAN TO BE MADE TO LOVE HIM IS NOT TRUE LOVE HE MUST COME OF HIS OWN FREE WILL
Funny how 1 caravan thief made ppl belive he was a messenger of God. He was abused by and angel yet claimed it was Gods messenger. He was the only prophet that did not spoke with God did no miracles and saidthe earth is flat, women have sperm, a half brain and are the biggest sinners. Yet poor ppl belived it and now die becouse of it. If a religion has capital punishmet to keep ppl in faith it did not came from god.
This guys logic is all wrong, he says god does not will murder or bad things, the question is not he wills it or not but he creates everything bad or good, we use our free will to do good or bad and god creates what ever we decided to do, that’s why he will hold us responsible from our actions,also if god doesn’t will murder like he said ( I don’t know where he got his idea) doesn’t say in the bible that his order Moses to go to that town and kill every living things even animals and the infants and take little girls as slaves, look it up it’s in the bible
You do realize moses was before the the great flood right? Free will didn't become a thing until aftwr the great flood
Interesting talk. Muslims do not believe in free will. Instead, as Allah is all-powerful, Allah is the cause of everything. Allah wills what I will and I act on it. Ultimately Allah is responsible for everything. Quran.9:51 "By no means can anything befall us but what God has destined for us"
Whoaaaaa this woman logic is screwed
Is this really the best today's college students can do? The bible is full of inconsistencies; it's not hard to win these debates intellectually. This is hard to watch.
We have free will within the limits of our human body. Otherwise we would be as powerful as God.
I do not believe that anything can be as powerful as God, as all came from Him and thus has to be less than God.
Since God is the beginning and the end and nothing is outside of God, then everything is limited within the confines of God.
We are restricted for good reason. We are sinners and we must prove ourselves to God, that we may be deemed worthy of existing in Heaven.
God does not choose for evil to exist. It comes about through free will. Those who decide to sin against God are those who bring evil into the world.
I hope that helps people understand God's nature a bit.
Godspeed!
And she wrong in things. And he was right in one thing or two if I remember correctly.
5:40 earth is billion years old really…?
WOW!! The Problem Atheists have is they Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it
God is simply the Existence of Love.
Everybody Believes Love exists
Simple
But infinite in expression and Power in our Life
For atheists to deflect from that reality is both Unfortunate.
And Shameful
these philosophical debates won't get anyone anywhere its Greek philosophy mixed with bad science and won't bring this girl to the foot of the cross she needs Gods words they pierce not man logic let's stop trying to be smart and stop being biblical his word will pierce,this space for apologetics and science and logic but it all stems from the bible and Gods words that cut deep
Having half brain and go to college is ambitious, let me tell you girls 😂 You have BIG faith 😂
I wouldn't argue with a muslem. Trying to explain to them about the Will of God it's just like trying to reason with a ATM machin to give you more money... attributes of alah and they bust in with arabic like they know something... it would be like me saying mass in Greek or Latin after every comment I make about Christ
Stubborn christian, unlogic reason. Give the explanation back and forth. Confusion
Just stop. He obviously is stupid. And she is right. Just listened to her all the way. Be honest.
Where is this going? She's confusing? What she want we'd be created be like God because God will us to be limited and it contradicts free well? We are not created to be God the well of that God gives us the way to choose what road we choices as humans not as God. Of course we are limited and we are not God, the will that God gives us to choose him or not. She's even have the right to choose and believe what ever she want. Simple Gods want us to follow him through Christ but he gave us the free will to decide for ourselves and if we don't choose him despite of his love and sacrifice that he gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ and still not to choose HIM then your going to hell. Your free to choice but you'll deal with the consequences it doesn't matter what you understand or not that's deal with Christianity that is how are ways, People trying to explain what God's knows or how limited is God, if any human being could ever define or even put God into his own perspective then that God he is defining is not God for my true God is Beyond our understanding and our capacity to be ever define, the simples explanation of God is through the teaching of CHRIST and the prophets and saints he sent for us.
In the Wuran Allah veils his glory so all of created isnt destroyed. He limits himself according to the Quran
unfortunately,she has a close minded mentality. a robot without free will by her own freewill
Well I am so surprised that you are completely wrong about the scientific evidence of the creation of Earth being 5 billion plus years ago. I'm so disappointed and I thought you were an Bible beliving pastor.
philosophy is the enemy of religion
Man like Prophet Isha PBUM whom many called Jesus has human qualitis and limitations. Jesus ate food, used toilet, what not. Jesus can never be God.